Skip to comments.NY Times "Slimes" Pennsylvania Jewish Activists
Posted on 11/03/2008 12:38:32 PM PST by AIM Freeper
In an editorial in todays paper, The New York Times misrepresents an anti-Obama message, which it claims amounted to character assassination.
One of its targets is an e-mailing sent by a group of Pennsylvania Jewish activists to 75,000 Jewish voters in the Keystone state, warning of the dangers of an Obama presidency.
According to The Times, the e-mailing equates a vote for Barack Obama with the tragic mistake of Jews who ignored the warning signs of the Holocaust. This implies the communication suggested that Obama would somehow facilitate another Holocaust.
It did no such thing. The e-mailing, from a retired Jewish judge and other respected members of the community, commended John McCain as a friend of Israel and a foreign-policy realist who would help to keep Israel safe.
The Holocaust warning was in reference to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who says he wants to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.
The communication also noted, again correctly, that Sen. Obama has said Hamas and Hezbollah (Irans terrorist allies, whove spent decades murdering Jews) have legitimate claims.
Worse, the Democratic candidate has offered to meet with the genocidal madmen who run Iran without precondition.
That President Obama would endanger the Jewish state with a naïve approach to an enemy pledged to its annihilation, is a reasonable conclusion.
For The New York Times to call this character assassination goes beyond hyperbole. In seeking to expose what it terms the seasons slimiest political messages, The New York Times itself has slimed a group whose only crime was to tell the truth about the Times favorite candidate.
Having an opinion which differs from the left is now tantamount to character assassination.
Pathetic doesn’t begin to describe it.
Didn’t whoopie on the view say she would go back to slavery if McCain won?
How dare you speak against our leader? The Secret Service will not forget when Obama is coronated!
The Jews ignored the warning signs during the Holocaust and happily walked into deathcamps
I have Jewish friends and in-laws that differ on McCain and Obama. I equate a Jewish vote for Obama is a vote for Isreals destruction. However, part of me feels that if they are not worried about the destruction of their state as Jewish people, I should not either!
Just do not expect the predominately Christian military to come to Isreals aid after many Jewish people in this country voted for this anti-Semite, despite protestations of Isrealis!
I equate a vote for Obama as a vote for the destruction of democracy here and abroad.
He will work with our enemies within and abroad and promulgate a Sharia type set of laws.
Secret Service? That’s a group I really feel for. With all of his socialist goals, promises to bankrupt certain industries, his desire to change the Constitution, plans for his private army, not to mention his radical allies, I have a feeling if The 0 wins the Secret Service agents are going to earn their money.
Feder is wrong on this one.
The NYT article, this was one of a number of examples of GOP campaigning stated
In the first, Republicans in Pennsylvania flooded 75,000 Jewish voters with an e-mail alarum from a retired Jewish judge equating a vote for Barack Obama with the tragic mistake of Jews who ignored the warning signs of the Holocaust. Quick apologies and retractions were offered once this surfaced in the press, but too late for the unspeakable to be spiked.
The line in the Email for which the signatories have apologized, but which Feder conveniently omits was
"Many of our ancestors ignored the warning signs in the 1930s and 1940s and made a tragic mistake. Let's not make a similar one this year!"
equating a vote for Barack Obama with the tragic mistake of Jews who ignored the warning signs of the Holocaust is precisely what the Email does. Which is a shame, since the other points it makes about Obamas associations and policies are on target.
As Ive noted before, I question the conclusion that German Jews ignored the warning signs . Most of the German Jewish population was trying desperately to get out of Germany, unfortunately most unable to get further than other European nations.
When was Whoopie a slave?
It depends on the time period. Once the camps started, but before the war, I think it was too late. I had a grandfather who foresaw it in the early 30's. He'd been in America since about 1910, but he tried to tell his brothers to leave. They were pretty successful, so they didn't try to leave until it was too late. They were never heard from after the war.
That reminded me of a conversation I had with an Israeli whose father had a rough time in Poland in the war, but did survive. He said that when Hitler came to power, the Jews said, "Of course he'll be bad. But we've seen bad come and go. What's he going to do -- kill us all?" The rest is history.
There were also many who identified themselves as cosmopolitan Germans, Austrians,etc.
I had friends whose father came over just before WWI. Worked hard on a farm acquired acreage and a large family. He pleaded with his upper middle class cousins to leave Austria telling them they had a place to stay. They not so politely told him it was beneath them to accept any help from their "rustic" cousin, and besides why would they leave all their business holdings
None of them survived.
In my story, the brothers were well-off middle aged fur merchants. They were the type of integrated cosmopolitans of which you speak—not the highly orthodox. They didn’t listen to their considerably younger provincial brother who had gone to America. I know that his take on the situation was early, because as my father told it to me he died suddenly in the 1933 to 1934 winter, before things really started to cook in Reich #3.
And yes, many German Jews did underestimate what Hitler's ascendancy to power would utimately mean. So they left belatedly or not at all. I believe that about 350,000 out of 500,000 German Jews did manage to get out of Germany until emigration was effectively cut off. Unfortunately, many of these German Jews went to neighboring European countries which were eventually conquered by the Nazis, and so many were ultimately rounded up to be sent to concentration camps and killed there or killed in other ways by the Nazis. So certainly some German Jewish victims could have saved themselves by leaving earlier. (Albert Einstein is a prominent example of a German Jew who left before Hitler came to power and had the prescience to go to Britain and then to the US.)
My comment was a general one, addressed to the comments that invariably turn up on these types of threads that the Jews would vote for Hitler, that if they dont vote GOP the Jews in Israel can die (foreign policy based on demographic voting patterns being un-American imo), and that when Obama rounds up the Jews we wont support them, they having voted for Dems. I know you dont support those positions, but if I were in the middle, and read them, I write off the right as a bunch of bigoted nuts. Which many minorities do.
To my knowledge theres no support for the idea that Jews in Germany, about 1% of the population, voted for Hitler, who never got over 35% of the vote and took power by force. If in fact they did, then only 97% of Hitlers support was Christian. But I dont believe it, based on the types of concern your anecdotes indicate, and the fact that over 60% of Germanys Jews fled their country, but were unable to escape Europe.
Your anecdotes make sense. Your grandfather had vision, as did a great many European Jews. The surge in immigration to America in the late 19th, early 20th century wasnt the result of love for Jews in their native land. Zionism wasnt a religious movement, rather one rooted in the late 19th century which recognized that Europe was a dangerous culture for Jewish survival. Im glad your grandfather left, but I understand his brothers motivation as well. Which in no way implies support for Hitler.
Poland, should a Pole leave his country because a tyrant gains power in Germany? Its history, but history that can repeat itself only with the silence of the population.
Count those who condone anti-Israel or anti-Jewish domestic policy on voting loyalty among the silent. Theyre on both sides of the political spectrum.
Without replying in detail to your post #16 (maybe later in the evening, depending on whether or not a honey-do house improvement project ends well), I’d simply like to take this opportunity to thank you for your well-selected and informative posts on Middle East and other issues.
You know she's full of it. IIRC, some other Hollywood celeb said four years ago that he would leave the country if W won the presidential election. W won. He's still here.
Our new Civilian National Security Force will help the Secret Service keep up with the haters.
Re your pic:
A Proverbs 31 woman. Esther, in the flesh.
God bless her and protect her, and her lovely family.
“Having an opinion which differs from the left is now tantamount to character assassination.
Pathetic doesnt begin to describe it.”
This is how the left operates. It’s nothing new. Since they can’t defend their indefensible positions, they move right into full scale character assassination of whoever raises points of disagreement.
People forget that leaving was not an option for many. The antisemites in the State Department consistantly made sure taht despite demand, the number of refugees from Europe were always well below the hard quotas.
I'm well aware of that. At least some of those State Dept. bureaucrats were appointees of the great hero of all too many Jews, Franklin D. Roosevelt.
This subject is covered at length in the book "While Six Million Died," by Arthur D. Morse, published back in the 1960s.
I’ve read the book. Also my godfather, Shalom Asch’s son, had some first hand stories to tell. He worked for the American Council in France, first in Paris and then Vichy. He was eventually fired for being a leak regarding the mistreatment of Jews. Right up to 1941, the sob’s at state were currying favor with the Nazis.