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Police Probe Boy's Gun Show Death
AP ^ | 10/27/2008 | Susan Haigh

Posted on 10/28/2008 6:06:17 AM PDT by politicalmerc

WESTFIELD, Mass. (Oct. 27) - With an instructor watching, an 8-year-old boy at a gun fair aimed an Uzi at a pumpkin and pulled the trigger as his dad reached for a camera. It was his first time shooting a fully automatic machine gun, and the recoil of the weapon was too much for him. He lost control and fatally shot himself in the head.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; guncontrol; guns; tragedy
It may be that I have an 8 year old boy who is fascinated with Guns, it may be that I learned to shoot at 5, it may be that liberal commie pinko trash will use this 8 year olds death for their agenda, but this story just Pi**es me off!!!

No adult in his right mind would hand or allow someone to hand a loaded UZI to an 8 year old boy. I can tell you if I had been there and seen this developing I would have gotten in trouble for walking up and snatching that gun from the two idiot adults before they gave it to the kid.

I just had to share this monument of stupidity. I'm sure the father is absolutely devastated. I pray my son is never killed due to some stupid thing I do. I won't be too hard on him, but I am just dumbfounded that anyone would be so stupid.

Thank God the kid didn't really lose control and mow down the crowd too. I am so sad for this kid though.

1 posted on 10/28/2008 6:06:18 AM PDT by politicalmerc
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To: politicalmerc

What the hek was a loaded gun doing at a gun show ?


2 posted on 10/28/2008 6:11:19 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: politicalmerc

‘I can tell you if I had been there and seen this developing I would have gotten in trouble for walking up and snatching that gun”

He was not the only kid that day to shoot the mini-Uzi, from what I’ve read.


3 posted on 10/28/2008 6:12:33 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: politicalmerc
Why would you give an 8 year old a full auto to fire for the first time by himself?

Would you let an 8 year old play with a band saw?

It is the small but flamboyant minority of complete idiots among 2A defenders that will give the left the propaganda they need to destroy the 2A.

A fully automatic weapon is a powerful tool - not a ******* toy.

I hope this "father" isn't allowed to raise any more children.

4 posted on 10/28/2008 6:13:57 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Oh you are going to LOVE this! The INSTRUCTOR was giving a demonstration and allowed the GALACTICLY STUPID idea of letting the 8 year old SHOOT THE UZI????!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't know if he was suppose to shoot it, or if it just went off, but the recoil caused him to shoot himself in the head.

This "accident" was preventable in so very many ways it has just made me SICK this morning. No 8 year old should shoot or even HOLD a loaded UZI. I would come closer to letting my 8 year old hold a wild COBRA!

The idea that a Paramedic father and the (o*#$(*$^(%^ GUN INSTRUCTOR!!!!! Let an 8 year old hold a loaded UZI is just beyond stupid.

5 posted on 10/28/2008 6:15:38 AM PDT by politicalmerc (NObama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: politicalmerc

What a horrible thing to happen! A day out with dad that turned hideously tragic. I can’t imagine having to tell the boy’s mother. Poor woman, may God give both she and the dad strength.


6 posted on 10/28/2008 6:16:16 AM PDT by Mila
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
“What the hek was a loaded gun doing at a gun show ?”

MSM drivebys are calling this machinegun shoot a gun show, to demonize gun shows. It was not a gun show, but rather an organized shooting event, with a certified instructor per shooter.

The website for the event has been taken down, but I found a 2006 vid:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4f7wTMnWbqQ

Looks like a pretty typical shoot, from my experience, I'm surprised though to see it in the People's Republic of Barney Frank.

7 posted on 10/28/2008 6:18:22 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

It was part of the advertising to get folks to come to the show..... “Machine Gun Shoot and Firearms Expo”


8 posted on 10/28/2008 6:19:25 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspell)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

It was part of the advertising to get folks to come to the show..... “Machine Gun Shoot and Firearms Expo”


9 posted on 10/28/2008 6:19:25 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspell)
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To: politicalmerc

The father ought to be locked up. Its criminal to allow a child to handle something like that. It’d be like letting him drive a car or play with your power tools. Whats wrong with a .22?


10 posted on 10/28/2008 6:20:15 AM PDT by DemonDeac
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To: DBrow

Westfield is in western MA. It’s like a completely different state. I grew up one town over from Westfield.


11 posted on 10/28/2008 6:22:41 AM PDT by Zeddicus
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To: DemonDeac

I was shooting at around 5, so were my kids and my grandkids. I’ve bought most of them their 1st guns, which reside in my safe. All of them were .22 rifles, not even semi-autos. Theses adults should be investigated.


12 posted on 10/28/2008 6:26:28 AM PDT by umgud (In a crisis, dump gold, buy lead)
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To: Zeddicus

An internet search shows another MG shoot in Hanson, MA. I thought that was a boy-band!

The town limits MG shooters to 21 yo with an ID.

http://www.hansonshoot.com/

Next I’ll find a boomershoot in Massachusetts, I bet.


13 posted on 10/28/2008 6:31:16 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: politicalmerc

Idiots! This child was surrounded by idiots when he died.


14 posted on 10/28/2008 6:32:16 AM PDT by Natchez Hawk (Haider was a drunken, suicidial, sad, gay man. At least he lived up to his idol...)
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To: politicalmerc
Bizilj told the Boston Globe he was about 10 feet behind his son and reaching for his camera when the weapon fired. He said his family avoided the larger weapons, but he let his son try the Uzi because it's a small weapon with little recoil.

"This accident was truly a mystery to me," said Bizilj, director of emergency medicine at Johnson Memorial Hospital in Stafford, Conn. "This is a horrible event, a horrible travesty, and I really don't know why it happened."

Anyone that has ever been around full-auto weapons would know that handing an 8 year old a full auto weapon of any kind is a criminally negligent thing to do. I doubt the 8 year old had ever fired even a single shot 9mm, much less one on full auto. In a small frame short barrel weapon the muzzle rise from full auto fire is pretty shocking the first time you try it. I have cycled thousands of 9mm+p rounds thru M9/92F Berettas, and the first time I shot a full auto 9mm sub with non+p, I was pretty amazed at how much effort it took to keep the muzzle down.

I think if I had seen someone hand a full auto Uzi to an 8 year old I would be in jail now for kicking their stupid asses.

15 posted on 10/28/2008 6:34:37 AM PDT by spodefly (Recycling the same posts in multiple threads for seven years!)
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To: spodefly
You know I'm so freaked out by the insanity of this article that I couldn't read it all! I just can't get by the idea that DAD and a CERTIFIED INSTRUCTOR let an 8 year old HOLD a loaded UZI much less fire it. I expect to see another tragic headline tomorrow:

ENRAGED MOTHER KILLS HUSBAND/FATHER BY SHOVING SUV UP HIS ****

16 posted on 10/28/2008 6:39:57 AM PDT by politicalmerc (NObama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: spodefly
I think if I had seen someone hand a full auto Uzi to an 8 year old I would be in jail now for kicking their stupid asses.

Not after a trial by any jury that I'm sitting on.

17 posted on 10/28/2008 6:43:53 AM PDT by thulldud (All your rumor are mong to us.)
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To: spodefly

It’s not just 8 year olds. It can be anyone of any age. I’ve seen videos of adults who had the gun fly up and completely over their head and land 10 feet behind them because they had no experience with a powerful load. I hate going to public ranges because you never know if the other people there are capable of handling weapons or not. I also hate when idiots give such guns to people that they know can’t handle it just to get some laughs.


18 posted on 10/28/2008 6:44:11 AM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: politicalmerc
And as predictable as flies on shite, some (name escape me now) flaming MA libtard is planning to propose legislation to prevent anyone under the age of 21 from firing a gun.

Good thing Ft. Devens closed as that law would have caused some confusion on the firing range at the former Army base.

19 posted on 10/28/2008 6:48:52 AM PDT by Lovely-Day-For-A-Guinness (Eenie meanie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak....)
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To: Lovely-Day-For-A-Guinness
That's funny. Most new recruits are under 21.

The longer I think about it, it's too bad this young kid didn't shoot (non-fatally) the Father and the gun instructor. I would be spending my morning laughing over my corn flakes. I don't like to see anyone hurt but that would have been much better than what happened.

20 posted on 10/28/2008 6:57:29 AM PDT by politicalmerc (NObama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: politicalmerc

This wouldn’t happen if we had gun education. If people understood guns, caliber and the prinicles of gun use. If people understood how guns worked.

We have an uneducated group here.


21 posted on 10/28/2008 6:59:45 AM PDT by Chickensoup ('08 VOTING for the SUPREME COURT that will be BEST for my FAMILY and voting for SARAH PALIN!!!)
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To: Chickensoup

The guy who gave the gun to the 8 year old was a CERTIFIED GUN INSTRUCTOR!!! I just can’t deal with this story...


22 posted on 10/28/2008 7:01:26 AM PDT by politicalmerc (NObama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: politicalmerc

What’s wrong with a two-man chain saw for a warm up ?


23 posted on 10/28/2008 7:04:19 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: politicalmerc

Perhaps he didnt know the ability level of an 8 year old.


24 posted on 10/28/2008 7:08:40 AM PDT by Chickensoup ('08 VOTING for the SUPREME COURT that will be BEST for my FAMILY and voting for SARAH PALIN!!!)
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To: politicalmerc
Where in the world are their brains?

I started with BB guns at the age of five and was allowed to shoot 22 shorts through a single shot, break action rifle at the age of eight.

I was not allowed to fire a higher power rifle until I started hunting with shotguns at the age of 11 (started shooting target and clays with 410’s at the age of eight) and showed that I could handle the weapon and it's recoil safely.

I have done the same with my children and they not only handle any weapon with respect they are very safe and can be trusted with them.

25 posted on 10/28/2008 7:11:11 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: politicalmerc

Was there an open bar at this gun show? Because acts of stupidity this incredible are usually accompanied by lots of alcohol.


26 posted on 10/28/2008 7:11:28 AM PDT by around the world
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To: politicalmerc
A single shot .22, ok. A fully auto Uzi! Are you out of what's left of your mind???

I'm sorry, but that's about as poor of judgment as you can get.

Unfortunately, involuntary man slaughter charges are probably on the way for the two adults.

27 posted on 10/28/2008 7:11:38 AM PDT by Freeport
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To: politicalmerc

The lie in the headline is that the accident took place at a “Gun Show.”

Gun shows are indoor events where guns and other goods are bought and sold. There is no shooting, and no loaded guns. This accident took place at a shooting range. This was not a “gun show” tragedy” but a “gun range” tragedy.

The actual event, as noted later in the article, was: Machine Gun Shoot and Firearms Expo at the Westfield Sportsman’s Club, co-sponsored by C.O.P. Firearms & Training.


28 posted on 10/28/2008 7:28:48 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Guns don't kill people, criminals and the governments that create them do.)
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To: politicalmerc
There is an unhealthy tendency in society for modern parents to get their kids doing things at younger and younger ages.

I grew up with guns in the house (loaded and hanging on the wall) and in a family that hunted year around. That said, my father didn't feel it was appropriate for me to fire my first firearm until I was 10. He would have NEVER allowed me to fire an automatic weapon until I was in my teens.

I have an 8 & a 10-year-old, and there is absolutely NO WAY I think that it would be acceptable to allow them or any of their friends to fire an UZI on their own.

To me this is like throwing them behind the controls of a bulldozer to get some cute pictures of them knocking down a tree.

29 posted on 10/28/2008 7:33:02 AM PDT by SampleMan (Community Organizer: What liberals do when they run out of college, before they run out of Marxism.)
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To: SampleMan

Good post. Remember the idiot who committed suicide and murdered his little daughter by having her flying planes at the age of five or six?


30 posted on 10/28/2008 7:51:39 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: SampleMan

Jessica Dubroff. 7 years old.


31 posted on 10/28/2008 7:55:01 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake
I could have done without that stupidity this morning too. Thanks for posting it though.... I have an 8 year old, and he is smart and talented, and will be (if I don't do something stupid to get him killed) a brilliant adult. But we have to realize that smart and talented does not substitute for EXPERIENCED AND MATURE.

When I was 19 I thought I was the smartest man on earth. I'm 41 now and I know what to be afraid of! The boast is literally correct: "I have forgotten (now) more than a 19 year old knows!" That is at least true of the 19 that I was....

No offense to our younger members. Trust me, I can't explain it to you, and there is no way for you to understand. Talk to me in 20 years.

32 posted on 10/28/2008 8:00:29 AM PDT by politicalmerc (NObama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: wideawake
If I was God I would have let the flight instructor and Dad die and the 7 year old would have lived....

We really need to stop involving kids in dangerous activities to make them the "youngest" to cheat death in some way.

33 posted on 10/28/2008 8:07:58 AM PDT by politicalmerc (NObama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: wideawake

No offense, but they died because they took off into unsafe weather conditions to try and meet a media schedule. That kind of crash kills people every year, and it’s stupid and preventable, but it didn’t have anything to do with the girl’s age.


34 posted on 10/28/2008 9:03:06 AM PDT by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: politicalmerc

Did I read somewhere that the kid was already an experienced shooter with calibers much more powerful than 9mm? I could have sworn I saw that in an article somewhere.

I’m withholding judgment on the father and instructor until I hear more. And I certainly won’t say letting children fire automatic weapons is necessarily a good idea. But if the child were able to handle with full-power handguns and rifles safely and competently, I don’t know that it’s a stretch to let him squeeze off a couple bursts from a 9mm Uzi. Another article I read said that other kids were firing it that day, obviously with no ill effects.


35 posted on 10/28/2008 9:12:30 AM PDT by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: DBrow
MSM drivebys are calling this machinegun shoot a gun show, to demonize gun shows.

I'm amazed that either is tolerated in Massachusetts.

36 posted on 10/28/2008 9:17:15 AM PDT by gundog (I'm a bitter gun owner, and I vote.)
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To: Turbopilot
it didn’t have anything to do with the girl’s age

Of course not.

An experienced adult pilot with years of inclement flight-time logged and a 7 year old girl who has been flying for a short time as a gimmick are evenly matched when it comes to flying into a storm.

How silly of me not to realize.

37 posted on 10/28/2008 9:19:22 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: SampleMan
There is an unhealthy tendency in society for modern parents to get their kids doing things at younger and younger ages


38 posted on 10/28/2008 9:29:14 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Secondhand Aztlan Smoke causes drug addiction obesity in global warming cancer immigrant terrorists.)
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To: SampleMan
There is an unhealthy tendency in society for modern parents to get their kids doing things at younger and younger ages


39 posted on 10/28/2008 9:29:42 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Secondhand Aztlan Smoke causes drug addiction obesity in global warming cancer immigrant terrorists.)
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To: politicalmerc

I’ve been shooting since I was five. When my dad was teaching me, he held the gun back with his hands when I held it because he knew there’d be recoil.

The same method I’ve used with my daughters...all without incident for years.

The father had no idea what he was doing and I’m surprised the guy “renting” the UZI didn’t. I won’t hammer the father because I’m sure he has no interest in living either—God intervene he and his family.


40 posted on 10/28/2008 9:37:56 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper
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To: Lazamataz

Isn’t that a picture of Obama’s new program promoting the right of every fetus to commit suicide, thus saving the mother from being punished?


41 posted on 10/28/2008 9:48:14 AM PDT by SampleMan (Community Organizer: What liberals do when they run out of college, before they run out of Marxism.)
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To: wideawake

An experienced adult pilot was flying the airplane at the time it crashed. His poor decision-making, and not anyone’s airmanship, was the cause. Blaming the little girl is just factually incorrect.


42 posted on 10/28/2008 10:20:03 AM PDT by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: Chickensoup

>Perhaps he didnt know the ability level of an 8 year old.<

Would he have had an 8 year old simultaneously pull both triggers on a double barrel 12 gauge? Why on earth would he let a little kid like that shoot an Uzi, of all things??


43 posted on 10/28/2008 11:38:09 AM PDT by Darnright (A penny saved is a government oversight)
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