Skip to comments.Town halls ban staff from using Latin words, in case they confuse immigrants[UK]
Posted on 11/02/2008 9:01:53 AM PST by BGHater
They are well-worn phrases, repeated ad nauseam throughout the English language.
But local councils have now waged war on Latin words, banning staff from using them in writing or in speech.
The authorities claim the terms are elitist and discriminatory and have ordered employees to use wordier alternatives in documents or when speaking to members of the public.
However the ban has infuriated classical scholars who say it is diluting the world's richest language and is the 'linguistic equivalent of ethnic cleansing'.
Bournemouth Council, which has the Latin motto Pulchritudo et Salubritas - beauty and health - has listed 19 terms it no longer considers acceptable for use.
This includes bona fide, eg (exempli gratia), prima facie, ad lib or ad libitum, etc or et cetera, ie or id est, inter alia, NB or nota bene, per, per se, pro rata, quid pro quo, vis-a-vis, vice versa and even via.
Its list of more verbose alternatives, includes 'for this special purpose', in place of ad hoc and 'existing condition' or 'state of things', instead of status quo.
In instructions to staff, the council said: 'Not everyone knows Latin. Many readers do not have English as their first language so using Latin can be particularly difficult.'
Some Latin words are seemingly not so difficult and have escaped unscathed - PS (post scriptum - after writing or postscript), am (ante meridiem - before noon) and pm ( post meridiem - after noon).
Bournemouth Council, which has the motto Pulchritudo et Salubritas - meaning beauty and health - has banned staff from using 19 Latin words
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England? Where’s that? It’s still in existence?
Gonna’ have to rewrite hundreds of years of legal and medical material I imagine.
As a Latin teacher, I am appalled! What ignorance!
Why not teach these phrases to the new comers? If you move to a new place, should you not learn new things?
Englandistan. Fools. The Romans built most of their infrastructure. We saved them for the Nazi in WW2 just so they could surrender to Islam and political correctness.
Next they’ll have to ban all English words with more than six letters or more than two syllables.
If we had only implemented the Decibet like Dan Ackroyd told us years ago we wouldn't have this problem.
Wouldn’t want to confuse those immigrants, would we?
Not just ignorant but BARBARIC. Do these people bathe?
Yeah ... had to read a lot of world history and WWII history in homeschool .... I remember one remark an American volunteer said ... he was a flight officer flying Hurricanes ... the Queen was reviewing the flight officers and she stopped at this American and asked him why he volunteered to come to England to fly against the Germans. He answered “Because there always has to be England” ... pity his service was wasted as was so many of those fine brave men and women .....
Id cogitare dubito
I did horribly in my HS Latin classes, but I have always believed that Latin is used because it is a dead language and therefore the meanings of the words and/or prases would never change.
So,,, i can’t possibly know a LATIN phrase,,, unless,, I speak ENGLISH really well? Im a simple man,, am i reading this correctly?
If im reading this wrong,,,,Mea Culpa
Heart breaking but true. The English threw away 1000 years of civilization for political correctness. The same leftist who let Muslims flood into the UK are behind Obama. Aka Muslim Brotherhood funded by the Saudis.
Part of my family left England 200 + years ago and thank God. Sadly I no longer have any faith they will defend their civilization - it is pretty much over. English people are generally too nice and can be manipulated easily.
The other part of my family left Italy at least 150 years ago. I have more faith that the Germans, Austrians and Italians may defend western civilization. The Germans and Austrians did it in 1683 AD at Vienna with the help of the wonderful Poles and King Jan Sobeiski.
You said it... and on Tuesday we should know if we are 'DUMB YET'. I hope we can tell Obama to STICK it on Tuesday - but I'm not sure if we are smart enough to keep him & the marxists out of GOVERNMENT!!
It will be having a name change soon — Britistan!! No Pork products will be served here!!
You use it every day, subliminally, without knowing it.
I’m a world history buff and I understand. My grandmother came over from Hungary right after WWII - she lived through that mess.
It’s the politicians that are burying England, not the people. European politicians will do what Nazi Germany couldn’t do and give themselves over to Islam because they don’t want to offend or get blown up ... they simply won’t fight.
I think we will. As one blogger here said “the tree of Liberty is in need of watering again”.
I’m waiting for stores here to cover pork and alcohol products because it is against the sensitivities of those people who want to kill us .....
Where do they suppose the terms “Latin America” and “Latino” came from?
Would not the immigrants be more likely to understand the Latin phrases which are in universal usage vs the Anglocentric terms suggested as replacements? Or do not the dunderheads of the council grasp that simple logic? I think someone must protest against these bigoted Latinphobes. Are they saying that languages with primary Germanic roots are superior to Romance languages? Are they secretly regretful that Germany lost both World Wars? I say we find out.
I took three years of Latin in high school. I have never regretted doing so, and that knowledge is still serving me decades later. Back then, I never took the time to thank my teachers, so now I will thank you in their stead.
Lube my “What”?????
Catering to the least common denominator has been the trend since the Russian Revolution, which aimed at creating the "better man"; unfortunately it created, instead, the "lesser man", and the Bournemouth Council is the inevitable result. If we are all equal then, evidently, ignorance is every bit as valuable as knowledge and as striving for a better understanding of ourselves and our society.
Obviously, these sterling councilpersons are ignorant as dolmens; none has even heard of, never mind read A people's Tragedy: a History of the Russian Revolution, By Orlando Figes. A well meaning world event which failed utterly in its attempt to create a better humanity -- by appealing to the societal "least common denominator."
I see two solutons to this probem; and it is a problem.
Either that dysfunctional council needs to be replaced, or its citizens better be prepared for either totalitarianism or chaos, neither of which bodes well.
That’s Greek, like “Kyrie Eleison” it’s often mistaken for Latin.
I am sure Allahu Akbar would be well understood by all.
Methinks that a few dozen letters from the colonies might shake these idiots in the Bournemouth Council awake. using Latin and Greek phrases where appropriate, of course.
Bournemouth, Dorset, England
I doubt they’d listen to someone from the colonies .... I told an English friend of mine that the difference between Americans and the English is ... we’re citizens, you’re subjects .....
There must not be a lot of things to do on the Bournemouth Council.
I say the same to my Canadian friends.Drives them nuts.
That, and calling their country "Canukistan"...
Islam and political correctness are destroying England(istan). Pathetic fools. I was listening to Mozart’s Requeim today written essentially on his deathbed and possibly his greatest composition. In Latin the choir signs about Confutatis and Maledictus or “when the cursed are confounded” while also beseeching the Lord “in my last hour.” Prayers to the Lord. Among the most beautiful music ever written and sung in Latin.
Tragic how western Europe especially the UK has lost it’s way and panders to political correctness and bows to the invading Islamists and other mongol hordes.
These fools are throwing away 1,000 years of civilization to embrace political correctness and Islam. A “culture” that has been stagnant and oppressive for 900 years.
The only thing that may save England is the Polish immigrants that have been refilling empty churches.
My thoughts exactly. Although I know very little of Latin, I don’t think that Latin is limited to only English speaking people.
When I don’t understand something, I generally look it up.
thanks BGHater and Renfield. I’m still looking for the oldie about the closing of UK classics departments.
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