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Obama, McCain: U.S. citizens
Chicago Tribune's Washington Bureau ^ | 10/25/08 | Mark Silva

Posted on 10/25/2008 8:52:33 AM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD

One of the more tiring duelling refrains of the presidential campaign is that: 1) John McCain was not born in the United States, and cannot, under the Constitution, serve as president, and, 2) Barack Obama says he was born in Hawaii, but cannot show a birth certificate. As tired as the line of reasoning on both fronts may be, it keeps showing up in the reader-comments on postings here in the Swamp. So we're here this morning, a little more than a week from the election of the 44th presient of the United States, to assure readers that both of the candidates for president of the leading parties are Americans. Amazing, but true, the candidates are Americans. McCain was born to American parents, his father serving as a submariner in the U.S. Navy at the Coco Solo base in the Panama Canal Zone when and where young John Sidney McCain III was born. Barack Hussein Obama II -- and yes, he actually has joked that he got his middle name from people who never thought he'd be running for president -- was born in Hawaii, in 1961, and has a birth certificate to show for it. So now, go vote early. For an American. And knock of the citizenship stuff..

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1 posted on 10/25/2008 8:52:33 AM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

But...what IF the BC is a fake?


2 posted on 10/25/2008 8:54:21 AM PDT by queenkathy (Pray 4 Josh... www.carepages.com ( joshuaourwarrior) brain injury from allergy shot)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

Notice how Obama’s camp is telling everyone to vote early. It almost seems like he knows serious dirt is going to emerge before election day.


3 posted on 10/25/2008 8:54:44 AM PDT by Asceticon
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

That’s weird, McCain proved he was a US citizen, did I miss the Obama proof. Sort of like the one page medical records summary. The naive One wants to hide the hard drug use and rehab, yeah that one.


4 posted on 10/25/2008 8:55:25 AM PDT by Tarpon (Barack Obama will ban all the guns he has the votes for ...)
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To: queenkathy

Never mind the b/c. He lost his US citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia.


5 posted on 10/25/2008 8:55:51 AM PDT by Asceticon
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

McCain has proven it. Obama gives us doctored copies of a birth certificate that may or may not be real and blocks any attempt at seeing the original.


6 posted on 10/25/2008 8:57:13 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Paying taxes for bank bailouts is apparently the patriotic thing to do. [/sarc])
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To: cripplecreek

The Obamanatiohn has made putsch come to shove..


7 posted on 10/25/2008 8:58:20 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Tarpon

Weird, we can look at Obama’s medical records but they wont release his official Birth Certificate?


8 posted on 10/25/2008 8:58:28 AM PDT by BGHater (The GOP, the new DNC.)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

I notice how he uses the liberal tactic of equivalency here. He’s saying that there have been controversies about both candidates eligibility to run for president. McCain’s situation of being born in the Canal Zone, which was an American possession at the time, is far different than the situation with Obama allegedly being born in Kenya.

That’s liberals for you. They try to nullify any criticism of Obama on this issue by saying that McCain has to deal with the same issue.


9 posted on 10/25/2008 8:59:09 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD
Barack Hussein Obama II -- and yes, he actually has joked that he got his middle name from people who never thought he'd be running for president -- was born in Hawaii, in 1961, and has a birth certificate to show for it.

We've seen McCain's Birth Certificate. All we've seen from Obama -- assuming it's not a fraud -- is a computer print-out of a "Certification of Live Birth," NOT a "Birth Certificate." The Chicago Tribune writes as if it has seen the actual Obama Birth Certificate. If they have, are they willing to file an affidavit to that effect with the court? Why is Obama unwilling to share that actual vault copy of his Birth Certificate with the nation that he wants to elect him?

I'm willing to accept that they're both "Americans." But are they both qualified to run for, and hold, the office of President of the United States? It takes more than just being an "American" to do that, you know. Or do you?
10 posted on 10/25/2008 8:59:18 AM PDT by TexasGreg ("Democrats Piss Me Off")
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To: Asceticon

One needs to provide a birth certificate to get a U.S. passport. How did Obama get a passport?

If he was born overseas, and/or lost his citizenship when adopted in Indonesia, then didn’t he have to become a naturalized citizen to regain his citizenship at some point? And wouldn’t he have had to provide that paperwork to get his passport?

I think his passport file would contain some answers to these questions.


11 posted on 10/25/2008 9:01:18 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

In other words, “Nothing to see here, move along now.”

Suddenly I feel much better!


12 posted on 10/25/2008 9:01:52 AM PDT by Deo volente
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To: BGHater

He hasn’t even released all of his medical records.


13 posted on 10/25/2008 9:02:51 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: Deo volente
Maybe they should have a dance off?
Unbelievable McCain Vs. Obama Dance-Off - Watch more free videos
14 posted on 10/25/2008 9:04:03 AM PDT by Wild Willy
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To: BGHater
Weird, we can look at Obama’s medical records

Nope only got a one page doctor summary from The naive One. Even Gretta said that was patently unfair and she was going to pursue it with Obama.

Sarah released all her medical records after being hounded for weeks, records for even her pregnancies were released.

I am curious how the drug issue is handled in Obama's medical records. What was the recovery like from the cocaine habit he wrote about in his book.

15 posted on 10/25/2008 9:04:18 AM PDT by Tarpon (Barack Obama will ban all the guns he has the votes for ...)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD
The five-pointed red star, a pentagram without the inner pentagon, is a symbol of communism as well as broader socialism in general. It is sometimes understood to represent the five fingers of the worker's hand, as well as the five continents. A lesser known suggestion is that the five points on the star were intended to represent the five social groups that would lead Russia to communism: the youth, the military, the industrial labourers, the agricultural workers or peasantry, and the intelligentsia. Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels used the red star as a symbol[citation needed]. It was also one of the emblems, symbols, and signals representing the Soviet Union under the rule and guidance of the Communist Party, along with the hammer and sickle. The star has since become a symbol. The red star is embedded in obama's logos everywhere. WAKE UP AMERICA!!! http://www.democratnationalcommittee.com/candidates/barack_obama.htm?gclid=COTRgvrYwpYCFQykagodZj8FygtAmericans
16 posted on 10/25/2008 9:04:21 AM PDT by jackv
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

Hmm. The Word has gone out from the Chosen One to say there is nothing here to see.

The preferred treatment of such matters as the missing birth certificate, and Obama’s refusal to produce it, is to ignore the whole matter and sweep it under the rug.

The mainstream press has occasionally suggested that McCain, born in Hawaii, is not a citizen, even though the law says that he is, and congress has agreed. But they have steadfastly ignored the birth certificate question.

Looks like it must be heating up to the point where they need some damage control. Next, another fake COLB? Or a court order from a crooked Chicago judge to the Hawaiain authorities to come up with a new and improved COLB?

Time is running out, so Obama will just try to stonewall until he is in office. Then he can send any doubters of his Messiahship to reeducation camps.


17 posted on 10/25/2008 9:06:41 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD
One of the more tiring duelling refrains of the presidential campaign is that:

McCain is Bush. Bush is McCain

18 posted on 10/25/2008 9:07:52 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: BGHater

Obama never did release his medical records, just a one page letter from his Dr. saying his health is good.


19 posted on 10/25/2008 9:07:57 AM PDT by Lynda
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To: Tarpon

My birth certificate has the name of the doctor who delivered me and that seems standard on all birth certificates. I wonder why we haven’t heard who the doctor is that delivered Obama.


20 posted on 10/25/2008 9:07:59 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Paying taxes for bank bailouts is apparently the patriotic thing to do. [/sarc])
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To: jackv

I saw this star on a shirt worn by Bill Ayers when a reporter (unsuccessfully) tried to ask him questions... I think the reporter was from the O’Reilly show..... anyway - look at his t-shirt under the jacket - same star!!!


21 posted on 10/25/2008 9:08:11 AM PDT by Momto2
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

It’s not a real argument, because McCain was born in the Canal Zone, a US territory at the time. On top of that, a US military or diplomatic installation (including a ship) is part of the United States. This has already been resolved.

If Obama didn’t have anything to worry about, he’d have shown his birth certificate.

That said, there’s not enough time or enough will to pursue this, and people who are hoping we are going to avoid this disaster on a technicality are, unfortunately, wasting their time. Barry, or whatever he’s calling himself at the moment, is probably not eligible to the President of the United States. But that doesn’t matter to the right people.


22 posted on 10/25/2008 9:08:21 AM PDT by livius
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To: TexasGreg
"and has a birth certificate to show "

If he has it "to show," why hasn't he shown it? Who's the dummy-on-purpose at The Swamp?

23 posted on 10/25/2008 9:08:37 AM PDT by cookcounty (Sarah and Todd Palin : They're more like us than we are.)
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To: BGHater

He only released a one page statement from a Dr for his medical records. That’s nothing...


24 posted on 10/25/2008 9:08:48 AM PDT by queenkathy (Pray 4 Josh... www.carepages.com ( joshuaourwarrior) brain injury from allergy shot)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD
To Mark Silva, Chicago Tribune:

Thank you for clearing this up for me. I was worried that Obama just might not be eligible to run for the presidency since he won't turn over ANY birth certificate to that Pennsylvania judge. But since you have personally assured me of his citizenship (using the now discredited Photoshopped document), I now have no worries. /sarcasm

Silva is an idiot writing for other idiots.

25 posted on 10/25/2008 9:10:40 AM PDT by A. Patriot (CZ 52's ROCK)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

Why would you urge folks looking into this to “knock it off”?

There are several lawsuits underway over this.

Of course the ObamAyers campaign wants us to “knock it off”.

Why give them what they want?


26 posted on 10/25/2008 9:12:20 AM PDT by FTL
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD
The green certificate is only a certificate attesting to the fact that the original cert resides in the HI hall of records (or wherever they keep such documents).

This is not the original birth document. However, the green cert may be admissible in court as proof of place of birth. We'll never see the original.

27 posted on 10/25/2008 9:13:14 AM PDT by Read2Know ("A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." S. Freud)
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To: cripplecreek

There are a whole lot of fish in the Obama kettle the media would rather we not see.

Democracy cannot survive this type of blackout.


28 posted on 10/25/2008 9:14:20 AM PDT by Tarpon (Barack Obama will ban all the guns he has the votes for ...)
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To: cookcounty
If he has it "to show," why hasn't he shown it?

The "COLB" "shown" was shown to be a fake.......

Fishy......hiding something Barry?

29 posted on 10/25/2008 9:14:20 AM PDT by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
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To: A. Patriot

Didn’t the Chicago Tribune endorse Obama last week?


30 posted on 10/25/2008 9:15:01 AM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD (Airlines can take their $15-per-checked-bag surcharge and shove it!)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD
Is there an email address that we can send comments to?

Obviously the author is not familiar with Hi birth certificates or the professional who have stated it is a fraud.

31 posted on 10/25/2008 9:15:40 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Acorn, Africa,Alinsky, Ayers,....BroadwayBank,Bastard child,Birthcert......now to the "C"s ;-))
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To: Momto2

The five pointed red star was a symbol of Communism. I knew many people in NY and SF in the 1960s and 70s and even early 80s who wore this five pointed red star (it went with singing “The East is Red,” the Communist Chinese anthem). Sometimes they wore their Che t-shirts with it, sometimes not.

I didn’t realize Ayers was still wearing one. Barry probably has one tattooed on his butt. Or maybe lower back.

This supports my contention that we are being attacked, 40 years later, by a blast from the past, the 1960s radicals who were foolishly forgiven of their crimes and have used the time to infiltrate and build their forces.

Remember, Chavez tried to take over the government of VZ and was imprisoned but unfortunately not executed; when he emerged again (and I can’t remember why he was released), he managed to take over VZ the second time around.


32 posted on 10/25/2008 9:15:54 AM PDT by livius
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To: cookcounty
If he has it "to show," why hasn't he shown it? Who's the dummy-on-purpose at The Swamp?

I agree ... if he has it to show, why hasn't he shown it??
33 posted on 10/25/2008 9:16:16 AM PDT by TexasGreg ("Democrats Piss Me Off")
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To: Momto2
I am trying to inundate the threads with this message. I think they are clearly socialists and he and ayres are duping the American people!!!! They are probably even laughing at what dupes so many Americans are!!!
34 posted on 10/25/2008 9:16:23 AM PDT by jackv
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To: Dilbert San Diego
One needs to provide a birth certificate to get a U.S. passport. How did Obama get a passport?

J.D. Hayworth addressed that question on his show this week. Apparently, congress-critters don't have to show a valid birth certificate to get a passport.

35 posted on 10/25/2008 9:16:37 AM PDT by Mogollon
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

Nothing to see here, move along...


36 posted on 10/25/2008 9:20:01 AM PDT by New Day Coming (Keep the money, send me evenings and weekends...)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD
McCain proved he is a US citizen..Obama the liar has not.Since when is race listed as African on bc? wow Obama does think America is dumb and it seems most are.GEZZZZ
37 posted on 10/25/2008 9:20:02 AM PDT by alfredbutts
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To: BGHater

Well, we haven’t seen his medical records. Just a letter from his doctor.


38 posted on 10/25/2008 9:20:42 AM PDT by The Californian
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To: Momto2

I saw this star on a shirt worn by Bill Ayers when a reporter (unsuccessfully) tried to ask him questions... I think the reporter was from the O’Reilly show..... anyway - look at his t-shirt under the jacket - same star!!!

I saw that too. There’s a video on youtube somewhere. Same red commie star.


39 posted on 10/25/2008 9:21:12 AM PDT by Unkosified (What do Osama and Obama have in common? They both have friends that bombed the Pentagon.)
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To: queenkathy

The BC may not be a fake. Hawaii will issue a BC to a child born to an American parent in a foreign country. I don’t know why Obama’s relatives would fabricate a claim to have been in the hospital when he was born in Kenya.


40 posted on 10/25/2008 9:22:14 AM PDT by NavVet ( If you don't defend Conservatism in the Primaries, you won't have it to defend in November)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

One needs to provide a birth certificate to get a U.S. passport. How did Obama get a passport?

If he was born overseas, and/or lost his citizenship when adopted in Indonesia, then didn’t he have to become a naturalized citizen to regain his citizenship at some point? And wouldn’t he have had to provide that paperwork to get his passport?

I think his passport file would contain some answers to these questions.


The short form Hawaii Certification of Live Birth that appears in scanned in form on the factcheck.org website is all that is needed to receive a passport or a social security card as it is the only birth certificate that the state of Hawaii issues.
At the bottom of the certificate it says: “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.” (HRS 338-13(b), 338-19.)
The original version of Barack Hussein Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth (#151 1961-010641) is on file with the state of Hawaii Department of Health. Obama obtained a copy of it from them on June 6, 2007.
The copy of the original that has been posted on the internet on various web sites was stamped and dated as having been issued on June 6, 2007 by Alvin T. Onaka, Hawaii state registrar and it contains Onaka’s official seal and stamp.
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_3.jpg
This issue is a distraction from the legitimate and much more serious campaign issues and will lead nowhere.


41 posted on 10/25/2008 9:23:02 AM PDT by jamese777
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To: Momto2

I noticed the red star as well.


42 posted on 10/25/2008 9:23:50 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Paying taxes for bank bailouts is apparently the patriotic thing to do. [/sarc])
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To: jamese777
This issue is a distraction from the legitimate and much more serious campaign issues and will lead nowhere.

So don't let it distract you and go away.
43 posted on 10/25/2008 9:25:31 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Paying taxes for bank bailouts is apparently the patriotic thing to do. [/sarc])
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To: cripplecreek

This issue is a distraction from the legitimate and much more serious campaign issues and will lead nowhere.

So don’t let it distract you and go away.


No.


44 posted on 10/25/2008 9:28:58 AM PDT by jamese777
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

One difference however, McCain was born in to a real family and Obama was not!


45 posted on 10/25/2008 9:29:33 AM PDT by Calif4Bush (Proud Moosehead)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/25/narn-the-10-days-out-edition-with-live-video-streaming/

NARN, the 10 Days Out Edition (with live video streaming!)


46 posted on 10/25/2008 9:30:29 AM PDT by roses of sharon (When the enemy comes in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD will put him to flight (Isaiah 59:19)
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C’mon guys: the citizenship stuff is a diversion. We should be focusing on Obama’s multiple ties to folks who hate our country and our way of life. We should be trolling his self-serving books for all the embarrassing things he wrote. This is a guy who has said publicly we ought not drill for our own oil because foreigners don't like the fact that we use too much energy.
Obama’s mom was an American, although perhaps not a very good one. Another one world socialist. But she was a citizen. So her son was a “natural born” citizen, even if he was born on the moon. One of our children was born in Argentina, while I, an American citizen, was on a business assignment there. He is no less American than my kids who were born in the USA.
47 posted on 10/25/2008 9:30:57 AM PDT by Godwin1 (C'mon folks! The citizenship stuff)
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To: jamese777

Ok fine stay and enjoy because we’re going to continue to talk about it and we’re going to ignore “fact” check.


48 posted on 10/25/2008 9:31:31 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Paying taxes for bank bailouts is apparently the patriotic thing to do. [/sarc])
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To: jamese777

So why didn’t they just submit a vault copy to the court, as McCain did and get past this?


49 posted on 10/25/2008 9:33:46 AM PDT by The Californian
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

We decided to set up a new website over this weekend called “The Obama Disaster.com” to highlight all of the reasons why the election of Obama as President is a very, very bad idea!! We need everyone’s help to gather all of the articles and information about the effects upon the stock market, the economy, small businesses, lost jobs, more mortgage defaults, home prices, taxes, your 401(k), mandatory health care, more liberal programs, more government, the Supreme Court, marriage, religious freedom, free speech, less freedom, etc.


50 posted on 10/25/2008 9:34:12 AM PDT by Stayfree (i)
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