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Obama spells 'persecution,' warns Focus on the Family
World Net Daily ^ | 10/22/08 | Art Moore

Posted on 10/23/2008 7:23:33 AM PDT by truthandlife

What would America look like after four years of an Obama administration?

"Hardship," "persecution" and "suffering" are among the prospects in a hypothetical letter from a "Christian from 2012" released today by evangelical leader James Dobson's political activist group Focus on the Family Action.

Titled "Letter from 2012 in Obama’s America," the piece clearly targets the many evangelical Christians seeking "change," particularly the young, who could tip the election in favor of the Illinois Democrat . At the end of the letter, the fictional Christian laments that these people "simply did not realize Obama's far-left agenda would take away many of our freedoms as a nation, perhaps permanently," pointing to a new, liberal-majority Supreme Court unlikely to change for 30 more years.

"I get tears in my eyes and a lump in my throat," says the fictional writer. "Now in October of 2012, after seeing what has happened in the last four years," America is no longer "the land of the free and the home of the brave."

"Many of our freedoms have been taken away by a liberal Supreme Court and a majority of Democrats in both the House and the Senate, and hardly any brave citizen dares to resist the new government policies any more," the letter writer says.

(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; 2008; antichrist; atheisim; bloat; christiannation; christianvote; churchstate; dobson; evangelicals; fairnessdoctrine; fotf; homosexualagenda; jefferson; obama; persecution; religiousfreedom; stockpile; stockpilesong
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1 posted on 10/23/2008 7:23:33 AM PDT by truthandlife
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To: truthandlife
"What would America look like after four years of an Obama administration? ... "


An 0bama presidency won't last 2 years.

2 posted on 10/23/2008 7:25:22 AM PDT by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: G.Mason

I give it a good chance at eight — if we don’t defeat him on the fourth of November.


3 posted on 10/23/2008 7:26:18 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: truthandlife

Oh right, the myth of Christian persecution in the United States...


4 posted on 10/23/2008 7:26:25 AM PDT by Natchez Hawk (Haider was a drunken, suicidial, sad, gay man. At least he lived up to his idol...)
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To: G.Mason

“An 0bama presidency won’t last 2 years.”

Please explain. What are you suggesting?


5 posted on 10/23/2008 7:27:00 AM PDT by RooRoobird20 (Thankkfully Converted Catholic)
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To: G.Mason

“An 0bama presidency won’t last 2 years”

America might not last 2 years. But then, that is the point of those who own an operate Obama.


6 posted on 10/23/2008 7:27:05 AM PDT by ChicagahAl (So your bumper sticker says: "Don't blame me, I didn't vote!"? Duh!)
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To: truthandlife
the land of the free

Well, that's still technically accurate if you consider all the freebies that the government is going to dole out. Money for nuthin...

7 posted on 10/23/2008 7:27:43 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: truthandlife
HERE IS THE LETTER WHICH CAN BE DOWNLOADED HERE

AMERICA WILL DEFINITELY BE "CHANGED"

8 posted on 10/23/2008 7:28:15 AM PDT by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: ChicagahAl

“America might not last 2 years.”

Are you saying we’ll be a communist/socialist country or we’ll be literally destroyed by a belligerant attack of some sort?


9 posted on 10/23/2008 7:29:23 AM PDT by RooRoobird20 (Thankkfully Converted Catholic)
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To: Natchez Hawk

The “myth”, eh?

Tell me, what is the only religion that is politically correct to attack?


10 posted on 10/23/2008 7:29:57 AM PDT by MrB (0bama supporters: What's the attraction? The Marxism or the Infanticide?)
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To: MrB

Islam.


11 posted on 10/23/2008 7:33:04 AM PDT by Natchez Hawk (Haider was a drunken, suicidial, sad, gay man. At least he lived up to his idol...)
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To: truthandlife

True story


12 posted on 10/23/2008 7:33:46 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: RooRoobird20

I have said before, I think it is possible that America’s enemies will threaten, and Obama will surrender. He will certainly decimate our military at the behest of his anti-war/anti-American puppet masters.


13 posted on 10/23/2008 7:34:31 AM PDT by ChicagahAl (So your bumper sticker says: "Don't blame me, I didn't vote!"? Duh!)
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To: truthandlife

The rise of Obama is one of the single worst things that has happened in this country in the past 50 years. Regardless of whether he wins or loses, race relations in this country have been set back decades. His close ties with ACORN have corrupted our election system, possibly forever. The already existing schism between left and right has become much deeper and wider. The left view Obama as their Messiah and, thus, their cause as a holy one. The vast amounts of dirty money that his campaign has, basically, laundered has tainted the entire campaign finance system long-term.

On the other hand, I’m grateful to Obama for exposing how widespread racism against white is in the urban black community. If it wasn’t for Obama, most Americans would have no idea what ACORN is and how they actively subvert our election system. I’m glad that millions of Americans are now aware that election fraud isn’t just something whispered about in places like Chicago but is happening in small, sleepy towns across the county, thanks to Obama and his minions. I guess there’s always even a tiny silver lining to every cloud.


14 posted on 10/23/2008 7:36:31 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie (Homeschool like your kids' lives depend on it.)
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To: Natchez Hawk

You’re joking - it’s not politically correct to attack Islam in America, Europe, nor anywhere else that I can think of for that matter.

Yeah, we CORRECTLY identify Islam as a dangerous ideology, but it’s not politically correct to do so.


15 posted on 10/23/2008 7:36:41 AM PDT by MrB (0bama supporters: What's the attraction? The Marxism or the Infanticide?)
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To: ChicagahAl

Got that right, and the chief puppet master will be none other than George Soros. Too bad most of the American electorate can’t seem to mentally grasp the darkness that is about to fall over our land.


16 posted on 10/23/2008 7:38:19 AM PDT by ScottinVA
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To: MrB

Please to give an example of Christian persecution.

‘cause last time I checked about 80% of the U.S. population is Christian....


17 posted on 10/23/2008 7:39:18 AM PDT by Natchez Hawk (Haider was a drunken, suicidial, sad, gay man. At least he lived up to his idol...)
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To: RooRoobird20
I am suggesting that ...

1) Things in the U.S. will begin to deteriorate at a rapid rate.

2) That any one, or more of those countries that hate the U.S. will step up their actions against US.

3) The "testing" of an 0bama administration will prove that they are incapable of leadership for the U.S..

and 4) He will be removed from office in a national emergency.


JMHO ... of course.

And no ... I don't believe extraterrestrials are living amongst us, in the Loch Ness Monster, or the tooth fairy.


well ... maybe the tooth fairy.

18 posted on 10/23/2008 7:41:16 AM PDT by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: G.Mason

How do you figure? IF Obama wins ACORN/CAIR/SEIU will be running our elections in 2010 and 2012 and they probably will cancel them after that. He will flood the country with millions of illegals from Somalia, Kenya, Middle East etc. They will get welfare checks, foreclosed housing and an AK-47. This is what the left essentially did in the UK.


19 posted on 10/23/2008 7:43:01 AM PDT by Frantzie
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To: truthandlife
If Obamessiah is elected, many of us will be going to camp – for a few days anyway. I understand that cattle car producers are already lining up for the contract.!

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20 posted on 10/23/2008 7:43:36 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: truthandlife
WATCH THIS VIDEO It's short and VERY worth it. Then send it to everyone you know.
21 posted on 10/23/2008 7:43:45 AM PDT by I'm ALL Right! (Joe Biden: The Michael Scott of politics)
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To: Natchez Hawk

Not allowing teachers to profess faith or beliefs, removal of 10 commandments monuments, removal of crosses from public places, disallowing students from reading the Bible during free reading time, suspending kids for praying before lunch.

You have to be WILLFULLY ignorant to not recognize the anti-Christian movement in America. The ACLU is at the forefront.

“80% of the US Population is Christian” and the sun came up today - what do either one have to do with the reality of religious persecution?


22 posted on 10/23/2008 7:45:13 AM PDT by MrB (0bama supporters: What's the attraction? The Marxism or the Infanticide?)
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To: G.Mason

All the seeds of a conflict that would be planted and the harvest a bloody second civil war.


23 posted on 10/23/2008 7:47:11 AM PDT by Biggirl (Throw The Bums OUT!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: truthandlife

It is great Dobson is finally waking up. Hopefully it isn’t too little or too late.


24 posted on 10/23/2008 7:47:18 AM PDT by Maelstorm (This country was not founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a government check!")
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To: Maelstorm

EVERY Christian must read this letter:

Letter from a Christian in 2012 in Obama’s America


25 posted on 10/23/2008 7:50:19 AM PDT by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: Natchez Hawk

Christians are viewd as freaks by a lot of pagans and devil worshipers in the US


26 posted on 10/23/2008 7:53:12 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: MrB

And people are allowed to put forth other religious (Non-Christian) beliefs in school/public places?

No, of course they’re not.

If you want to see “persecution against Christians” try Red China, Burma, Israel/Palestine, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Somalia, Ethiopia, Sudan, Congo, Syria, well you get the point.


27 posted on 10/23/2008 7:53:49 AM PDT by Natchez Hawk (Haider was a drunken, suicidial, sad, gay man. At least he lived up to his idol...)
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To: Natchez Hawk

More like 20% the rest have no affiliation


28 posted on 10/23/2008 7:54:01 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: G.Mason

Do you think the following Biden Presidency would be any better?


29 posted on 10/23/2008 7:54:24 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: Natchez Hawk

I guess you missed all the hubbub about Islam being taught in public schools.

Does Google work for you, or is it broken?


30 posted on 10/23/2008 7:56:40 AM PDT by MrB (0bama supporters: What's the attraction? The Marxism or the Infanticide?)
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To: yldstrk

So “pagans and devil worshipers” viewing Christians as ‘freaks’ is persecution?

How many pagans and devil worshipers are out there?
Examples?

In America I suspect somebody who declared themself to be a pagan or devil worshiper (have not met either) would be considered the freak.

And I think you know that to be the case as well.


31 posted on 10/23/2008 7:56:46 AM PDT by Natchez Hawk (Haider was a drunken, suicidial, sad, gay man. At least he lived up to his idol...)
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To: green iguana

No ... hopefully he will get lost in the shuffle.


32 posted on 10/23/2008 7:57:27 AM PDT by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: truthandlife

Christian persecution will happen. It may not get into full swing under Obama but, then again, it could. It won’t be couched in terms of open hostility to Christians but will instead come in the form of “hate crime” laws and civil rights laws. The mechanism is simple: declare certain behaviors that have been condemned consistently by the Christian sects to now be “rights”. These “rights” will trump any and all rights actually stated in our Constitution (an outdated document created by Eurocentric white men many of whom were slave owners). The resulting “hate crime” and civil rights laws will be used to force Christian churches to uphold the new “rights” and fines and jail time will result for any who openly oppose these. Any individual who dares speak out against the new “rights” will have the coercive power of the state exercised against him to muzzle the dissent.

This is already happening in Europe and Canada and there have been a couple of cases in the U.S. (the photographer in Arizona who declined a job to photograph a homosexual “wedding” comes immediately to mind). Also I have read that in Massachusets the new “right” of homosexual marriage is being used to club Christians into submission to the complete “normalization” of homosexuality including the coercion of churches in providing wedding ceremonies to homosexuals and allowing the adoption of children by homosexual couples (which has resulted in many Church adoption services shutting down in the state).

Things are happening pretty quickly these days. The effort to “tame” the Christian sects may pick up a lot of steam in a short amount of time.


33 posted on 10/23/2008 7:59:43 AM PDT by scory
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To: truthandlife
I fear there is an awful lot of truth in Dr. Dobson's letter.

The "change" we are going to get is not what 75% of the country envisions. Once we turn over the entire government to the extremist RATs, however, there will be no going back.

We have never had a nominee as radical as this one, and the world is a far more dangerous place than ever before. I pray for our country's survival.

34 posted on 10/23/2008 7:59:52 AM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: Natchez Hawk

“Oh right, the myth of Christian persecution in the United States...”

With all due respect, what do you think the ultimate goal of the PC movement is? Teachers in this nation are NOT ALOUD to teach intelligent design even as a theory!

Our founding documents are laced with references to God and Divine guidance, and yet since the MYTH of Separation of Church and State entered our culture (not law, it’s not there), the ACLU attacks anyone who dares mention these things in a teaching setting. Don’t tell me it’s a MYTH.


35 posted on 10/23/2008 8:02:53 AM PDT by GWMcClintock (Right after Lib Democrats, the most dangerous politicians are country club Republicans. T. Sowell)
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To: scory
Christian persecution will happen. It may not get into full swing under Obama but, then again, it could.

Agree 100%.

While the MSM, Hollywood, and most liberals detest Christianity, at this point, we are free to practice our religion as we see fit.

The handwriting is on the wall though. The persecution is coming.

Let the liberals gain one net seat on the Supreme Court, and freedom of religion as it is currently understood becomes a relic of the past.

36 posted on 10/23/2008 8:03:36 AM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: truthandlife
While some of the letter's dire predictions are less likely several are very much on target. $7 per gallon gasoline by 2012 is almost certain under Obama and the Democrat Congress' no drill, windfall tax on oil companies and new carbon tax policies. The reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine will surely kill talk radio as we know it and look for extensions of the Fairness Doctrine to be applied to Internet blogs, cable TV and satellite radio. Rush, Hannity and other conservative programming will have to go offshore through the Internet, short wave radio and with radio stations in Mexico and Canada. By 2012 double digit inflation and unemployment will the norm. Obama's appease and retreat foreign policy will result in the fall of Iraq and embolden terrorists to strike again on US soil. Iran will have nuclear weapons and threaten all out nuclear war with Israel.

Fortunately, the Republicans would have a chance to take back Congress in 2010 and by 2012 the White House.

37 posted on 10/23/2008 8:04:54 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: MrB

So Islam is taught in a history class, therefore a teacher should be able to talk about their religious beliefs.

I really don’t think you would like that.

An example.

Would you like a Calvinist trying to convert your child?
What about a Catholic? Jehovahs’ Witness? Southern Baptist? Methodist? Mormon? Presbyterian? Lutheran? Jewish? Eastern Orthodox? Greek Orthodox? Pentecostal? A.M.E.? Black Muslim? Maronite? Unitarian? How about the Moonies, do you want them ‘educating’ your children.

I’m sure one (if not most) of these religions are objectionable in some way to your religious principles...

So what brand of Christianity would be acceptable to you?


38 posted on 10/23/2008 8:05:14 AM PDT by Natchez Hawk (Haider was a drunken, suicidial, sad, gay man. At least he lived up to his idol...)
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To: truthandlife; Jersey Republican Biker Chick; Sam's Army; Rutles4Ever; Dubya's fan
Folks, this is one heck of a letter. Being 16 pages long, if you decide to skim, please see pg 10 on Military Policy and 14 Prosecution of former Bush administration officials.

This is what we're up against.

Good work outta you truthandlife.
Repost of link

Owl_Eagle

There are people who are surrounded by bigots
and know it is wrong, but are afraid to be vocal against it.
These people are going to pull the lever for Obama
and they are not being polled.
angee_is_mad, DUmmy

39 posted on 10/23/2008 8:07:53 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: G.Mason

not too far fetched, except for the removal from office part. Instead, martial law will probably be imposed upon the citizenry.


40 posted on 10/23/2008 8:07:53 AM PDT by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger then yours)
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To: ChocChipCookie

Sometimes the only thing you can do is to immanentize the eschaton. I was thinking about doing that earlier in the cycle, but no way can I stand by and let the marxist Bx0 get in there.


41 posted on 10/23/2008 8:09:11 AM PDT by ichabod1 (You won't know communism is here until it puts a boot in your (fat) bottom.)
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To: BenLurkin

Obama would declare himself El Presidente for life” like in some South American banana republic.


42 posted on 10/23/2008 8:10:18 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.")
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To: Natchez Hawk

“And people are allowed to put forth other religious (Non-Christian) beliefs in school/public places?”

I can see it now...The Nine Satanic Statements sharing wall space with the Ten Commandments in some 3rd grade classroom in Montana...


43 posted on 10/23/2008 8:11:15 AM PDT by NCPAC ("Libertarianism is the heart and soul of conservatism." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: MrB
Not allowing teachers to profess faith or beliefs

Which is an appropriate restriction. Teachers should not use classroom time to preach their religion.

removal of 10 commandments monuments, removal of crosses from public places,

Unless these displays are being replaced by symbols of other religions, how is this persecution of Christians? At worst, it is just an evening of the public playing field by not allowing any rleigion to use public property for its religious displays.

students from reading the Bible during free reading time, suspending kids for praying before lunch.

I'm sure some overzealous administrator with a poor understanding of the Constitution thought that they were enforcing the law in such cases, but mistakes like this tend to get smacked down as soon as lawyers get involved.

You have to be WILLFULLY ignorant to not recognize the anti-Christian movement in America. The ACLU is at the forefront.

The anti-Christian movement is wasting its time. America is a highly Christian nation to such an extent that even most left-wing politicians have to at least make the right religious noises to get elected.

44 posted on 10/23/2008 8:12:13 AM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: Natchez Hawk
"How many pagans and devil worshipers are out there? Examples?"


Start with the Mooslims.
45 posted on 10/23/2008 8:13:25 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.")
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To: FBD
Martial law?

Good luck with that. Martial law will be about as effective as the President securing our borders, stopping criminal gangs from terrorizing those city folks, and printing money to help the economy.

Martial law indeed.

46 posted on 10/23/2008 8:15:46 AM PDT by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: Citizen Blade

On your first point, teachers preach their religion of Secular Humanism all the time.

On the rest of your points - you’re of the opinion that because they aren’t all that successful, then it’s not a problem.

That’s like saying that suppression of free speech through the Fairness Doctrine isn’t a problem because Rush will go on satellite, or some court will rule against it.

Failure or Success has no relation to the real problem of the DESIRE TO OPPRESS.


47 posted on 10/23/2008 8:16:34 AM PDT by MrB (0bama supporters: What's the attraction? The Marxism or the Infanticide?)
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To: NCPAC

What about the Sermon on the Mount? Or the Judaica? Thesis of Wittenburg? Book of Mormon? Picture of Sung Yung Moon? Book of Deuteoronomy has a whole bunch of rules, why not them? How about some Papal Bulls and encyclicals?

I think there are enough contra-flows in “our Judeo-Christian” heritage we wouldn’t have enough space for your Satanic principles, sorry.


48 posted on 10/23/2008 8:17:30 AM PDT by Natchez Hawk (Haider was a drunken, suicidial, sad, gay man. At least he lived up to his idol...)
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To: truthandlife

Get ready for Sharia law under Obama. All Muslims demand it.


49 posted on 10/23/2008 8:17:43 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: NCPAC
The Nine Satanic Statements sharing wall space with the Ten Commandments in some 3rd grade classroom in Montana

Gosh, we'd HAVE to do this, now, wouldn't we?
Otherwise, Congress would be Establishing a State Religion.

50 posted on 10/23/2008 8:18:16 AM PDT by MrB (0bama supporters: What's the attraction? The Marxism or the Infanticide?)
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