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NY Times "Slimes" Pennsylvania Jewish Activists
Boycott The New York Times ^ | November 3, 2008 | Don Feder

Posted on 11/03/2008 12:38:32 PM PST by AIM Freeper

In an editorial in today’s paper, The New York Times misrepresents an anti-Obama message, which it claims amounted to “character assassination.”

One of its targets is an e-mailing sent by a group of Pennsylvania Jewish activists to 75,000 Jewish voters in the Keystone state, warning of the dangers of an Obama presidency.

According to The Times, the e-mailing equates “a vote for Barack Obama with the ‘tragic mistake’ of Jews who ignored the warning signs of the Holocaust.” This implies the communication suggested that Obama would somehow facilitate another Holocaust.

It did no such thing. The e-mailing, from a retired Jewish judge and other respected members of the community, commended John McCain as a friend of Israel and a foreign-policy realist who would help to keep Israel safe.

The Holocaust warning was in reference to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who says he wants to “wipe Israel off the face of the earth.”

The communication also noted, again correctly, that Sen. Obama has said Hamas and Hezbollah (Iran’s terrorist allies, who’ve spent decades murdering Jews) have “legitimate claims.”

Worse, the Democratic candidate has offered to meet with the genocidal madmen who run Iran “without precondition.”

That President Obama would endanger the Jewish state with a naïve approach to an enemy pledged to its annihilation, is a reasonable conclusion.

For The New York Times to call this “character assassination” goes beyond hyperbole. In seeking to expose what it terms “the season’s slimiest political messages,” The New York Times itself has slimed a group whose only crime was to tell the truth about the Times’ favorite candidate.


TOPICS: Editorial; Israel; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: barackobama; donfeder; israel; jewishvote; johnmccain; nyt; pa2008; thenewyorktimes

1 posted on 11/03/2008 12:38:33 PM PST by AIM Freeper
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To: AIM Freeper

Having an opinion which differs from the left is now tantamount to “character assassination.”

Pathetic doesn’t begin to describe it.


2 posted on 11/03/2008 12:41:37 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Obama is not qualified for the FBI, but he is qualified for the Presidency????)
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To: AIM Freeper

Didn’t whoopie on the view say she would go back to slavery if McCain won?


3 posted on 11/03/2008 12:44:19 PM PST by edcoil
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To: Red in Blue PA

How dare you speak against our leader? The Secret Service will not forget when Obama is coronated!


4 posted on 11/03/2008 12:45:00 PM PST by stocksthatgoup
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To: stocksthatgoup

The Jews ignored the warning signs during the Holocaust and happily walked into deathcamps


5 posted on 11/03/2008 12:46:46 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: AIM Freeper

I have Jewish friends and in-laws that differ on McCain and Obama. I equate a Jewish vote for Obama is a vote for Isreals destruction. However, part of me feels that if they are not worried about the destruction of their state as Jewish people, I should not either!

Just do not expect the predominately Christian military to come to Isreals aid after many Jewish people in this country voted for this anti-Semite, despite protestations of Isrealis!


6 posted on 11/03/2008 12:47:39 PM PST by sociallyunacceptable (Charlie's tax problem)
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To: sociallyunacceptable

I equate a vote for Obama as a vote for the destruction of democracy here and abroad.

He will work with our enemies within and abroad and promulgate a Sharia type set of laws.


7 posted on 11/03/2008 12:51:54 PM PST by Carley (The media understands credentials but does NOT understand principles.)
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To: AIM Freeper

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8 posted on 11/03/2008 1:05:27 PM PST by Peelod (McCain/Palin ~~~ 100% lawyer-free)
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To: stocksthatgoup

Secret Service? That’s a group I really feel for. With all of his socialist goals, promises to bankrupt certain industries, his desire to change the Constitution, plans for his private army, not to mention his radical allies, I have a feeling if The 0 wins the Secret Service agents are going to earn their money.


9 posted on 11/03/2008 1:08:02 PM PST by GBA
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Feder is wrong on this one.

The NYT article, this was one of a number of examples of GOP campaigning stated

In the first, Republicans in Pennsylvania flooded 75,000 Jewish voters with an e-mail alarum from a retired Jewish judge equating a vote for Barack Obama with the “tragic mistake” of Jews who ignored the warning signs of the Holocaust. Quick apologies and retractions were offered once this surfaced in the press, but too late for the unspeakable to be spiked.

The line in the Email for which the signatories have apologized, but which Feder conveniently omits was

"Many of our ancestors ignored the warning signs in the 1930s and 1940s and made a tragic mistake. Let's not make a similar one this year!"

equating a vote for Barack Obama with the “tragic mistake” of Jews who ignored the warning signs of the Holocaust is precisely what the Email does. Which is a shame, since the other points it makes about Obama’s associations and policies are on target.

As I’ve noted before, I question the conclusion that German Jews ignored the warning signs . Most of the German Jewish population was trying desperately to get out of Germany, unfortunately most unable to get further than other European nations.

The Email

10 posted on 11/03/2008 1:09:41 PM PST by SJackson (I don't believe that people should be able to own guns, BH Obama to John Lott)
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To: edcoil

When was Whoopie a slave?


11 posted on 11/03/2008 1:28:15 PM PST by rbbeachkid (When is enough enough?)
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To: SJackson
As I’ve noted before, I question the conclusion that German Jews ignored the warning signs .

It depends on the time period. Once the camps started, but before the war, I think it was too late. I had a grandfather who foresaw it in the early 30's. He'd been in America since about 1910, but he tried to tell his brothers to leave. They were pretty successful, so they didn't try to leave until it was too late. They were never heard from after the war.

That reminded me of a conversation I had with an Israeli whose father had a rough time in Poland in the war, but did survive. He said that when Hitler came to power, the Jews said, "Of course he'll be bad. But we've seen bad come and go. What's he going to do -- kill us all?" The rest is history.

12 posted on 11/03/2008 2:02:10 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
"It depends on the time period. Once the camps started, but before the war, I think it was too late. I had a grandfather who foresaw it in the early 30's. He'd been in America since about 1910, but he tried to tell his brothers to leave. They were pretty successful, so they didn't try to leave until it was too late. They were never heard from after the war.

There were also many who identified themselves as cosmopolitan Germans, Austrians,etc.

I had friends whose father came over just before WWI. Worked hard on a farm acquired acreage and a large family. He pleaded with his upper middle class cousins to leave Austria telling them they had a place to stay. They not so politely told him it was beneath them to accept any help from their "rustic" cousin, and besides why would they leave all their business holdings

None of them survived.

13 posted on 11/03/2008 2:11:02 PM PST by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Covenantor

In my story, the brothers were well-off middle aged fur merchants. They were the type of integrated cosmopolitans of which you speak—not the highly orthodox. They didn’t listen to their considerably younger provincial brother who had gone to America. I know that his take on the situation was early, because as my father told it to me he died suddenly in the 1933 to 1934 winter, before things really started to cook in Reich #3.


14 posted on 11/03/2008 4:45:17 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: SJackson; Yaelle
As I said before, I don't think the writers of the e-mail have anything to apologize for by implying that a pro-Iranian, pro-Muslim, anti-Israeli American president could increase the chances of a nutjob like Ahmadinejad attacking Israel with nuclear weapons. In many Jews' minds, such an attack, depending on the military situation, could justifiably be considered a second Holocaust.

And yes, many German Jews did underestimate what Hitler's ascendancy to power would utimately mean. So they left belatedly or not at all. I believe that about 350,000 out of 500,000 German Jews did manage to get out of Germany until emigration was effectively cut off. Unfortunately, many of these German Jews went to neighboring European countries which were eventually conquered by the Nazis, and so many were ultimately rounded up to be sent to concentration camps and killed there or killed in other ways by the Nazis. So certainly some German Jewish victims could have saved themselves by leaving earlier. (Albert Einstein is a prominent example of a German Jew who left before Hitler came to power and had the prescience to go to Britain and then to the US.)

15 posted on 11/03/2008 4:48:12 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: Pearls Before Swine
It depends on the time period. Once the camps started, but before the war, I think it was too late. I had a grandfather who foresaw it in the early 30's. He'd been in America since about 1910, but he tried to tell his brothers to leave. They were pretty successful, so they didn't try to leave until it was too late. They were never heard from after the war….That reminded me of a conversation I had with an Israeli whose father had a rough time in Poland in the war, but did survive. He said that when Hitler came to power, the Jews said, "Of course he'll be bad. But we've seen bad come and go. What's he going to do -- kill us all?" The rest is history.

My comment was a general one, addressed to the comments that invariably turn up on these types of threads that the Jews would vote for Hitler, that if they don’t vote GOP the Jews in Israel can die (foreign policy based on demographic voting patterns being un-American imo), and that when Obama rounds up the Jews we won’t support them, they having voted for Dems. I know you don’t support those positions, but if I were in the middle, and read them, I write off the right as a bunch of bigoted nuts. Which many minorities do.

To my knowledge there’s no support for the idea that Jews in Germany, about 1% of the population, voted for Hitler, who never got over 35% of the vote and took power by force. If in fact they did, then only 97% of Hitler’s support was Christian. But I don’t believe it, based on the types of concern your anecdotes indicate, and the fact that over 60% of Germany’s Jews fled their country, but were unable to escape Europe.

Your anecdotes make sense. Your grandfather had vision, as did a great many European Jews. The surge in immigration to America in the late 19th, early 20th century wasn’t the result of love for Jews in their native land. Zionism wasn’t a religious movement, rather one rooted in the late 19th century which recognized that Europe was a dangerous culture for Jewish survival. I’m glad your grandfather left, but I understand his brothers motivation as well. Which in no way implies support for Hitler.

Poland, should a Pole leave his country because a tyrant gains power in Germany? It’s history, but history that can repeat itself only with the silence of the population.

Count those who condone anti-Israel or anti-Jewish domestic policy on voting loyalty among the silent. They’re on both sides of the political spectrum.

16 posted on 11/03/2008 4:49:19 PM PST by SJackson (I don't believe that people should be able to own guns, BH Obama to John Lott)
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To: SJackson

Without replying in detail to your post #16 (maybe later in the evening, depending on whether or not a honey-do house improvement project ends well), I’d simply like to take this opportunity to thank you for your well-selected and informative posts on Middle East and other issues.


17 posted on 11/03/2008 4:59:10 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: edcoil
Didn't whoopie on the view say she would go back to slavery if McCain won?

You know she's full of it. IIRC, some other Hollywood celeb said four years ago that he would leave the country if W won the presidential election. W won. He's still here.

18 posted on 11/03/2008 5:29:16 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: Red in Blue PA
And they on the left seem to be anticipating the day when they can punish such 'insolence', they are working hard (thanks MSM) to make sure there is only one acceptable view put out. Check out Menendez' threats to Cavuto on Cavuto's show, Menendez threatens Cavuto on Fox. Marxists and socialists are not exactly patient with criticism.
19 posted on 11/03/2008 5:57:14 PM PST by fortunecookie (Robin Hood is a legitimate hero, because he returned to the poor what lawfully belonged to them.)
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To: stocksthatgoup; Red in Blue PA
How dare you speak against our leader? The Secret Service will not forget when Obama is coronated!

Our new Civilian National Security Force will help the Secret Service keep up with the haters.

20 posted on 11/03/2008 6:02:27 PM PST by fortunecookie (Robin Hood is a legitimate hero, because he returned to the poor what lawfully belonged to them.)
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To: AIM Freeper
The New York Times misrepresents...

Fraud, misrepresentation, deception, dishonesty. The entire campaign of the democrat and the MSM has been a travesty. I am praying that goodness will triumph tomorrow.
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21 posted on 11/03/2008 6:16:10 PM PST by Canedawg ("If the media supposes that, the media is a ass, a idiot.," said Mr. Bumble.)
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To: Canedawg

Re your pic:

A Proverbs 31 woman. Esther, in the flesh.

God bless her and protect her, and her lovely family.


22 posted on 11/03/2008 6:19:18 PM PST by exit82 (The only person that could get me to vote for John McCain is Sarah Palin -God bless her)
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To: Red in Blue PA

“Having an opinion which differs from the left is now tantamount to “character assassination.”

Pathetic doesn’t begin to describe it.”

This is how the left operates. It’s nothing new. Since they can’t defend their indefensible positions, they move right into full scale character assassination of whoever raises points of disagreement.


23 posted on 11/04/2008 2:16:42 AM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now (Obama's close pals for at least the past 30 years have been Communist terrorists & Islamic radicals)
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24 posted on 11/04/2008 6:07:38 AM PST by SJackson (I don't believe that people should be able to own guns, BH Obama to John Lott)
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To: justiceseeker93

People forget that leaving was not an option for many. The antisemites in the State Department consistantly made sure taht despite demand, the number of refugees from Europe were always well below the hard quotas.


25 posted on 11/04/2008 8:28:00 AM PST by rmlew (NYARLATHOTEP / BIDEN'08 . If you don't believe me check out the first's wikipedia page.)
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To: rmlew
People forget that leaving was not an option for many. The antisemites in the State Department constantly made sure that despite demand, the number of refugees from Europe were always well below the hard quotas.

I'm well aware of that. At least some of those State Dept. bureaucrats were appointees of the great hero of all too many Jews, Franklin D. Roosevelt.

This subject is covered at length in the book "While Six Million Died," by Arthur D. Morse, published back in the 1960s.

26 posted on 11/04/2008 9:34:13 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

I’ve read the book. Also my godfather, Shalom Asch’s son, had some first hand stories to tell. He worked for the American Council in France, first in Paris and then Vichy. He was eventually fired for being a leak regarding the mistreatment of Jews. Right up to 1941, the sob’s at state were currying favor with the Nazis.


27 posted on 11/04/2008 2:22:38 PM PST by rmlew (NYARLATHOTEP / BIDEN'08 . If you don't believe me check out the first's wikipedia page.)
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