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How Can McCain Be Losing Latinos?
Real Clear Politics ^ | 10/26/08 | Ruben Navarrette

Posted on 10/26/2008 9:54:46 AM PDT by DogBarkTree

SAN DIEGO -- Recently, I was on a Latino-themed radio show defending John McCain. The defendant was accused of abandoning comprehensive immigration reform, turning his back on Latino supporters, and associating with a bad crowd (read: Republicans). I didn't give an inch. I was the only person in the discussion who actually knew McCain -- from my stint 10 years ago as a reporter at a newspaper in Arizona -- and I could attest to the fact that the senator had always gone to bat for Latinos. At one point, another guest scolded me in frustration: "Look, it's not about John McCain. It's about the Republican Party!"

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; aliens; amnesty; election; gop; hispandering; immigrantlist; immigration; karma; latinovote; mccain; obama
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I guess the lesson here is that people will stick with what they identify with. Blacks and Latinos will stand with their own kind every time if that is how they identify themselves. "When asked, who/what are you?" How many white folks say with pride, "I am a white person"? Not many. Black and Latinos will for the most part Identify themselves with their race before anything else.
1 posted on 10/26/2008 9:54:46 AM PDT by DogBarkTree
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To: DogBarkTree
How Can McCain Be Losing Latinos?

Audiences may clap and smile politely during a panderer's speeches... but nobody ever really respects him, afterwards.

2 posted on 10/26/2008 9:57:26 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (G-d watch over and protect Sarah Palin and her family.)
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To: DogBarkTree

I agree. People do tend to. I live in CA and, right or wrong, all I know is, at least here, the Immigration/Illegals issue has very much hurt the Republican Party. And they identify it with the Party. They don’t care where an individual Republican may stand on the issue.


3 posted on 10/26/2008 9:57:28 AM PDT by Klepto
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To: DogBarkTree

Obama is not black. He is half white, partially black, and who knows what else.


4 posted on 10/26/2008 9:57:53 AM PDT by beethoven
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To: DogBarkTree

Calling ‘Jose The Plumber’...

The funny thing is there are a lot of ‘Jose The Plumbers’ out there!


5 posted on 10/26/2008 9:58:50 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: DogBarkTree
How many white folks say with pride..

I'm a (slightly jaundiced) Caucasian !

     

6 posted on 10/26/2008 9:59:44 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: DogBarkTree
I can't speak for California...but I know in South Texas and in Florida Obama is going to perform less than stellar with the Latinos there.





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7 posted on 10/26/2008 9:59:56 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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8 posted on 10/26/2008 10:01:08 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Because Latinos (illegals from a;l other countries)
not only want free citizenship which both
McCain and Obama have promised.

They want “spread the wealth” concept as well.
Free education, free college, free health care, free
homes (ACORN) and free childcare (ACORN)

There is still time White people, keep your
country as your fore fathers gave you.

Elect McCain and Palin.

9 posted on 10/26/2008 10:03:00 AM PDT by indianyogi
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To: DogBarkTree
Republican Party = the evil party!

make it a big lie say it often and they will believe it.

I don't know how we can change this negativity that has been propagated against us.

10 posted on 10/26/2008 10:03:34 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: DogBarkTree
"Look, it's not about John McCain. It's about the Republican Party!"

That's it. The amnesty crowd wants freebies and lax border security, and they know they're more likely to get that with Democrats in power.

11 posted on 10/26/2008 10:04:02 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: DogBarkTree
Latinos have long traditions of being collectivists and socialists as well as building defunct societies. To think we'd import them all and they'd suddenly become free market, rugged individualists because they practice some strange form of Catholicism was not very well thought out.

It certainly would have been much brighter to try it out on a much smaller scale. Because it may very well be too late to do much about it.

12 posted on 10/26/2008 10:04:29 AM PDT by riri
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To: DogBarkTree
Black and Latinos will for the most part Identify themselves with their race before anything else.

Absolutely. Most ethnic groups lose their tribal mentality after a generation or two of assimilation, but blacks are still immigrants emotionally, and so many Mexicans have immigrated in such a short time that they have formed ethnic enclaves which resist assimilation. That is why immigration, legal and illegal, must be kept at a reasonable level: in order to allow the natural process of assimilation. Otherwise, instead of adding immigrants and their descendants as members to our unique society, we are diluting our unique society with assimilation resistant third worlders.

13 posted on 10/26/2008 10:05:36 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Free Lazama... never mind.)
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To: DogBarkTree
Blacks and Latinos will stand with their own kind every time if that is how they identify themselves.

But Blacks and Latinos hate each other. Surely the GOP can exploit that anger. I love the Spanish language ads that that Mexican soap opera star is doing over abortion wherein he mentions how 1/3 of all abortions are Latino babies and that it is a deliberate attempt to exterminate them from the Obama crowd.

14 posted on 10/26/2008 10:06:54 AM PDT by montag813
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To: DogBarkTree

Bambi wants to spread the wealth of the Gringo.


15 posted on 10/26/2008 10:09:36 AM PDT by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: riri
it may very well be too late to do much about it.

Indeed. Once Latinos reach Critical Voting Mass, They will make permanent the privileged status minorities now enjoy in education, hiring, and business, as well as "spreading the wealth" through taxation, and reining in law enforcement, border enforcement, and drug enforcement.

16 posted on 10/26/2008 10:09:55 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Free Lazama... never mind.)
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To: Klepto
I agree. People do tend to. I live in CA and, right or wrong, all I know is, at least here, the Immigration/Illegals issue has very much hurt the Republican Party.

Yup. This issue single-handedly turned California from a Reagan Republican state into a solid Democratic state during Pete Wilson's administration, giving every Democratic presidential candidate a huge bloc of electoral votes to take for granted.
17 posted on 10/26/2008 10:10:08 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: DogBarkTree
When you promise to rob Peter to pay Paul - you can count on Paul's support. Only problem is that Obama's telling everyone they're "Paul". It's a lie. Not enough money to "spread around".

Here's Obama's socialists bonafides

Here’s a New Party newspaper story about Obama - ( Socialist newspaper from Chicago )- front page from the late 90’s...

To see it look at reply #6

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2115627/posts

18 posted on 10/26/2008 10:10:22 AM PDT by GOPJ (Baghdad Bob had an excuse - there was a boot on his neck. What's AP's excuse?)
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To: beethoven

He is more Arabic than African. He’s an Arab-American, not an African-American.


19 posted on 10/26/2008 10:10:33 AM PDT by gotribe (obama just sucks)
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To: DogBarkTree

How can McCain be losing at all?

In terms of their impact on the future of this country, there is NO CONTEST between Obama and McCain.


20 posted on 10/26/2008 10:10:42 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right: You never win by losing!)
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To: DogBarkTree

The lesson is that the people will always vote for the guy offeing something for nothing. McCain and Palin offer to spread the opportunity while Obama wants to spread the wealth. Opportunity means work and the possibilities of failure. If that’s the case then as the song goes”take the money and run”!!!


21 posted on 10/26/2008 10:11:18 AM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: mrsmith

There is a Jose the “Plumber” in this vid, which features homemade vids sent in to the McCain campaign—

http://www.johnmccain.com/informing/news/PressReleases/f955cd30-1f4c-47f5-a9ad-26aa7a6d3e9b.htm


22 posted on 10/26/2008 10:13:30 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right: You never win by losing!)
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To: beethoven

A boy asks his mother why am I more black than white his mother says don’t go there every time I think of that party your lucky you don’t bark.


23 posted on 10/26/2008 10:13:53 AM PDT by Vaduz (and just think how clean the cities would become again.)
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To: xkaydet65

I a poll of the US military posted here , Mac was getting 60 % of the latino vote wearing the uniform.


24 posted on 10/26/2008 10:15:50 AM PDT by fantom
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To: Jeff Chandler

Yep, I lived in New Mexico for a few years. It’s the perfect model. All government employees are hispanic. It takes 50 million years to get anything done and corruption is pretty rampant. The non-Hispanic people live in their own gated enclaves or sections of town and venturing outside of them can range from iffy to downright risky.


25 posted on 10/26/2008 10:16:34 AM PDT by riri
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To: Jeff Chandler

Blacks have not assimilated as well as they should have by now because they have been kept on welfare plantations and because their “civil rights leaders” fear that, if they do assimilate, they will no longer be a reliable voting bloc, but, rather, will begin to vote more on issues other than race and handouts.

There’s a vid around here somewhere of Obama talking about how it threatens the Rats’ ability to elect blacks if blacks move from inner city [plantations] into the suburbs.

I think it may be this one:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2115374/posts


26 posted on 10/26/2008 10:19:05 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right: You never win by losing!)
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To: DogBarkTree
Ihope if this guy is elected (or if he is not) he will figure out which side his bread is buttered on. He cultivated media just to see them stab him in the back He cultivated Latinos with the same result. We are the ones who are supporting us I hope this time he does not stab us in the back.
27 posted on 10/26/2008 10:19:12 AM PDT by bilhosty
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

He’s not losing them.


28 posted on 10/26/2008 10:20:51 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: fantom

They’re in a profession where two things are very different.
Hard work is the way of their world, as is opportunity.
Everything in the their world is earned not given.


29 posted on 10/26/2008 10:20:52 AM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: gotribe
He’s an Arab-American, not an African-American.

This is factually incorrect. His father was a member of the Luo tribe, which is considered a typical "black African," by which is meant what used to be called Negroid, tribe.

30 posted on 10/26/2008 10:21:14 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: freekitty
He’s not losing them.

Eight more days will inarguably tell the tale, either way.

31 posted on 10/26/2008 10:22:58 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (G-d watch over and protect Sarah Palin and her family.)
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To: DogBarkTree

Guass what Jaun y Jorge - you can’t out pander the Democrats. Once you’ve reached the absolute limit in terms of what you think you can get away with, the other party has just barely started.


32 posted on 10/26/2008 10:23:11 AM PDT by eclecticEel (men who believe deeply in something, even wrong, usually triumph over men who believe in nothing)
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To: fightinJAG
Blacks have not assimilated as well as they should have by now because they have been kept on welfare plantations and because their “civil rights leaders” fear that, if they do assimilate, they will no longer be a reliable voting bloc, but, rather, will begin to vote more on issues other than race and handouts.

It's been that way since the 60's. Before that, it was segregation which prevented Blacks from assimilating.

33 posted on 10/26/2008 10:23:13 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Free Lazama... never mind.)
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To: DogBarkTree

They read Free Republic and got grossed out by all the hatred expressed towards them here.

We could have had the Latino (that is, born-here or legal immigrant) vote if we had tried for it or at least been civil. Not all Hispanics are illegal, poor, on welfare, or want to speak Spanish to the 5th generation. But people here and in the GOP in general lumped them all together with the Dem’s specially tended group of dysfunctionals, and this is the result.


34 posted on 10/26/2008 10:24:00 AM PDT by livius
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To: DogBarkTree

It is the BIG FAT so called TAX CUT for 95% of Americans. Not complicated.


35 posted on 10/26/2008 10:24:06 AM PDT by Fred (The Democrat Party is the Nadir of Nihilism)
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To: Mr. Mojo
That's it. The amnesty crowd wants freebies and lax border security, and they know they're more likely to get that with Democrats in power.

The Democrats have been in power for the last two years. Have these people got anything yet?

36 posted on 10/26/2008 10:24:39 AM PDT by pray4liberty (Watch, pray, and work. This election will separate the sheep from the goats.)
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To: DogBarkTree
I say American they say "hyphenated american".....their choice not to be an American. They choose to be victims. They will always be victims until they acknowledge they ARE Americans .

Their self induced exile is their problem they choose to keep versus solve. Minorities under a Socialist Democratic form of government will ALWAYS be victims.

For the hyphenated americans;

Digo al americano que dicen el " american" escrito con guión; ..... su opción a no ser un americano. Eligen ser víctimas. Serán siempre víctimas hasta que los reconozcan SEAN americanos. Su exilio autoinducido es su problema que eligen guardar contra solucionan. Las minorías bajo forma de gobierno Democratic socialista serán SIEMPRE víctimas.

For their socialist handlers;

Я говорю американцу они говорят " hyphenated american" ..... их выбор, котор нужно не быть американцом. Они выбирают быть жертвами. Они всегда будут жертвами до тех пор пока они не подтвердят их американцы. Их ссылка наведенная собственной личностью их проблема они выбирают держать против разрешают. Несовершеннолетия под социалистической демократичной формой правления ВСЕГДА будут жертвами.

Stay safe !

37 posted on 10/26/2008 10:26:56 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: gotribe

I wish more people were aware of this.


38 posted on 10/26/2008 10:27:06 AM PDT by beethoven
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To: Vaduz

Well, his wife is a dog!


39 posted on 10/26/2008 10:29:06 AM PDT by beethoven
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To: indianyogi
There is still time White people, keep your country as your fore fathers gave you.

This country is great and the dream of so many immigrants because of our opportunity. This is the country where through hard work and perseverance you can improve your life and your children's lives. There is plenty of room for immigrants who want that dream, regardless of what race they are. We don't have room for racial grievances, whether the race is white, hispanic, black, asian, or any other race. We should stand for freedom, not any fears of racial persecution. Immigration should be regulated and our laws should be scrupulously enforced, for the protection of the immigrant and of the citizens. But people who want to come here for freedom and opportunity should be welcomed.

40 posted on 10/26/2008 10:29:25 AM PDT by Dan Cooper
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To: DogBarkTree

“How many white folks say with pride, “I am a white person”? Not many.”

Modesty is becoming.

I think it will become more necessary in the future to defend ourselves as white people.

You will not win the “race doesn’t matter” argument — race HAS TO MATTER to the left. They use it to create undeserved guilt in white people.

The left is working overtime to destroy “whiteness” which amounts to white culture, capitalism, individual freedom, etc.

These things are not owned by white people but you can’t explain that to a leftist — if they can paint capitalism as “whites only” then, why not? It serves their purposes.

We had better start thinking about defending our children from this irrationality and RACISM.


41 posted on 10/26/2008 10:31:33 AM PDT by Boucheau (The Democrat Party and their beloved communism caused the current financial crisis - not capitalism.)
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To: DogBarkTree

If the GOP loses this election, the failure of the Presidential candidate to be anti-illegal immigration will be a major reason why.

This was a HOT topic a year ago and people were waiting for someone to emerge who would make this a centerpiece of his campaign. Instead we allowed things to get distracted by “reaching across the aisle” Mormonism, etc.

The situation will only get worse until their are riots in the streets. Maybe then “moderates” et al will wake up and see you can’t compromise or pander. They just push for more and more and more.


42 posted on 10/26/2008 10:32:19 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (u)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

“How Can McCain Be Losing Latinos?”

Because the MSM says so.


43 posted on 10/26/2008 10:32:22 AM PDT by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on the rights of animals would do so on behalf of the unborn.)
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To: pray4liberty
The Democrats have been in power for the last two years. Have these people got anything yet?

Freebies and lax border security? Yes, they have both. (They've been getting both for decades now). And as I (correctly) pointed out, they're more likely to keep getting them with the Democrats in power.

44 posted on 10/26/2008 10:33:58 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: DogBarkTree

I wish someone would make the issue of how Obama treats his own family, he didn’t try to petition his brother who is living in a hut on a dollar a day.

Compare that to McCain Adoptions etc...

Obama has no heart, McCain cares and loves...

Even if I don’t agree with him on immigration, there is no one running that deserves the Latino vote more than McCain.

If he doesn’t get it, I think the wrong candidate was chosen in the primary.


45 posted on 10/26/2008 10:37:18 AM PDT by dila813
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To: DogBarkTree
How Can McCain Be Losing Latinos?

McCain thought he could win the Latino vote simply by promising to "Open the Border" and legalize the 12 to 20 million illegals.

Silly white Republican.

Any Democrat will match his hand and raise him free education, free health care, free tvs free cars, etc,etc...

You will never outbid a liberal at his own game.
46 posted on 10/26/2008 10:37:34 AM PDT by RedMonqey
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To: DogBarkTree
I won't be voting for a POTUS candidate this year. McCain's long and dirty record of amnesty and immigration-explosion scheming is beyond the pale and inconsistent with patriotism.

"Fortunately", I vote in California, which (because of immigration-driven demographic change) is permanently beyond GOP reach, and again isn't being contested...so my non-vote is of no consequence (Yes, I will vote down-ticket).

47 posted on 10/26/2008 10:38:40 AM PDT by Dagnabitt (What (child) Would Mohammad Do?)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

He shouldn’t be losing Latinos. McCain and Kennedy lost a battle to give them all a free pass to American Citizenship.


48 posted on 10/26/2008 10:40:53 AM PDT by aclusux.com (visit my site at http://www.aclusux.com)
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To: indianyogi
There is still time White people, keep your country as your fore fathers gave you.

A call for people to come together based on nothing but skin color? That's really pathetic.

49 posted on 10/26/2008 10:42:38 AM PDT by Live and let live conservative ($)
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To: DogBarkTree

aside from Cubans most Latinos come here from dysfunctional corrupt patronage oriented nations

that they would subsequently be attracted to Dems here is obvious

that and the anti-white nature of their sentiments politically aside from the Cubans who at least in the first few talented and moneyed waves were very White.

so here we are ...we have opened th gates to the very peoples wishing to usurp us

we fought hard about this on FR 3-4 years back....lotsa blood and bannings including me

and now as the right dishonorable Reverend Wright loves to say without fear that fighting John McCain will ever challenge him on it....”the chickens are coming home to roost”

with the help of totally emasculated white folks too...make no mistake of that


50 posted on 10/26/2008 10:44:37 AM PDT by wardaddy (when will the folk songs about Barack begin?)
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