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Plan B - Freestate Project
Free State Project ^

Posted on 11/04/2008 8:47:39 PM PST by Retired Greyhound

I have been looking into this for quite a while now. I found out about it from Walter Williams.

The American government has been steadily eroding our constitutional rights for quite some time.

Conservatives have been successful in slowing this negative process for a time, but we may have reached a tipping point.

I have been criticized on FR for talking about secession. It is something to consider. The American government has broken its contract with the people and the states.

Freestate Project is not exactly a secession movement, but it is an opportunity for freedom loving citizens to gather in a place where we can have a greater impact politically.

Conservatives will be the new persecuted. They will try to silence us and disarm us. We must be prepared.

http://freestateproject.org/


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Let me know your thoughts.

http://freestateproject.org/

1 posted on 11/04/2008 8:47:39 PM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: Retired Greyhound

Alaska may be just the place to resettle. Beautiful scenery, independent people, and far, far away from the mainland.


2 posted on 11/04/2008 8:49:15 PM PST by kittymyrib
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To: Retired Greyhound

ping


3 posted on 11/04/2008 8:50:42 PM PST by NAVY84
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To: Retired Greyhound

Don’t go too far. I suspect the Obamanoids will screw things up so badly, we will be the ones to put it back together.


4 posted on 11/04/2008 8:51:15 PM PST by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: kittymyrib
Alaska may be just the place to resettle. Beautiful scenery, independent people, and far, far away from the mainland.

And, a good-looking governor. What more could you ask for?

5 posted on 11/04/2008 8:51:34 PM PST by Rocky
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To: kittymyrib
Good luck finding jobs up there.

You will have to make the economic infrastructure.

Cheers!

6 posted on 11/04/2008 8:51:46 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Retired Greyhound

You know about the black flies I assume....


7 posted on 11/04/2008 8:51:46 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: Retired Greyhound

I would definitely consider this, as my state turned blue today.


8 posted on 11/04/2008 8:52:32 PM PST by clintonh8r ("My friends, we've got them just where we want them." McCain. Or Custer.)
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To: wendy1946

They didn’t mention black flies in the brochure.


9 posted on 11/04/2008 8:52:50 PM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: Retired Greyhound

They never do. ;-)


10 posted on 11/04/2008 8:54:30 PM PST by Pining_4_TX
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To: Retired Greyhound

I think we should do just that. America is no longer America. We should renew her. We have enough people to do it.


11 posted on 11/04/2008 8:55:21 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: wendy1946

“You know about the black flies I assume....”

Not to mention the Buzzillions of hungry mosquitoes... but only for a few months, when it’s warm.

I’ll stay put.


12 posted on 11/04/2008 8:55:51 PM PST by 1ofmanyfree ((No jobs, licenses,mortgages,bank accounts or amnesty for any illegal alien criminals ! ))
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To: Retired Greyhound

Looking at the map - New Hampshire is blue, surrounded by blue. Not a great improvment from my now blue Florida.


13 posted on 11/04/2008 8:56:35 PM PST by Damifino (The true measure of a man is found in what he would do if he knew no one would ever find out.)
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To: Retired Greyhound

Dude, what are you talking about? Seriously?

The original FreeState is New Hampshire, and they sold their souls to a Marxist tonight. Where was the much-vaunted libertarian love of freedom that so galvanizes Granite State voters?

The FreeState concept works only to the point that you can: (1) keep socialists out of your chosen state; and (2) multiply YOUR population via increased birthrates. You might be able to achieve (2), but (as NH has already shown), achieving (1) is impossible.


14 posted on 11/04/2008 8:57:09 PM PST by ForeignDude
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To: archy

who has the porcupine ping list these days....


15 posted on 11/04/2008 9:00:10 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: 1ofmanyfree

(Not to mention the Buzzillions of hungry mosquitoes... but only for a few months, when it’s warm.)


In Maine I have killed skeeters at 34 degrees F. Blackfly season is great. We breed them to keep the massholes away.


16 posted on 11/04/2008 9:02:25 PM PST by mirkwood (Palin had my vote!)
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To: Rocky

Too d*mn cold, for one thing.


17 posted on 11/04/2008 9:04:17 PM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("I love democracy. I love Free Republic")
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To: Retired Greyhound

We lost 48% to 51% in the popular vote, with an unpopular 2nd term president, and an economic recession. This is not the end of the world, and any overreaching by the democrats will lose them seats in two years. This is their high tide, we just need to chip away.


18 posted on 11/04/2008 9:05:10 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Retired Greyhound

Can we please make it Texas? We have everything down here. Just have every patriot come here, kick out all the remaining Democrats that populate the state, seal the borders, kick out the illegals through state action, and start arming even more heavily.


19 posted on 11/04/2008 9:08:45 PM PST by According2RecentPollsAirIsGood
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To: Vince Ferrer

I strongly disagree. This is the last national election the GOP will win I. My lifetime. Citizenship for 20 million democratic Hispanics, voting rights restored for 10 million felons. A permanant 100% block vote. By blacks. More time wasted playing this game is more lost rights, more confiscated wealth, more racial spoils. A new plan is needed.


20 posted on 11/04/2008 9:13:55 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: Retired Greyhound
Any attempt to secede under a Marxist president would be met with the full force of the US military.

The Free State project had a chance a while ago, when presidents had to dance around the middle. But not now. Huseein Obama will be treated by the MSM and all the talking heads truly as ‘the anointed one.’ He'll be able to get away with murder, because, whatever he attempts, if anyone argues against it, they will be buried with the charge that they are trying to destroy the presidency of the first Halfrican-American.

21 posted on 11/04/2008 9:14:04 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
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To: Retired Greyhound

Quit being ridiculous.

I give Obama a few months before he’s alienated his base and shown his incompetence.

It’s stupid to talk about running away and hiding.

I’m an American. I’ll stay here and help put things back together.

We’ve got problems right now. It’s selfish for you to add to them.


22 posted on 11/04/2008 9:14:56 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: According2RecentPollsAirIsGood

I am from TX originally. It would be my preferred location for the revolution.

Plus we would have a large economy and a strong military.


23 posted on 11/04/2008 9:14:59 PM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: Vince Ferrer
Remember what a wise man said: “The American people get the government they deserve.”
24 posted on 11/04/2008 9:15:44 PM PST by Peacekeeper357 (Don't blame me, I voted for McCain.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

what military?? The one that just voted 70% for McCain


25 posted on 11/04/2008 9:16:15 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: Retired Greyhound

God yes!

I’d like to move to Alaska right now if we could suceed from this “Obama”nation.


26 posted on 11/04/2008 9:17:36 PM PST by MiriamTX
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To: Retired Greyhound

the only solution I think is two or three countries where once was one America.


27 posted on 11/04/2008 9:17:36 PM PST by jackshel
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To: Jack Black

Or the NG of the surrounding states.


28 posted on 11/04/2008 9:17:56 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
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To: Retired Greyhound

NH is *not* the place to establish such a ‘state’. It elected someone who will take away *all* our rights under the Constitution, which BTW he *reviles*—as given to us as a heritage by our Nation’s founders, our forefathers, and ancestors, who sacrificed *all* for the cause of Liberty, for the likes of *us*, who turned their gift into a travesty! Plus, all the *really* liberal socialists/communists from the Northeast move to both NH (esp. from MA) and VT (esp. from NY)—*not* the demographics for a promising future for such an undertaking!

It’s time for us to stand up right where we are, get involved in Conservative politics and organizations *immediately*—and tip the balance back to the Right *ASAP*!


29 posted on 11/04/2008 9:21:04 PM PST by SoCalJB
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To: Jedidah

I didn’t say anything about hiding.

I just think it is time that we free ourselves from the bondage of the Federal Govt.


30 posted on 11/04/2008 9:21:31 PM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: kittymyrib

Aren’t there still plenty of socialist in Alaska?

Don’t you have smoking bans in Juneau and Anchorage?


31 posted on 11/04/2008 9:29:06 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Retired Greyhound

The idea is intriguing bit NH would not be my first choice for a location for several reasons. The black flies are one, the dawn of the new little ice age is another.


32 posted on 11/04/2008 9:30:59 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: Retired Greyhound
From the FSP forum :

"Also inappropriate to this forum are arguments about the existence of God, because they are fruitless, and because they have nothing to do with the FSP, since we will never take an official position on the matter."

No thanks.
33 posted on 11/04/2008 9:32:19 PM PST by so_real
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To: SoCalJB

personally, I think Texas is the best bet.

I grew up there (I live in Long Beach now)


34 posted on 11/04/2008 9:39:33 PM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: Retired Greyhound
Stop growing your businesses. Stop buying. Stop feeding the beast. Stop spending as much as you can. The only way to kill this monster is to starve it to death. Without money to buy votes, the beast dies.

Who is John Gault? Don't help the government stay alive any more. Stop feeding it !!

This should become a national movement. Stop buying "junk." Save. It's a wonderful feeling not to have to keep buying "stuff." Once you break that habit, it's liberating!

35 posted on 11/04/2008 9:54:09 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: According2RecentPollsAirIsGood
Can we please make it Texas? We have everything down here. Just have every patriot come here, kick out all the remaining Democrats that populate the state, seal the borders, kick out the illegals through state action, and start arming even more heavily.

Actually, the modern day "prophets" say Texas will be the first state to leave the union. You're going to tighten your borders because so many freedom loving people will try to move there. Eventually, other states will follow you.

36 posted on 11/04/2008 9:57:10 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Retired Greyhound

Didn’t NH just go for Obama?


37 posted on 11/04/2008 10:07:26 PM PST by Technical Editor
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To: concerned about politics

Buy guns, not junk!


38 posted on 11/04/2008 10:07:53 PM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: Retired Greyhound
Buy guns, not junk!

Learn to hunt. Here, one deer fills our freezer. We don't have to spend on meat.
If people stop spending so much, the government doesn't get it's money. If it doesn't get it's money, it can't buy votes. Without freebies, the democrats can't survive, because that's all they do - spend money on the base.

39 posted on 11/04/2008 10:12:42 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: qam1; kittymyrib

Don’t underestimate the number of dumbass leftists up here.
It’s getting pretty bad.

Yes, smoking bans in Anchorage, don’t know about Juneau.

Generally, it still is good to be here... way good actually.

But, the point is: The dumbasses are breeding and going to public school.

Hurry! Would be the word to the FreeState people.


40 posted on 11/04/2008 10:13:14 PM PST by FreeRadical (Maybe will get to hang another Hussein)
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To: mirkwood

“We breed them to keep the massholes away.”

Unfortunately it isn’t working. The ones you did scare off only fell back as far as NH.


41 posted on 11/04/2008 10:13:55 PM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
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To: Jack Black

“This is the last national election the GOP will win I. My lifetime. Citizenship for 20 million democratic Hispanics, voting rights restored for 10 million felons.”

You are correct, but will even the so-called converted believe it now that we have incontrovertible evidence?


42 posted on 11/04/2008 10:21:30 PM PST by Harrius Magnus (LIBERALS: We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.)
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To: Retired Greyhound

Don’t even THINK of moving to New Hampshire...take a look at last night’s results; then consider NH already has the second highest property taxes in the nation. Plus you’ll freeze your *ss off... :-)


43 posted on 11/05/2008 6:22:16 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: who knows what evil?

Thanks for the advice about NH.

I grew up in TX. I think I will just go back there. We will secede if we have to.


44 posted on 11/05/2008 8:12:13 AM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: According2RecentPollsAirIsGood

There is only one place to begin this movement...Texas.

Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad!


45 posted on 11/05/2008 8:14:29 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: According2RecentPollsAirIsGood

Plus we have incredible high school and college football..... ;^)


46 posted on 11/05/2008 8:41:23 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Tagline scrubbed to prevent invitation to indoctrinization camp)
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To: Retired Greyhound

My wife and I were the first family to relocate to New Hampshire after it was chosen as the Free State.

As dispirited as I am today by the results not only at the Federal level but also right here in New Hampshire, I still consider myself very lucky to live here out of all the other states in the Union. While we lost some ground for individual liberty and personal responsibility yesterday, we here in New Hampshire have the most ground left to give at the end of it all, and a energized, dedicated core of friends and activists who will be at the vanguard of the fight to take it back.

Some people may look to Alaska or Montana, and that’s fine if all you want to do is hunker down and let the storm blow through, but if you want to work with fellow activists to defend and reclaim liberty, it only takes about two hours to drive from one end to another of the major population centers of the state, as opposed to 11 hours from one end of Montana to the other, or as opposed to Alaska where there’s no roads at all in much of the state.

We’d welcome you here with open arms. Yesterday’s election demonstrated that we need all the help that we can get.

And I invite you to come to Murphy’s Taproom on Elm Street in Manchester around noon this Saturday to meet a crowd of us at the Merrimack Valley Porcupines meeting, and help us mourn the election of a Marxist as President of the US.


47 posted on 11/05/2008 10:26:29 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: mvpel

I am interested.

I was warned about black flies and the weather.

Also told that there are limited jobs and that property taxes are high.


48 posted on 11/05/2008 10:32:04 AM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: who knows what evil?

With property taxes, you have local control and local accountability.

My wife and I were the deciding votes (154 to 153) to cut about $1.5 million from the town’s budget a couple of years ago, and thus cut property taxes accordingly.

Try doing that with a statewide income tax or sales tax.

Other states not only have high property taxes, they have high income and sales taxes. I’m paying about the same tax on my 3,200sf colonial on one wooded acre than I was paying on my 1,100sf ranch on a 5,000sf postage stamp in San Jose, California, and by waiting to buy our new car until we moved here, we saved $3,200 in sales tax.


49 posted on 11/05/2008 10:33:09 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: so_real

Who cares what your neighbor does or doesn’t believe about God as long as he doesn’t want to redistribute your wealth? Don’t get bogged down in irrelevancies.


50 posted on 11/05/2008 10:34:53 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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