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Posted on 11/04/2008 8:47:39 PM PST by Retired Greyhound
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New Hampshire has consistently had one of the lowest unemployment rates in the country. Check out http://www.nhjobs.com/ for page after page of jobs.
How are you going to "tip the balance" in, say, California where I lived for five years, where 61% of people voted for the Marxist and legislative districts are gerrymandered such that Democrat control of the legislature is airtight and unassailable?
The City of San Jose has about the same population as the entire state of New Hampshire, and we have the third-largest legislative body in the English-speaking world here.
If that doesn't persuade you, well, enjoy your windmills.
Agreed, but that doesn't seem to be working out too well, as of yet.
We have enough people, but not enough will. If that kind of willpower existed,last night would have gone entirely different.
Don't forget the loooooong cold winters (heating oil currently $2.75 per gallon) and the town tax you have to pay when registering a car. A nice new car could cost you $500 (or worse) to register. They get you; one way or another. Jobs? Got me. The media around here constantly whines about the "miserable economy". There are links at the FSP website...check 'em out, and make up your own mind.
Sadly, I agree.
I paid $632 to register my new Honda Pilot, but compared to the $3,200 I didn't have to pay in California and Santa Clara County sales tax, I'd consider that a bargain.
The older your car is, the less tax you pay, if your car is over 6 or 7 years old, you could pay $50 or less, depending on its original value.
Huh? Who cares? Well ... I do. Should I ever join a 20,000 family Exodus, it will not be to protect myself against wealth redistribution.
You miss my point. The FSP has attracted the interest of devout Christians seeking the freedom to home school without being harassed by bureaucrats, to atheists seeking the freedom of armed self-defense with machine guns.
For both of them, the political and cultural climate in New Hampshire has been ideal to accomplish those aims, and remains among the best in the country.
The FSP is not an ideological movement aside from the agreement to work towards the ideal of a government with its maximum role as protecting life, liberty, and property.
This might be the only way if OBummer destroys this nation. If we secede, we must take the parts that are with us and practice triage on part of the nation that can be saved and not saved. The not saved, we will let the OBummers have and when they have dirtied their nests to the point of collapse, we will then go in and clean up on the condition when they rejoin, they abide by our system based on the Constitution.
How about we retake the whole thing?
In Texas you only pay taxes on a car one time. I moved out of state. Came back and didn’t have to pay taxes to get the Texas license plate back on.
No state income tax but property taxes are sky high.
With that said, I’d still like to seceed. Of course that would probably bring on the state income tax even though it wouldn’t be neccessary if we could charge what we wanted for the oil.
But you have an 8¼% sales tax that you pay every time you buy wiper blades and motor oil, right?
Sugar Land's property tax rate is higher than that of my town here in New Hampshire, and I don't have to pay sales tax.
Jack - quit it with the pessimism - BO had 700 million and country looking for something other than dem light - we will win again and in fact as long as we grow some and stay true and proud to our principles we will win big. The problem is that the GOP is convinced we need to sacrifice our principles and move to the left when every single poll shows the opposite. We need someone who is afraid to speak the truth, abide by the constitution and put America first (not lobbyists). Once we get that it will be all downhill.
I thought they were the State Bird, or is that the misquitoes?
I’m a California prisoner for at least three more years, then plan to sell and get out hopefully. I’m a native too.
I, and other friends, are planning to find a like-minded state also, and take our tax dollars with us that fund projects like embryonic stem cell research and public school projects. We were thinking of Idaho or Northern Arizona.
Idaho is good.
The south is in great shape, too. There are still 20 good red states out there.
I have been, not quite advocating this but wondering if it would work: A three-state solution. There could be Mexifornia on the left coast. Part of the west, midwest and southeast (and Alaska) could be a continuation of the U.S.A. The east could be a neo-Soviet socialist state, composed of the northeast and the midwest rustbelt. All three states would have borders with Canada and/or Mexico and all would have good ports, so trade would not be a problem. Some of the border states could even be divided. Some people would have to relocate from an unfree state to a free one and vice versa, but that is happening anyway. This might appeal to socialists who dream of having a captive population they can completely control and it might appeal to those who just want to be left alone and who do not want half of their wealth confiscated for a failed welfare state.
Long live Free Texas!
I've got it. I'll send out a PorcuPing and FSW Ping.
So far as FReepers and the FSP, start *here*.
For more background on those who rejected the FSP New Hampshire choice and went for Wyoming instead, the Free State Wyoming group, *go here.* Both groups have FR ping lists and FR archives.
If anyone wants on the ping lists for either or both groups, just FReepmail me.
I vote for Tahiti.
It left for Wyoming, right about the time the Boston Libertarians in the FSP chose NH after losing Vermont.
It's amazing how 40+ inches of snow a couple of times a year helps keep the sandal-wearing granola munchers safely back on their Left and East coast pismires.
thanks for the links. I have been looking into FSP since I read about it in a Walter Williams column.
My mom lives in Wyoming, and I have visited many times. Seems like it would be a good place to do it, but NH has so many fundamental advantages, the large legislature being an example.
I have made my selection. I’ll post the names of the fifty states selected for Liberty later.
I’m just wondering how I stumbled into The Daily Kos.
Not sure how you equate Free State Project with Kos.
Perhaps you don’t understand the concept.
Perhaps, You misunderstood me . . . I am saying this endoftheworld/newworldorder/dictatorship stuff borders on something you might see on the Kos.
The State of Jefferson
A move to secede on California-Oregon border
Kevin Fagan, Chronicle Staff Writer
Sunday, October 5, 2008
(10-05) 04:00 PDT Yreka, Siskiyou County — Some folks around here think the economic sky is falling and state lawmakers in Sacramento and Salem are ignoring their constituents in the hinterlands.
Guess the time is ripe to create a whole new state.
That’s the thinking up here along the border between California and Oregon, where 12 sparsely populated, thickly forested counties in both states want to break away and generate the 51st star on the nation’s flag - the state of Jefferson.
You can see the signs of discontent from Klamath Falls to Dunsmuir, where green double-X “Jefferson State” flags hang in scores of businesses. You can hear the talk of revolution at lunch counters and grocery lines, where people grumble that politicians to the north and south don’t care.
You can even hear the dissent on the radio, where 21 area FM stations broadcast from Oregon into California under the banner of “Jefferson Public Radio.”
“We have nothing in common with you people down south. Nothing,” said Randy Bashaw, manager of the Jefferson State Forest Products lumber mill in the Trinity County hamlet of Hayfork. “The sooner we’re done with all you people, the better.”
Talking about secession has been a quasi-joking conversational saw since 1941, when five counties in the area started things by actually declaring themselves - briefly - to be the state of Jefferson. But now, with the economy in trouble and unemployment soaring, the idea of greater independence is getting its most serious consideration since World War II.
Locals complain that federal and state regulators have hampered the fishing and timber industries to protect forestlands and endangered species such as sucker fish and the spotted owl. Jobs are so scarce that the median income in the area is only two-thirds that of the rest of the state. Most water from the rainy Shasta region is shipped south, with little economic benefit to the area. Even the California sales tax draws sneers.
If they ran their own state, the reasoning goes, folks in Siskiyou, Modoc and the other potential Jefferson counties could whack the red tape from both federal and state officials and get rid of the sales tax.
I agree that their has been an overreaction here on FR, but that doesn’t mean that Obama is not a socialist and fascist, and that government won’t get bigger.
From my standpoint, that is cause for concern.
Free State Project is about achieving liberty by giving government back to the people.
I am also one who believes that if the American government abandons the Constitution (which it already has), that the people have a right to either scrap the broken government, or secede.
Thank you for your reply. Why?
Super idea to increase dem voter strength is every other state.
So, in retrospect, New Hampshire was probably a bad choice for Free State because it’s since been invaded by liberals fleeing the mess they created in Massachusetts.
As far a secession goes...my only comment is that 36 states can do whatever they want. Think about it.