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FEC joins call to throw out suit against Obama (Berg's challenge of BHO's citizenship)
The Morning Call (Allentown, PA) ^ | 10/22/08 | Kevin Amerman

Posted on 10/23/2008 7:18:55 AM PDT by Born Conservative

The Federal Election Commission has joined Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee in asking a federal judge to dismiss a lawsuit filed by a Montgomery County attorney seeking Obama's ouster from the November ballot.

Philip Berg, who claims the Illinois senator was born in Kenya and can't run for president because he isn't a natural-born U.S. citizen, has no standing to make the claim, according to the FEC.

The motion, filed Tuesday in U.S. District Court in Philadelphia, echoes one filed last month by Obama and the DNC that states Berg hasn't demonstrated how he personally would suffer even if his ''ridiculous and patently false'' claims were true.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: antichrist; bc; berg; bergvobama; birthcertificate; certifigate; fec; lawsuit; marines; obama; obamatruthfile; philipberg
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1 posted on 10/23/2008 7:18:55 AM PDT by Born Conservative
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To: Born Conservative

he has VOLUNTARILY AGREED to drop his suit if they just SHOW A VALID BIRTH CERTIFICATE

Why go through all this bother???????????????

Heck Obama is even in Hawaii right now- he can go pick one up!


2 posted on 10/23/2008 7:21:01 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: Born Conservative

The election’s commission?

Have they seen his birth certificate?

No?

Then they need to butt out.


3 posted on 10/23/2008 7:21:22 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: Born Conservative

As Bill O’Reilly said today on Fox and Friends.....

“If you are not on the Obama train, they will come and get you....”


4 posted on 10/23/2008 7:21:28 AM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: Born Conservative

So then rather than fight on the merits of Berg’s allegations, they prefer to fight on technical “standing” “no harm/no foul” strategy?

What does that tell you, folks?


5 posted on 10/23/2008 7:21:34 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (u)
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To: Born Conservative
Obviously we are getting a lesson on what happens when a country is no longer a nation of laws.


U.S.Constitution be damned.


ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE

6 posted on 10/23/2008 7:22:51 AM PDT by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: Beckwith; syriacus; stockpirate; Fred Nerks; Chief Engineer; Quix; Alamo-Girl; MizSterious; ...

Ping


7 posted on 10/23/2008 7:23:34 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (When someone is trying to help -- why pee in his cheerios?)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

Not that I agree at all with the FEC, but standing is quite an important element of a lawsuit, according to the Rules of Civil Procedure.


8 posted on 10/23/2008 7:23:58 AM PDT by CT-Freeper (Said the frequently disappointed but ever optimistic Mets fan.)
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To: Born Conservative

“Berg hasn’t demonstrated how he personally would suffer”

We will all suffer.


9 posted on 10/23/2008 7:23:59 AM PDT by ChicagahAl (So your bumper sticker says: "Don't blame me, I didn't vote!"? Duh!)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

That tells me the FEC would be humiliated if it was found out they had allowed a candidate to get this far who wasn’t vetted properly (i.e. in relationship to citizenship.)


10 posted on 10/23/2008 7:24:12 AM PDT by Dawn531
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To: ChicagahAl

Bingo! Every voter will suffer including this party, Berg.


11 posted on 10/23/2008 7:25:09 AM PDT by George from New England (now from north of Tampa Bay)
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To: Born Conservative
The motion, filed Tuesday in U.S. District Court in Philadelphia, echoes one filed last month by Obama and the DNC that states Berg hasn't demonstrated how he personally would suffer even if his ''ridiculous and patently false'' claims were true.

We all suffer when the constitution is trampled.
12 posted on 10/23/2008 7:25:11 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Paying taxes for bank bailouts is apparently the patriotic thing to do. [/sarc])
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To: illiac

“If you are not on the Obama train, they will come and get you....”

13 posted on 10/23/2008 7:25:14 AM PDT by Red Badger (My wallet is made out of depleted you-owe-mium........)
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To: Born Conservative
Show the birth certificate and the whole problem goes away.

There are a few reasons why I can imagine Obama wouldn't:

1. Original name was Saddam.
2. Hawaii birth certificates back then had a religion and Islam is checked.
3. Kenya is not a Hawaii county.
4. A little rope-a-dope to keep the Republicans focused on this issue only to release a birth certificate right before the election.

14 posted on 10/23/2008 7:25:28 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Obama: Spread the Wealth = Marx: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs)
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To: BenLurkin

SCOTUS, here we come........


15 posted on 10/23/2008 7:25:59 AM PDT by Red Badger (My wallet is made out of depleted you-owe-mium........)
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To: Born Conservative

Aren’t these people supposed to look out for us and make sure elections are legit?


16 posted on 10/23/2008 7:26:10 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (Congress doesn't care a damn about "we the people")
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To: Born Conservative

What standing does the FEC have to intervene? I thought they are supposed to be neutral insofar as partisan politics is concerned and rule on whether a candidate follwed the rules in campagin finance.


17 posted on 10/23/2008 7:27:30 AM PDT by MarkT
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To: Born Conservative

Aha!


18 posted on 10/23/2008 7:28:14 AM PDT by gunnyg
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To: KarlInOhio

According to Andy Martin in his news conference yesterday....0bama actually had a different father (who to believe?)

http://contrariancommentary.wordpress.com/


19 posted on 10/23/2008 7:28:17 AM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: Born Conservative

This is old news!


20 posted on 10/23/2008 7:28:29 AM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: Born Conservative

So... I guess this means that you could be a Moslem, highly-placed al-Qaeda operative with Bulgarian citizenship and links to Russian and Chinese intelligence, born in Mozambique and educated in Venezuela, with a wife and kids in Malaysia and draw a salary from the Syrian military, and no one wants to know about it - provided only that you can get the American MSM and enough moronic, would-be voters behind you. Personally, I find the whole thing a little surprising.


21 posted on 10/23/2008 7:28:42 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (here)
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To: CT-Freeper

On this issue “Rules of Civil Procedure” be dammed. Have him produce the Birth Certificate and get it over with. Forget the “Procedures” and prove to the American people, of which 50% want to know, that he is a citizen. Seems that democrats really don’t care. If they don’t care then anyone in the world can be our President. How about Chaves, or Castro?


22 posted on 10/23/2008 7:29:28 AM PDT by RC2
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To: Born Conservative
How has this issue been allowed to slip under the radar for so long? If Obama wins the election, will it even be valid if he was born in Kenya? Or will that be when we are told it's time to ignore the rules of the constitution? Then the Fairness Doctrine goes into effect and we are now ruled by our new dictator.
23 posted on 10/23/2008 7:30:32 AM PDT by PeanutbutterandJellybean
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To: BenLurkin; All

I saw no assurances by the FEC either. Factcheck.org was run by the Annenburg Project, if I’m not mistaken — fox guarding henhouse. Did the FEC rely on that? Furthermore, a fraudulent birth certificate is a felony.

“The FEC says it should be dismissed as a defendant even if Berg had standing because ‘’it has no power to determine who qualifies for ballot access or who is eligible to serve as president.’’”

Lame and obstructing truth — only fans the fire.


24 posted on 10/23/2008 7:31:18 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (When someone is trying to help -- why pee in his cheerios?)
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To: Red Badger
"And he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right." -Biden

"I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors," Barack Obama told a crowd in Elko, Nev. "I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face." -Obama

"Most time[s] a man will tell you his bad intentions if you listen - let yourself hear." Charley Waite (Kevin Costner) Open Range (2003)

25 posted on 10/23/2008 7:32:03 AM PDT by Treefiddy
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To: Born Conservative

If this story were about McCain, you can bet that the press would be at McCain’s typical white grandmother’s side seeking a deathbed confession of his true birth.


26 posted on 10/23/2008 7:32:16 AM PDT by wilco200 (Typical White Person)
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To: ChicagahAl

Actually that is not true. Berg is a contributor to the Democrat party. His claim is he has donated money and time to the Party and THAT gives him standing. If Obama is not eligible to elected POTUS, it is up to the party to field a viable candidate. The party solicited financial donations for the election of Barack. He contributed. If Barack is not elibible, Berg is out the money that COULD have gone to a viable candidate (Hillary) At face value, the Judge is taking too long. If this were a frivolous suit as the DNC calims, it would have been dismissed long ago. This just might have some legs.


27 posted on 10/23/2008 7:32:17 AM PDT by offduty (I Support Joe the Plumber....he's fresh and articulate...wait, someone already said that)
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To: RC2

President Soros will save us when he’s elected in a few years.


28 posted on 10/23/2008 7:33:22 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Paying taxes for bank bailouts is apparently the patriotic thing to do. [/sarc])
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To: Born Conservative
::::sigh:::: This is never going to go anywhere. Even if Obama were born outside the U.S., that does not mean he isn't a citizen. And the BS about his mom only being 18 when she gave birth to him so she does not meet some criteria about living in the U.S. for a certain period of time is stupid as well.

This guy is only succeeding in looking like a lunatic.

29 posted on 10/23/2008 7:33:28 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: Dawn531
That tells me the FEC would be humiliated if it was found out they had allowed a candidate to get this far who wasn’t vetted properly (i.e. in relationship to citizenship.)

Exactly. The cover-up is breathtaking but absolutely understandable. The honor system for establishing natural-born citizenship has become second-nature. Now, for the first time, a serious candidate arises for whom there is reasonable doubt. And none of those responsible were doing their job and seeking proof.
30 posted on 10/23/2008 7:34:21 AM PDT by Genoa
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To: CT-Freeper
Not that I agree at all with the FEC, but standing is quite an important element of a lawsuit, according to the Rules of Civil Procedure.

So who WOULD have standing for a complaint like this? It seems like the Constitution itself will bear the greatest injury, but lately the Constitution has been having trouble finding a good attorney.

31 posted on 10/23/2008 7:34:43 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (The Global Warming Heretic -- http://AGW-Heretic.blogspot.com)
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To: Mr. K

That’s too simple an answer—or perhaps too difficult to produce.


32 posted on 10/23/2008 7:35:53 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: offduty

There are a LOT of potential problems for the democrats if Zero is found to be running illegally. The parties are supposed to vett their candidates and at this point they would have to know. If they’re pushing a fraudulent candidate, a lot of big democrat names will go down with him.


33 posted on 10/23/2008 7:36:34 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Paying taxes for bank bailouts is apparently the patriotic thing to do. [/sarc])
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To: Born Conservative

Rush DID sort of hint to this yesterday. He said (paraphrasing) “Obama is in Hawaii to visit his sick grandmother or for some other reason.”


34 posted on 10/23/2008 7:37:10 AM PDT by Walmartian (Doesnt sound very Hopenchangey to me.)
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To: Born Conservative
Philip Berg...has no standing to make the claim, according to the FEC.

I don't have any legal or constitutional training but it seems to me that by this 'logic' no one would have a right to ask for evidence of citizenship in this particular situation, so wouldn't that render useless the relevant constitutional provision?

35 posted on 10/23/2008 7:37:36 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Born Conservative

With the FEC joining you would think that is reason enough for the press to now cover this.


36 posted on 10/23/2008 7:38:04 AM PDT by Jazz1968
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

We were thinking along the same lines but I like the way you put it—who would have standing? Anyone?


37 posted on 10/23/2008 7:39:07 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: CT-Freeper

Who would have standing?


38 posted on 10/23/2008 7:39:59 AM PDT by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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To: MEGoody
Even if Obama were born outside the U.S., that does not mean he isn't a citizen.

Please tell me you are not that stupid.

Or maybe you are. Do you imagine that all "citizens" are eligible to become President? If you think that, then you need to actually READ that durned old Constitution you've heard so much about. You'll find out that you must be a "natural born citizen" which means that you have to meet certain standards of birth and parentage. It is NOT automatic, and being born outside the United States certainly does complicate things, especially of one of the parents is not a citizen, and the other did not complete residency requirements.

There are three Constitutional requirements for eligibility to become President, and a President must meet all three. It's not good enough to meet two of them and expect a pass on the third. even if that would pass muster with your individual. personal standards. Thank God.

39 posted on 10/23/2008 7:41:30 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: G.Mason
U.S.Constitution be damned.

The beginning of jihadist, folks. If the "Muslim" gets in we are doomed like Germany during Hitler's dictatorship!!!

40 posted on 10/23/2008 7:42:03 AM PDT by danamco
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To: Starboard

It also implies that a citizen has no standing to demand that elections be conducted according to the US Constitution unless that citizen can somehow prove quantifiable personal damage if the Constitution is violated?

Are we in Catch-22 here?

The FEC is against vetting a candidate for President of the USA. wtf


41 posted on 10/23/2008 7:44:08 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: CT-Freeper

That is my concern. I haven’t seen the case law, I’m not a lawyer BTW, but a lawyer who looked at it told me Berg doesn’t have standing. That brings up the question about why the court didn’t throw it out on that basis. I’m hoping the delay in the court doing anything is positive for Berg.

The Obama train has come close to running off the track a number of times. I’ve got my fingers crossed but I’m not holding my breath. I am trying to get people out to vote. That’s the real showdown.


42 posted on 10/23/2008 7:45:24 AM PDT by meatloaf
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To: Born Conservative

“The Federal Election Commission has joined Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee in asking a federal judge to dismiss a lawsuit filed by a Montgomery County attorney seeking Obama’s ouster from the November ballot.”

I’ve lately been wondering if somehow I fell through a dimensional gateway and I’m now in an alternate universe. I mean, is it not the FREAKING RESPONSIBILITY of the FEC to ENSURE that NObama is eligible? And instead they’re FIGHTING such discovery?!?

Get out there and vote, it may still be possible to save the country!

McCain/Palin ‘08!


43 posted on 10/23/2008 7:45:30 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

The problem is that there is probably precedent that works against Mr. Berg.

And the main problem seems not to be “standing” per se, but that the Constitutional bar doesn’t actually come into play until the Electoral votes are cast in the Congress in December. That’s when the President is actually elected.

The problem with this approach is obvious. By then the damage to the social fabric is done.

I think that the right judge could and should grant Mr. Berg’s motion, and let the chips fall.


44 posted on 10/23/2008 7:45:38 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: CT-Freeper
Not that I agree at all with the FEC, but standing is quite an important element of a lawsuit, according to the Rules of Civil Procedure.

So WHO (We the American people?) have standing when it comes to that WE are "hiring" our President, hmmm???

45 posted on 10/23/2008 7:46:02 AM PDT by danamco
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To: danamco
I won't be getting in any boxcar, if I can help it.


I will say this ... should the 0bomination get in, I will not be posting anything here again.

LOL ... that should make quite a few very happy. ;)

46 posted on 10/23/2008 7:46:16 AM PDT by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: Born Conservative

“Berg hasn’t demonstrated how he personally would suffer”
I believe it is Berg’s arguement that as a Democrat, his candidate is not qualified to hold office. Therefore, by nominating Obama, the DNC has left him without a valid candidate. Thus disenfranchising him and the Democratic voters. If I were the judge,I would agree.


47 posted on 10/23/2008 7:46:42 AM PDT by noob4palin (That's Governor Palin to you.)
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To: Born Conservative

NO STANDING???

ANY American citizen who reveres the Constitution and believes its provisions mean what they say would have standing.

Man, this is getting really freaky.


48 posted on 10/23/2008 7:47:20 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: Dawn531

That tells me the FEC would be humiliated if it was found out they had allowed a candidate to get this far who wasn’t vetted properly (i.e. in relationship to citizenship.)
:::::::
Without a doubt. The FEC is complicit in this fraud and hoax. Washington, as has been noted on millions of occasions now, is TOTALLY OUT OF CONTROL. The concept of a nation of laws is a joke. They only apply to people who get in the way of the political class and its influence peddlers.


49 posted on 10/23/2008 7:47:55 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Dawn531
That tells me the FEC would be humiliated

Translated = CYA!!!

50 posted on 10/23/2008 7:48:19 AM PDT by danamco
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