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MIT scientists baffled by global warming theory, contradicts scientific data
TGDaily ^ | Thursday, October 30, 2008 09:55 | By Rick C. Hodgin

Posted on 10/31/2008 3:37:15 AM PDT by xcamel

Boston (MA) - Scientists at MIT have recorded a nearly simultaneous world-wide increase in methane levels. This is the first increase in ten years, and what baffles science is that this data contradicts theories stating man is the primary source of increase for this greenhouse gas. It takes about one full year for gases generated in the highly industrial northern hemisphere to cycle through and reach the southern hemisphere. However, since all worldwide levels rose simultaneously throughout the same year, it is now believed this may be part of a natural cycle in mother nature - and not the direct result of man's contributions.

Methane - powerful greenhouse gas

The two lead authors of a paper published in this week's Geophysical Review Letters, Matthew Rigby and Ronald Prinn, the TEPCO Professor of Atmospheric Chemistry in MIT's Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Science, state that as a result of the increase, several million tons of new methane is present in the atmosphere.

Methane accounts for roughly one-fifth of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, though its effect is 25x greater than that of carbon dioxide. Its impact on global warming comes from the reflection of the sun's light back to the Earth (like a greenhouse). Methane is typically broken down in the atmosphere by the free radical hydroxyl (OH), a naturally occuring process. This atmospheric cleanser has been shown to adjust itself up and down periodically, and is believed to account for the lack of increases in methane levels in Earth's atmosphere over the past ten years despite notable simultaneous increases by man.

More study

Prinn has said, "The next step will be to study [these changes] using a very high-resolution atmospheric circulation model and additional measurements from other networks. The key thing is to better determine the relative roles of increased methane emission versus [an increase] in the rate of removal. Apparently we have a mix of the two, but we want to know how much of each [is responsible for the overall increase]."

The primary concern now is that 2007 is long over. While the collected data from that time period reflects a simultaneous world-wide increase in emissions, observing atmospheric trends now is like observing the healthy horse running through the paddock a year after it overcame some mystery illness. Where does one even begin? And how relevant are any of the data findings at this late date? Looking back over 2007 data as it was captured may prove as ineffective if the data does not support the high resolution details such a study requires.

One thing does seem very clear, however; science is only beginning to get a handle on the big picture of global warming. Findings like these tell us it's too early to know for sure if man's impact is affecting things at the political cry of "alarming rates." We may simply be going through another natural cycle of warmer and colder times - one that's been observed through a scientific analysis of the Earth to be naturally occuring for hundreds of thousands of years.

Project funding

Rigby and Prinn carried out this study with help from researchers at Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO), Georgia Institute of Technology, University of Bristol and Scripps Institution of Oceanography. Methane gas measurements came from the Advanced Global Atmospheric Gases Experiment (AGAGE), which is supported by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), and the Australian CSIRO network.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: academia; catastrophism; digg; globalcooling; globalwarming; junkscience; mit
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1 posted on 10/31/2008 3:37:16 AM PDT by xcamel
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Digg It!
2 posted on 10/31/2008 3:39:23 AM PDT by xcamel (Conservatives start smart, and get rich, liberals start rich, and get stupid.)
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To: xcamel

may be part of a natural cycle in mother nature...

Kinda like that BIG BALL OF NUCLEAR GAS we call the SUN - since it expands back and forth - and has been measured - could be a part of that - uh?... GORE - YOU ARE A LOSER!!!


3 posted on 10/31/2008 3:41:27 AM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com)
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To: xcamel

Trying to mix science and Global Warming is like trying to mix science and Scientology. All of them have a glancing encounter with “science”, but in name only.


4 posted on 10/31/2008 3:43:12 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (I AM JOE!)
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To: xcamel

My husband is an MIT alum and he has said this from day one about global warming.

I hope Mssrs. Rigby & Prinn have secured 24 hour body guards/food tasters.


5 posted on 10/31/2008 3:45:10 AM PDT by NoExpectations
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To: BCW

Naw! It’s just cow farts!


6 posted on 10/31/2008 3:45:11 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: xcamel

(However, since all worldwide levels rose simultaneously throughout the same year, it is now believed this may be part of a natural cycle in mother nature - and not the direct result of man’s contributions.)

LIARS. Everyone KNOWS and Science has PROVED that Global Warming is George Bush’s fault and all those Americans that voted for him and drive Hummers...
Of course at one point in time everyone knew that the world was flat.......................


7 posted on 10/31/2008 3:45:36 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Vote FOR AMERICA . Vote McCain / Palin)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Trying to mix science and Global Warming is like trying to mix

political correctness and financial instruments

8 posted on 10/31/2008 3:46:24 AM PDT by Teacher317 (Suddenly a big time Palin supporter... who's that McCabe guy?)
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To: xcamel; CygnusXI; Entrepreneur; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Genesis defender; proud_yank; FrPR; ...
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

9 posted on 10/31/2008 3:46:38 AM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: xcamel

It seems there is a human gene that is dedicated to fixating on some condition, and convincing yourself that the end is near. Thirty years ago ‘global cooling’ was going to kill us all.

Around that same time overpopulation was going to kill us all.

About the same time global food shortages were going to kill us all.

Today it’s global warming, but don’t be surprised if in ten years we’re back to trying to counter global cooling.

There will always be a group of people trying to save the rest of us from something. They will always try to get government intervention to save us.

The sane folks will yawn and go on with life, knowing those fools will replaced with another dedicated bunch of psychos in time.

It’s a form of mental illness.


10 posted on 10/31/2008 3:53:56 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Our nation is uncomfortably close to having B.O. We need to use a Republican roll on by 11/04.)
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To: xcamel

brain farts?


11 posted on 10/31/2008 3:54:06 AM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: DoughtyOne

Like the newest one - BPA in plastics - causes friggin “Everything” ....


12 posted on 10/31/2008 4:00:24 AM PDT by xcamel (Conservatives start smart, and get rich, liberals start rich, and get stupid.)
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To: xcamel

I say its directly attributable to the utterances of a certain democratic presidential candidate.


13 posted on 10/31/2008 4:02:59 AM PDT by turfmann
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To: DoughtyOne

“There will always be a group of people trying to save the rest of us from something. “

And in process getting my money in form of grants from govt to fund lunatic stidies to prove their point.

We stop funding them they might just go away.


14 posted on 10/31/2008 4:05:05 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: DoughtyOne
There will always be a group of people trying to save the rest of us from something. They will always try to get government intervention to save us.

Except that Global Warming is a front for a different kind of agenda - that of 'sustainable' development (otherwise known as killing off suburbia).

15 posted on 10/31/2008 4:11:28 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: xcamel

Bump!


16 posted on 10/31/2008 4:14:08 AM PDT by Nonperson (Cut off Obama's nut! Prosecute Acorn!)
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To: xcamel

‘’May be part of a natural cycle’’ no sh-t Sherlocks? The fairy tail/pepsi syndrome effect again?


17 posted on 10/31/2008 4:15:30 AM PDT by Waco ( G00d bye 0'bombers)
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To: xcamel
though its effect is 25x greater than that of carbon dioxide.

So every time we heard "Carbon Dioxide, the Chief warming gas" we were being lied to? It's a rhetorical question.

I've heard ruminations about "Carbon Black". Just watch, the dialog will shift from CO2 to this new nonsense term.

19 posted on 10/31/2008 4:22:01 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: Malsua

As a note, I mean nonsense term in that it’s responsible for the current cooling term. I realize that Carbon Black is incomplete combustion...heavy soot.


20 posted on 10/31/2008 4:24:10 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: SECURE AMERICA
Of course at one point in time everyone knew that the world was flat.......................

Are you trying to tell me it's not?

21 posted on 10/31/2008 4:33:52 AM PDT by dearolddad (Vote Obummer in order to spread all that wealth..)
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To: dirtboy
killing off suburbia

The city folks might spend less time envying those with big houses and big cars and more time on those that envy them.


22 posted on 10/31/2008 4:35:59 AM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Whoa, whoa, whoa back up. I need to stock my bomb cellar with all this doom and gloom. (sarc, really)
23 posted on 10/31/2008 4:39:34 AM PDT by repubpub
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To: xcamel

24 posted on 10/31/2008 4:43:41 AM PDT by mirkwood (Palin has my vote!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

I heard that earthworm farts were much more concentrated than cow farts.


25 posted on 10/31/2008 4:47:18 AM PDT by George Smiley (Palin is the real deal.)
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To: xcamel

“Digg It!” - xcamel

I took your advice, and here are some of the comments I found:

http://digg.com/environment/Science_study_by_MIT_contradicts_global_warming_theory

Comments:

The author is censoring comments on that page which point out that he does not cite the source of his quotes: a press release which contradicts the central theme of his article.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-10/mio ...
Also, please see the following FACTUAL article on the subject from an AP science reporter:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ibwC_yqdCtXd24m ...

I’m sad to see that TGDaily has gone the way of Micheal Asher’s misinformation stream at DailyTech. It’s just a pathetic effort to get web traffic, because every conservative blog will link to a story like this. Sadly, it works, and these sites reap in ad money for misrepresenting the results of scientific papers.

I know that you deniers think you’re onto something here but you’re not. That TG Daily concoction is downright misleading and is a prime example of bad journalism. Read the statement directly from MIT. Nowhere does it say that these methane increases contradict global warming.
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/methane-tt1029. ...

or better yet the actual article:
M. Rigby, R. Prinn, P. Fraser, P. Simmonds, R. Langenfelds, J. Huang1, D. Cunnold, P. Steele, P. Krummel, R.Weiss, S. O’Doherty, P. Salameh, H. Wang, C. Harth, J. Mühle, L. Porter. Renewed growth of atmospheric methane. Geophysical Review Letters, 28 pages 2008

Whoa, yeah after reading the actual MIT press release it does seem like TG Daily has misrepresented the findings of this research, or at least the researchers’ understanding of the meaning of the findings:
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/methane-tt1029. ...

Before anyone posts anything, please check out the links to the actual study already posted.

Its already been pointed out that this article massively misrepresented the study they are basing this on, and took one line out of context to make it seem like the entire article from MIT was somehow refuting global warming as man-made.

It doesnt.

Here are some more balanced articles referencing the same study but reporting the actual gist of the conclusions. Links found by Jenga previously.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-10/mio ...
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ibwC_yqdCtXd24m ...


26 posted on 10/31/2008 4:51:51 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (2008 = The Year of the Toilet (for 'rats))
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To: DoughtyOne

In just the past 3-5 years it’s gone from global warming to global cooling to global warming several times! Finally the environmentalist wackos saw what was really happening and just started calling it “climate change.” Now, they can’t possibly be wrong anymore!


27 posted on 10/31/2008 4:51:55 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: All
Methane is produced by one type of organism on Earth: Archaea. They are bacteria-like microorganisms that live in the guts of bovines, humans, etc. and, crucially, in rice plants. The 150% increase in atmospheric methane levels in the last 250 years coincides with the booming population of Asia, and the massive increase in rice farming.

Methane is about 20X more efficient at trapping heat in the atmosphere than carbon dioxide is. Anyone who ignores the former and focuses on the latter is not seriously investigating human-related effect on climate.

28 posted on 10/31/2008 5:04:06 AM PDT by BushMeister ("We are a nation that has a government - not the other way around." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: DoughtyOne
"It seems there is a human gene that is dedicated to fixating on some condition, and convincing yourself that the end is near. Thirty years ago ‘global cooling’ was going to kill us all. Around that same time overpopulation was going to kill us all. About the same time global food shortages were going to kill us all.

Not a "human gene" but a "liberal meme". All of these were (and are) liberal/socialist talking points.

29 posted on 10/31/2008 5:06:12 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: xcamel

We may simply be going through another natural cycle of warmer and colder times - one that’s been observed through a scientific analysis of the Earth to be naturally occuring for hundreds of thousands of years.

&&&&&

Wow! Are these scientists actually saying that the earth has cycles? What a concept!! The same earth that has been traveling around the same sun for millions of years? Well, I never! The same earth that has the same number of molecules and atoms at the end of each year as at the beginning of each year, because I am not aware of the earth’s ability to capture new atoms of anything from space? Our earth is the true definition of recycling!


30 posted on 10/31/2008 5:13:40 AM PDT by maica (Barack Obama is a Weathermen Project.)
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To: Matchett-PI; All

re: negative diggs

Here’s the trick - positive clicks on the buryied articles (- totals) - don’t let the AGW’s run the board...


31 posted on 10/31/2008 5:25:35 AM PDT by xcamel (Conservatives start smart, and get rich, liberals start rich, and get stupid.)
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Sediments make gas. Do scientists know how much the ocean floors 'burp'?

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32 posted on 10/31/2008 5:27:30 AM PDT by polymuser (God bless and keep America.)
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To: xcamel

I am an agnostic when it comes to global warming, but the source the global warming folks would point to for a spike in methane are found in nature and would be released at higher and higher rates as (if) global temperatures rise.

The two prime examples are the peat locked up in permafrost and seabed hydrates. A release from peat might follow a North South trend. A release from seabed hydrates probably would not.


33 posted on 10/31/2008 5:32:25 AM PDT by R W Reactionairy ("Everyone is entitled to their own opinion ... but not to their own facts" Daniel Patrick Moynihan)
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To: xcamel

They’ll be even more shocked if they ever study the most powerful greenhouse gas, water vapor.


34 posted on 10/31/2008 5:32:31 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: xcamel

It’s those doggone pesky facts again, how annoying.


35 posted on 10/31/2008 5:38:34 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: R W Reactionairy

Release from hydrates under the north polar ice cap do to very large quantities of hydrate being there, and a substantial increase in the northernmost mid atlantic rift volcanic activity heating it up enough to “burp”.

Huge nearly pure methane bubbles have been found under the icepack near greenland...


36 posted on 10/31/2008 5:51:07 AM PDT by xcamel (Conservatives start smart, and get rich, liberals start rich, and get stupid.)
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To: Moonman62
You know damned well that's never-gonna-happen....
37 posted on 10/31/2008 5:51:48 AM PDT by xcamel (Conservatives start smart, and get rich, liberals start rich, and get stupid.)
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To: maica
I am not aware of the earth’s ability to capture new atoms of anything from space?

You might want to use a different argument. There is an ability to capture stuff from space. It's call gravity. The moon has a nice record of all that it captured from space, they are called 'craters'. And we have pictures of the pieces of a comet (Levi-Shoemaker) being captured by Jupiter.

And Anthropogenic Global Warming is BS, just so you know where I stand.

38 posted on 10/31/2008 5:57:11 AM PDT by slowhandluke
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To: xcamel

Theory’s busted? Algore will fix that for them. Afterall, GW is accepted as fact beyond dispute.


39 posted on 10/31/2008 5:59:00 AM PDT by GBA
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To: DoughtyOne
It’s a form of mental illness

Nah, just a 'catastrophe de juoir' for the masses to surrender power...

everything is a calculated move by the commie bastards on the great chess board of life...

I didnt graduate MIT, but i could tell it was all bunk from the gitgo...1/2 degree global temp over what 50-60 yrs ???

the tech in thermometers has changed how many times in that period ???

when watching local weather to plan my day, i always check the 'record highs and lows'...most are from the 1880s-1930s still yet...

40 posted on 10/31/2008 6:08:11 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 ("JesusChrist 08"...Trust in the Lord......=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: xcamel; Rurudyne
Thanks xcamel.
since all worldwide levels rose simultaneously throughout the same year, it is now believed this may be part of a natural cycle in mother nature

41 posted on 10/31/2008 6:11:18 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, October 11, 2008 !!!)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

It’s an election year, all that gas from the Obama World Tour no doubt.


42 posted on 10/31/2008 6:16:30 AM PDT by Camel Joe (liberal=socialist=royalist/imperialist pawn=enemy of Freedom)
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To: xcamel

Bump....


43 posted on 10/31/2008 6:25:37 AM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: BushMeister
Methane is produced by one type of organism on Earth: Archaea.

Great informative post, straight and to the point. I never heard of any of this before.

44 posted on 10/31/2008 6:26:54 AM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: xcamel

Ya think?


45 posted on 10/31/2008 6:32:19 AM PDT by FrogMom
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To: Wonder Warthog

And Ozone holes, and DDT, and nuclear winter, and bird flu....


46 posted on 10/31/2008 6:45:20 AM PDT by xcamel (Conservatives start smart, and get rich, liberals start rich, and get stupid.)
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To: cogitator

Ping, FYI.


47 posted on 10/31/2008 6:50:37 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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To: BushMeister

Good try, but it doesn’t pass the ‘smell test’.

Methane levels have been much, much higher, > 250 years ago, but still is only .0000034% of the atmospeheric volume.

Methane comes from many chemical reactions - not all of them organic. “growing rice” is insignificant.

Please go back and do a little more research, and don’t be sucked in by carefully crafted “plausibility”


48 posted on 10/31/2008 6:52:26 AM PDT by xcamel (Conservatives start smart, and get rich, liberals start rich, and get stupid.)
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To: Travis T. OJustice
Hilarious. I was just reading this thread. Had to go to the first link in post 26 to see the press releases and related articles; the truncated links in the post (which were copied verbatim from the Digg post) don't work.

As someone else noted, this doesn't contradict GW theory; the lack of methane increase over the past decade was the real mystery. So now it has started going up again. So there's two questions: why did methane growth in the atmosphere stop, and why did it start going up again?

(My theory: Chipotle. Have you seen how many people go to Chipotle for lunch???!!! There were 14 Chipotles in 1998 and nearly 800 now. That's a gastro-intestinally disturbing trend.)

49 posted on 10/31/2008 7:07:25 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: cogitator

AGW is a huge political hoax, perpetrated by algore. The science does not support it.


50 posted on 10/31/2008 7:20:18 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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