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Biden Compares Obama to Lincoln, Jefferson -- Not Marx
Foxnews ^ | 102708 | foxnews

Posted on 10/27/2008 1:11:06 PM PDT by Fred

Joe Biden on Monday compared Barack Obama to Thomas Jefferson, John F. Kennedy, Abraham Lincoln and Franklin Roosevelt, and he said a less savory comparison to Karl Marx is completely off the mark.

Biden, whose comments on Marx referenced an uncomfortable interview with a Florida anchorwoman last week, stressed that his Obama is a genuine force for change. As proof, Democratic vice presidential candidate pointed to the kind of attacks that have historically been directed at new leaders with new ideas.

"The defenders of the status quo have always tried to tear down those who would change our nation for the better," Biden said. "They said Thomas Jefferson wasn't ... a real Christian. That was the essence of the campaign against him. Well, does that sound familiar?" he said.

"Ladies and gentlemen, they said Abraham Lincoln ... wanted to take away individual rights. Ladies and gentlemen, they said Franklin Roosevelt would destroy the American system of life. Sound familiar? And ladies and gentlemen, they said that John F. Kennedy was, quote, 'a dangerous choice in difficult times.' ... Sound familiar?"

The Delaware senator spoke to a crowd in Greenville, N.C., as the Democratic ticket begins to make its closing argument in the presidential race.

Biden said the attacks are "built on lies which are the last resort of those who have nothing new to offer. And that's where we find ourselves."

Biden attempted to shore up his point by mentioning the interview he gave with Orlando-based WFTV on Thursday. Anchorwoman Barbara West quoted Marx and asked Biden how Obama's claim that he wants to "spread the wealth" wasn't Marxist.

Biden asked West if she was joking. Afterward, the Obama campaign cut off interviews with the station, canceling an appearance by Biden's wife, Jill.

On Monday Biden took another shot at

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: biden; marxist; mccain; obamatruthfile; obamatruthsquad; palin; socialism

1 posted on 10/27/2008 1:11:10 PM PDT by Fred
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To: Fred
Youtube - OBAMA SAYS CONSTITUTION DEEP FLAW CONTINUES TODAY
2 posted on 10/27/2008 1:11:47 PM PDT by Fred (The Democrat Party is the Nadir of Nihilism and OBAMA IS A MARXIST)
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To: Fred

I don’t know who to compare Joe the Gaffer to.


3 posted on 10/27/2008 1:13:11 PM PDT by Genoa
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To: Genoa

The Marx Brothers. Joe can be Chico. Every time he gets a question he can’t answer just blow the horn.


4 posted on 10/27/2008 1:16:38 PM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: Fred

Jefferson? The slave-owning, rich libertarian-agrarian?


5 posted on 10/27/2008 1:16:48 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Genoa
I don’t know who to compare Joe the Gaffer to.

He is the Chevy Chase of politics!

Joe falls down verbally so much and it just gets funnier and funnier.....

6 posted on 10/27/2008 1:17:16 PM PDT by bayliving (I too am Joe the Plumber!)
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To: Fred

Lincoln Jefferson??

Hmmm, ain’t he a rep out of Illionois that kept all his funny money in the the refridgerator???


7 posted on 10/27/2008 1:17:20 PM PDT by incredulous joe ('Gentlemen we must all hang together or we shall most assuredly all hang separately')
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To: Fred
Then maybe Biden should read this:

For Liberty's Sake

8 posted on 10/27/2008 1:17:46 PM PDT by writer33 (Rush Limbaugh Is "The Passion" of Conservatism And Pretty Good At That Radio Thingy)
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To: Fred

“They said Thomas Jefferson wasn’t ... a real Christian”

Well, he wasn’t, was he?


9 posted on 10/27/2008 1:17:54 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

Yeah, ain’t it funny how the labels miraculously switch with ease?

Possibly, Barack the Wealth Spreader hopes to own us after we are done with re-education boot camp?


10 posted on 10/27/2008 1:19:08 PM PDT by incredulous joe ('Gentlemen we must all hang together or we shall most assuredly all hang separately')
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To: Fred
What Abraham Lincoln Has To Say About Barack Hussein Obama

"What constitutes the bulwark of our own liberty and independence? ... Our reliance is in the love of liberty which God has planted in us. Our defense is in the spirit which prized liberty as the heritage of all men, in all lands everywhere. Destroy this spirit and you have planted the seeds of despotism at your own doors."

"Familiarize yourselves with the chains of bondage and you prepare your own limbs to wear them. Accustomed to trample on the rights of others, you have lost the genius of your own independence and become the fit subjects of the first cunning tyrant who rises among you."

Once again Lincoln proves prescient. Please share with your friends.

11 posted on 10/27/2008 1:19:34 PM PDT by jeffo (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1372399/posts)
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To: Fred
Not Marx.

Lenin or Trotsky maybe, but not Marx.

12 posted on 10/27/2008 1:21:02 PM PDT by Nachum (Obama: Liar for hire)
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To: Fred
He compared Obama to a slave owning Thomas Jefferson??? You mean Obama owned slaves in Kenya?? Obama couldn't carry Abe Lincoln's jock strap.
13 posted on 10/27/2008 1:21:06 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (I am a true red, white and blue CONSERVATIVE! I HATE LIBERALS and Dimocrats!!!)
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To: Tublecane
Jefferson was a Deist.
14 posted on 10/27/2008 1:21:31 PM PDT by Infidel Puppy
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To: Fred

15 posted on 10/27/2008 1:22:37 PM PDT by Bobalu (Obama cannot win without the kind of people that Palin appeals to.)
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To: bayliving

It’s true that he’s often unintentionally funny, and as a result, one tends to discount him. However, we shouldn’t forget that Biden himself is extremely left wing - he has the third most leftwing voting record in the Senate, IIRC.

He also, like his master, Obama, has a seriously spiteful and vindictive side. One of the reasons Obama made his big speech today and semi-retired from the campaign trail is that he doesn’t want to get caught in any last-minute moments where the mask slips and the real Red Barry’s fangs show through. That was what happened with Biden, and I bet they’ll pull him off all interviews now that this has become public.


16 posted on 10/27/2008 1:22:47 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius

It’s not because Barry is somewhat black, it’s because he’s more than a little Red.


17 posted on 10/27/2008 1:24:03 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Infidel Puppy

“Jefferson was a Deist.”

Which, of course, precludes him from being a Christian.


18 posted on 10/27/2008 1:24:15 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Fred

And I compare Joe Biden to Chico Marx, Napoleon Dynamite, and Francis the Talking Ass.


19 posted on 10/27/2008 1:24:55 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: Fred

ROFL. My, the presumptuous and historical ignorance of Biden knows no bounds.

Further, a proper historical comparison would be Wilson or Carter. Wilson pursued a fascistic course, replete with his own brownshirts and a disgust for the antiquated Constitution, which limited the power of the government to ‘help’ the people. He thought the presidency’s power was excessively circumscribed by the Constitution. America’s entry into WWI allowed for him to push through much of his agenda for a time.

Carter would be an appropriate touchstone as well. Obama, if elected, will also have an unpopular Republican administration to thank for his election. Obama’s agenda is much like Carter’s in the context of the post-60s, liberal Democrat peacenik movement which views America as part of the problem, as opposed to older, pre-60s and pro-American liberals such as Truman.

There’s no comparison to Jefferson whatsoever. Obama’s aims are downright tyrannical. I think Jefferson would be aghast at the party which supposedly carries on his legacy.

Lincoln? Well, other than both starting their political careers in Illinois, I fail to see the similarity. Is Biden telling us that Obama is going to suspend habeus corpus in his first year in office (maybe that’s the surprise which awaits us)?

FDR? He brought his own fascist movement to the presidency, one which impressed Mussolini and Hitler. His policies, per many economists, are regarded as having extended the Great Depression far longer than it would have lasted.

Oddly enough, 3 of the 4 presidents he named helped to take this nation into major wars.


20 posted on 10/27/2008 1:25:26 PM PDT by Harry Wurzbach (Joe The Plumber & Rep. Thaddeus McCotter are my heroes.)
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To: Fred
What made Lincoln so great was not the man himself...but what trials he had to go through. Lincoln had arrogant generals that didn't listen to him and he had to see thousands upon thousands of men being killed to preserve the union.

If Obama gets elected, he will not be tested like Lincoln - no matter what happens. All he is is someone with three years of experience in the Senate that did absolutely nothing!

RightWingIt.com

21 posted on 10/27/2008 1:26:30 PM PDT by GaryLee1990 (www.RightWingIt.com)
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To: Fred
JFK NoBama
22 posted on 10/27/2008 1:27:28 PM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: livius

Will be an interesting last few days, until the election, if the Dem Candidates, their wives, etc. go into hiding, such as they seem to be doing.


23 posted on 10/27/2008 1:27:59 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: Fred

Actually:
Thomas Jefferson wasn’t a Christian, but he was rabidly in favor of small government and individual liberty.

FDR bankrupted the country and changed our way of life and we’re still living with the consequences of his recklessness.

JFK was a dangerous choice in difficult times. His inexperience sparked off an international crisis and he provided zero leadership to help resolve the growing Vietnam war. But dying at an untimely age has a tendency to wipe out all the bad memories.


24 posted on 10/27/2008 1:33:47 PM PDT by eclecticEel (men who believe deeply in something, even wrong, usually triumph over men who believe in nothing)
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To: UCANSEE2

Yes, and with this supposed “assassination attempt,” conveniently coming right after what he announced would be his big speech, nobody’s even going to dare to question it.


25 posted on 10/27/2008 1:37:16 PM PDT by livius
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To: Fred

George Jefferson, I can believe.


26 posted on 10/27/2008 1:40:06 PM PDT by Sig Sauer P220 (Thanks to the robber barons in D.C. and on Wall St. I've been forced to become a minimalist.)
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To: Fred

“Biden Compares Obama to Lincoln, Jefferson”

George Lincoln Rockwell and George Jefferson. By George.


27 posted on 10/27/2008 1:46:07 PM PDT by ChicagahAl (So your bumper sticker says: "Don't blame me, I didn't vote!"? Duh!)
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To: Fred

Wait til obama’s in office and he throws biden under the bus. I’ve never seen biden’s eyes look so wild as they do of late. He seems to be under immense pressure ... but when one gets in bed with the devil what do you expect.
Joe maybe you can enter a witness protect plan and save yourself.


28 posted on 10/27/2008 1:58:24 PM PDT by nightmarewhileawake
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To: Fred
“The defenders of the status quo..”

Aren't those Marxist code words for...well, anyone that isn’t a Marxist?

29 posted on 10/27/2008 2:07:17 PM PDT by Red Dog #1
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To: Fred

“”The defenders of the status quo have always tried to tear down those who would change our nation for the better,” Biden said.”

It looks like the change is to dump the Constitution.

These people are WAY scary.


30 posted on 10/27/2008 2:18:36 PM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: Fred

Interesting the Biden steers very clear of comparing Obama to the Communist-embracing, Democrat Socialist icon Roosevelt or the Diddler in Chief Clinton. Both are often held up as solid role-models by the Dems.


31 posted on 10/27/2008 3:38:30 PM PDT by mabelkitty (If Bush was an illegitimate President, Obama is the ILLEGAL candidate by Acorn and citizenship)
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