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California' Gay Marriage Prop 8: A Tie
The Atlantic ^ | 30 Oct 2008

Posted on 10/30/2008 8:59:01 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Internal polling for proponents of Proposition 8, which would ban same-sex marriage in California, shows the race tied; public polls have it tied at 44% to 44% with 12 percent undecided. Internal polling for opponents of proposition 8 have the race within the margin of error.

So it's real close. Both sides are accusing other of dirty tactics; someone effectuated a denial-of-service attack on the No side's website.

Yes on 8 director Frank Schubert says his side will have 100,000 volunteers on Election Day. (That's unlikely -- initiative directors like to equate their lists with their volunteers -- but even if he has 5,000 volunteers, it will be impressive.) Lots of money and people power have been donated through the efforts of the LDS Church and the Knights of Columbus.

A while ago, the No on 8 side was very worried; Patrick Guerrero, a senior political strategist affiliated with uber-gay-Democrat financier Tim Gill and a former executive director of the Log Cabin Republicans, was brought on board to save the efforts. He raised a lot of money very quickly. A week and a half ago, Guy Cecil, who helped to engineer Hillary Clinton's (too) late-in-the-reason victories in PA and OH, joined as a senior strategist.

(Excerpt) Read more at marcambinder.theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2008election; atlantic; california; heterosexualagenda; homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; moralrelativism; noon8; prop8; proposition8; protectmarriage; queerlybeloved; samesexmarriage; socialconservatism; traditionalmarriage

1 posted on 10/30/2008 8:59:01 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Roll that Gavin Newsom spot a few more times.


2 posted on 10/30/2008 9:00:26 PM PDT by RichInOC ("The door's wide open now! It's gonna happen! Whether ya like it or not!"--Thanks, Gav.)
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To: nickcarraway
Considering this is the MSM, it understates the extent of support for traditional marriage. That support is always larger than the polls indicate. Usually by up to 10+ to 12+ points.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

3 posted on 10/30/2008 9:02:45 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: nickcarraway

Bull!!! I don’t believe this at all. Even though California gets it wrong on a lot of votes, I think this proposition is going to win and by a comfortable margin.


4 posted on 10/30/2008 9:06:02 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: nickcarraway

No way there are 12% undecided. They are just afraid to say they are voting for Prop 8 lest they be labeled as homophobic.


5 posted on 10/30/2008 9:08:06 PM PDT by no dems ("Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice...." Barry Goldwater)
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To: nickcarraway

When they say undecided...it means yes.

Just as it means John.


6 posted on 10/30/2008 9:26:50 PM PDT by Rick_Michael (Have no fear "Senator Government" is here)
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To: no dems

I seem to notice a pattern of pollees remaining undecided (a large number of pollees) because, presumably, they are fearful of negative judgements. These judgements would be coming from the obviously tolerant side of the aisle.

Hmmmmm?


7 posted on 10/30/2008 9:26:58 PM PDT by rbbeachkid (When is enough enough?)
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To: no dems

“No way there are 12% undecided. They are just afraid to say they are voting for Prop 8 lest they be labeled as homophobic.”

You got it.
This is mirroring the national election and fear of being labeled racist.


8 posted on 10/30/2008 9:27:39 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares (Refusing to kneel before the polling gods and whimper. FIGHT!)
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To: nickcarraway
California' Gay Marriage Prop 8: A Tie
Bullshit!
9 posted on 10/30/2008 9:35:00 PM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: lewislynn

agreed. I work with 10 other people. 2 of us are voting for McCain. 3 others will vote, the other 5 will not vote.. But everyone seems to agree that marriage should remain for men and women only. That surprised me, as I thought the liberals on our team, would vote for gay marriage.

I think it will pass.


10 posted on 10/30/2008 9:40:28 PM PDT by Chuzzlewit
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To: nickcarraway

Does it need only a straight majority to pass?


11 posted on 10/30/2008 9:49:01 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: AndyTheBear

Yes, and we’ll be so gay if it passes.


12 posted on 10/30/2008 9:51:07 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

It’s amazing how much MONEY the poor, downtrodden, underprivileged, discriminated-against, marginalized gays have to THROW AROUND.


13 posted on 10/30/2008 9:53:41 PM PDT by informavoracious (Oust all incumbents.)
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To: RichInOC
Gavin Newsome Gay Marriage Advocacy Alert
14 posted on 10/30/2008 9:55:08 PM PDT by hout8475
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To: Chuzzlewit

On C-span last week there was a discussion on gay marriage. A man who stated he was a Republican called and said he had homosexual friends and it was a shame they couldn’t marry. The next call was from a liberal Democrat woman who was appalled at the thought of gay marriage, insisted that marriage was between a man and a woman, and reviled the Massachusetts school system for indoctrinating its captives.

Go figure.


15 posted on 10/31/2008 7:51:33 AM PDT by goldi
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