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Days of rage: There's something happening here (David Reinhard)
The Oregonian ^ | October 25, 2008 | David Reinhard

Posted on 10/26/2008 9:05:33 AM PDT by jazusamo

There's battle lines being drawn Nobody's right if everybody's wrong -- Buffalo Springfield

What is happening to us? What explains the boorishness, hate and even violence that increasingly mark our politics?

No, this isn't another prissy commentary on "negative" ads -- another high-sounding homily on how we ought to focus on "the issues," by which the writer means "the issues that I think voters should focus on." Nor is this a screed against demonstrations, however boisterous, or some young fools' lawn-sign stealing. There's no interest here in trampling on free-speech rights or spitting into the wind of what must be a rite of passage.

What troubles me -- what should trouble us all -- is the outbreak of largely liberal intolerance we've seen over the last few elections, and especially this one.

Something's happening here, and it's getting scary.

We've had two 23-year-old males here tossing Molotov cocktails to burn down Gene Scrutton's John McCain sign in the Sellwood neighborhood.

In Minnesota, graffiti messages ("u r a criminal resign or else") were spray-painted on the garage of U.S. Sen. Norm Coleman's St. Paul home.

A 23-year-old Michigan man, a Democrat, has admitted to plotting to detonate a homemade bomb in the tunnels near the Republican convention.

In the Washington, D.C., suburbs, a motel with a McCain sign on its lawn received threatening calls and a McCain-signed pumpkin patch was vandalized.

In central Florida, the Republican headquarters manager told police he believed that his home with two McCain signs was shot up because of his support for McCain.

It doesn't involve physical violence, threatened or real, but "The Daily Show" host Jon Stewart's "[expletive] you" to Sarah Palin in a recent comedy (?) act suggests how far we've gone in the age of the unhinged.

Yes, I know this stuff runs both ways. Here in Oregon, we had the hanging of an Obama cut-out at Newberg's George Fox University. The Washington Post reports that Obama signs in Alexandria, Va., were painted with racist epithets. We learned Friday that a McCain campaign worker's claim that she was beaten up and had the letter "B" cut into her face because her car had a McCain sticker was a hoax. Such deranged doings are just as appalling when it comes from the right, though my sense is that this hate-filled intolerance more often comes out of left field.

I also know we're a big country, and a few goof-balls do not a national trend make. But I don't think I'm committing sociology based on a few incidents. We're talking about more than a few beer-addled goofballs here.

A young friend of mine was working for the Bush campaign in 2004. One weekend he left his car outside a friend's Eugene house for safekeeping while he was out of town. Upon returning, he noticed the "W" sticker had been removed from his car. Hey, buddy, you were supposed to take care of my car, he said to his friend. Oh, yeah, his friend said, my father did that when he was here this weekend. He couldn't stand a student having a Bush sticker on his car.

Now, mind you, this wasn't a practical joke. The father was dead serious, and he wasn't some ne'er-do-well with a six-pack of beer aboard. He was an immaculately credentialed Portland professional who also headed a major community organization.

I love politics and public policy, but the ugliness, the anger, the coarseness and even the threats of violence I've experienced as a conservative opinion-writer in achingly "tolerant" Portland have contributed to my decision to leave the business after this election. My heart was starting to harden -- do we conservatives not have hearts, do we not bleed? -- and I didn't want that to happen.

I joked at first about some of it. When a reader sent me my column covered with dried feces, I looked on the bright side. He could have said he wouldn't .... on my column. I took comfort in the fact law officers visited the Iraq War foe (a peace advocate!) and the liberal critic (a Portland public school teacher!) who threatened my family. But the constant expletive-laced rants, the nifty Nazi-Hitler-German references, the holier-than-thou hate for any opposing view from the half-informed -- well, it's not what our public discourse should be about. It wasn't in a better age. If I sometimes responded in kind (and I did), forgive me.

What accounts for this rage? Maybe it's that so many feel the White House was stolen from them eight years ago. Maybe they just feel entitled to rule. (Dude, where's my country?) Maybe it's the Iraq War. Or George Bush, though many lefties have worked themselves into the same derangement syndrome over Palin. Maybe the cause is deeper. I don't know. I only know it's not a good thing for civil society.

Obama's not my candidate -- McCain is -- but, if he's elected on Nov. 4, Obama will be my president and I'll be happy to cheer two things. One, the fact that the United States has, at long last, elected an African-American president. Two, the possibility that Obama's election might deliver us from this nastiness. I think it's called the audacity of hope.

Comic Jon Stewart


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I'm sorry to see David Reinhard is leaving the business, he is one of the few Conservative writers we have here in the Northwest.
1 posted on 10/26/2008 9:05:34 AM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

VERY well said. Indeed, a small minority, on both sides, are stoking what is quickly becoming a civil war. I have friends on both sides of the aisle and we are able to get together, talk football, etc. abd generally enjoy each other’s company.


2 posted on 10/26/2008 9:08:44 AM PDT by Klepto
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To: Klepto

I am sure not going to be the modern day Hank Reardon for the communist scum. I prefer the John Galt solution.


3 posted on 10/26/2008 9:11:39 AM PDT by screaminsunshine
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To: jazusamo
"...if he's elected on Nov. 4, Obama will be my president"

He won't be mine.

"Obama's election might deliver us from this nastiness."

Ha! You should know lefties better than that.

4 posted on 10/26/2008 9:13:36 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: jazusamo
"the possibility that Obama's election might deliver us from this nastiness. I think it's called the audacity of hope"

Don't count on this for a moment, Mr. Reinhard! The rage and depravity of the left goes so far beyond the election of any one candidate or set of candidates. The vicious leftists will not rest until they have completed the project of turning the USA into a socialist nanny state with conservatives relegated to a few powerless token representatives, if that.

5 posted on 10/26/2008 9:14:25 AM PDT by Enchante (The real "bitter clingers" are on the LEFT -- ranting Obamabots clinging to delusions!!)
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To: Klepto
I couldn't agree more. Politics is politics, nothing more. I don't have the same religion as my best friends, I may not share the same views on child rearing, I might share their views about diet and exercise, but they are my friends and they are Americans. We don't need a civil war to turnaround an election result--and all this silly hyperbole that this time it's different and if 0 wins we will never get a chance again is just downright idiocy. If 0 wins and if he tries to grab power then we will react. Two things I strongly believe in
1. Facts rule the day and
2. United we stand.

And all this "that's not what the other side believes talk gets us nowhere. It's not what a tiny fringe on either side believes. Tiny. Fringe.
6 posted on 10/26/2008 9:14:49 AM PDT by itsPatAmerican
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To: Klepto

I was annoyed to find that somebody had scraped the “Women for McCain-Palin” bumper sticker off my car last night. But that’s ok, I just stuck on another one. I have a supply...


7 posted on 10/26/2008 9:16:22 AM PDT by livius
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To: jazusamo

I think the country is split into two halves that increasingly realize they are not compatible with each other.


8 posted on 10/26/2008 9:17:19 AM PDT by Scutter
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To: jazusamo

His friend’s Dad prolly did him a favor. If the “W” had stayed, he might be minus a windshield.


9 posted on 10/26/2008 9:17:47 AM PDT by Roccus (Someday it'll all make sense.............maybe.)
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To: BenLurkin

I think Obama’s election (let’s pray it doesn’t happen!) will be just the beginning of the nastiness. For one thing, Obama and the left, who are nothing if not vindictive, will be looking for payback against everyone who criticized them.

And for the first time, I think I’d have to say he wouldn’t be my president, either. He hates America. I’ll just have to keep my head down and my mouth shut for 4 years.


10 posted on 10/26/2008 9:18:24 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius
That's is so wrong. What happened to "I might not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend with my life you're right to say it."

I do believe that it is a small active minority acting this way, but it's unacceptable.
11 posted on 10/26/2008 9:18:42 AM PDT by itsPatAmerican
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To: jazusamo
Maybe they just feel entitled to rule.

That's it in a nutshell.

The only thing stopping them from outright soviet like tactics is the second amendment.

Once that goes, the Obama reeducation camps will be loads of fun singing “We’re gonna spread happiness! We’re gonna spread freeeeeeedom! Obama…”

12 posted on 10/26/2008 9:20:21 AM PDT by Popman (Dont worry Barney Frank has your ass-ets covered!!!)
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To: jazusamo
I'll be happy to cheer two things. One, the fact that the United States has, at long last, elected an African-American president.

His color is his only qualification for the presidency. I'd sooner elect a lump of coal.

13 posted on 10/26/2008 9:21:36 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: livius

I think you’re right. We have to make an all out effort to work against him being elected.


14 posted on 10/26/2008 9:23:35 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: jazusamo
What accounts for this rage? Maybe it's that so many feel the White House was stolen from them eight years ago. Maybe they just feel entitled to rule. (Dude, where's my country?) Maybe it's the Iraq War. Or George Bush, though many lefties have worked themselves into the same derangement syndrome over Palin. Maybe the cause is deeper. I don't know. I only know it's not a good thing for civil society.

This is the New Left in action. 40 years of socialist revolution. They have gone from being the agitators in the streets buring down the armory, shooting up police cars, robbing banks, blowing up the Pentagon, meeting with the North Vietnamese military to pledge their support (a clear act of treason), to BEING the movers and shakers of the modern DNC and anchors of the national media.

They DO feel entitled to the power. They are still dishonest about their Marxist ideology. But they still honor it.

Oddly enough, it is the New Left that also caused Lyndon LaRouche to become critical of the Democrat party while at the same time continuing to run as a Democrat.

15 posted on 10/26/2008 9:26:48 AM PDT by weegee (If we're gonna share wealth, those earning > $1 a month are going to have to share with the world.)
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To: jazusamo

The entire character and modus operandi of today’s leftists
(starting with Clinton in ‘92) has shocked even me, and I started as one in the late 60s, though within a year or so, became thoroughly disenchanted. They’ve had nearly twenty years to perfect their techniques, and have gone through any number of phases, but their hallmark is always
bullying, intimidation, willful misrepresentation of the truth,bringing demagoguery to EVERY issue, and the cultivation of the next generation of “useful idiots”. Obama’s candidacy is just an extension of Clinton’s 8 years of dysfunction, and the Clintons are too stupid to know that they paved the way for their own demise, so they’re left with nothing to do but save face by going out bravely and pretending to “enthusiastically” campaign for him.
They too think they are extending their careers by their willingness to swallow hard, and take the only option that seems to be open: possible positions in a new Obama administration. They don’t know McCain is going to win: they’d have been FAR better off to campaign for McCain.


16 posted on 10/26/2008 9:26:51 AM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: jazusamo

The animosity from the left has become so virulent that the left is ready, willing, and with Obama in the White House, able, to deny fundamental constitutional freedoms to what it views as obstructionist conservatives. The ‘tolerant’ left will not tolerate criticism or dissent. If we don’t cling to our guns, religion and freedom to speak, we will lose them all in the next four years, and no one on the left will bat an eye or raise a finger in our defense.


17 posted on 10/26/2008 9:28:54 AM PDT by Spok (The Sinopian Sage)
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To: jazusamo

David Reinhard is spot on about the level of intolerance to be found in tolerant Portland and western Oregon...sorry to see him leave, but, certainly understandable given the circumstances...I expect my wife and I will be leaving Portland in the next few years for a more hospitable climate as our business plans come to fruition.


18 posted on 10/26/2008 9:30:06 AM PDT by crazyhorse691 (McCain will screw the conservatives, but, Obama will screw the whole country.)
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To: BenLurkin

I will never accept a marxist as president of the united states NEVER!!


19 posted on 10/26/2008 9:30:30 AM PDT by waxer1 ( What is the difference between a pitbull and a hockey mom? lipstick-Gov Palin)
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To: jazusamo

Wake up David.....it’s war!!


20 posted on 10/26/2008 9:30:58 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Ferengi?.....Probably not, but he sure has the lobes)
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To: martin_fierro
The case could be made that a hispanic or native American or even Japanese-American are more deserving of attaining the White House if we are going to champion the event soley based on race.

Native Americans were here first. So were the Spainish offspring of native peoples. And while slavery was a horrible institution as was segregation, the Japanese citizens went to relocation camps in the 20th Century.

21 posted on 10/26/2008 9:31:10 AM PDT by weegee (If we're gonna share wealth, those earning > $1 a month are going to have to share with the world.)
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To: jazusamo
If elected BO will not be my President. His Presidency due to Democrat voter fraud would be illegitimate. The receipt of illegal campaign contributions are criminal.

If the news-media was balanced in their articles pertaining to the candidates; BO would not be in the running. Instead the news-media is stabbing America in the back.

If BO is elected my flag will fly upside down and at half mast. I will continue to give Heil Obama salutes to individuals wearing BO identification.

22 posted on 10/26/2008 9:32:04 AM PDT by richiep (Richie)
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To: jazusamo

Leftists act that way because they have no morals, are power mad, and their greed and lust for power without the bounds of morality influence them to do anything to win. Since they think killing of the unborn, and now the sick and aged, is perfectly fine, then the next step is “anything goes” and they prove that every day.

They are like rabid dogs. And it will only get worse until they are stopped. If Obama wins it will not get better, it will get worse, way worse. Fire is stopped with water, not with more fuel, and their anger is like fire.


23 posted on 10/26/2008 9:33:07 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: jazusamo

It is possible, if one believes the polls, that a Third World coup is in the process of occurring. Over the last 40 years the Anglo American appears to have accepted the doctrines of peace, love, harmony, room at the table, the big tent, tolerance, acceptance etc. The Third World hates you as you were the masters. Well most of the Anglo Americans seem to want to abdicate responsibility for governance. This means the Third World members shall govern. There is no greater superiority on this earth than one man or group making the law for another. That is what the Third Worlders will be doing, making the law for people they hate.


24 posted on 10/26/2008 9:33:32 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: weegee
The Obama response to any discussion of his involvement with a former Weatherman leader, engaged in radical revolutionary tactics in the 1960s, has been that he (Obama) was only eight years old at the time of the Ayers involvement in acts of overt sedition, and that he has since denounced those actions. This, of course, is irrelevant to the issue of whether or not Obama and Ayers share a common Marxist ideology--a common vision of a new monolithic totalitarian Socialist America. Ayers may have changed his tactics, that does not mean that he has changed his goals.

When Lenin and Trotsky left Russia, at a time when they were unable to manage a successful uprising, that did not mean an abandonment of their loathsome Marxist ideology. They were simply biding their time for the right moment. When Hitler abandoned the tactics of trying to launch violent revolution in a beer hall, after serving a jail term over the incident, it did not mean that he had abandoned his ultimate goal of a Monolithic Socialist Germany. He simply changed his tactics and bided his time.

Conservatives need to stop worrying about Ayers earlier tactics and focus on Ayers' & now Obama's continuing objective. For half a Century, too many have been dazzled by the ideological sleight of hand, that some of the few actually clever Leftists employed at the height of the Legislative investigations of conspiratorial Communism in the 1950s, to gradually desensitize Americans to what had actually been going on. The tactic has been simple but effective. Always focus on the "conspiracy" aspect at the expense of the actual ideology that the conspirators employed. Always imply that those discussing Leftist activity are paranoid--"Conspiracy Theorists"--that they see Communists "under people's beds." The tactic took a while to really gain traction, but in time it did, and lately to an extent where even Conservative radio talk show hosts are often very careful to distance themselves from any one who might be labelled a "Conspiracy Theorist."

Whether one wants to call the Obama association with known Marxist activists a "conspiracy," or not, is wholly irrelevant to the question of the direction that an Obama Administration would take! Would Lenin and Trotsky have been more acceptable to Americans, had they like Hitler in Germany, changed tactics and sought power through political manipulation? Was Hitler more acceptable to Americans, because he had forged the biggest voting block in Germany in 1933? Because he, like Obama, could draw vast cowds, filling great stadiums, cheering hypnotic, sloganized rhetoric, rather than firing into a beer hall ceiling and shouting "freedom?" Are we more concerned with the tactics of the moment or the future of the free societies that the Founding Fathers vindicated in the Revolution and sought to protect in the Constitution?

There is little doubt but that the "Changes" Obama wants for America are the same ones that his mentor William Ayers has been pursuing all his adult life. Obama made it very clear, when he was distancing himself from Rev. Wright, where he stood. He told us that while Wright had embraced the Conservative value of self-help--personal responsibility--that would never work until we "changed America." Self-help, personal responsibility, has always worked in America. It is the fundament for our history, for all our success, all our prosperity, all our hopes. Moreover, even from the standpoint of Black America--which is no part of Obama's roots--Booker T. Washington demonstrated to all who were paying attention, that the same ethic worked very well indeed. The decline in the well being of the Black inner cities of America, since the New Deal and Civil Rights movements, can be directly traced to the later rejection of Booker T. Washington's American values. (See our October Feature on Obama: Community Organizer.)

William Flax October 26, 2008

25 posted on 10/26/2008 9:34:15 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Klepto

Hmmm - new signup date, lefties are nice people just like conservatives...

Funny. My family have all divorced themselves from me SOLELY because I am a conservative. No other reason. ALl the flaming liberals I know are angry mean people.


26 posted on 10/26/2008 9:34:48 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: weegee

Well said. I too believe it’s been brewing for many years.


27 posted on 10/26/2008 9:35:03 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: jazusamo

I find this guy hand-wringingly naive, I must say.
Today’s lefties, from Barney Frank, through Pelosi and Reid, and on down to their proteges, the out-of-state students who were just forced to withdraw their illegal ballots in Ohio, are descended in a straight line from both Mao’s Red Guard, and the kind of brutal operatives, (apparatchiks) that Stalin installed after WW2 all over the Eastern Europe he was handed. Look into the history of Romania’s Ceascescu, then imagine someone better dressed, less likely to have to perpetrate literal murder, and just as much aided and abetted by a slick media, and you have today’s Democrats. Look into the entire history of Fanny and Freddy and you have a perfect example of how, through the patented smooth talk of intimidation they are able to get too many people to go along with their socialist designs, and how deftly they managed to cram socialism down our throats, break the system, then demogogue the entire issue as if it the Bush Administration’s fault, and propose themselves, the Socialists, as if THEY are the solution to the collapse they themselves created.


28 posted on 10/26/2008 9:35:05 AM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: martin_fierro

Actually it’s his color PLUS his racist marxist thug beliefs and actions.

Alan Keyes was a great man and didn’t have a white mother, and the idiots and fiends who support Obama hated Keyes.


29 posted on 10/26/2008 9:37:13 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: BenLurkin

Obama’s election won’t deliver us from this nastiness.

Liberals are NEVER happy, they never stop, they are like spoiled children throwing a temper tantrum, Republicans are the indulgent parents who finally give in just to make the noise stop.

If we lose this election (we won’t) you will only see them become more aggressive, believing they have a mandate for “change”. The change will be a soft communism, it will be a challenge to get America back on track, once government programs begin they only grow, try to even stop the rate of growth and they will scream that it’s a “cut”.

If Obama gets in, we are in for trouble, trouble that could be long-lasting and have far reaching implications. If he loses, there will be trouble, but it could lead to the splintering of the democrat party.

I predict enough dems vote for McCain to destroy Obama on election day, there will be an ugly aftermath, far uglier than 2000, and the people will turn against the democrat party.


30 posted on 10/26/2008 9:38:15 AM PDT by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: Spok

——The animosity from the left has become so virulent that the left is ready, willing, and with Obama in the White House, able, to deny fundamental constitutional freedoms to what it views as obstructionist conservatives. The ‘tolerant’ left will not tolerate criticism or dissent. If we don’t cling to our guns, religion and freedom to speak, we will lose them all in the next four years, and no one on the left will bat an eye or raise a finger in our defense.-—

Absolutely true and well worth repeating.


31 posted on 10/26/2008 9:38:41 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: jazusamo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAvmLDkAgAM


32 posted on 10/26/2008 9:39:09 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit.)
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To: crazyhorse691

It’s sad people have to relocate because of this but I fully agree with you.


33 posted on 10/26/2008 9:39:21 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: little jeremiah

Yeah, I think it’s tougher in families. I am certainly the most conservative one in mine, but we do make the effort to argue as objectively as possible and never make it personal. Once you take out extremists (a very small number on either side I do believe) then you have people who are really looking for many of the same things, security for their family, happiness, an answer to life’s big questions, etc. If we (and the world) could stop acting as a mob I do think we would find we are not so different.

But, getting rid of extremism is astoundingly difficult.


34 posted on 10/26/2008 9:39:44 AM PDT by Klepto
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To: jazusamo

With O as our Dear Leader it will only get worse.

The sound of gunfire ringing out as squads of Obama Brownshirts come door to door rounding us resistence to Socialism to send us to re-education camps and the hard core of course will need to be eliminated. What was Ayers estimate, 25 million of us? Hell I think it will be double that number.

God save our republic.

But I fear the tree of liberty is about to be watered with the blood of patriots and tryants.

Lock and load deer season is almost here.


35 posted on 10/26/2008 9:40:33 AM PDT by stockpirate (We have all become slaves to the collective, vote McCain/Palin)
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To: bert
Wake up David.....it’s war!!

Yes! I'm also disappointed he's decided this, maybe he'll reconsider.

36 posted on 10/26/2008 9:40:59 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: itsPatAmerican

YOU are wrong, the left is exceptionally nasty, an obama presidency will punish those of us who have not shut up and drank his koolaid.
There looks to be a strong possibility that if obama wins (or rather cheats enough to have more votes counted) America will be in danger from its enemies, our freedoms will be diminshed and us on the Right will be particularily in danger which could ignite a serious split or conflict in the USA.


37 posted on 10/26/2008 9:41:05 AM PDT by dusttoyou (First they steal our savings, then our liberty)
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To: jazusamo
Obama's not my candidate -- McCain is -- but, if he's elected on Nov. 4, Obama will be my president and I'll be happy to cheer two things. One, the fact that the United States has, at long last, elected an African-American president. Two, the possibility that Obama's election might deliver us from this nastiness. I think it's called the audacity of hope.

You have to read all the way to the end to discover that Reinhard is a fool.

38 posted on 10/26/2008 9:41:20 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: itsPatAmerican

YOU are wrong, the left is exceptionally nasty, an obama presidency will punish those of us who have not shut up and drank his koolaid.
There looks to be a strong possibility that if obama wins (or rather cheats enough to have more votes counted) America will be in danger from its enemies, our freedoms will be diminshed and us on the Right will be particularily in danger which could ignite a serious split or conflict in the USA.


39 posted on 10/26/2008 9:42:43 AM PDT by dusttoyou (First they steal our savings, then our liberty)
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To: jazusamo
One, the fact that the United States has, at long last, elected an African-American president.

I'm sorry David, but you are wrong. He is an Arab-American. Daddy was of Arabic descent.

40 posted on 10/26/2008 9:43:14 AM PDT by gotribe (obama just sucks)
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To: jazusamo

On Friday night approx. 25 businesses and dozens of homes had “Fuck McCain” spray painted on them in Gainesville, VA. Gainesville is about 40 miles due west of Wash DC and is a solidly red area. Several homes also received extra treatment with the entire garage door covered with similar obscenities.

Where does this rage come from? How can otherwise decent people look at this type of vandalism and their first words are “Well, my friend in ___________ had their Obama sign stolen.” Sorry, but spraypainting obscenities in 8 foot letters where they can be easily seen by folks and kids in cars does not even come close to stealing a sign. Not to mention the expense now incurred by homeowners, business owners, and probably a few insurance companies to pay out on the damage claims of the worst hit homes.


41 posted on 10/26/2008 9:44:10 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: richiep

“change” will be change away from the limits on government defined in the Constitution. These limits are already being trampled, but would seem minor compared to what I fear Obama would do.


42 posted on 10/26/2008 9:45:14 AM PDT by MtnClimber (http://www.jeffhead.com/obama/nobamanation-sticker.jpg)
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To: dusttoyou
No, we are dealing with vocal fringes, on both sides. If 0 wins then we work within the system to regain control. It is very unlikely he will go Hugo Chavez on us, and it is even less likely that our system will allow it--but we can deal with that once it comes up. Doesn't it make sense to fight a real unlikely event when it happens rather than to fight imaginary evils? I know it is a lot more fun to fight the imaginary, but it really is part of the problem now, isn't it?

I know my rational attitude on this topic is somewhat controversial, evidenced by you starting your post to me with YOU. Fighting imaginary evils causes harm, isn't that clear?
43 posted on 10/26/2008 9:48:19 AM PDT by itsPatAmerican
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To: jazusamo
Obama's not my candidate -- McCain is -- but, if he's elected on Nov. 4, Obama will be my president and I'll be happy to cheer two things. One, the fact that the United States has, at long last, elected an African-American president. Two, the possibility that Obama's election might deliver us from this nastiness. I think it's called the audacity of hope.

well intended but hopelessly naive....given the stark political diffeences today and a sharply nearly evenly divided electorate and a shifting demographic set to usurp the power from a traditional voting base of two hundred years I only see things getting worse.

44 posted on 10/26/2008 9:48:32 AM PDT by wardaddy (when will the folk songs about Barack begin?)
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To: itsPatAmerican
And all this "that's not what the other side believes talk gets us nowhere. It's not what a tiny fringe on either side believes. Tiny. Fringe.

The problem is that the fringe seems to be at the top, as much as at an occassional root. When a party's Presidential candidate hangs out with "God D@mn America" types and the former(?) head of the Weather underground, folks are bound to wonder about the nature of his potential administration.

45 posted on 10/26/2008 9:49:56 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: nutmeg

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46 posted on 10/26/2008 9:50:51 AM PDT by nutmeg (Sarah Palin/Joe the Plumber 2008)
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To: jazusamo

I find this guy hand-wringingly naive, I must say.
Today’s lefties, from Barney Frank, through Pelosi and Reid, and on down to their proteges, the out-of-state students who were just forced to withdraw their illegal ballots in Ohio, are descended in a straight line from both Mao’s Red Guard, and the kind of brutal operatives, (apparatchiks) that Stalin installed after WW2 all over the Eastern Europe he was handed. Look into the history of Romania’s Ceascescu, then imagine someone better dressed, less likely to have to perpetrate literal murder, and just as much aided and abetted by a slick media, and you have today’s Democrats. Look into the entire history of Fanny and Freddy and you have a perfect example of how, through the patented smooth talk of intimidation they are able to get too many people to go along with their socialist designs, and how deftly they managed to cram socialism down our throats, break the system, then demogogue the entire issue as if it the Bush Administration’s fault, and propose themselves, the Socialists, as if THEY are the solution to the collapse they themselves created.


47 posted on 10/26/2008 9:51:31 AM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: mad_as_he$$

Thaanks.


48 posted on 10/26/2008 9:51:55 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: Enchante

So true! I see revenge in the dems eyes. From the “we will investigate President Bush” to spreading the wealth around. Obama will not be my president.


49 posted on 10/26/2008 9:52:35 AM PDT by crazydad
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To: itsPatAmerican
You're correct in respect to your friends and neighbors, but dead wrong in regards to politics. We are a nation founded on a core set of principles, spelled out and enumerated in the “Declaration of Independence”, “Constitution”, and “Bill of Rights”. While we have differing religious views, we are basically what would be center to center right politically.
Yet we are being told that the majority prefers the most radical leftist candidate for POTUS in history? The Democrat party gained control of the house and senate in 2006 by running the most conservative leaning candidates they could find against weak RINO opponents. When the election was over, they immediately put the most Left winged moonbats they had in charge of the house and senate.
The democrats laid the foundation for the financial crisis through their policies, obstructed reform that might have prevented the crisis, and then have the audacity to blame the problem on “George Bush's failed policies”.
The hardcore, leftists in the democrat party are calling the shots, ignoring the wishes of the people, and they are supported and abetted by their hardcore leftist pals in the MSM. They will have completed their political coup once they have Obama entrenched, and then can load the supreme court.
So, I guess I take exception to your feeling that it's only politics.
50 posted on 10/26/2008 9:54:06 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (Never argue with an idiot, they always wear you down and beat you with experience)
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