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Opinion: Is there a ‘Catholic Vote’? Will Catholics Decide this Election?
Catholic Online ^ | 10/31/08 | Deacon Keith Fournier

Posted on 10/30/2008 3:33:23 PM PDT by tcg

Make no mistake; those who say that a Catholic with a truly formed conscience can choose to vote for such a candidate when an alternative is available - who acknowledges the right to life, opposes Roe v Wade and refuses to sign the Freedom of Choice Act - are wrong. When they tell Catholics that such a choice is a proper interpretation of Catholic Moral teaching they must be exposed and opposed. I cannot and will not vote for a candidate who fails to recognize the very ground of all fundamental human rights, the right to life. In this election, that candidate talks a lot about the poor but then selectively hears the cry of only some of them. He stops his ears to the cry of the ones whom Blessed Mother Theresa called the “poorest of the poor”, children in the womb. Every issue of human rights is a “moral issue”. Catholic teachers of constitutional Law are not the moral teachers of our Church. That is particularly obvious when their analysis is so clearly in error. The moral teachers of our Catholic Church are our Bishops, in union with Pope.

Is there a ‘Catholic Vote’? Will it Turn this election? Well, as to the first question, not in the way in which there needs to be in the future. However, as to the second question, if every Catholic who knows the truth concerning the humanity of our first neighbors in the womb votes in a manner consistent with the moral duty that such a knowledge brings with it - by rejecting the candidate who refuses to recognize their right to life and who will set back efforts to protect them - then Catholics will decide this election. We will all know very soon.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; antichrist; catholics; obamatruth; president
We now reach within the womb to operate on our smallest neighbors.How then can any candidate support reaching inside that same womb to kill them as a 'right'?
1 posted on 10/30/2008 3:33:24 PM PDT by tcg
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To: tcg
I do not understand how any “HUMAN” can be
for the planned murder of the most helpless!
2 posted on 10/30/2008 3:38:29 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Obama and ITS thugs are made paranoid by Sarahnoia. (stole from molly_jack2007))
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To: tcg
It won't be decided so much by who votes but rather how they vote, with their eyes open or closed.

I've learned that regardless of the candidate or the party, the gap between what is promised and what is delivered is a virtual canyon. Which is why I focus more on what a candidate has done rather than on what they promise to do.

If people do their homework and learn what each candidate is about, I can promise that none of them will know exactly what each candidate will do, but they will have a reasonable understanding of what each candidate is capable of doing.

I hope the voters eyes are open.
3 posted on 10/30/2008 3:47:07 PM PDT by HEY4QDEMS
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To: tcg

It is a horrible thing to consider the fact that 50,000,000 “fetuses” have been aborted since roe V wade. Many people in this country better hope there is never a “judgement day”, but I personally believe they are in for a rude awakening.

4 posted on 10/30/2008 3:48:03 PM PDT by DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
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To: tcg

I know I’m posting it to much but I have to cry out to my Co-Religionists, not you guys I know but I just have to.

Before Pope Benedict came to America to celebrate Mass in New York and Washington, it was revealed that as a young boy in Germany he had had a cousin with Down Syndrome. One day a Nazi doctor came and claimed his cousin for the Third Reich. Taken to be “cared for” at the “hospital” young Karl Ratzinger never saw his cousin again: one of the host of “useless eaters” marked for extermination by that brutal regime.

My wife and I operate St. Joseph’s House, a daycare and respite care home for handicapped children. As it happened one of the children we care for, a wheelchair bound young lady, was chosen along with three other handicapped folks to carry the gifts up to the altar before the consecration at the Mass at Nationals Stadium in Washington D.C. on April 17, 2008. One of these was James, a 30ish man who works in the Officer’s Club at Andrews AFB. James has Down Syndrome. He was chosen to carry the large host which would become the Body of Christ lifted up before the assembled. As James with great ceremony advanced toward the Pope, his native enthusi­asm overcame his reserve and he started to run. Simultaneously the Holy Father leapt from his chair and walked towards James with his arms out­stretched. We have a picture of this moment which I cannot look at without tearing up. What did he see as he gazed so lovingly at James? I believe he saw his cousin. I believe he saw the face of Jesus. And I believe that his great prayer as he elevated that host on that impossibly beautiful day was “As long as you did to these the least of my brethren, you did it to Me.”

The next day April 18th, a boy was born to of all people, the Gover­nor of Alaska. They named him Trig.

5 posted on 10/30/2008 3:51:25 PM PDT by lmc12
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To: tcg

While I hold all these truths of the Church to be self evident, I am saddened by how many of my fellow Catholics have been deceived by the great deceiver that the so-called “vote of conscience” allows you to vote for a democrat in the name of moral justices. It mystifies me, but there are lots of Catholics out there voting for “choice.”

6 posted on 10/30/2008 3:51:58 PM PDT by Integrityrocks
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Last Sunday, my parents’ deacon gave a particularly moving pro-life homily that brought tears to their eyes. Someone started clapping, and about half the congregation joined in - but only half. The rest sat on their hands. In my own parish, the pastor chased us out of the parking lot in 2004 because we were putting pro-life literature on cars.

We’re in the conservative “T” of PA. I just don’t understand what could be more important to Catholics than protecting the unborn.

7 posted on 10/30/2008 3:55:09 PM PDT by Savagemom
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To: lmc12

Great post. Thank you.

8 posted on 10/30/2008 3:56:11 PM PDT by Integrityrocks
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To: lmc12

Thank you for sharing this!

9 posted on 10/30/2008 3:57:38 PM PDT by Savagemom
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To: tcg

I am Catholic, and my wife is Catholic... AND WE ARE VOTING FOR McCAIN-PALIN.

Any Catholic voting for Barak Obama or Joe Biden is willfully taking part in the most grave sin of abortion, and thus that individual excommunicates themself from the Catholic Church.

Canon 1398 provides that, “a person who procures a successful abortion incurs an automatic (latae sententiae) excommunication.” This means that at the very moment that the abortion is successfully accomplished, the woman and all formal conspirators are excommunicated.

An abortion is defined as “the killing of the foetus, in whatever way or at whatever time from the moment of conception” (Pontifical Council for the Interpretation of Legislative Texts, published in the “Acts of the Apostolic See” vol. 80 (1988), 1818). This definition applies to any means, including drugs, by which a human being present in the woman is killed. Thus, once a woman knows she is pregnant the intentional killing of the new life within her is not only murder but an excommunicable offense. A woman who only thinks she might be pregnant has a grave responsibility to find out and to protect the possible life within. Any action to end a “possible” pregnancy while probably not an excommunicable offense would be callous disregard for life and gravely sinful.

Conspirators who incur the excommunication can be defined as those who make access to the abortion possible. This certainly includes doctors and nurses who actually do it, husbands, family and others whose counsel and encouragement made it morally possible for the woman, and those whose direct practical support made it possible (financially, driving to the clinic etc.).

Clearly those who think the availability of chemical abortions will settle the abortion issue are deluded. It will only widen to drug manufacturers, pharmacists and family physicians those guilty of grave sin and subject to excommunication. [It should also be noted that many contraceptive pills are already abortifacient in operation. Theoretically, the knowing use of such a pill for its abortafacient purpose could also subject one to excommunication. Pill manufacturers have recently been touting this capability of their deadly wares.]

NOTE WELL To actually incur the excommunication one must know that it is an excommunicable offense at the time of the abortion. Canon 1323 provides that the following do not incur a sanction, those who are not yet 16, are unaware of a law, do not advert to it or are in error about its scope, were forced or had an unforeseeable accident, acted out of grave fear, or who lacked the use of reason (except culpably, as by drunkenness). Thus a woman forced by an abusive husband to have an abortion would not incur an excommunication, for instance, whereas someone culpably under the influence of drugs or alcohol would (canon 1325).

In any case, whether one has been excommunicated or not, the sin of abortion must be confessed as the taking of innocent human life (5th Commandment). If the penitent did not know about this law at the time of the abortion then he or she was NOT excommunicated. If the person knew about the law but there were extenuating circumstances (such as mentioned above concerning c. 1323) then these factors should be mentioned to the confessor. He will say whether he has the faculty from the bishop to absolve from this excommunication or whether he even needs to. If he does not, he will privately and secretly obtain absolution from the bishop or send the person to a confessor who has that power.

A person who believes they have been excommunicated must refrain from Holy Communion until both absolution for the sin and absolution for the excommunication has been given.

One complicating factor for anyone in this situation is that intentionally withholding mortal sin (abortion) or knowledge of one’s excommunication invalidates ALL the absolutions for other sins given since the time of the intentionally overlooked sin. Culpably withholding mortal sin or an excommunication means that even after the priest says the words of absolution because of dishonesty on the penitent’s part, the sin has not been absolved. Absolution is not magic, it depends upon sincere repentance from all known mortal sins and a firm purpose of amendment. Such sins would need to be confessed again, as part of an integral (complete and honest) confession. This is not the case if the person did not know that what they did was sinful in the eyes of God and the Church, but only found out this out latter. Since they did not withhold from confession what they knew to be sinful their prior confessions are valid.

The Church makes every effort to make Penance available and obliges priests to make anonymity possible as well (c. 964). There is really no valid excuse for delaying one’s full return to the sacraments. All those who have had abortions should come home to Christ and the Church.

10 posted on 10/30/2008 4:02:00 PM PDT by TCH (Another redneck clinging to guns and religion)
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To: DeepInTheHeartOfTexas

50 million WOMEN killed their babies

11 posted on 10/30/2008 4:03:11 PM PDT by FES0844 (FES0844)
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To: lmc12

I just called my dtr to read your post. We’re both crying. What a beautiful story. Do you have any pictures? A good friend of mine at school had Downes Syndrome. I think of her often may she RIP.

God bless you for all your good work. Taking care of special needs kids has to be very difficult.

12 posted on 10/30/2008 4:03:37 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: tcg
I have been truly disappointed with the number of Obama bumper stickers in the parking lot of my parish each Sunday. Funny, though, that some of the same car owners are the ones who choose to pray and sing the loudest. (They also seem to wear the necklaces with the largest beads)
13 posted on 10/30/2008 4:05:15 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: tcg
Father John Corapi, STD, weighs in...forcefully, I might add.
14 posted on 10/30/2008 4:08:13 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: Integrityrocks
While I hold all these truths of the Church to be self evident, I am saddened by how many of my fellow Catholics have been deceived by the great deceiver that the so-called “vote of conscience” allows you to vote for a democrat in the name of moral justices. It mystifies me, but there are lots of Catholics out there voting for “choice.”

In my world you either drop out of the Church or support the basic fundamental of the Church. I think the CINOs need to be purged by the priests, bishops, etc.

15 posted on 10/30/2008 4:13:17 PM PDT by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: tcg

If there is a Catholic Vote, why are all the Catholic Senators, PRO ABORTION?

16 posted on 10/30/2008 4:24:02 PM PDT by ethics
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To: tcg
Yes there is a Catholic vote and the ones who take God and their eternal life very seriously will vote against Obama this election.

I pray Our Lord posts an angel at each and every voting booth to turn the hearts of the 'pro-choice' Catholics at the last minute to vote for Life above every other issue.

Pray unceasingly.

17 posted on 10/30/2008 4:24:14 PM PDT by pray4liberty (Watch, pray, and work. This election will separate the sheep from the goats.)
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To: ethics

Who said the Senators are Catholic? I could say I was Polish but that wouldn’t make me so! These folks crossed the line into heresy long ago!

This is a Catholic speaking...listen carefully:

18 posted on 10/30/2008 4:30:44 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: bronxville

I have pictures but they were taken by the Pope’s photographer and there some code or something in them that doesn’t let me post them on-line.

19 posted on 10/30/2008 4:35:46 PM PDT by lmc12
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To: tcg

I believe there is a strong pro-life Catholic vote. This vote is much more unified than it was in the previous two presidetial elections.

20 posted on 10/30/2008 4:37:29 PM PDT by ardara
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To: tcg
I can understand how anyone can fall out from the Church, but I can't understand how the Church itself can fall from Scripture. I'm told that the Church leaders want to maintain their congregations and that it's more important to stay mainstream and relevant and keep the pews full than it is to strictly adhere to Principles and thus run people off. If people aren't in Church, then they can't be reached and their ways can't be guided and corrected.

To me, it sounds like the rot runs deep, that in too many cases, the Churches have become political, not spiritual. How else can someone like Pelosi or Biden be considered good Catholics and receive Communion? It must be all that money and fame they bring to their Parishes. What is the price of a soul or the soul of the Church itself? I wonder what Jesus would say.

21 posted on 10/30/2008 4:49:13 PM PDT by GBA
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To: lmc12
Today's First Readings at Mass -- October 30, 2008.  Words in blue are explained below.
Reading 1
Eph 6:10-20

Brothers and sisters:
Draw your strength from the Lord and from his mighty power.
Put on the armor of God so that you may be able to stand firm
against the tactics of the Devil.
For our struggle is not with flesh and blood
but with the principalities, with the powers,
with the world rulers of this present darkness,
with the evil spirits in the heavens. Principalities, powers, darkness, evil spirits all refer to fallen angels or to the devil.
Therefore, put on the armor of God, armor=belief
that you may be able to resist on the evil day evil day=election day
and, having done everything, to hold your ground.
So stand fast with your loins girded in truth, while voting
clothed with righteousness as a breastplate,
and your feet shod in readiness for the Gospel of peace.
In all circumstances, hold faith as a shield,
to quench all the flaming arrows of the Evil One. who wants us to be voting for abortion
And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit,
which is the word of God. the Bible

With all prayer and supplication,
pray at every opportunity in the Spirit.
To that end, be watchful with all perseverance and supplication
for all the holy ones and also for me, Pray for the innocent babies
that speech may be given me to open my mouth,
to make known with boldness the mystery of the Gospel
for which I am an ambassador in chains, Are each of us an ambassador as St. Paul was?
so that I may have the courage to speak as I must.
I was the reader at Daily Mass today and all these thoughts (in blue) went flashing through my mind as I prepared for proclaiming this reading.  Any thoughts?
Pray for the candidates that support life -- McCain-Palin

22 posted on 10/30/2008 6:39:04 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Integrityrocks
Guess you haven't seen this. 100 out of 197 bishops and counting.

Over 100 Bishops Have Spoken Out on Priority of Life Issues
Posted on October 28, 2008, 11:59 AM | Deal W. Hudson
The list of U. S. bishops who have spoken out on the priority of the life issues in this election is now over 100. The list now contains 70 individual bishops and three joint statements.
I would like to continue updating this list until the day of the election. I have tried to incorporate all the comments thus far. If I dd not get them all, I apologize. (For a few of the suggestions, I could not find a suitable link.)
Please continue using the comments section to let us know what bishop is not on this list who should be. This would include any bishop who has individually, or jointly, published a statement about this election pointing out the primacy of the life issues.
Thank you for your help.
1. Archbishop Charles Chaput of Denver
2. Bishop James Conley, auxiliary of Denver
3. Archbishop Donald Wuerl of Washington, D.C.
4. Justin Cardinal Rigali of Philadelphia, chairman of the Committee on Pro-Life Activities
5. Bishop William Lori of Bridgeport, chairman of the Committee on Doctrine
6. Edward Cardinal Egan of New York
7. Bishop Samuel Aquila of Fargo
8. Bishop David Zubik of Pittsburgh
9. Bishop Michael Sheridan of Colorado Springs
10. Archbishop Jose Gomez of San Antonio
11. Bishop Oscar Cantu, auxiliary of San Antonio
12. Bishop William Murphy of Rockville Centre
13. Bishop Edward Slattery of Tulsa
14. Bishop Kevin Farrell of Dallas
15. Bishop Gregory Aymond of Austin
16. Sean Cardinal O'Malley of Boston
17. Bishop Thomas Wenski of Orlando
18. Archbishop John Nienstedt of Saint Paul/Minneapolis
19. Francis Cardinal George of Chicago, President of the USCCB
20. Bishop Robert Vasa of Baker
21. Bishop Jerome Listecki of La Crosse
22. Bishop Richard Lennon of Cleveland
23. Bishop Ralph Nickless of Sioux City
24. Archbishop George Niederauer of San Francisco
25. Bishop Glen Provost of Lake Charles, LA
26. Bishop Nicholas DiMarzio of Brooklyn
27. Bishop Joseph F. Martino of Scranton
28. Archbishop Raymond Burke, Prefect of the Apostolic Signatura
30. Bishop Peter J. Jugis of Charlotte
31. Bishop Michael F. Burbidge of Raleigh
32. Archbishop Joseph Naumann of Kansas City, KS
33. Bishop Robert Finn of Kansas City-St. Joseph, MO
34. Bishop Robert C. Morlino of Madison, WS
35. Bishop Ronald
Gilmore of Dodge City, KS
36. Bishop Paul
Coakley of Salina, KS
37. Bishop Michael
Jackels of Wichita
38. Bishop Gerald M.
Barbarito of Palm Beach
39. Bishop Kevin W.
Vann of Fort Worth
40. Bishop Rene H. Gracida, retired, of Corpus Christi
41. Daniel Cardinal DiNardo of Houston
42. Bishop Paul S. Loverde of Arlington
43. Bishop Francis X. DiLorenzo of Richmond
44. Bishop William Murphy of Rockville Center
45. Bishop Robert McManus of Worcester
46. Bishop Arthur Serratelli of Patterson
47. Bishop Robert Herrmann of St. Louis
48. Archbishop Edwin O'Brien of Baltimore
49. Bishop Thomas J. Olmsted of Phoenix
50. Bishop Thomas D. Doran of Rockford
51. Bishop Joseph A. Galante of Camden
52. Bishop Robert J. Baker of Birmingham
53. Archbishop Alexander J. Brunett of Seattle
54. Bishop J. Peter Sartain of Joliet
55. Bishop John M. Smith of Trenton
56. Bishop Earl Boyea of Lansing
57. Bishop Leonard R. Blair of Toledo
58. Bishop Frances J. Dewane of Venice
59. Bishop W. Frances Malooly of Wilmington
60. Bishop Robert Morlino of Madison
61. Bishop John Yanta , retired, of Amarillo
62. Bishop James V. Johnston of Springfield-Cape Girardeau
63. Archbishop John Vlazny of Portland
64. Bishop Blase J. Cupich of Rapid City
65. Bishop Lawrence Brandt of Greensburg
66. Bishop Dennis M. Schnurr of Cincinatti
67. Bishop Larry Silva of Honolulu
68. Bishop Paul Swain of Sioux Falls
69. Bishop Michael J. Sheehan of Santa Fe
70. Bishop Eusebius Beltran of Oklahoma City
71. Bishop Kevin C. Rhoades of Harrisburg
72. Joint Statement by the bishops of New York State (22 bishops)
73. Joint Statement by the bishops of Pennsylvania (16 bishops)
74. Joint Statement by the bishops of Kansas (4 bishops)
75. Joint Statement by the bishops of Florida (9 bishops)

23 posted on 10/30/2008 6:40:47 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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“It won’t be decided so much by who votes but rather how they vote, with their eyes open or closed.”

Unless some of those with their eyes closed to the very literal vision of what happens to these babies, see the video done by Eduardo Verastegui, they can put the issue away in the back of their minds and disregard it at the polls.

I think it’s only the viewing of this video,
that will make a difference, especially with younger voters, who want to be part of the hip ticket, and for whom the economic issues are not of uppermost importance. They have to reached on a purely emotional level, and it’s not too late. We can reach many, many of these voters in 4 days. Once seen, it can never be forgotten, or put on a shelf.

PLEASE, PLEASE post this video, wherever you think young voters will see it, FACEBOOK, etc. This is our only chance to reach those hearts that are going to vote Obama.

24 posted on 10/31/2008 12:12:00 PM PDT by adc (Rush '08All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently oppos)
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To: tcg
I have been saying this for months if not longer...

I got to see Schumer and Emanuel bragging on TV about how they took back the House and Senate with a sweep from PA westward. My guess is by looking at the map of Catholic Voters, they picked of disenfranchised (or liberation theology) Catholics in regards to the war. My gut feel is they do not trust Obamee and his inexperience and Sarah's Example of embracing life might just ring home with them.

25 posted on 10/31/2008 12:18:40 PM PDT by taildragger (The Answer is Fred Thompson, I do not care what the question is.....)
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To: tcg
Unfortunately, there are very many muddle-minded Catholics out there. I speak from experience, I'm referring to my own parents.

I should use the term "adoptive parents" since that's what they are. If abortion had been legal fifty plus years ago, they would not have been able to adopt me, and later, another baby that became my brother. So, it's not like they don't know what abortion means.

They're churchgoing (well, until Dad's Parkinson's got too bad), and as religious as any Catholics I know, but they've been drinking Obama's kool-ade ever since he appeared on the cover of Time magazine for the first time. Fortunately, they live in WA, which is never a swing state, and they cannot do any electoral harm there.

26 posted on 10/31/2008 12:23:03 PM PDT by hunter112 (They can have my pie when they pry it out of my cold, dead piehole.)
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To: taildragger

I’ve never seen such a detailed state breakdown of the Catholic vote. Interesting that such a large number of the states where Catholics show higher percentages are the states which the campaign has thrown under. Specifically, NYNJCTMA, etc.

I think it’s because they have miscalulated the campaign issue that is the only one Obama could be beaten on. The Moral one. This country is a faithful country, but, instead we all all so focused on the economy, (thanks to he pollsters and the MSM, and maybe Rove as well), that we have missed the forest for the trees. JMO

27 posted on 10/31/2008 1:12:14 PM PDT by adc (Rush '08All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently oppos)
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