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Rick Warren endorses Prop 8 (California Same Sex Marriage Ban)
National Review ^ | 10/24/08 | Maggie Gallagher

Posted on 10/24/2008 8:11:49 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat

In his e-mail to his church members he writes: "For 5,000 years, every culture and every religion - not just Christianity - has defined marriage as a contract between men and women,” Warren wrote. “There is no reason to change the universal, historical definition of marriage to appease 2% of our population.”

On the Saddleback site there is video of him discussing the issue, here.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: ca2008; christianvote; evangelicals; gay; homosexualagenda; marriage; megachurch; pastor; protectmarriage; rickwarren; saddleback
Rick Warren is not my cup of tea...he has done plenty to earn my criticism...but I give kudos to him for taking a public stand on this issue.

Let's hope this passes in California, and maybe give McCain a boost in the Golden State, too. (I can dream, can't I?)

1 posted on 10/24/2008 8:11:49 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Good for Rick!


2 posted on 10/24/2008 8:13:58 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

There was a woman on the Bill O’Reilly show tonight saying how many large corporations such as Comcast and AT&T have donated $$$$ to defeated this amendment.


3 posted on 10/24/2008 8:15:50 PM PDT by fkabuckeyesrule (If McCain loses I'm moving to Alaska!!!!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

I am glad he is making this stand.

Thank you, Rick Warren!


4 posted on 10/24/2008 8:15:59 PM PDT by Shelayne (Pray without ceasing. Pray the Lord's Hand in our election process.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Homosexual marriage is not about the freedom for some to live as they want—because they are now free to do that-—but it is about forcing an ideology on people who do not want it.

Is is about the government forcing people to live AGAINST their consciences!

It is a matter of taking away the rights of the majority of people, to secure a privilege for a small minority of people, who can secure that their partnership by other means.

It is a matter of destroying the right of religions——not just Christianity by the way-—to teach morality in the way they see fit-—the right of freedom of speech, for people to speak out on issues they hold dear to their hearts-—and Parental rights-—the right to raise your children to share your own morals and values.

It is a matter of taking away the freedom of Americans to think, feel and define their own morality, and define their own communities, their own government; ON the grounds that the GOVERNMENT will now define the doctrines and precepts of religious organizations.

Homosexual marriage gives the government the right to intrude their powers in the area of anciently held and practiced religious doctrines—and to restrain these doctrines, destroys all religious liberty!


5 posted on 10/24/2008 8:17:09 PM PDT by tuckrdout (~ 'Daily example is the most subtle of poisons.' ~)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Good to see Rick Warren take a stand. I wonder how he will react when he is no longer the media’s favorite Evangelical preacher.


6 posted on 10/24/2008 8:18:08 PM PDT by yongin (Regardless of what the polls say, say no to Hussein)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Driving around CA I see lots of yes on 8 signs, and very few no on 8. Prop 8 will pass easily. Gay marriage is over in CA.


7 posted on 10/24/2008 8:19:20 PM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Hopefully he used some biblical reasons to support this. If it were 52% I hope he wouldn’t be supporting it.


8 posted on 10/24/2008 8:20:54 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Bravo, Mr. Warren.


9 posted on 10/24/2008 8:23:09 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

I’m usually a critic of Rick Warren, but you have to give him credit for this, and for the first (and best) debate.


10 posted on 10/24/2008 8:24:19 PM PDT by GOPPachyderm
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To: Recovering_Democrat
For 5,000 years, every culture and every religion - not just Christianity - has defined marriage as a contract between men and women,

Except with islam, it can be 1 man and many women...(interesting phrasing of his words...almost clintonian)

11 posted on 10/24/2008 8:25:39 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

“Yes” means No to Gay Marriage and “No” means Yes on this proposition. No wonder California is so screwed up!

I’m using the “Bradley Effect” on this one. I tell everyone that I’m voting No, but I’m really voting “Yes” (against gay marriage..)


12 posted on 10/24/2008 8:26:25 PM PDT by Beaten Valve
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To: tuckrdout
Homosexual marriage is not about the freedom for some to live as they want—because they are now free to do that-—but it is about forcing an ideology on people who do not want it.

Extremely well put!!!!! Thanks for putting your thougths into words.

13 posted on 10/24/2008 8:28:09 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: fkabuckeyesrule
I work for a large public corporation that shall remain nameless and I can tell you that the homosexual lobby has corporate America in a headlock. The obsession with race and gender has spawned many opportunities for gays to jump on the bandwagon. Every time you turn around, there's some Diversity Meeting, and Diversity meeting includes gays. A few months ago, our company celebrated Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual/Transgendered Awareness Month. It's truly bizarre. I sense that many black employees are especially offended by this gay stuff, but they really can't say anything because there's so much Black stuff also shoved down our throats at work. And those of us who are NOT some kind of minority can't say a word about the gay stuff. When large public companies in the US are bankrolling efforts against Prop 8, the world really has gone mad. So, good for Rick Warren for speaking out. Let's encourage people like Warren when they have the guts to speak the truth.
14 posted on 10/24/2008 8:29:40 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: HerrBlucher

“Driving around CA I see lots of yes on 8 signs, and very few no on 8. Prop 8 will pass easily. Gay marriage is over in CA.”

I saw a bunch of Hispanics with signs saying Yes on Prop. 8 at a busy intersection on the way home last night. I wasn’t counting, but it had to be at least 15+ people.

I haven’t seen a single “No” sign or even received any mailers (I’m an Independent).

I think the “No’s” are relying on the Internet, word-of-mouth and the Hollywood crowd.


15 posted on 10/24/2008 8:31:22 PM PDT by Beaten Valve
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To: Recovering_Democrat

The way I see it, the case for Optimism in this Election is found in Prop 8, and in Murtha perchance losing and Mrs. Bachmann stepping up and taking an unpopular stand in the media as well as the Maine “no” to a tax increase as well as the MA abolishment of the State Income Tax ballot initiative.

And of course Sarah Palin on the ticket, we have some brightness to work for unlike in 2006.

And good for Rick Warren, for my .02 cents, he did the best job of handling any form of debate this election season.


16 posted on 10/24/2008 8:31:35 PM PDT by padre35 (Sarah Palin is the one we've been waiting for..Rom 10.10..)
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To: HerrBlucher

I’m in worse shape than you...I live deep in the belly of the beast. Hollywood. NO on prop 8 is within a 5 mile radius.


17 posted on 10/24/2008 8:53:46 PM PDT by max americana
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To: Recovering_Democrat

He did the best of all the debates.


18 posted on 10/24/2008 8:58:49 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Yay Rick. I love that part about the 2% of the population, too.


19 posted on 10/24/2008 9:11:58 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Wow, he does realize there are some moral absolutes.


20 posted on 10/24/2008 9:15:15 PM PDT by Godzilla (I am JOE. NO Socialism, NO Obama. I'd rather keep my change and spread it around myself.)
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To: max americana

Prop 8 has just about as much chance of passing in California as McCain has of winning the state. I’m not necessarily happy about it, but that’s the way it is.


21 posted on 10/24/2008 9:17:24 PM PDT by cacoethes_resipisco
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To: utahagen

“I work for a large public corporation that shall remain nameless...”

I retired from a large publicly owned corporation (top 20) that shall also remain nameless...

We had “Diversity Training” which lasted one week. Everyone was required to attend and it was duly noted in personnel folders. I guess anyone who messed up had to go back for another week of indoctrination.

Talk about painful with plenty of us just biting our tongues while “chosen minority attendees” preened and strutted around, exuding their belief that “we got you now, whitey!”

Thank God I’m retired. Things like Diversity Training help me to never regret deciding to grab the retirement brass ring.


22 posted on 10/24/2008 9:18:50 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: cacoethes_resipisco

Don’t count it out yet. Yes on Prop 8 could win due to the huge Hispanic population that don’t go for “that” culture plus it won the last time the the same type of proposition was introduced years ago.
It’s those imbecile lefty judges who will eventually overturn it though.


23 posted on 10/24/2008 9:49:15 PM PDT by max americana
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Apple’s website condemns it and says it has donated $100,000 toward its defeat. Takes some of the shine off my MacBook Pro.


24 posted on 10/24/2008 10:49:12 PM PDT by SalukiLawyer
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To: Godzilla

Even a broken clock can be right twice a day?


25 posted on 10/25/2008 12:14:46 AM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: mlocher
I am glad you concur. I believe that this is the way the argument against same sex marriage should go. Because it is factual. Constitutional Rights will be TAKEN from most Americans to bestow a privilege on the few.
26 posted on 10/25/2008 3:53:38 AM PDT by tuckrdout (~ 'Daily example is the most subtle of poisons.' ~)
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To: HerrBlucher
Gay marriage is over in CA.

I hate being a wet blanket, but I'm afraid you'll just have "marriage" by another name as before - domestic partnerships - with the force of law behind it. The same incrementalism will continue to chip away at traditional moral norms in California, and, I'm afraid to say, much of America by osmosis. It seems when a door is shut against radical leftism, they are already creeping though unguarded windows. We give some ground as a consolation prize when our side wins ("you can't have marriage, but we'll give you civil unions"), only to discover that the battle line has been almost unnoticeably shifted toward us, backing us further into a smaller space.

Unless true Americans actually take back ground - this means RECRIMINALIZING sodomy in those states where it was the law before Lawrence - we can expect to continue to be backed into a corner.

That said, I'll still be overjoyed when Prop 8 passes.

27 posted on 10/25/2008 5:52:36 AM PDT by fwdude
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To: Rembrandt

What if you refused to attend diversity training - on religious grounds?


28 posted on 10/25/2008 5:57:08 AM PDT by fwdude
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To: Rembrandt

What if you refused to attend diversity training - on religious grounds?


29 posted on 10/25/2008 5:59:37 AM PDT by fwdude
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To: utahagen

“Every time you turn around, there’s some Diversity Meeting, and Diversity meeting includes gays”

They can’t force you to attend these brainwashing sessions. Contact “Alliance Defense Fund”. They have defended Christians who are being discriminated against by companies who hold these ‘diversity’ sessions.


30 posted on 10/25/2008 11:24:16 AM PDT by DestinyEagle
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To: DestinyEagle

“They can’t force you to attend these brainwashing sessions.” If I refuse to attend diversity meetings, I will lose my job. My company is laying people off like crazy, so the word is out that you have to do extra fluff stuff like diversity meetings to seem busy. If I tell my boss I won’t do the diversity stuff, I have no doubt that I will be added to the list of people to be laid off. My company will be careful not to link my getting laid off to my refusing to do diversity stuff, and that would work because they’re laying off hundreds of people besides me because business stinks. Even in better economic times, if you go on the record as being wary of the gay stuff, you, at best, have just ensured that you will never be promoted at that company. Further, you will face the same obstacle at virtually all of your companies’ competitors. This really is how bad things are.


31 posted on 10/25/2008 1:12:34 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: fwdude

“What if you refused to attend diversity training - on religious grounds?”

I guess you could press that case but who pays the cost of your legal case? If you win, or the employer caves, have you won a pyrrhic victory? I would guess that to be the case.


32 posted on 10/25/2008 8:07:19 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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