Posted on 10/30/2008 8:33:47 PM PDT by GOPGuide
Ms. Palin has emerged as a flash point for a split dividing talk-radio populists and conservative traditionalists from some of their former intellectual allies at National Review and the Heritage Foundation.
“These are the people who are embarrassed by Sarah Palin,” Rush Limbaugh recently declared on his radio program, pointedly criticizing several columnists by name, “ ’cause she’s not an intellectual and she didn’t go to Harvard or have a college degree from approved universities and she drops her g’s from words like ‘morning’ and says ‘mornin’.”
One of the columnists, David Frum, fired back on National Review’s Web site. “Can even Rush himself believe this junk?” Mr. Frum said.
Those who think like Mr. Limbaugh, he said, “are offering flattering illusions when we need truth.” He added, “They are leading us to disaster — and beyond disaster, to irrelevance.”
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“One of the columnists, David Frum, fired back on National Review’s Web site. “Can even Rush himself believe this junk?” Mr. Frum said. “
I’ll say it first, “you betcha”.
Conservatives are going to start kicking some vichy tail.
Someone needs to tell FRUM to stuff it! We do not need the advice of a weasel on how to run the GOP.
I couldn’t get through the whole thing. It appears that what Frum is saying is that if the GOP wants to survive, we must act like DemocRATS?
Unfortunately, many who've called themselves conservative have found their way to irrelevance all on their own.
Exactly!
He added, “They are leading us to disaster — and beyond disaster, to irrelevance.”
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DRAMA QUEEN
I thought you meant “frum” Jews, i.e. religious orthodox Jews. They love Rush Limbaugh.
Calling Frum a conservative traditionalist is like calling Nancy Pelosi a Scoop Jackson democrat.
Frum needs a sabbatical far from the Beltway. It’s really sad to see the number that living in the DC environs too long has done to him.
Screw Frum! This is one of the architects of “compassionate conservatism”, which was an abject disaster for the GOP. We completely lost our identity under the influence of Frum and his ilk.
“Gov. Mark Sanford of South Carolina, one of a handful of state executives who conservatives hope could help lead their party out of its doldrums, said President Bush had failed in his effort to rebrand the party and to expand its base. Mr. Sanford is among those counseling the party to return to conservative basics rather than risk undermining its ideological identity by trying to imitate Democrats.
“That is what ‘compassionate conservatism’ was about,” Mr. Sanford said. “It was a disaster.””
Bush did some good things, but overall I think Sanford hits the nail on the head here.
Unlike Rush, Frum's idea of relevance is getting quoted in a positive light by the NYT.
If that's relevance to him let him join the gang that likes to pretend standing for nothing, if done by enough people, magically adds up to standing for something.
David Frum is a pro abortion,pro gay liberal.
Hey Herr Frum, or whatever your friggin name is — how many people read your stoopid columns?
And how many folks listen to Rush’s radio program (22 million)
Any questions, Frum Dum??
When the NYT starts calling you to get your opinion on conservative political thought, it's time to hang it up.
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The Republican party sold out it’s base after the 2004 election. If the party isn’t going to support conservative values, then it does not deserve conservative votes.
But Frum, Noonan, Brooks, and Kathleen Parker haven't just disagreed, they've trashed us. They've trashed Sarah Palin, who many of us have a great affinity for, in the most immature, childish way. Calling her names...portraying her as an idiot...
And for what? So they can get press? So they can get invited on MSNBC? So their kids can watch them on Colbert Report?
Here's a new David Brooks interview where he portrays himself as a victim of a non-thinking conservative mob.
But he doesn't seem to realize that referring to Sarah Palin as 'a fatal cancer'-- that's not exactly being Socrates is it?
Speaking of flattering illusions, David...I hate to break it to you and your colleagues, but you’re not the bosses of the conservative movement. I’m not sure there actually is such a thing right now. Mr. Buckley (that’d be Christopher’s father, not Christopher) could probably have laid a convincing claim to that title, but Mr. Buckley is no longer here, is he, old boy?
This is getting old. It seems Kathleen Parker’s rise from obscurity via bashing Palin has resulted in a series of Copycats. At best these people are b-list conservative pundits getting doggie treats from the liberal media.
At this point I have to wonder if the National Review and other “conservative publications” who have writers deeply ingrained with the NY/DC social circuits deserve our patronage after what I pray is next weeks victory...
...it might be time to throw the whole lot of them to the curb and start over.
I have to agree with you on that — this election cycle has been very revealing, with many “east coast pundits” who wore the conservative label, finally showing their true colors (and they aren’t pretty colors for the most part).
What each lack, however, just as most journalists and educators is practical experience.
They have never held real jobs, never needed business, accounting, sales or managerial skills necessary to keep a business going or meet a payroll.
What they all seem to have in common is that they look down on everyone that does not come from their lofty professions, clubs or universities, while claiming to care about the common man.
Bunk, wrap the whole bunch up, tie a ribbon around them and use them as hockey pucks!
Where I think the most harm was done is in the absence of conservative leadership on the part of Bush, no one stepped up to take the lead on a national level. Of course it's up to the president to do this, which makes it difficult for anyone else to do such a thing. If McCain wins this problem won't go away. A conservative leader is going to have to step up, because like Bush, McCain isn't going to be a conservative leader. All we can expect McCain to do is stand as a firewall against the more radical legislation the democrats will pass. McCain will probably compromise and work with democrats, signing many bills we won't agree with.
There's allot of work for conservatives to do, and that work needs to begin the day after the election, no matter which candidate wins it.
Having read him and met him, Frum always seemed to have star quality....Unfortunately, for whatever set of reasons pertain, his star is now twinkling and getting dimmer. Too bad....kissing up to a paper fewer and fewer people read.
There are more then those folks, like Chris Buckley and Kevin Madden, those Vichy Republicans want a return to Rockefeller Republicanism.
I disagree with that notion, IMO a return to small government/Libertarianism would work well.
Who would have thought...Hillary PUMA’s fighting tooth and nail to help elect McCain president and our so called “conservative pundits” actively trashing not only our 2008 candidates while in a face off with a full fledged Marxist, but a woman who many of us here see representing the conservative principles and love of country we hold dear for many years to come...!
Up is down, right is left...its a freaking bizarro world I’m living in right now...
She is NOT Ms. Palin, address her as Gov Palin or Mrs Palin, if your her friend Sarah.
Frum is an idiot.
There should be some public head-shavings of these Vichy republican collaborators after McCain wins.
Starting with the disgruntled Romneybots.
Hmm..I read the article, he didn’t mention a return to “Conscience of a Conservative” or “Atlas Shrugged” or what have you, Frum more or less complained that Republicanism should return to Rockefeller.
After all, this isn’t 1980, everyone needs a Government Check just to get by..
you’re righ, LOL ... my enemy is my friend ,,, and now my former friend is my enemy. Who woulda predicted or thunk a few months ago, the things that have transpired?
‘vecanceled my subscription to the “NR” and sent them a rather stiffly-worded letter explaining why.
The way things are going this probably means I’ll win big in Vegas this weekend for once!!!!
Thank you for a very thoughtful bit of writing. The work to which you refer needs to have been started seven years ago....But, better late than never, there is Jim DeMint in the Senate with a Conservative coalition (Google it), which we’ve been supporting, and a coalition of House Conservatives. Club for Growth and Heritage Foundation selections are also people to watch and support. We also need to identify those people who made the ballot running as conservatives; monitor those who were elected and continue to support those who didn’t make it. That’s where our leadership will come from.
intellectualism isn’t going to pay the bills, fire incompetent officials, balance the budget or get a natural gas pipeline through your state.
If we lose, we can pin a huge part of it on Frum and all the other like-minded elite turd-blossoms.
What is it that David Frum wants?
Tell us. I am so sick of the complaining.
She drops her “g’s” when she stirring up the crowd or in attack mode. When she gave her (excellent) policy speech on energy, all the ing’s were in perfect order. Personally, I think anyone who says “Hah-vuhd” should be sent back to proper school for a proper education.
I can’t imagine why anyone would listen to Frum. Is he on drugs or something? He has no concept of the real world.
Methinks the cocktail tour neo’s can have the GOP...how about:
The Constitutional Conservative Party
or
Preservationists
Whatever the name, it is time....
“What leaves me scratching my head is how Bush campaigned as a conservative and governed as a moderate/liberal on the domestic front.(isn’t that kind of backwards?).”
I voted for Bush (found him preferable to Al Bore and Reporting For Duty), but I never thought “compassionate conservatism” sounded very conservative and Bush spent a whole lot of time talking about how well he worked with Dems in Texas.
I don’t think he was that much of a surprise domestically.
/////What leaves me scratching my head is how Bush campaigned as a conservative and governed as a moderate/liberal on the domestic front.(isn’t that kind of backwards?). During the past 8 years the republican party didn’t seem to do anything to build for the future. ////
Blame Karl Rove
Remember “taking the democrats issues away from them?” This resulted in Bush pushing the liberal agenda complete with profligate spending. Short term tactics were substituted for a long term strategic vision.
Bush was poorly advised on multiple fronts and we’re paying for it today.
Frum is done.
If Frum was a columnist in the 1970’s he would have said “Republicans will destroy the party if they support a Hollywood actor for president.”
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The problem is the primary schedule (of having liberal, non-GOP states early) and the winner take all rules. They are tailor-designed to ensure a lib as the nominee. The party won't change those rules, and in 2012, it will be tough for a conservative, even Sarah Palin, to get the nomination, especially if there are several contenders.
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