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Obama Wins Ohio - It's Over

Posted on 11/04/2008 6:21:14 PM PST by My Favorite Headache

Obama wins Ohio...it's not going to happen for McCain.


TOPICS: Breaking News; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: bho; bho2008; colinpowell; godbleepohio; thanksohio
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To: glock_fan
I’m dumping all investments and staying out of the Market until I see the results of 2010 if 0 wins.

Socialism and the resultant big government and redistribution have never improved an economy. We didn't get to a 13 Trillion GDP (with Japan's 4 Trillion being the next highest) without capitalism and businesses being allowed to thrive. I expect our GDP to drop significantly over the next 4 years, with a socialist in the WH and socialist as the speaker of the house and socialist as majority leader in the senate.
151 posted on 11/04/2008 7:53:24 PM PST by CottonBall
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To: xzins; All

Unlike Goldberg's, half of this new book is actually devoted to the solution to reclaim traditional America.  Time to get reading.

152 posted on 11/04/2008 7:55:19 PM PST by Harrius Magnus (LIBERALS: We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.)
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To: Nowhere Man
I'm going to keep it, work hard, make enough to take care of Mom and my cats plus keep my old jalopy running.

awwww....
153 posted on 11/04/2008 7:56:20 PM PST by CottonBall
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To: xzins; enat; Gamecock
My America has gone socialist. Babies will continue to be sacrificed to Molech. God will be angry with this people, and His judgment will come.

I had a long discussion with another attorney today. He claimed to be a Christian. He apparently is fairly active in a Baptist church and attends weekly Bible studies. To my amazement he told me that he voted for Obama. I flat out told him that I could not imagine how any Christian could possibly vote for Obama. He apparently was completely ignorant of Obama's radical stand on the issue of late-term abortions, and the born alive act. He gave me the standard "excuse" that "nobody is for abortion" and that somehow he was convinced that Obama was against abortion.

I explained to him how angry God was at the worshipers of Molech and Baal, and how his anger was stirred by the fact that they were sacrificing their children. I pointed out to him that there is literally no difference between sacrificing your child to Molech and aborting your child for economic reasons. I pointed out to him that 99.9% of abortions are for economic reasons and that less than 1/10 of 1% are necessitated by "rape, incest, or the life of the mother."

I also pointed out to him that God's judgment came down upon those nations that practiced child sacrifice. I pointed out how God utterly destroyed those nations, ordering the Israelites to kill every man, woman, child, God, of course, chicken, and anything else that was living and not to take anything out from the city that he ordered destroyed.

what amazed me was his utter and complete lack of understanding of the issue of the life of the unborn and Obama's peculiar stand on the issue. All he could do is make excuses for his choice to vote for Obama. I pointed out that I could not possibly see how any Christian, knowing the stand of Obama on the issue of life could possibly vote for him for president.

Unfortunately after I was done speaking with him, I was fairly well convinced at that point that Obama was going to get elected. There are simply too many "Christians" like him. There are simply too many "Christians" who think that the issues of economics, the so-called plight of the poor, and the unfairness of wealth distribution are somehow more important than the life of our posterity.

I fear that the same kind of judgment that was brought upon the nations in the Old Testament that practiced child sacrifice will be brought upon this nation at some time in the near or not to distant future.

Apparently America has spoken. Apparently America has made its choice.

This is a sad day for America. To paraphrase Michelle Obama, this is the first day in my life where I have been ashamed to be an American.

(Deuteronomy 30:19 KJV) I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

May God have Mercy on us all.

154 posted on 11/04/2008 7:58:09 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: CottonBall

Hubby and I are discussing tonight how we can retire early.

We done that after W. got elected in 04 - we do not regret it one bit. Go for it, and claim every tax exemption you can find in your state.


155 posted on 11/04/2008 8:00:02 PM PST by Milly (Cradle to Grave Catholic)
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To: cyberslave
McCain's only hope was to have taken Romney as Veep. Mitt would've added tremendous economic background to the ticket, in fact I doubt that Chuckie would've pulled this stunt with the Mittster on the team. He also would've been a big puller with young white woman. Oh well, Romney in 2012 ?

I think Mitt would've done much better than McCain, since the #1 issue became the economy. But in '12, we need a REAL conservative. Perhaps if Romney's new vision continues for that long....what's he doing now to prove his Des Moines conversion is real?
156 posted on 11/04/2008 8:00:50 PM PST by CottonBall
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To: airborne
Someone will start... by end of 2009.

I can guess Mitt Romney will start pounding the living crap out of Obama on weekend talk shows by this time next year.

By then we will have 10 percent unemployment, and people will want to shoot themselves for voting for this idiot.

Biden will have made at least 20 retarded statements, and people will begin to realize that the aneurysm did severe brain damage.

157 posted on 11/04/2008 8:01:52 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: Milly
We done that after W. got elected in 04 - we do not regret it one bit. Go for it, and claim every tax exemption you can find in your state.

Glad you're enjoying retirement. First - we'll have to change states because we're in Mexifornia. I want to move back to the U.S. Any ideas on good places? (with English spoken, family values, respect for work, etc... I know, I'm dreaming..)
158 posted on 11/04/2008 8:03:57 PM PST by CottonBall
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To: PA-RIVER
By then we will have 10 percent unemployment, and people will want to shoot themselves for voting for this idiot. Biden will have made at least 20 retarded statements, and people will begin to realize that the aneurysm did severe brain damage.

LOL! I will NOT give them one ounce of sympathy!
159 posted on 11/04/2008 8:05:29 PM PST by CottonBall
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To: CottonBall

Obama is Bush’s legacy.


160 posted on 11/04/2008 8:06:49 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: P-Marlowe

You know that 2 year supply that the mormons used to teach.

Stock up....to include ammo and the things that make them go bang.

A socialist makes a country communist by causing a crisis and a revolution.

There is yet a remnant, though.

I wonder what in the world pro-abortion “Christians” think is floating around in the amniotic fluid of the womb prior to its birthday?

Your lawyer friend is a feel-good, happy-clappy, religious clubber. We’ve all got our weaknesses and our times when we sin, but the point is that we’re supposed to acknowledge it as sin. We’re not supposed to explain it away.

I probably should have voted for Baldwin.


161 posted on 11/04/2008 8:10:21 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: dragnet2

Yep.


162 posted on 11/04/2008 8:11:02 PM PST by glock rocks (Have you noticed the quality of troll has taken a disappointing decline lately?)
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To: cva66snipe

Someone will be along soon to chide you for voting (in effect) for Zero, but not me. I also voted for Baldwin, in SC, a safe-bet state. Also, for the first time in my life, I did not vote for a Republican for Senate - Pandsy exemplifies my disgust, and I’m sure he gets his lever pulled plenty without a reach-around from me.

I don’t know if my vote will actually ever matter again in big elections, as I will be confining my family to “safe” states, purposely. I recognize that I prayed last night for the impossible, an electorate able to put their country/long-term, above a payday; an educated/un-indoctrinated electorate; a population where the ne’er-do-wells still had a conscious, and knew that they don’t really deserve a say while they are on the teet.

I know that I am foolish.

I will honor the memory of what a group of rabble rousers were able to accomplish 235 years ago, and what millions of men with great courage have sacrificed. As a more eloquent man that I has said, “I declare that this government is no longer a constitutional and moral form of government. I will deal with it, and I will obey its laws, and I will support it when it is defending our country from foreign and domestic enemies. I will vote in its elections and participate in its political debates. But I will never accept it. I aim at a restoration of constitutional and moral order.”


163 posted on 11/04/2008 8:12:05 PM PST by Harrius Magnus (LIBERALS: We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.)
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To: glock rocks

You “betcha”

The Bush legacy is complete...


164 posted on 11/04/2008 8:12:22 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: Harrius Magnus; P-Marlowe

Another thing: In the future, it sure helps if whatever candidate you have is a bit articulate.

George Bush was better able to communicate a point and argue it than was John McCain.

Our best communicator this time was Giuliani, but he was no conservative. After him it was Romney or Thompson. Even Thompson, though, wasn’t quick on his feet.


165 posted on 11/04/2008 8:15:40 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: CottonBall
Glad you're enjoying retirement. First - we'll have to change states because we're in Mexifornia. I want to move back to the U.S. Any ideas on good places? (with English spoken, family values, respect for work, etc... I know, I'm dreaming..)

Just a few short years ago I would have said East Tennessee. But our first Mexican President ruined it. East Tennessee Rural areas are still OK though. But the major cities like Knoxville, Oak Ridge and Morristown are over ran with Bush's Far South of Crawford, Texas friends.

166 posted on 11/04/2008 8:17:47 PM PST by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: P-Marlowe; xzins; Gamecock

I represent a couple of solid evangelical urban churches and am amazed that the pastors have the same outlook as the “christian” attorney you spoke to. All they could talk about was the “if you have done it unto the least of these” theme. I asked them if they knew who gave the most to “the least of these”, McCain or Obama and they could not answer nor could they explain “evil companions corrupt good morals”.

What is even more maddening is when the corruption and the restrictions on their liberty and pocketbook start, they will rejoice that God has counted them worthy to suffer rather than see it as God giving them the desires of their hearts and bringing leanness.


167 posted on 11/04/2008 8:18:11 PM PST by enat
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To: enat; Gamecock

see #161 & #165


168 posted on 11/04/2008 8:20:28 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: PA-RIVER
IMHO, the conservative movement was dealt a serious blow when the personal exploits of Newt Gingrich were exposed.

Since then, we have not had a spokesman to rival Newt.

I know it's a double standard, but if we are to set ourselves up above the Dem low lives, we need a representative who embodies his principles without his ‘baggage’.

I have recently been thinking of taking courses in political science and government. I think I should be willing to "walk the walk". ( a funny choice of words, given my current 'position')

169 posted on 11/04/2008 8:21:22 PM PST by airborne (Adversity doesn't build character. It reveals it!)
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To: enat

What is the leanness that God will give for turning a head so as not to see the babies in Molech’s belly?

Or for helping to put them there?


170 posted on 11/04/2008 8:26:27 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: xzins
Speaking of McCain, I guess he can toss out this act about being a conservative Republican.

He can relax, be himself. He can write new laws for Obama, that Im sure Obama will be happy to pass. Maybe he can start with the re-write of the Fairness doctrine .... or maybe Cap and trade,and banning offshore drilling. Maybe A good tax hike to nail the rich.

171 posted on 11/04/2008 8:26:43 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: enat; P-Marlowe; Gamecock

What is the leanness that God will give for turning a head so as not to see the babies in Molech’s belly?

Or for helping to put them there?


172 posted on 11/04/2008 8:27:02 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: Harrius Magnus
As a more eloquent man that I has said, “I declare that this government is no longer a constitutional and moral form of government. I will deal with it, and I will obey its laws, and I will support it when it is defending our country from foreign and domestic enemies. I will vote in its elections and participate in its political debates. But I will never accept it. I aim at a restoration of constitutional and moral order.”

I can agree with that. I have long held that by Divine Law national leaders are one of two things. They are either a blessing to nations with contrite and GOD fearing hearts, or used as a judgement for those doing otherwise. For our drinking of the cup lesser of evils The Tab we have ran up as a nation has just come due. Clinton was a warning. Obama will be a judgement.

173 posted on 11/04/2008 8:29:34 PM PST by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: enat; xzins; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg
All they could talk about was the “if you have done it unto the least of these” theme. I asked them if they knew who gave the most to “the least of these”, McCain or Obama and they could not answer nor could they explain “evil companions corrupt good morals”.

Yeah, he used the old "Golden Rule" argument and had the temerity to suggest that if Jesus were alive -- (as if he were dead) -- if Jesus were alive, today, he'd be a Democrat because somehow "doing unto others" is solely a Democrat virtue. I suggested that Jesus would never rob Peter to pay Paul, which is what the progressive tax does. I told him that Jesus would advocate voluntary Charity rather than forced Charity. I also pointed out that the welfare system makes the Government "God" in they eyes of those who receive Manna from the Government and they no longer rely upon the good graces of the Church.

It was a maddening conversation, but at the end, I knew that Obama was going to be the next president, because Obama is going to the the Messiah from Washington. People have decided to put their trust in Government and abandon their trust in God.

Its a sad day.

I'm probably going to retire to the Religion Forum after tonight. Let's say we start up the Calvin/Arminian wars again. At least if we are busy arguing scripture, we will also be busy studying it. I'm sick to death of politics. God's plan was set in motion before the foundation of the Earth. Sometimes its better to just watch from the sidelines than to struggle to change it.

174 posted on 11/04/2008 8:29:45 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: pissant
..what a pathetic ending

Everything that I thought I was seeing was just a mirage.

Reagan's Party and Reagan's America is gone now.

175 posted on 11/04/2008 8:30:33 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: PA-RIVER; P-Marlowe; enat; Gamecock

I’d prefer my candidates in the future to resign their other positions. He returns to the Senate; she returns to the governorship.

As a paranoid conspiracy theorist....no...as another human being, it would be easy for me to say to myself, “Doesn’t matter; I still have a really good job to fall back on.”

What would they do differently if that weren’t true?


176 posted on 11/04/2008 8:31:25 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: xzins; enat

What if they gave a Rapture and nobody left?


177 posted on 11/04/2008 8:33:56 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe; enat; Gamecock; PA-RIVER; Dr. Eckleburg; Harrius Magnus; WalterSkinner; pissant; ...

I just heard Carl Cameron on Fox say that many in McCain’s camp “whispered” that McCain felt Obama, as a historic candidate, “should” win.

Is that the same as hinting that McCain THREW this election?


178 posted on 11/04/2008 8:35:19 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: xzins; P-Marlowe; Dr. Eckleburg; jude24; enat

Sigh


179 posted on 11/04/2008 8:38:43 PM PST by Gamecock ("...Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles" and both to Americans.)
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To: P-Marlowe
nobody left

Absolutely.

All from the right.

:>)

180 posted on 11/04/2008 8:39:02 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: xzins
Is that the same as hinting that McCain THREW this election?

Possibly. More likely it's posturing in the face of an inevitable four to eight years of President Obama. And a clear sign that McCain intends to be much more of a Bob Michel-type "team player/loyal opposition" when he returns to the Senate
181 posted on 11/04/2008 8:39:50 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: P-Marlowe; xzins; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg

“I’m probably going to retire to the Religion Forum after tonight.”

I think I will reintroduce myself to K.


182 posted on 11/04/2008 8:39:50 PM PST by enat
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To: CottonBall
Pathetic, isn't it?

Our goal for 2012 .... run with a guy born after 1950 who doesn't look and talk like a recovering drunk. We might actually win.

183 posted on 11/04/2008 8:40:44 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: xzins
..he just finished as many of us thought he would months ago. Not a true conservative. The only thing that threw me was Sarah Palin. I thought she would change the story--she was a light but the people loved the darkness.

God help us.

184 posted on 11/04/2008 8:42:42 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: Gamecock

Am I being too much of a downer?

What if God’s judgment is to make all America’s deals work out, and everyone has 2 cars in every garage and porterhouse on every grill?

He makes them so comfortable that they say to themselves, “....forget about those babies being sacrificed to Molech.”

That’s separating the sheep & goats. And then....


185 posted on 11/04/2008 8:44:30 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: Scotswife
I’ve been examining the potential benefits of a mattress as an investment opportunity.

Me too. I think that a lot of 401K investors are going to change their positions in a drastic way. It's silly to invest when the communist government (like the one just elected) gets first cut.

186 posted on 11/04/2008 8:50:57 PM PST by meyer (The second amendment is NOT about hunting)
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To: P-Marlowe; enat; xzins; Dr. Eckleburg

*****I’m probably going to retire to the Religion Forum after tonight. Let’s say we start up the Calvin/Arminian wars again. At least if we are busy arguing scripture, we will also be busy studying it. I’m sick to death of politics.

God’s plan was set in motion before the foundation of the Earth. Sometimes its better to just watch from the sidelines than to struggle to change it.*****

__________________________________________________________

All of that being said, perhaps you should run for Congress in ‘10?


187 posted on 11/04/2008 8:50:57 PM PST by Gamecock ("...Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles" and both to Americans.)
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To: P-Marlowe; All

Satan (the delusions of the religion of man) won this battle; take heart for yourself, your loved ones (including most here that I’ve gotten to know), and your knowledge of His Truth — we know with sureness He has always planned on winning the “Big One.”
Stay true, and remember that this life’s time is only a blink of an eye compared with the time he has in store for you. Nevertheless, you will want to proudly tell Your Father what you accomplished with this short time, how apparent it is that His wishes motivated you.
Let God continue to bless this fantastic and God-fearing community. Amen.


188 posted on 11/04/2008 8:52:31 PM PST by Harrius Magnus (LIBERALS: We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.)
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To: xzins; P-Marlowe; enat; Dr. Eckleburg

***What if God’s judgment is to make all America’s deals work out, and everyone has 2 cars in every garage and porterhouse on every grill?***

More than likely SPAM in every frying pan and 1 Euro style car (read: tiny) car in every driveway.

***That’s separating the sheep & goats. And then....***

Amen


189 posted on 11/04/2008 8:56:53 PM PST by Gamecock ("...Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles" and both to Americans.)
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To: airborne

We’ve already started. You will see FALCON make a helluva lot of noise for the next 4 years.

Hunter/Palin FALCON 2012. No worries about not calling the spade a spade.


190 posted on 11/04/2008 9:00:28 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: who knows what evil?; Rca2000
I’m cancelling Christmas...not one dime this year.

I know the feeling, at least I'll scale back, do my shopping at St. Vincent Du Pauls and other thrift stores. I might buy a cheapo DVD player unless I can fix the one I have. In fact, I'm an electronics nut and I like to fix things, I might rearrange my room and put my stereo, 1970's vintage, into it. I dumpster dive from time to time and found a perfectly good CD player made by GE. It is a high end unit from 1984. The only thing it needs is a belt to open and close the tray which I can replace or use a gumband.

Sorry, I'm rambling, but there are frugal ways to enjoy the holiday. I even cobbled a TV together in my room form an old Commodore 1702 monitor with a digital TV tuner box hooked into it. Instant TV.

Car needs work as well so my buddy and I will tackle it. With OBummer as Current Occupant, we will need to learn as many skills as we can. Maybe if and when I get on where my buddy works at, an auto parts store, it might be a good place to work, with the OBummer economy, people will need parts to keep their old heaps running like in Cuba.
191 posted on 11/04/2008 9:02:42 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Is Barak HUSSEIN Obama an Anti-Christ? - B.O. Stinks! (Robert Riddle))
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To: P-Marlowe; Gamecock; xzins; Dr. Eckleburg
"What if they gave a Rapture and nobody left?"

Never mind the Rapture, I want to know how the post mils and amils can look at this mess as the Kingdom being progressively ushered in.

Maybe we have reignited the eschatological wars rather than the Calvinist'Arminian wars.

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192 posted on 11/04/2008 9:04:34 PM PST by enat
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To: Gamecock; xzins; P-Marlowe; Dr. Eckleburg

“More than likely SPAM in every frying pan”

They had the “Spamarama” cook off on the cooking channel tonight. The corn dogs made with Spam coated in a mix of cake mix, corn meal,and jalapeno peppers and deep fried looked great.


193 posted on 11/04/2008 9:13:33 PM PST by enat
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To: glock rocks; calcowgirl; NormsRevenge; B4Ranch; writer33; tubebender; Dog Gone; Grampa Dave
Lordy! I've got old friends and former constituents callin here at this hour of the night askin me which tird whirled cuntry they should move to now!!! I'm suggesting the Baltic States where they still value their recently won freedoms and free enterprise. And probably a flat tax!!!

I used to buy cigarettes from Latvia back before I quit smoking. They weren't too bad and were sure cheaper than even Indian cigarettes from the reservation over in Reno!!!

Thank God that's over with!!! The poor smokers are worse off than the blacks/slaves ever were. They not only can't even sit in the back of the bus... THEY CAN'T EVEN GIT ON THE DANGED BUS!!!

194 posted on 11/04/2008 9:24:59 PM PST by SierraWasp (Welcome to the USSA on it's way to join the third whirled in mutual misery!!!)
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To: WalterSkinner

No sir. It is not. No more so than after the Watergate/RINO Ford/Carter years. The seed planted by Reagan and Goldwater and Buckley many decades ago bore fruit in CA; and then the entire nation in 1980. Just in the nick of time, I might add.

The many seeds and deep roots that Reagan sowed and cultivated will lead us back to a Constitutional Republic, and away from the stinking piles of bullshit we have seen over the last 20 years since the Gipper faded away.

We are in for a rough 4 years. But make no mistake, the democrats will make Bush and Co. look like responsible stewards of our dollars, and make the Clinton Administration’s foreign policy look like Patton was running the show.

We have our work cut out for us. America just elected a marxist quisling. And it will take nothing short of the total re-invigoration of conservatism - the unabashed conservatism and humor of Ronald Reagan, the brilliant natural law conservatism of Jefferson and Madison and Franklin; the deep wisdom of Edmund Burke and Adam Smith, and the ‘bloody your nose’ conservatism of Teddy Roosevelt and Winston Churchill - to stop Obama, Ayers and their revolutionary red brigades.

We can do it. We have no choice. But it is our sacred duty and honor, in service to He who gave this country to us, and to the memory of all the brave patriots that spilled their blood for our posterity.

It is our turn, Walt.

America becoming Obama’s “world citizen” socialist mecca? Not on our watch.


195 posted on 11/04/2008 9:31:02 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: xzins

Well, Xzins, we did our damndest to get the GOP to snap out of the funk it was heading towards with the Rudy McRomney chosen ones. To no avail.


196 posted on 11/04/2008 9:32:58 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: glock_fan
I’m dumping all investments and staying out of the Market until I see the results of 2010 if 0 wins.

Me too. Talking with my 401K folks today. Time to cash out. Money is safer under a mattress anyway. I call upon "True Americans" to protect their assets and income from thievery. Be VERY tactful and imaginative when doing tax returns. And make as much "under the table" money as you can......

197 posted on 11/05/2008 4:56:49 AM PST by dokmad
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To: pissant; WalterSkinner; enat; P-Marlowe; Dr. Eckleburg; Harrius Magnus; airborne

The 2 mandates that I think Obama has is: (1) His tax cut for 95% who make under $250,000. (2) His universal health insurance plan. His followers also will think he has a mandate to pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Oddly enough, those tax cut and universal health are contradictory unless he pulls out our troops AND raises taxes. So, he’ll go very quickly for that tax cut for the 95%. That way, the tax increases starting in 2010 when the Bush cuts start expiring will end up making taxes higher when all the math is done.

He’ll still need the money from the military, so he’ll bring them all home and transfer the money borrowed for the war to being money spent on health care.

The message to families of our military is very sad. Since we know that Obama has set a deadline of 16 months to be out of Iraq, that means ANY death there between now and that moment in time is a total waste. We should support at this point getting out troops out.


198 posted on 11/05/2008 5:36:33 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: xzins
Oddly enough, those tax cut and universal health are contradictory unless he pulls out our troops AND raises taxes. So, he’ll go very quickly for that tax cut for the 95%.

HE is a democrat. He will not cut anyone's taxes. Bush's tax cuts are due to expire. That means a tax hike for everyone. Obama will institute universal health care. That means a significant payroll cut for all employees who are not currently under some kind of payroll plan where they get health insurance. Small businesses will be bankrupted by having to institute the health care for all their workers regardless of whether or not those workers even care about it.

Obama will cut the military, which means that defense contractors will lay off workers and military personnel will be sent into the private sector where unemployment will likely to reach 10% in the next two years.

There is simpy not enough money for Obama's grand plans, so taxes will rise not only on the rich but on everyone. Usage fees and excise taxes and luxury taxes will be doubled or tripled, which will force luxury item manufacturers (like boat builders) overseas.

There is simply no way Obama is going to cut anyone's taxes. We are now Europe. When is the last time a Socialist European Country lowered taxes?

Brace for a depression.

199 posted on 11/05/2008 5:48:07 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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Money is safer under a mattress anyway.

With double digit inflation likely in the next 4 years, your money in the mattress will soon be worth less than the straw you took out to make room for the money.

200 posted on 11/05/2008 5:50:24 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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