Skip to comments.Rick Warren endorses Prop 8 (California Same Sex Marriage Ban)
Posted on 10/24/2008 8:11:49 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
In his e-mail to his church members he writes: "For 5,000 years, every culture and every religion - not just Christianity - has defined marriage as a contract between men and women, Warren wrote. There is no reason to change the universal, historical definition of marriage to appease 2% of our population.
On the Saddleback site there is video of him discussing the issue, here.
Let's hope this passes in California, and maybe give McCain a boost in the Golden State, too. (I can dream, can't I?)
Good for Rick!
There was a woman on the Bill O’Reilly show tonight saying how many large corporations such as Comcast and AT&T have donated $$$$ to defeated this amendment.
I am glad he is making this stand.
Thank you, Rick Warren!
Homosexual marriage is not about the freedom for some to live as they want—because they are now free to do that-—but it is about forcing an ideology on people who do not want it.
Is is about the government forcing people to live AGAINST their consciences!
It is a matter of taking away the rights of the majority of people, to secure a privilege for a small minority of people, who can secure that their partnership by other means.
It is a matter of destroying the right of religions——not just Christianity by the way-—to teach morality in the way they see fit-—the right of freedom of speech, for people to speak out on issues they hold dear to their hearts-—and Parental rights-—the right to raise your children to share your own morals and values.
It is a matter of taking away the freedom of Americans to think, feel and define their own morality, and define their own communities, their own government; ON the grounds that the GOVERNMENT will now define the doctrines and precepts of religious organizations.
Homosexual marriage gives the government the right to intrude their powers in the area of anciently held and practiced religious doctrines—and to restrain these doctrines, destroys all religious liberty!
Good to see Rick Warren take a stand. I wonder how he will react when he is no longer the media’s favorite Evangelical preacher.
Driving around CA I see lots of yes on 8 signs, and very few no on 8. Prop 8 will pass easily. Gay marriage is over in CA.
Hopefully he used some biblical reasons to support this. If it were 52% I hope he wouldn’t be supporting it.
Bravo, Mr. Warren.
I’m usually a critic of Rick Warren, but you have to give him credit for this, and for the first (and best) debate.
Except with islam, it can be 1 man and many women...(interesting phrasing of his words...almost clintonian)
“Yes” means No to Gay Marriage and “No” means Yes on this proposition. No wonder California is so screwed up!
I’m using the “Bradley Effect” on this one. I tell everyone that I’m voting No, but I’m really voting “Yes” (against gay marriage..)
Extremely well put!!!!! Thanks for putting your thougths into words.
“Driving around CA I see lots of yes on 8 signs, and very few no on 8. Prop 8 will pass easily. Gay marriage is over in CA.”
I saw a bunch of Hispanics with signs saying Yes on Prop. 8 at a busy intersection on the way home last night. I wasn’t counting, but it had to be at least 15+ people.
I haven’t seen a single “No” sign or even received any mailers (I’m an Independent).
I think the “No’s” are relying on the Internet, word-of-mouth and the Hollywood crowd.
The way I see it, the case for Optimism in this Election is found in Prop 8, and in Murtha perchance losing and Mrs. Bachmann stepping up and taking an unpopular stand in the media as well as the Maine “no” to a tax increase as well as the MA abolishment of the State Income Tax ballot initiative.
And of course Sarah Palin on the ticket, we have some brightness to work for unlike in 2006.
And good for Rick Warren, for my .02 cents, he did the best job of handling any form of debate this election season.
I’m in worse shape than you...I live deep in the belly of the beast. Hollywood. NO on prop 8 is within a 5 mile radius.
He did the best of all the debates.
Yay Rick. I love that part about the 2% of the population, too.
Wow, he does realize there are some moral absolutes.
Prop 8 has just about as much chance of passing in California as McCain has of winning the state. I’m not necessarily happy about it, but that’s the way it is.
“I work for a large public corporation that shall remain nameless...”
I retired from a large publicly owned corporation (top 20) that shall also remain nameless...
We had “Diversity Training” which lasted one week. Everyone was required to attend and it was duly noted in personnel folders. I guess anyone who messed up had to go back for another week of indoctrination.
Talk about painful with plenty of us just biting our tongues while “chosen minority attendees” preened and strutted around, exuding their belief that “we got you now, whitey!”
Thank God I’m retired. Things like Diversity Training help me to never regret deciding to grab the retirement brass ring.
Don’t count it out yet. Yes on Prop 8 could win due to the huge Hispanic population that don’t go for “that” culture plus it won the last time the the same type of proposition was introduced years ago.
It’s those imbecile lefty judges who will eventually overturn it though.
Apple’s website condemns it and says it has donated $100,000 toward its defeat. Takes some of the shine off my MacBook Pro.
Even a broken clock can be right twice a day?
I hate being a wet blanket, but I'm afraid you'll just have "marriage" by another name as before - domestic partnerships - with the force of law behind it. The same incrementalism will continue to chip away at traditional moral norms in California, and, I'm afraid to say, much of America by osmosis. It seems when a door is shut against radical leftism, they are already creeping though unguarded windows. We give some ground as a consolation prize when our side wins ("you can't have marriage, but we'll give you civil unions"), only to discover that the battle line has been almost unnoticeably shifted toward us, backing us further into a smaller space.
Unless true Americans actually take back ground - this means RECRIMINALIZING sodomy in those states where it was the law before Lawrence - we can expect to continue to be backed into a corner.
That said, I'll still be overjoyed when Prop 8 passes.
What if you refused to attend diversity training - on religious grounds?
What if you refused to attend diversity training - on religious grounds?
“Every time you turn around, there’s some Diversity Meeting, and Diversity meeting includes gays”
They can’t force you to attend these brainwashing sessions. Contact “Alliance Defense Fund”. They have defended Christians who are being discriminated against by companies who hold these ‘diversity’ sessions.
“They cant force you to attend these brainwashing sessions.” If I refuse to attend diversity meetings, I will lose my job. My company is laying people off like crazy, so the word is out that you have to do extra fluff stuff like diversity meetings to seem busy. If I tell my boss I won’t do the diversity stuff, I have no doubt that I will be added to the list of people to be laid off. My company will be careful not to link my getting laid off to my refusing to do diversity stuff, and that would work because they’re laying off hundreds of people besides me because business stinks. Even in better economic times, if you go on the record as being wary of the gay stuff, you, at best, have just ensured that you will never be promoted at that company. Further, you will face the same obstacle at virtually all of your companies’ competitors. This really is how bad things are.
“What if you refused to attend diversity training - on religious grounds?”
I guess you could press that case but who pays the cost of your legal case? If you win, or the employer caves, have you won a pyrrhic victory? I would guess that to be the case.