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An economical battery of guns for the backwoods home
Backwoods Home ^ | 10-27-08 | Massad Ayoob

Posted on 10/28/2008 6:05:08 PM PDT by SJackson

Everything's getting more expensive. Food. Gasoline. Guns and ammunition. Not everyone who appreciates the rural lifestyle was "born with a gun in their hand" the way some of us feel as if we've been. Many are urban-dwellers who've figured out for themselves that living closer to nature is a better way, and nothing from their previous metropolitan lifestyle has prepared them for their sudden realization that firearms are important, routinely-used tools for those who live "in the country."

Reading is good, but training is better. My advice to the people new to guns would be to take a firearms safety course before buying their first firearm. It'll give them a better idea of what they want, what they need, and what will suit them in terms of the size, the power, and the mechanics of the many, many firearms they have the option of buying. Your local office of the state Fish and Wildlife Department will be able to steer you toward hunter safety and firearms safety courses. As adult education goes, these courses are extremely affordable. If self-defense is your primary concern, your local gun shop or police department can direct you to armed citizen training programs. Most of these are geared toward folks about to apply for concealed carry permits, but the advice encompassed in their curricula are essential even for those only concerned with defending the home against violent intrusion.

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1 posted on 10/28/2008 6:05:08 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: Iowa Granny; Ladysmith; Diana in Wisconsin; JLO; sergeantdave; damncat; phantomworker; joesnuffy; ..
If you'd like to be on or off this Upper Midwest/outdoors/rural list please FR mail me. And ping me is you see articles of interest.

At an absolute minimum, I would suggest four guns for the backwoods home. These would be a .22, a shotgun, a defensive-type handgun, and a high-powered rifle.

Four, as in 4?

Only one of each?

My wife will never see this thread.

2 posted on 10/28/2008 6:06:42 PM PDT by SJackson (I don't believe that people should be able to own guns, BH Obama to John Lott)
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To: SJackson

First time in my life folks;

Watching Charlie Brown Pumpkin with the kids. Charlie Brown Election comes on after it. During a commercial break (and already ran the kids to bed) I mentioned that Obama told everyone to take a day off of work for election. I feel that is for a frenzy to build if he loses, just my opinion though.

But I asked my husband, we do have ammo, right?

It seemed surreal, but I was dead honest and I almost had to step back and think, Good God, I don’t live in Zimbabwe, I live in America!

Crazy times.


3 posted on 10/28/2008 6:07:55 PM PDT by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: SJackson

If I wanted to buy a handgun for home security, say, a Glock, what model should I consider? Thanks.


4 posted on 10/28/2008 6:09:11 PM PDT by Harry Wurzbach (Joe The Plumber & Rep. Thaddeus McCotter are my heroes.)
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To: SJackson
I say...if you know how many guns you have....

You don't have enough.

5 posted on 10/28/2008 6:09:58 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Obama's heart is blacker than the devil's riding boots...............)
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To: SJackson

bump


6 posted on 10/28/2008 6:10:06 PM PDT by VOA
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To: autumnraine

It is crazy. I only have two magazines for my .40 cal. Beretta and magazines are expensive!


7 posted on 10/28/2008 6:11:39 PM PDT by rabidralph (Yeah, she's all that.)
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To: SJackson

Better remember to get ammo, in quantities that will survive an all-out ban on ammo purchases over Obama’s possible presidency combined with a congress that’ probably too liberal to get elected in Amsterdam. Should the socialists take the nation over, it might be necessary to weather the storm until reality strikes the populace and they collectively realize “Ooh, that wasn’t good.”

In short, if you own a gun without ammo, you don’t own a gun.


8 posted on 10/28/2008 6:14:34 PM PDT by kittycatonline.com
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To: autumnraine

The price of ammo will likely rise, so it’s always a good idea to have plenty of it.


9 posted on 10/28/2008 6:15:18 PM PDT by monkeycard (There's no such thing as too much ammo.)
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To: SJackson

I like Massad Ayoob’s articles. Useful information clearly presented.


10 posted on 10/28/2008 6:15:55 PM PDT by biscuit jane
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To: glock rocks; B4Ranch

Comments?


11 posted on 10/28/2008 6:16:06 PM PDT by tubebender (Why do we drive a on a Parkway but park on a Driveway)
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To: SJackson

If your wife ever starts giving you a hard time about buying firearms, bring up her washing machine, the one she washes clothes in, the dish washer, the bathroom sink, the kitchen sink, the washtub and the buckets she uses to wash her car. If she doesn’t get the idea then bring up wash cloths, sponges, steel wool, on and on and on. Don’t worry, you are holding the winning cards. Pillows, shoes, coats, on and on and on.


12 posted on 10/28/2008 6:17:26 PM PDT by B4Ranch (I'd rather have a VP that can gut a Moose, than a President that wants to gut our Second Amendment!)
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To: Harry Wurzbach
I'd recommend that you look at the Springfield Armory XD line of pistols. I purchased one this year after comparing them to Glock.

IMO, it's a better value.

L

13 posted on 10/28/2008 6:18:11 PM PDT by Lurker (She's not a lesbian, she doesn't whine, she doesn't hate her country, and she's not afraid of guns.)
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To: Harry Wurzbach

“If I wanted to buy a handgun for home security, say, a Glock, what model should I consider? Thanks.”

G19


14 posted on 10/28/2008 6:19:51 PM PDT by ibbryn (this tag intentionally left blank)
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To: Lurker

If your’re not ccw’ing, you can get the 9mm with a 19 round mag.


15 posted on 10/28/2008 6:21:47 PM PDT by umgud (In a crisis, dump gold, buy lead)
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To: autumnraine
First time in my life folks;

Watching Charlie Brown Pumpkin with the kids. Charlie Brown Election comes on after it. During a commercial break (and already ran the kids to bed) I mentioned that Obama told everyone to take a day off of work for election. I feel that is for a frenzy to build if he loses, just my opinion though.

But I asked my husband, we do have ammo, right?

It seemed surreal, but I was dead honest and I almost had to step back and think, Good God, I don’t live in Zimbabwe, I live in America!

Crazy times.


No doubt. I'm going to have to get out my Charlie Brown holiday DVD and enjoy a nostalgic moment in the next day or so. Maybe sooner or later the media will figure out that this guy is not who he pretends to be. You know he will welcome election night violence if he loses.

Nothing seems sacred anymore. You settle your differences at the ballot box. We've already went through one real internal war as a nation to settle political questions. And what is even the question today? Many of the divisions and problems in this country are fake. Think about it. One of the top three problems in this country according to the media is the illegality of same-sex marriage. Incredible.

Anyways, the true Obama hates whites. He hates the burbs. He chose radical left black as his identity growing up, as he makes clear in one of his autobiographies.

If the Peanuts were remade today, Charlie Brown would have a gay friend and would be worried more about global warming and the US ratifying the Kyoto Treaty than getting invited to the neighborhood Halloween party or getting something other than a lump of coal when he went trick or treating.
16 posted on 10/28/2008 6:21:54 PM PDT by Harry Wurzbach (Joe The Plumber & Rep. Thaddeus McCotter are my heroes.)
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To: Harry Wurzbach

I have several Glocks and the most fun and economical to shoot is the 17. The wifee even likes it.


17 posted on 10/28/2008 6:22:45 PM PDT by mcshot (Bitterly Loving God, Family, and Guns more then ever. The Constitution Dammit.)
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To: rabidralph
www.midwayusa.com
18 posted on 10/28/2008 6:23:39 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: mcshot

And the 19 fires the same round as the 17 but is just a bit smaller in case you need to carry it. I have a 17 & 19.


19 posted on 10/28/2008 6:24:01 PM PDT by ibbryn (this tag intentionally left blank)
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To: Harry Wurzbach; SJackson

If you are extremely experienced with handguns a Glock, or other automatic pistol without an external safety is right for you.

If you are experienced with handguns get an auto pistol with an external safety.

If you have little or no experience, get a revolver.

Regardless of what you buy...practice, practice, practice.


20 posted on 10/28/2008 6:24:33 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Harry Wurzbach; tubebender; B4Ranch

Any one of them, but preferably one whose caliber begins with a 4. If you can afford a Glock, you can look at SIGs. Same rule applies.

OTOH, the prime home defense arm is a shotgun.


21 posted on 10/28/2008 6:25:01 PM PDT by glock rocks (I'm the NRA, and I vote. Pray for the republic.)
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To: SJackson; All

Very good article and very informative.

Thanks SJ!! BTTT !!


22 posted on 10/28/2008 6:25:03 PM PDT by musicman (Sarah Palin Runs A STATE - Barack Obama Runs His MOUTH)
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To: Grizzled Bear

And regardless of your experience, know and follow the 4 rules of gun safety at all times.


23 posted on 10/28/2008 6:25:40 PM PDT by ibbryn (this tag intentionally left blank)
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To: SJackson

Well, in all fairness, the gentleman did say “At an absolute minimum,” to qualify his statement.


24 posted on 10/28/2008 6:25:52 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS
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To: Lurker

I looked at the XD but my dealer gave me an excellent deal on the Smith and Wesson M&P (Mil Spec). It includes a case and three 10 round magazines.


25 posted on 10/28/2008 6:26:39 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: umgud
If your’re not ccw’ing, you can get the 9mm with a 19 round mag.

... or a Glock 9mm with a 30 round factory mag :o)

26 posted on 10/28/2008 6:26:45 PM PDT by glock rocks (I'm the NRA, and I vote. Pray for the republic.)
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To: autumnraine
It seemed surreal, but I was dead honest and I almost had to step back and think, Good God, I don’t live in Zimbabwe, I live in America!

Neither did the people living in Rhodesia, until it became Zimbabwe.

27 posted on 10/28/2008 6:28:07 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: B4Ranch
If your wife ever starts giving you a hard time about buying firearms, bring up...

In fairness she doesn't, though she has given questionable advice on trades once or twice, as in you can't trade that because..., usually family things.

28 posted on 10/28/2008 6:28:25 PM PDT by SJackson (I don't believe that people should be able to own guns, BH Obama to John Lott)
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To: B4Ranch
If your wife ever starts giving you a hard time about buying firearms,

Mine gave me a hard time about buying a shotgun (Browning BPS). About 2 months after that I had to go out of town to class for a week. The Saturday after I got back I went to get it out of the hall closet to go skeet shooting with some people from work. It was gone.

I found it under the bed.

29 posted on 10/28/2008 6:29:19 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: randomhero97

Thank you, so much!


30 posted on 10/28/2008 6:31:25 PM PDT by rabidralph (Yeah, she's all that.)
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To: B4Ranch
If your wife ever starts giving you a hard time about buying firearms

... sounds like you're speaking from experience?

31 posted on 10/28/2008 6:31:34 PM PDT by glock rocks (I'm the NRA, and I vote. Pray for the republic.)
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To: SJackson
At an absolute minimum, I would suggest four guns for the backwoods home. These would be a .22, a shotgun, a defensive-type handgun, and a high-powered rifle.

Four, as in 4?

Only one of each?

Well, here are rules - you have to carry your guns and the ammo for them, along with your sleeping bag, tent, water, food, stove, canteen cup, first aid kit, knife and compass twenty miles into the woods...

32 posted on 10/28/2008 6:31:36 PM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (Ecclesiastes 5:10 - 20)
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To: Harry Wurzbach
If I wanted to buy a handgun for home security, say, a Glock, what model should I consider? Thanks.

I'm a bit of a revolver fan, but the most important issue is your comfort level with the handgun you own, your ability to place the first 2 or 3 shots on target under high stress.

You'll get plenty of advice on the thread, but if you've got a handgun you're comfortable with, start there.

My "handgun" choice strictly for home defence, a shotgun.

33 posted on 10/28/2008 6:34:22 PM PDT by SJackson (I don't believe that people should be able to own guns, BH Obama to John Lott)
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To: Screaming_Gerbil
Well, here are rules - you have to carry your guns and the ammo for them, along with your sleeping bag, tent, water, food, stove, canteen cup, first aid kit, knife and compass twenty miles into the woods...

Done that, narrows it down to two, at most, one if I'm not hunting.

34 posted on 10/28/2008 6:35:56 PM PDT by SJackson (I don't believe that people should be able to own guns, BH Obama to John Lott)
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To: SJackson; glock rocks; Grizzled Bear; mcshot; ibbryn; Lurker

Thanks!


35 posted on 10/28/2008 6:38:11 PM PDT by Harry Wurzbach (Joe The Plumber & Rep. Thaddeus McCotter are my heroes.)
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To: SJackson

Thanks


36 posted on 10/28/2008 6:39:03 PM PDT by Harry Wurzbach (Joe The Plumber & Rep. Thaddeus McCotter are my heroes.)
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To: SJackson

S&W M&P15T
Mossberg 930 SPX
Kimber Warrior
Barrett 98B


37 posted on 10/28/2008 6:39:47 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Harry Wurzbach

While I don’t recommend Glocks since the safety is on the trigger, meaning the trigger is the only safety, they are reliable and I have owned two with no problems. I would recommend going to a shooting range that rents them and try a few. I would consider the 9mm as the least powerful round to consider (Glock 17 is full sized 9mm and Glock 19 is smaller). Going up in power are the .40 cal S&W, 45ACP and 10mm. The 10mm is most powerful (Glock 20 is full sized and 29 is smaller) but ammo is more expensive and recoil makes them more difficult to shoot. I am not familiar with the 40 cal Glocks, but this round is almost up to 45ACP power levels. In 45ACP there is the full sized Glock 21, the smaller Glock 30 and the compact Glock 36.

I have owned the Glock 19 9mm and the Glock 30 45ACP. If you can handle the recoil I would go with the Glock 21 or 30 in 45ACP. If not, I would go with the Glock 17 or 19. I mention these two calibers because the ammo is more common and is cheaper, giving you more opportunity to practice. For self-defense loads use a premium hollow-point if you don’t live in NJ. Good brands are Speer Gold Dot, Federal HST, Winchester SXT, and there are others. For practice use less expensive full metal jacket (FMJ), but make sure you shoot a few boxes of the home defense choice to make sure it will feed reliably.

You may want to try other guns you can rent too. A 357 magnum revolver can shoot 38 special ammo as well and reliability is usually better than with a semi-auto pistol. I personally like a thumb safety on a semi-auto. Many quality manufacturers offer guns that are similar to Glocks, but with a real safety feature.


38 posted on 10/28/2008 6:39:51 PM PDT by MtnClimber (http://www.jeffhead.com/obama/nobamanation-sticker.jpg)
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To: Harry Wurzbach

Glock 17. I loved it so much I now have 3 of them.

If you want a .45 get the glock 21 I have one of those as well and its sweet to shoot.


39 posted on 10/28/2008 6:40:01 PM PDT by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: glock rocks

I showed her the Barrett website, told her they would deliver to our doorstep and she calmed right down. Hey, she looks at $10K jewelry so I should be able to look at $10K weaponry. Right?


40 posted on 10/28/2008 6:46:05 PM PDT by B4Ranch (I'd rather have a VP that can gut a Moose, than a President that wants to gut our Second Amendment!)
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To: glock rocks

I’m in CA and can only have 10rnds, which my G26 and G30 both carry.


41 posted on 10/28/2008 6:46:47 PM PDT by umgud (In a crisis, dump gold, buy lead)
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To: Harry Wurzbach
If I wanted to buy a handgun for home security, say, a Glock, what model should I consider? Thanks.

Speaking as an NRA Instructor with 20 years of experience, your best bet is the Glock Model 19 in 9mm. That's a first step. The very next step is to take a good NRA training class. Step #3 would be to join an IDPA Club and actually participate in the classes. It's not Gunsite or Thunder Ranch but it's a good way for a novice to learn tactical problem solving in a safe and secure environment. Another great place to hang out is another forum where I hang my hat: DEFENSIVE CARRY

42 posted on 10/28/2008 6:48:50 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: tacticalogic
My wife made me buy here a 9mm last summer. Now she wants me to be sure to have the stuff to load at least 500 rds of ammo.

Married life sure gets expensive!! :)

43 posted on 10/28/2008 6:50:28 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: SJackson

“Four, as in 4?

Only one of each?”

That has to be “per Person.”

That’s my story, anyway. ;)


44 posted on 10/28/2008 6:51:00 PM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: Grizzled Bear
f you are extremely experienced with handguns a Glock, or other automatic pistol without an external safety is right for you.

If you are experienced with handguns get an auto pistol with an external safety.

If you have little or no experience, get a revolver.

Regardless of what you buy...practice, practice, practice.

Great advice, it should be repeated.

45 posted on 10/28/2008 6:51:19 PM PDT by TYVets
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To: Grizzled Bear
f you are extremely experienced with handguns a Glock, or other automatic pistol without an external safety is right for you.

If you are experienced with handguns get an auto pistol with an external safety.

If you have little or no experience, get a revolver.

Regardless of what you buy...practice, practice, practice.

Great advice, it should be repeated.

46 posted on 10/28/2008 6:51:19 PM PDT by TYVets
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To: umgud

I hear ya. I’ve got some 30 rd sticks for the G26, wish the G30 had a similar mag. Hell, when I’m king, we’ll all have G18’s :o)


47 posted on 10/28/2008 6:53:56 PM PDT by glock rocks (I'm the NRA, and I vote. Pray for the republic.)
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To: SJackson
Jackie Clay, probably our most popular featured writer at Backwoods Home Magazine, considers venison a staple of her larder and shoots her annual supply with a lever-action Winchester Model 94 .30-30, the classic "deer rifle."

My kinda life!

48 posted on 10/28/2008 6:56:33 PM PDT by GVnana ("I once dressed as Tina Fey for Halloween." - Sarah Palin)
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To: randomhero97

“www.midwayusa.com “

excellent choice.

however.. . .this is not the time for buying individual boxes.
tis the season for cases. . .

http://www.ammoman.com


49 posted on 10/28/2008 6:57:08 PM PDT by stompk
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To: redgolum
Mine says she doesn't like guns.

About a year after we got married, she was working nights and was trying to get some sleep one morning when a woodpecker decided to go after the aluminum downspout right outside her window. After about 10 minutes of this she got up, took down a Winchester single shot .22 from the rack, dropped in a short, walked out on the deck and neatly separated his head from the rest of his body at about 15 yards, and went back to bed.

50 posted on 10/28/2008 6:57:28 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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