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One Nation under God, indivisible …'?
World Net Daily ^ | 10/22/2008 | Joseph Farrah

Posted on 10/22/2008 9:25:20 AM PDT by Jack Black

I've lived through some turbulent years of American history, but I have never seen our country more polarized, more divided, more ripe for – dare I say it? – breakup, dissolution, a secessionist movement. I admit I'm unafraid of radical ideas – if those radical ideas are just, righteous, moral and godly. I believe it's time for radical ideas – just as it was time in 1776. Frankly, I don't see a way to unite a people as divided as Americans are today. We are trying to pretend we're one nation when we are really two. One of those two nations clings to the promises and covenants of the past, the Bible, the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, as the guiding principles. The other believes in and lives with no immutable standards. It's not a Republican vs. Democrat split – as the current election illustrates. I know many Republicans would find themselves more comfortable in the country of no standards. I also suspect many Democrats would actually find themselves more at home in the nation of the Bible, Declaration and Constitution. Isn't it time for separation? Is the breakup of the union really such a difficult thing to consider?

Isn't it time for separation? Is the breakup of the union really such a difficult thing to consider? When there are no new lands to discover, what choice do we have?

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There's only one way to recapture the greatness of America. That is to start over – with only those willing to play by the rules. Let those who don't believe in rules have their own country to destroy.

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KEYWORDS: cwii; fruitcakesamitch; redstates; secession
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This is one of the few explicit calls for division of the country I've read. I would not call Farrah exactly mainstream, but he certainly is a cut above the average blogger in terms of visibility.
1 posted on 10/22/2008 9:25:21 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black

I’ll drink to that. Dr. Walter Williams suggested that in 2000, a peaceful split. The alternative is something out of Thomas Chittum’s “Civil War II” or something you you read on John Titor.


2 posted on 10/22/2008 9:28:26 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Is Barak HUSSEIN Obama an Anti-Christ? - B.O. Stinks! (Robert Riddle))
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To: Jack Black

The divisions that can not be bridged are moral. No more than you can expect or should expect the devil to accept Christ as his Lord and Saviour.


3 posted on 10/22/2008 9:30:14 AM PDT by mkcc30 (One word three letters R-E-V-O-L-U-T-I-O-N ! Thanks Joe the Senator.)
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To: Jack Black

He sure makes a lot of sense.

Barring God actually changing the other sides minds and hearts, there will be no reconciling our set of beliefs and theirs.

And finding a set of laws that fairly governs two such disparate groups of people is impossible.


4 posted on 10/22/2008 9:30:36 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: Jack Black

No longer! We’re completely divided and I doubt we’ll ever be able to put it back together. We’re headed for some kind of seperation...which will be ok with me.


5 posted on 10/22/2008 9:31:02 AM PDT by pgkdan ("White folks greed runs a world in need," Jeremiah Wright as quoted by Barack Obama)
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To: Jack Black

There will not be a division of the country there will be something much worse than a polite split when the reset button is pushed on America. The left been hammering that button God help them if they succeed because we will not go silently into the night.


6 posted on 10/22/2008 9:31:08 AM PDT by Maelstorm (This country was not founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a government check!")
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To: Jack Black

“We are trying to pretend we’re one nation when we are really two.”

Truer words were never spoken. The great omission in our Constitution is that it does not describe a way that states can expel other states from the Union. Had MA been dumped long ago, it may have served as a warning to others that adopting Socialism is anti-American.


7 posted on 10/22/2008 9:31:12 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Jack Black

Operation: Texodus.

A mass migration of conservatives to Texas, replace Rick Perry with Ted Nugent and secede.

I’m serious. Hang together or hang separately. The U.S. is turning a corner into a really ugly place.


8 posted on 10/22/2008 9:33:27 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (democratic socialism is totalitarian communism lying in wait.)
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To: Jack Black

“If all else fails, I will retreat up the valley of Virginia, plant my flag on the Blue Ridge, rally around the Scotch-Irish of that region, and make my last stand for liberty amongst a people who will never submit to British tyranny whilst there is a man left to draw a trigger.”

George Washington, at Valley Forge.

The names of changed but the threat to our freedom is just as real today. I would say more so.


9 posted on 10/22/2008 9:34:25 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Eaker; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; ApesForEvolution; archy; backhoe; Badray; t_skoz; Becki; Jack Black; ...
CWII ping. Secession might actually be a way to AVOID a CWII scenario. We just agree to go our seperate ways.

I really don't want to be united with New York, for instance. The land of Schumer, Clinton, Wall Street bandits, the evil Federal Reserve Bank, Goldman-Sachs and JP Morgan and their band of thieves like Paulson, Ruben and Corizine. The NY Media elites with their endless liberal spin - Olberman, etc.

Anyway, we might need a new flag for the Red States. How about an old one:


10 posted on 10/22/2008 9:34:28 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black

I think we do need to practice triage where there are some areas that cannot be saved, other areas solidly with us, and some in between that with some work, can be saved. The areas that cannot be saved are the hard core Blue areas, let the libs have those, we take the rest and go about our ways. Then if and when they blow themselves up, we will have to go in and fix things. In that case, we need to be like Ben Raines in “Out of Ashes” and set up ground rules for admission back in the union.


11 posted on 10/22/2008 9:35:22 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Is Barak HUSSEIN Obama an Anti-Christ? - B.O. Stinks! (Robert Riddle))
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To: Jack Black

I truly believe secession (hopefully peaceful) would be better than being under a BHO regime.


12 posted on 10/22/2008 9:36:09 AM PDT by kaylar
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

I’m in for Operation Texadus! Except I don’t have to move.


13 posted on 10/22/2008 9:36:57 AM PDT by ataDude
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To: Nowhere Man

With the bomb plots and thugary from the left, the civil war is already here. But like the WOT, every community is treating it as mere vandalism and not a national conspiracy to intimidate Republican voters.


14 posted on 10/22/2008 9:38:19 AM PDT by weegee (In honor of Joe the Plumber, at noon, we should all lower our trousers to half mast.)
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To: Jack Black

I have no problem with “breakup, dissolution, a secessionist movement.” Obama and Biden are telegraphing what they will do. I took Biden’s cryptic ramblings the other day as a signal to Americans that they will hasten “change” to a full-fledged socialist system. Powell didn’t use the word “transformational” for nothing.


15 posted on 10/22/2008 9:38:26 AM PDT by macamadamia (Life is a continuation of war by other means.)
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To: Jack Black

Had the Supreme Court gone 5-4 the other way in the Heller decision, a true secessionist movement might already be underway.


16 posted on 10/22/2008 9:39:33 AM PDT by Flycatcher (Strong copy for a strong America)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Texas has more people than it needs right now, thank you very much.


17 posted on 10/22/2008 9:40:27 AM PDT by yetidog
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To: Jack Black

I’ve thought for years that this is not one or two countries, but as many as five. The splits are ideological, cultural, religious, economic and geographic. I first came to this realization at the time of the Oklahoma City bombing. While I was aghast at the barbarism of the bombing, I didn’t immediately feel it was an “American” bombing - I’d never been to Oklahoma City, don’t know anybody from Oklahoma City and know very little about the city or state. It may as well have been in France, for as much as it registered beyond the human impact.

And I don’t say that with any disrespect intended at all to that part of the country or its residents. I suspect that if a major catastrophe happened in Baltimore tomorrow, there are a fair amount of people in the U.S. who wouldn’t even know where Baltimore *is* and wouldn’t have the same feelings as somebody living in the mid-Atlantic would.

While I know that it’s completely unrealistic, I think the U.S. should be divided into five geographically separate countries - northeast, southeast, midwest, south and west. I think that everybody would feel much more comfortable and it would help ease some of the tensions we all feel. I don’t think these entities would for a minute have to be enemies - I’d certainly encourage free trade, free travel between the entities, etc., but have a capital in each of the five in order for people to feel better represented and closer to their government than they currently do.


18 posted on 10/22/2008 9:40:53 AM PDT by ravensandricks (Jesus rides beside me. He never buys any smokes.)
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To: Jack Black

This is what is so laughable about Obama sayng he can bring us together. After the last eight year of liberal behavior and the nasty things they say they think somehow that everything will be ok after Nov 4th? I don’t think so! They have caused this divide and they have a fantasty about fixing it while they throw insults about racists, rednecks, and rubes? I say wall the big cities in and let them survive on their own


19 posted on 10/22/2008 9:44:27 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: kaylar

Give the east coast and the West coast to liberals and un-family, un-traditional group of people.

Rest is the America we can live in in peace!


20 posted on 10/22/2008 9:44:28 AM PDT by indianyogi
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To: yetidog

I wasn’t asking permission.


21 posted on 10/22/2008 9:44:34 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (democratic socialism is totalitarian communism lying in wait.)
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To: Jack Black

How about this flag? http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/u/us-gonz.gif


22 posted on 10/22/2008 9:46:44 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation dedicated to stopping the Obamination from becoming President)
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To: Jack Black

The thought has crossed my mind many times. The civil war is coming, hopefully I will be gone by then[I’m 46].

For fun, what would you call the new country? Workersland?

I have no concept of taking what I did not work for. I must be from another country, no, another planet!!

Thanks


23 posted on 10/22/2008 9:47:49 AM PDT by Uversabound (Our Military past and present: Our Highest example of Brotherhood of Man & Doing God's Will)
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To: Jack Black

While my head might nod in agreement, my heart is heavy at the thought. I’m a southerner, born and raised...the South is still recovering from the Civil War, and old hurts don’t die they just fester deeper under the skin. And, the patriot in me despairs that the flag my ancestors and I have defended in uniform would be so split again in a similar fashion. No, I say fight on, fight on, fight on. Never surrender, never give up. My children deserve better from me than for me to give up! We must stay true to our constitution and demand that our representatives do the same. We must continue to work at this republic that we love and cherish. I will NOT hand it over to these scoundrels! All of the USA is worth fighting for!


24 posted on 10/22/2008 9:48:59 AM PDT by sassy steel magnolia (USAF life and Navy wife...God Bless the USA!)
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To: indianyogi
Give the east coast and the West coast to liberals and un-family, un-traditional group of people.

And, since we have the guns, we will eventually take it back. I'll be behind enemy lines in occupied New Jersey, an aging sleeper agent!

25 posted on 10/22/2008 9:49:39 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Jack Black

Its going to happen sooner or later. Bank on it! The only real question is ballot box or ammo box.


26 posted on 10/22/2008 9:51:16 AM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: sassy steel magnolia

Secession is fighting for the country. It’s undoing the damage one state at a time.

When the communist takeover is complete, there will be nobody left to fight. We’ll be crushed.


27 posted on 10/22/2008 9:51:59 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (democratic socialism is totalitarian communism lying in wait.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
Operation: Texodus.

Good plan. I already escaped from the PRNJ and came to Texas, FA (Free America - for those not familiar with "Red Dawn"). I do have family that will likely be refugees in the event of a split, and we Jews already have experience picking up everything and moving from a land of slavery and worship of the ruler to a free land.

28 posted on 10/22/2008 9:52:15 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation dedicated to stopping the Obamination from becoming President)
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To: Jack Black
COWARDS! Sure. Abandon me in California behind enemy lines. COWARDS!

What part of “Protect and Defend the Constitution of the USA against all enemies foreign and domestic” do you cowards not understand?

29 posted on 10/22/2008 9:52:36 AM PDT by allmendream (White Dog Democrat: A Democrat who will not vote for 0bama because he's black.)
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To: Nowhere Man
Dr. Walter Williams suggested that in 2000, a peaceful split.

We'll need better border controls to keep out the infiltrators.

30 posted on 10/22/2008 9:52:51 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Uversabound
For fun, what would you call the new country? Workersland?

Free America

31 posted on 10/22/2008 9:56:27 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (... against all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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To: Jack Black

The democrats would change that line to “One world community, under Obama, religion invisible to all”.


32 posted on 10/22/2008 9:56:34 AM PDT by dforest (Is there any good idea out there that Obama doesn't lay claim to anymore?)
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To: yetidog
Texas has more people than it needs right now, thank you very much.

Kick out all the illegals, and voila! Room for freedom fighters.

33 posted on 10/22/2008 9:57:14 AM PDT by OB1kNOb ("I guarantee you itÂ’s (a testing of America) gonna happen." - "Plugs" Biden regarding Obama)
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To: yetidog
"Texas has more people than it needs right now, thank you very much."

You're right. We need to expel all the illegals to make room for more conservative Americans. ;-)

34 posted on 10/22/2008 9:57:25 AM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: allmendream

We’re useless to you in re-education camps.

Pack up and head for Texas. We’ll work on talking California back in good time.


36 posted on 10/22/2008 9:59:09 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (democratic socialism is totalitarian communism lying in wait.)
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To: Nowhere Man; Travis McGee

I’ve read 2 1/2 of the “Out of the Ashes” series. The Tri States do not survive, although I gather they are reconstituted later on.

The books were written in the mid-1980’s. I do fear we are at that point, again. However, if not for nuclear war, disease and the decision of most of the military to not chose sides, there would have been no way for Raines and his people to amass all the gold/silver/stones to back their currency or to salvage all the tools and weapons needed to set up a functioning economy.

I am drawn to this sort of novel just to see how the authors manage the logistics. The liberals would rather see the tools rot in Detroit than let one conservative have anything. An extraction/ag economy in the Inter-Mountain West still needs shipping and the unions and Blue states control the ports. Water is scarce in parts of the West. The one underpopulated country I am aware of with a valuable extraction/commodity economy is Australia and they are socialist.

I know that the progressives are aware of this sort of scenario and they would make sure there is a Global currency/monetary policy and economy before they would counterance a conservative society. It would be a handful of folks against the entire world.

While it can be simple to set up parameters in a novel, it is much more difficult in real life. I really fear that we will have to go through some sort of total meltdown and savage decimation of society and individual life before we could rebuild. Most of us would not survive it.Copy of this to Travis McGee for comment. His series seems to me to take a more realistic approach. We are going to have to fight for this nation, IMO.


37 posted on 10/22/2008 9:59:20 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: Jack Black

and I thought that maybe I was the only person in the Country that could not live under a Hussein regime.


38 posted on 10/22/2008 10:00:39 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Just your average "Whitey" - clinging to my guns and religion!)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

What about the good people of those states we leave behind? Are their homes, their businesses, their land not worth fighting for, too? Secession would not end the creep of communism or socialism—it would merely redraw the lines. I am an eternal optimist in that I believe in the eventual desire of mankind for freedom from tyranny and oppression. Those systems would not last—my Bible tells me so! Yes, the way would be bloody to endure, and cost lives and dash hopes and be dreary as h*ll, but I have faith that good would prevail. I dare not give up—what would I ever say to George Washington when I get to heaven? (smile!)


39 posted on 10/22/2008 10:01:20 AM PDT by sassy steel magnolia (USAF life and Navy wife...God Bless the USA!)
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To: allmendream

Not cowards, realists. Liberals will never represent my values or beliefs, and in truth, if we are truly believing in the constitution, we absolutely should not expect them to. When this country was founded, morality was shared. It was universal here. The founding fathers could not have forseen immorality here as it is today,ergo, it was unmentioned. Only half the country feels as I do, the other half, is opposite. Both deserve to be represented, neither will be under one country, especially if the Federal Gvt does not stop over stepping states rights altoghether.


40 posted on 10/22/2008 10:01:43 AM PDT by wombtotomb (since its "above his paygrade", why can't we err on the side of caution about when life begins?)
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To: Jack Black

A strict immigration policy heavily weighted again liberals and biased towards merit would need to be established. After all, as their country crumbled under their own idiocy, they’d be clawing to get into the one still based on the Constitution and the Founders’ intent.


41 posted on 10/22/2008 10:02:51 AM PDT by According2RecentPollsAirIsGood
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To: NavyCanDo

I live west of the Bread Basket of the Confederacy (Shenandoah Valley) from the Blue Ridge in the Allegheny Highlands, and I’ll wave at you from my ridge! Got plenty of veggies out of the garden, the deer are fat, cider is getting hard in the cellar & have enough bullets to last for several years. We’re ready.


42 posted on 10/22/2008 10:07:33 AM PDT by graywaiter (Gotta love those gun tote'n mommas.......)
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To: sassy steel magnolia
What about the good people of those states we leave behind?

Don't leave them behind. That's the whole point of this.

I don't see secession as giving up. I see staying put and hoping to work within a system that has been wholly corrupted futile. Our chances for survival are exponentially better in an independent Republic of Texas than they will be in Barack Hussein Obama's America.

43 posted on 10/22/2008 10:07:46 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (democratic socialism is totalitarian communism lying in wait.)
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To: indianyogi
Give the east coast and the West coast to liberals and un-family, un-traditional group of people.

From a financial view, those of us living in the Northeast and on the West Coast would be better off financially without the Red States to subsidize with our tax dollars.

44 posted on 10/22/2008 10:08:58 AM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: reformedliberal

What is the series that Travis wrote?

Thanks!


45 posted on 10/22/2008 10:10:01 AM PDT by roses of sharon (When the enemy comes in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD will put him to flight (Isaiah 59:19)
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To: Jack Black

I’m beginning -I think -to understand the Tower of Babel. I have close friends and colleagues that start talking Obama-I swear I don’t understand them-


46 posted on 10/22/2008 10:10:45 AM PDT by mo
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To: Citizen Blade

I’ve heard this trope many times, that we on the coast are “subsidizing” the “red states,” but I’ve never seen what exactly that means. How exactly are my tax dollars (and yours, I presume) being used to keep (I guess) southern and midwestern states afloat? Can you provide examples?


47 posted on 10/22/2008 10:11:05 AM PDT by ravensandricks (Jesus rides beside me. He never buys any smokes.)
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To: Jack Black

Secession would be the wrong answer. If there were a CWII it would be to re-establish the constitution and the republic and to do what should have been done in 1865 — throw out the democrat party, outlaw it and if necessary hang the traitorous leadership of the party. Those who don’t like it can move Canada, Mexico or France where they might feel more comfortable.


48 posted on 10/22/2008 10:11:15 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: reformedliberal
An extraction/ag economy in the Inter-Mountain West still needs shipping and the unions and Blue states control the ports. Water is scarce in parts of the West.
 
A couple of points - Texas has ports. Houston is one of the largest ports in the World. The Southeast also has many "Red State" ports. West Coast ports would be hard.
Water is only scarce in the Intermountain West because we give so much of it to California. If we kept every drop that fell on the Rockies and Wasatch there would be plenty - plus a country that is not afraid of nuclear power can desalinate all the water it wants.

49 posted on 10/22/2008 10:11:52 AM PDT by azcap
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To: reformedliberal

Travis has been pinged! (He’s a co-owner of the CWII ping list)


50 posted on 10/22/2008 10:12:38 AM PDT by Jack Black
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