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Lost film footage of Edwardian London discovered
Telegraph.co.uk ^ | Oct 24, 2008 | Stephen Adams

Posted on 10/24/2008 9:39:38 PM PDT by 6SJ7

A historian has discovered film footage of Edwardian London that includes fascinating snapshots of people going about their everyday lives.

The film was shot in 1904 as a 'travelogue' for Australians curious about life in what was "one of the most exciting cities anywhere", according to Professor Ian Christie. He discovered the 12 minute reel while trawling through archives in Canberra. Prof Christie said: "It's a rather clever mixture of what we would expect to see - such as the Embankment, Buckingham Palace and Trafalgar Square - but it also has these wonderful close ups of individuals.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: edwardian; film; godsgravesglyphs; london
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This is pretty neat. Movie camera footage from 1904! There is a 1 minute clip from the camera footage included in the story. Except for the lack of sound and being black and white, it's a bit like a time machine.

Hey, at least it's not yet another poll! ;-)

1 posted on 10/24/2008 9:39:39 PM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: 6SJ7

That is pretty cool. I wish I could see more than just the one minute clip!


2 posted on 10/24/2008 9:40:45 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


3 posted on 10/24/2008 9:45:13 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: 6SJ7; blam

Wow! Way Kool!!


4 posted on 10/24/2008 9:48:46 PM PDT by djf (The depression commences. Brother, can you spare a dame?)
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To: 6SJ7
Not a duplicate, but also being discussed here.
5 posted on 10/24/2008 9:49:18 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: 6SJ7

I would love to see it too...London WITHOUT a single mosque.

Times were different back then.


6 posted on 10/24/2008 9:52:23 PM PDT by max americana
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To: 6SJ7

Cool.


7 posted on 10/24/2008 9:56:30 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: max americana

I was just thinking something along those same lines - London when it was still English.


8 posted on 10/24/2008 9:57:36 PM PDT by Aria ("An America that could elect Sarah Palin might still save itself." Vin Suprynowicz)
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To: 6SJ7

Fascinating! It looks just like it does in my head while reading Sherlock Holmes stories.


9 posted on 10/24/2008 9:58:28 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: 6SJ7

“I have often walked... down this street before...”


10 posted on 10/24/2008 10:02:37 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: 6SJ7

I’ve been looking at it. Thinking about things.

There are no motor vehicles. Even the double-decker bus is horse-drawn. The smell of the poo from all those horses must have been overpowering.

None of the people in it, except maybe the baby-in-arms during the girls’ dance, is still alive. Probably not the baby either.

The little boys posing on the bridge and jumping in the river would have been of military age, if not at the outbreak of WWI, then at least at its end. Survivors might have formed the backbone of Britain’s WWII strength.

The only functioning airplane in existence was owned by two brothers in Dayton, Ohio.

Hitler was 15 or 16; his father had just died the previous year, and this year he would drop out of school.

Winston Churchill met his furure wife at a dinner.

I’ll let others add as they see fit.


11 posted on 10/24/2008 10:02:41 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (I'm Right Guard, here to prevent B. O.)
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To: 6SJ7

“Feed the birds, twopence a bag...”


12 posted on 10/24/2008 10:03:14 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: ExGeeEye

Jeez, you are a downer.

And I’m sure half the children you see in the clip died of whooping cough or scarlet fever or measles or polio or tuberculosis before they made it to eighteen.

There, feel better?


13 posted on 10/24/2008 10:05:48 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: 6SJ7

http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=monty+python+old+time+&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv&oi=property_suggestions&resnum=0&ct=property-revision&cd=1#hl=en&emb=0&q=monty%20python%20edwardian

Here is a bit more of that time-

Those WACKY Edwardians~


14 posted on 10/24/2008 10:06:44 PM PDT by DanielRedfoot (What a fool believes, No wise man has the power to reason away)
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To: ExGeeEye

“The people you see here lived in the time of King Edward.

Rich or poor, handsome or ugly, they are all equal now.”


15 posted on 10/24/2008 10:07:12 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: DanielRedfoot

Oops- bad link its the top left Swimming Gala-


16 posted on 10/24/2008 10:08:10 PM PDT by DanielRedfoot (What a fool believes, No wise man has the power to reason away)
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To: SunkenCiv

ping


17 posted on 10/24/2008 10:12:17 PM PDT by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigblood be upon him))
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To: sinanju
What struck me as most interesting was that many of the people in the film seemed to be smiling. This is in contrast to the people photographed in the south around that time period.

I was told by an elderly gentleman years ago that the reason was that if you were photographed smiling, it was thought the people would think you were a fool.

18 posted on 10/24/2008 10:12:53 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: ExGeeEye
None of the people in it, except maybe the baby-in-arms during the girls’ dance, is still alive. Probably not the baby either.
The little boys posing on the bridge and jumping in the river would have been of military age, if not at the outbreak of WWI, then at least at its end. Survivors might have formed the backbone of Britain’s WWII strength.

It is interesting looking back. There it was, just 10 years before The Great War, and as you say, many of those young boys probably fought and died in that war that in 1910 was not even a glimmer on the horizon. It is bittersweet to see those images.

19 posted on 10/24/2008 10:15:40 PM PDT by 6SJ7 (Welcome PUMAs!)
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To: sinanju

I prefer to think that most of them, except war caualties, lived long, productive, even happy lives. The film captures a moment so long ago that anyone over five years old was born in the nineteenth century, and to expect them to last into the 21st would be wishful thinking at best.

Historical perspective is a dish best seasoned with truth, sweet and bitter.


20 posted on 10/24/2008 10:15:58 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (I'm Right Guard, here to prevent B. O.)
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To: Aria

It is amazing how the world has changed in just over 100 years. What a fascinating glimpse into the past. I would love to see the whole clip.


21 posted on 10/24/2008 10:16:30 PM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: 6SJ7

I find it interesting that this clip doesn’t make everyone look like they’re going 100 mph like most film of that era.


22 posted on 10/24/2008 10:18:05 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY (guess I'm just a spudboy)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Well, for most formal portrait photographs just about anywhere in the world during this time, it seemed like you were expected to put on an expression like you had just passed a porcupine...

That’s what gives the film clips their special informal, spontaneous quality.


23 posted on 10/24/2008 10:19:56 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: DanielRedfoot

That’s wild. Those guys would fit right in on any of today’s reality shows.


24 posted on 10/24/2008 10:20:02 PM PDT by 6SJ7 (Welcome PUMAs!)
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To: GATOR NAVY

That would be the result of taking film that had been hand-cranked through a camera at 12-15 fps and running it through a motorized projector at 18 or even 24 fps.


25 posted on 10/24/2008 10:22:21 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (I'm Right Guard, here to prevent B. O.)
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To: 6SJ7

Bump for later viewing.


26 posted on 10/24/2008 10:22:37 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: 6SJ7

HAha! Ya know I thought the exact same thing.

Funny how nothing ever seems to change ...

Cheers


27 posted on 10/24/2008 10:26:03 PM PDT by DanielRedfoot (What a fool believes, No wise man has the power to reason away)
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To: GATOR NAVY

“...doesn’t make everyone look like they’re going 100 mph like most film of that era.”

My old man splurged for their honeymoon trip back in 1939 and bought a home movie camera. Of course my old man was a lot smarter than most folks, so in order to make it look “normal” he had my mom (and him) move VEEERRRRY slowly - walking around the hotel suite, sitting on the bed, brushing her hair, etc.

Of course when they got it developed (or whatever they did with those long spools of film) it showed them doing everything in slow motion! My 90 year old mom can barely tell that story due to all of her laughing!


28 posted on 10/24/2008 10:29:38 PM PDT by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant, Never Fearful)
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To: 6SJ7

Someone in that clip could have sailed on the Titanic in 1912.


29 posted on 10/24/2008 10:39:12 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Todd Palin autographed my tee-shirt 10/18 at NRA rally at N.Versailles PA Sportsmen's Club.)
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To: 6SJ7
Very kewl!!

My first thought was the opening scene to "My Fair Lady" ... and anyone that has worked horses can appreciate how markets were worked back in those days.

Fascinating.

30 posted on 10/24/2008 10:50:33 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: Aria
"Why, in America they haven't spoken it in years."

Line spoken by Rex Harrison in "My Fair Lady" bemoaning the cockney accent in England and the 'loss' of the English language.

31 posted on 10/24/2008 10:53:06 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: ExGeeEye

I suspected the reason was something like that but I wasn’t sure. Thanks.


32 posted on 10/24/2008 11:41:44 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY (guess I'm just a spudboy)
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To: 21twelve

Ha! Good story.


33 posted on 10/24/2008 11:43:14 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY (guess I'm just a spudboy)
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To: 6SJ7

The Brits had a hop in their step, and why not? Britannia ruled the waves, and the sun never set on the British Empire!


34 posted on 10/24/2008 11:55:28 PM PDT by Judges Gone Wild
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To: 6SJ7
Near the end of the clip there is a large sign visible, an ad that says "Bovril Vinolia."

As I had no idea what Bovril Vinolia meant, I looked it up.

Vinolia was a soap, manufactured by Pears. You can still buy it: The Soap of the Titanic

Bovril was a beef extract, originally called "Johnston's Fluid Beef." While something called Bovril is still manufactured, it sounds like the product succumbed to modernity in 2004. From Wikipedia:

In November 2004, the manufacturers, Unilever, announced that the composition of Bovril was being changed from beef to a yeast extract, both in the hope of allaying fears of bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), and to make the product suitable for vegetarians and vegans. According to Unilever, "in blind taste tests, 10% didn't notice any difference in taste, 40% preferred the original and 50% preferred the new product."

35 posted on 10/25/2008 12:07:30 AM PDT by TChad
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To: 6SJ7

Wow. Fantastic!


36 posted on 10/25/2008 12:10:04 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: ExGeeEye
None of the people in it, except maybe the baby-in-arms during the girls’ dance, is still alive. Probably not the baby either.

I have a reel of 16mm home movie film from around 1946 from a friend's attic; the people in it are probably relatives of her late husband, but she has no contact info. I wonder what the best way is of tracking down people in movies? The children in the movie would be getting old, but they could still be alive.

Old candid movies are neat. They provide a glimpse into another era.

37 posted on 10/25/2008 12:37:36 AM PDT by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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To: sinanju
Well, for most formal portrait photographs just about anywhere in the world during this time, it seemed like you were expected to put on an expression like you had just passed a porcupine...

Portrait photographs often used exposure times measured in seconds. Any movement would blur the shot. Maybe some people could hold a smile sufficiently motionless to take a good picture, but less cheerful expressions were easier to keep still.

38 posted on 10/25/2008 12:42:16 AM PDT by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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To: ExGeeEye

Actually for a brief moment you can see a “horseless carriage” in the very first sequence maneuvering between the wagons.

Other things come to mind—notice how many people are walking, unlike our modern times where most people are moving by car. The scenes are just packed with people. Gives you a whole different feeling for what living in an urban area then must have been like.

Also fascinating is the scene where you can see a train complete with steam locomotive moving on an elevated rail system. It must have been much noisier than we probably think of those times as being. (And smellier, as you’ve pointed out.)

Finally, watching the people closely is fun. The one who cracks me up the most is the young man with big moustache who starts clowning for the camera. And watch the little boy on the bridge doing the same thing.

Here’s a similar thing from almost the same time period: riding on a streetcar in Berkeley in 1906. If you watch this one closely, you will see they had wackos in Berkeley even back then:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK9CekGF3Ho

Wonder what the story behind all that was?!? Bonus points if you recognize where in Berkeley the streetcar is (the road still looks like that, except without the streetcars of course).


39 posted on 10/25/2008 12:58:03 AM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: TChad

I’m happy to say Bovril is still going strong there is nothing quite like a cup of boiling hot bovril with a big dash of pepper in it at a football (soccer to you heathens!) match during the winter warms the cockles of your heart so and it does.


40 posted on 10/25/2008 2:51:46 AM PDT by MadMitch
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To: All

Bump


41 posted on 10/25/2008 3:22:17 AM PDT by youturn (I'm learning to draw a fish. I suggest you do too.)
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To: 6SJ7

Saw the clip. Its really beautiful.


42 posted on 10/25/2008 3:26:47 AM PDT by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: TChad
"Johnston's Fluid Beef."

Yummy!

43 posted on 10/25/2008 3:50:46 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: 6SJ7
A number of times I have seen a film clip from Queen Victoria's funeral procession in 1903. I always had the impression that this was one of the earliest movies made but apparently the film industry was about ten years old by that point.
44 posted on 10/25/2008 4:17:24 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: supercat

I would start with something as simple as a current phone book of jer late husband’s hometown. If she can remember married names of his sister(s) if any or his mother’s maiden name, look up those as well....

My mom did genealogy for years as a hobby, and found some descendants of our ancestors— and more information— basically cold calling people of the same name in the target area. Works best if the name is a little unique (like a Scarpelli in a sea of Vanderhoogs, rather than a Smith).

My cousin recently got some old silent color 8mm from the family of our grandfather’s brother. Included was a party for our gt.grandparent’s wedding anniversary in 1954. When we screened it, I knew very few— my cousin was better at IDing folks— but I recognized my dad (d.1999) at the age of 16, goofing off for the camera.


45 posted on 10/25/2008 5:38:37 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (I'm Right Guard, here to prevent B. O.)
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To: kaehurowing
Also fascinating is the scene where you can see a train complete with steam locomotive moving on an elevated rail system. It must have been much noisier than we probably think of those times as being. (And smellier, as you’ve pointed out.)

The area immediately around London had had shallow underground trains (steam powered) for about 40 years, and London itself had just added the first deep-tunnel electric underground trains.

46 posted on 10/25/2008 10:45:10 AM PDT by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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To: wideminded
...but apparently the film industry was about ten years old by that point.

There were even some "trick" films being done before the turn of the century; my favorite is L'home de têtes (1898), a film which would be hard to re-create without CGI.

47 posted on 10/25/2008 10:50:39 AM PDT by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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To: Founding Father

Thanks Founding Father!

Edwardian London Comes to Life (Amazing Movie footage from 1904)
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Oops, and thanks Fiddlstix!
49 posted on 10/25/2008 11:48:26 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, October 11, 2008 !!!)
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