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Obama and Ahmadinejad
forbes ^ | Oct.26, '08 | Amir Taheri

Posted on 10/26/2008 6:40:58 PM PDT by nuconvert

Is Barack Obama the "promised warrior" coming to help the Hidden Imam of Shiite Muslims conquer the world?

The question has made the rounds in Iran since last month, when a pro-government Web site published a Hadith (or tradition) from a Shiite text of the 17th century. The tradition comes from Bahar al-Anvar (meaning Oceans of Light) by Mullah Majlisi, a magnum opus in 132 volumes and the basis of modern Shiite Islam.

According to the tradition, Imam Ali Ibn Abi-Talib (the prophet's cousin and son-in-law) prophesied that at the End of Times and just before the return of the Mahdi, the Ultimate Saviour, a "tall black man will assume the reins of government in the West." Commanding "the strongest army on earth," the new ruler in the West will carry "a clear sign" from the third imam, whose name was Hussein Ibn Ali. The tradition concludes: "Shiites should have no doubt that he is with us."

In a curious coincidence Obama's first and second names--Barack Hussein--mean "the blessing of Hussein" in Arabic and Persian. His family name, Obama, written in the Persian alphabet, reads O Ba Ma, which means "he is with us," the magic formula in Majlisi's tradition.

Mystical reasons aside, the Khomeinist establishment sees Obama's rise as another sign of the West's decline and the triumph of Islam. Obama's promise to seek unconditional talks with the Islamic Republic is cited as a sign that the U.S. is ready to admit defeat. Obama's position could mean abandoning three resolutions passed by the United Nations Security Council setting conditions that Iran should meet to avoid sanctions. Seeking unconditional talks with the Khomeinists also means an admission of moral equivalence between the U.S. and the Islamic Republic.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ahmadinejad; amirtaheri; bo; democrat; democrats; hiddenimam; iran; islam; khomeinist; obama; shiite; taheri

1 posted on 10/26/2008 6:40:59 PM PDT by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert

Another interesting story one is CERTAIN to never see in the MSM.


2 posted on 10/26/2008 6:46:00 PM PDT by highlander_UW (The only difference between the MSM and the DNC is the MSM sells ad space in their propaganda)
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To: nuconvert
"Ahmadinejad has described the U.S. as a "sunset" (ofuli) power as opposed to Islam, which he says is a "sunrise" (toluee) power. Last summer, he inaugurated an international conference called World Without America--attended by anti-Americans from all over the world, including the U.S."

Welllllll....we shall see....

3 posted on 10/26/2008 6:47:37 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Socialism is great until you run out of someone else's money (M. Thatcher))
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To: AdmSmith; freedom44; Valin; odds; sionnsar; LibreOuMort; Pan_Yans Wife; Army Air Corps; GOPJ

pong


4 posted on 10/26/2008 6:48:57 PM PDT by nuconvert (Obama - Preferred by 4 out of 5 Dictators & Terrorists// Rove>>Biden is a Big,Blowhard Dufus)
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To: highlander_UW

Forbes is not MSM enough for you?


5 posted on 10/26/2008 6:49:24 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: nuconvert

Creepy....


6 posted on 10/26/2008 6:53:21 PM PDT by Savagemom
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To: nuconvert; Faith; wendelmyer; Quix; xzins; blue-duncan

Hmmmm.


7 posted on 10/26/2008 6:53:53 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: nuconvert

Any verification that these predictions were made prior to this election year??? or were they made up during the great-one’s rise in the polls?

If they are genuine prophesies from islamic scripture,
it should serve as proof that Obama will lose.

There is not a single prophesy I’m aware of outside of christianity and the bible that has come to pass.
I don’t believe God would allow it.


8 posted on 10/26/2008 6:54:11 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: sam_paine
Forbes is not MSM enough for you?

What is the daily circulation as compared to the combined ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC etc.?

9 posted on 10/26/2008 6:54:41 PM PDT by highlander_UW (The only difference between the MSM and the DNC is the MSM sells ad space in their propaganda)
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To: sam_paine

I agree—Forbes is fairly mainstream. I don’t know how big of an audience this will reach. I have got to say I agree with Khomeni about Obama’s potential.


10 posted on 10/26/2008 6:58:28 PM PDT by Pinetop
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To: Safrguns

Good questions. And good post.


11 posted on 10/26/2008 6:59:14 PM PDT by lonevoice (Ich bin ein plumber)
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To: Dajjal

pong


12 posted on 10/26/2008 7:00:24 PM PDT by nuconvert (Obama - Preferred by 4 out of 5 Dictators & Terrorists// Rove>>Biden is a Big,Blowhard Dufus)
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To: nuconvert

bttt


13 posted on 10/26/2008 7:20:18 PM PDT by Dinah Lord (fighting the Islamofascist Jihad - one keystroke at a time...)
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To: Safrguns

Jeanne Dixon

http://www.catholicrevelations.org/PR/jean%20dixon.htm

“They will -— through political intimidation, propaganda, and illegal sixth-column activities -— make every effort to show the nation that only their man, the one who heads their ‘machine’, has the sole right to occupy the White House. Their campaign is going to cause great harm to our nation both here and abroad.”

“I ‘see’ this group succeed in taking over de facto control of the country. They will give rise to an upheaval in our social structure as never before seen. They will bring about increased social unrest and great discontent. Foreign subversive elements will -— as they did in the 1960s -— infiltrate the unruly factions and cause renewed fighting on the nation’s campuses and in racial ghettos”


14 posted on 10/26/2008 7:26:18 PM PDT by Chad_the_Impaler
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To: All


WSJ.com - THE WALL STREET JOURNAL - Opinion: "OBAMA'S PLAN FOR A SECOND-ECONOMY What's so great about another depression?" by Holman W. Jenkins Jr. (October 26, 2008)

FORBES.com: "OBAMA AND AHMADINEJAD" -Commentary by Amir Taheri (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "According to the tradition, Imam Ali Ibn Abi-Talib (the prophet's cousin and son-in-law) prophesied that at the End of Times and just before the return of the Mahdi, the Ultimate Saviour, a "tall black man will assume the reins of government in the West." Commanding "the strongest army on earth," the new ruler in the West will carry "a clear sign" from the third imam, whose name was Hussein Ibn Ali. The tradition concludes: "Shiites should have no doubt that he is with us." In a curious coincidence Obama's first and second names--Barack Hussein--mean "the blessing of Hussein" in Arabic and Persian. His family name, Obama, written in the Persian alphabet, reads O Ba Ma, which means "he is with us," the magic formula in Majlisi's tradition. Mystical reasons aside, the Khomeinist establishment sees Obama's rise as another sign of the West's decline and the triumph of Islam.") (October 26, 2008)
JIHAD WATCH.org: "OBAMA'S FRIENDSHIP WITH KHALIDI, WHO CALLS ISRAEL A 'RACIST' STATE WITH AN 'APARTHEID SYSTEM' AND SAYS AMERICA HAS BEEN 'BRAINWASHED' BY ISRAEL" (October 25, 2008)

CAMPUS-WATCH.org (FAMILY SECURITY MATTERS): "BARACK OBAMA'S ANTI-ISRAEL ALLIANCES [incl. Rashid Khalidi] by Rachel Neuwirth (October 24, 2008)

LA TIMES.com - Campaign '08: Chicago - "ALLIES OF PALESTINIANS SEE A FRIEND IN BARACK OBAMA" by Peter Wallsten (April 10, 2008)



[Post no. 3] - ARCHIVES - Topic: BIDEN & OBAMA (aka B & O) (October 25, 2008 -- Click Here.)

JEFF HEAD.com - Videos: "THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH - Obama In His & His Supporters Own Words"

15 posted on 10/26/2008 7:28:07 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Safrguns

You said — “There is not a single prophesy I’m aware of outside of christianity and the bible that has come to pass. I don’t believe God would allow it.”

Well, you might be interested in what Walid Shoebat says about Islamic prophecy and Biblical prophecy, then. He compares the two and says that there is a marvelous correlation between the two, and relating to the Mahdi — except that “white is black” and “black is white” — between the Christianity and Islam.

In other words, the Mahdi is the Antichrist (which is very plausible). And if that’s the case, then there will be things that are foretold in Islam (except that it’s “black” to the Bible’s “white”... LOL...)

I think it’s entirely plausible that God can allow those “false” prophecies to come true for a time, in order for the world to “believe a lie” (as the Bible says). It’s not out of the realm of what God would and can do...


16 posted on 10/26/2008 7:28:55 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: highlander_UW
What is the daily circulation as compared to the combined ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC etc.?

Well, if you define 'mainstream' based on readership/viewership, then RUSH LIMBAUGH is mainstream and MSNBC is a fringe pajama group. If you want to go by numbers.

17 posted on 10/26/2008 7:30:30 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: nuconvert

Hey Israel, this would be a good time and probably your last chance to take out Iran’s nuclear program. With nutjob ill, the US keeping Syria at bay by striking at their border, and one week before this country officially goes anti-Israel, you may want to strike Iran…NOW!


18 posted on 10/26/2008 7:37:41 PM PDT by TonyM (E)
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To: nuconvert

It just keeps getting better and better. /s


19 posted on 10/26/2008 7:45:01 PM PDT by GOPJ (Baghdad Bob had an excuse - there was a boot on his neck. What's the MSM's excuse?)
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To: Star Traveler

>>>Well, you might be interested in what Walid Shoebat says about Islamic prophecy and Biblical prophecy, then. He compares the two and says that there is a marvelous correlation between the two, and relating to the Mahdi — except that “white is black” and “black is white” — between the Christianity and Islam.

Interesting... so where in biblical prophesy is the antichrist described in the bible as a tall black man who reigns in the powers of the west?


20 posted on 10/26/2008 8:23:20 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Safrguns

You would have to listen to Walid Shoebat. He does a marvelous job of it. It’s only very recently that he’s been able to speak about these things, as most of the previous times he’s spoken, those topics have been “off limits” (according to what he said...).

There is a new book coming out that may be better (for studying what he’s saying). Look up info on him and see what you can find out about his new book. I don’t think it’s out yet (but it may be).


21 posted on 10/26/2008 8:32:04 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Safrguns

Oh..., a follow-up here...

I don’t think Walid Shoebat has anything to say about Obama. I hope you weren’t referring to Obama in light of the Mahdi...


22 posted on 10/26/2008 8:33:59 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Blogger

Sobering.

Thx.


23 posted on 10/26/2008 8:44:58 PM PDT by Quix (GLOBALIST PLANS FM 1900 ON #76 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2031425/posts?page=77#77)
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To: Star Traveler
>>>I don’t think Walid Shoebat has anything to say about Obama. I hope you weren’t referring to Obama in light of the Mahdi...

No... I thought you did.

...except that “white is black” and “black is white” — between the Christianity and Islam. In other words, the Mahdi is the Antichrist (which is very plausible).
24 posted on 10/26/2008 8:51:09 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Safrguns

I guess that was kinda cryptic..., sorry.

What I meant was that the prophecies are the reverse of each other, in that good is bad and bad is good (hence the white is black and black is white comment). So, where the Mahdi is supposed to be “good” — he is actually “bad”. And where Israel (and Jews) are to be destroyed, they are really “saved” (at the coming of Christ).

But, aside from the “reversal” of each other, they are the same prophecies.


25 posted on 10/26/2008 9:04:49 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

>>>What I meant was that the prophecies are the reverse of each other, in that good is bad and bad is good

Then i understood you correctly to begin with.

The opening post of this thread points to islamic prophesy which suggests that Obama is this Mahdi... Good guy for Islam. So the reversal would suggest that he is the Anti-Christ.

Personally, I don’t see Obama fitting the bill. According to biblical prophecy, he is of the wrong descent, and in the wrong region of the world to bring about the false peace treaty which begins the tribulation period.
Besides... if his failure to bring about a campaign which unifies the races in the US has resulted in just the opposite, how could anyone believe he is capable of negotiating a treaty between Israel and the Palestinians?

Now... my point was this... if there is no direct biblical prophecy which describes Obama to a T (which there is not), then a competing religious prophecy which does is destined to be proven wrong.

This is why i’m curious about the details of the Islamic prophesy... Does it fit our current situation to a T? Does it clearly foretell the results of this election going to Obama? If so, then the opposite must be true.

McCain will Win.


26 posted on 10/26/2008 9:28:38 PM PDT by Safrguns
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