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Posted on 11/04/2008 8:47:39 PM PST by Retired Greyhound

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To: Retired Greyhound
Also told that there are limited jobs...

New Hampshire has consistently had one of the lowest unemployment rates in the country. Check out http://www.nhjobs.com/ for page after page of jobs.

51 posted on 11/05/2008 10:47:49 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: SoCalJB
It’s time for us to stand up right where we are, get involved in Conservative politics and organizations *immediately*—and tip the balance back to the Right *ASAP*!

How are you going to "tip the balance" in, say, California where I lived for five years, where 61% of people voted for the Marxist and legislative districts are gerrymandered such that Democrat control of the legislature is airtight and unassailable?

The City of San Jose has about the same population as the entire state of New Hampshire, and we have the third-largest legislative body in the English-speaking world here.

If that doesn't persuade you, well, enjoy your windmills.

52 posted on 11/05/2008 10:51:55 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: mvpel
With property taxes, you have local control and local accountability.

Agreed, but that doesn't seem to be working out too well, as of yet.

53 posted on 11/05/2008 11:07:56 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: mvpel
Who cares what your neighbor does or doesn’t believe about God as long as he doesn’t want to redistribute your wealth? Don’t get bogged down in irrelevancies.

Huh? Who cares? Well ... I do. Should I ever join a 20,000 family Exodus, it will not be to protect myself against wealth redistribution. That is silly -- money is not everything. Heck, you can't even take it with you when you die! I'm okay with the concept of an Exodus but only for the right reasons and heading in the right direction. Given the opportunity to pick my neighbors based upon ideology, I will pick a more relevant ideology every time even if it means being penniless. Your relevancies differ? Okay ... you move :-)
54 posted on 11/05/2008 11:09:14 AM PST by so_real
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To: freekitty

We have enough people, but not enough will. If that kind of willpower existed,last night would have gone entirely different.


55 posted on 11/05/2008 11:11:56 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Retired Greyhound
Also told that there are limited jobs and that property taxes are high.

Don't forget the loooooong cold winters (heating oil currently $2.75 per gallon) and the town tax you have to pay when registering a car. A nice new car could cost you $500 (or worse) to register. They get you; one way or another. Jobs? Got me. The media around here constantly whines about the "miserable economy". There are links at the FSP website...check 'em out, and make up your own mind.

56 posted on 11/05/2008 11:13:00 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Sadly, I agree.


57 posted on 11/05/2008 11:59:08 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: who knows what evil?; so_real
Don't forget the loooooong cold winters (heating oil currently $2.75 per gallon) and the town tax you have to pay when registering a car. A nice new car could cost you $500 (or worse) to register.

I paid $632 to register my new Honda Pilot, but compared to the $3,200 I didn't have to pay in California and Santa Clara County sales tax, I'd consider that a bargain.

The older your car is, the less tax you pay, if your car is over 6 or 7 years old, you could pay $50 or less, depending on its original value.

so_real:

Huh? Who cares? Well ... I do. Should I ever join a 20,000 family Exodus, it will not be to protect myself against wealth redistribution.

You miss my point. The FSP has attracted the interest of devout Christians seeking the freedom to home school without being harassed by bureaucrats, to atheists seeking the freedom of armed self-defense with machine guns.

For both of them, the political and cultural climate in New Hampshire has been ideal to accomplish those aims, and remains among the best in the country.

The FSP is not an ideological movement aside from the agreement to work towards the ideal of a government with its maximum role as protecting life, liberty, and property.

58 posted on 11/05/2008 12:02:36 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Retired Greyhound

Interesting idea.


59 posted on 11/05/2008 12:31:44 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: Retired Greyhound

This might be the only way if OBummer destroys this nation. If we secede, we must take the parts that are with us and practice triage on part of the nation that can be saved and not saved. The not saved, we will let the OBummers have and when they have dirtied their nests to the point of collapse, we will then go in and clean up on the condition when they rejoin, they abide by our system based on the Constitution.


60 posted on 11/05/2008 12:53:53 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Is Barak HUSSEIN Obama an Anti-Christ? - B.O. Stinks! (Robert Riddle))
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To: Retired Greyhound

How about we retake the whole thing?


61 posted on 11/05/2008 1:14:03 PM PST by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: mvpel

In Texas you only pay taxes on a car one time. I moved out of state. Came back and didn’t have to pay taxes to get the Texas license plate back on.

No state income tax but property taxes are sky high.

With that said, I’d still like to seceed. Of course that would probably bring on the state income tax even though it wouldn’t be neccessary if we could charge what we wanted for the oil.


62 posted on 11/05/2008 1:16:52 PM PST by Terry Mross ( It's just a matter of time before we're all 'GUILTY' of hate speech.)
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To: Terry Mross
In Texas you only pay taxes on a car one time.

But you have an 8¼% sales tax that you pay every time you buy wiper blades and motor oil, right?

Sugar Land's property tax rate is higher than that of my town here in New Hampshire, and I don't have to pay sales tax.

63 posted on 11/05/2008 1:47:34 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Jack Black

Jack - quit it with the pessimism - BO had 700 million and country looking for something other than dem light - we will win again and in fact as long as we grow some and stay true and proud to our principles we will win big. The problem is that the GOP is convinced we need to sacrifice our principles and move to the left when every single poll shows the opposite. We need someone who is afraid to speak the truth, abide by the constitution and put America first (not lobbyists). Once we get that it will be all downhill.


64 posted on 11/05/2008 6:16:06 PM PST by sasafras (Dont be fooled - the DIVERSITY MANTRA - is the left's tool to incite hate, racism and division)
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To: wendy1946
You know about the black flies I assume....

I thought they were the State Bird, or is that the misquitoes?

65 posted on 11/05/2008 10:05:37 PM PST by happygrl (karma's going to be a B**** 0bama)
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To: Retired Greyhound

I’m a California prisoner for at least three more years, then plan to sell and get out hopefully. I’m a native too.
I, and other friends, are planning to find a like-minded state also, and take our tax dollars with us that fund projects like embryonic stem cell research and public school projects. We were thinking of Idaho or Northern Arizona.


66 posted on 11/06/2008 11:26:16 AM PST by libertylass (Her support of aerial hunting....)
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To: libertylass

Idaho is good.

Wyoming, too.

The south is in great shape, too. There are still 20 good red states out there.


67 posted on 11/06/2008 11:33:04 AM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: concerned about politics

“You’re going to tighten your borders because so many freedom loving people will try to move there. “

Won’t there be some libs in Houston trying to get out, so that I can trade my NYC apt to them? ,( :>)


68 posted on 11/06/2008 11:08:39 PM PST by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: jackshel
the only solution I think is two or three countries where once was one America.

I have been, not quite advocating this but wondering if it would work: A three-state solution. There could be Mexifornia on the left coast. Part of the west, midwest and southeast (and Alaska) could be a continuation of the U.S.A. The east could be a neo-Soviet socialist state, composed of the northeast and the midwest rustbelt. All three states would have borders with Canada and/or Mexico and all would have good ports, so trade would not be a problem. Some of the border states could even be divided. Some people would have to relocate from an unfree state to a free one and vice versa, but that is happening anyway. This might appeal to socialists who dream of having a captive population they can completely control and it might appeal to those who just want to be left alone and who do not want half of their wealth confiscated for a failed welfare state.

69 posted on 11/07/2008 2:36:31 AM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: Republic of Texas
There is only one place to begin this movement...Texas. Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad!

Long live Free Texas!

70 posted on 11/09/2008 1:14:30 PM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: stainlessbanner; Retired Greyhound; AAABEST; A.J.Armitage; archy; austingirl; BADROTOFINGER; ...
who has the porcupine ping list these days....

I've got it. I'll send out a PorcuPing and FSW Ping.

71 posted on 11/09/2008 1:17:46 PM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: Retired Greyhound
Let me know your thoughts.

http://freestateproject.org/

So far as FReepers and the FSP, start *here*.

For more background on those who rejected the FSP New Hampshire choice and went for Wyoming instead, the Free State Wyoming group, *go here.* Both groups have FR ping lists and FR archives.

FSP: http://freestateproject.org

FSW: http://www.freestatewyoming.org

If anyone wants on the ping lists for either or both groups, just FReepmail me.

72 posted on 11/09/2008 1:28:31 PM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: Retired Greyhound

I vote for Tahiti.


73 posted on 11/09/2008 1:31:21 PM PST by ovrtaxt (Only a coalition of Marxists and Islamists can destroy the United States. ~ Carlos the Jackal)
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To: ForeignDude
The original FreeState is New Hampshire, and they sold their souls to a Marxist tonight. Where was the much-vaunted libertarian love of freedom that so galvanizes Granite State voters?

It left for Wyoming, right about the time the Boston Libertarians in the FSP chose NH after losing Vermont.

Details *here*

It's amazing how 40+ inches of snow a couple of times a year helps keep the sandal-wearing granola munchers safely back on their Left and East coast pismires.

74 posted on 11/09/2008 1:34:16 PM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: archy

thanks for the links. I have been looking into FSP since I read about it in a Walter Williams column.

My mom lives in Wyoming, and I have visited many times. Seems like it would be a good place to do it, but NH has so many fundamental advantages, the large legislature being an example.


75 posted on 11/10/2008 7:29:46 AM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: Retired Greyhound

I have made my selection. I’ll post the names of the fifty states selected for Liberty later.


76 posted on 11/10/2008 7:34:10 AM PST by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: Retired Greyhound

I’m just wondering how I stumbled into The Daily Kos.


77 posted on 11/11/2008 10:01:47 AM PST by Big Guy and Rusty 99 (If Benito Mussolini was IL DUCE, Barack Obama is ILL DOUCHE!)
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To: Big Guy and Rusty 99

Not sure how you equate Free State Project with Kos.

Perhaps you don’t understand the concept.


78 posted on 11/11/2008 10:47:18 AM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: Retired Greyhound

Perhaps, You misunderstood me . . . I am saying this endoftheworld/newworldorder/dictatorship stuff borders on something you might see on the Kos.


79 posted on 11/11/2008 10:51:28 AM PST by Big Guy and Rusty 99 (If Benito Mussolini was IL DUCE, Barack Obama is ILL DOUCHE!)
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To: Retired Greyhound

The State of Jefferson

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A move to secede on California-Oregon border

Kevin Fagan, Chronicle Staff Writer

Sunday, October 5, 2008

(10-05) 04:00 PDT Yreka, Siskiyou County — Some folks around here think the economic sky is falling and state lawmakers in Sacramento and Salem are ignoring their constituents in the hinterlands.

Guess the time is ripe to create a whole new state.

That’s the thinking up here along the border between California and Oregon, where 12 sparsely populated, thickly forested counties in both states want to break away and generate the 51st star on the nation’s flag - the state of Jefferson.

You can see the signs of discontent from Klamath Falls to Dunsmuir, where green double-X “Jefferson State” flags hang in scores of businesses. You can hear the talk of revolution at lunch counters and grocery lines, where people grumble that politicians to the north and south don’t care.

You can even hear the dissent on the radio, where 21 area FM stations broadcast from Oregon into California under the banner of “Jefferson Public Radio.”

“We have nothing in common with you people down south. Nothing,” said Randy Bashaw, manager of the Jefferson State Forest Products lumber mill in the Trinity County hamlet of Hayfork. “The sooner we’re done with all you people, the better.”

Talking about secession has been a quasi-joking conversational saw since 1941, when five counties in the area started things by actually declaring themselves - briefly - to be the state of Jefferson. But now, with the economy in trouble and unemployment soaring, the idea of greater independence is getting its most serious consideration since World War II.

Locals complain that federal and state regulators have hampered the fishing and timber industries to protect forestlands and endangered species such as sucker fish and the spotted owl. Jobs are so scarce that the median income in the area is only two-thirds that of the rest of the state. Most water from the rainy Shasta region is shipped south, with little economic benefit to the area. Even the California sales tax draws sneers.

If they ran their own state, the reasoning goes, folks in Siskiyou, Modoc and the other potential Jefferson counties could whack the red tape from both federal and state officials and get rid of the sales tax.

http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/search?q=state+of+jefferson

http://www.jeffersonstate.com/jeffersonproclamation.html


80 posted on 11/11/2008 11:00:51 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: Big Guy and Rusty 99

I agree that their has been an overreaction here on FR, but that doesn’t mean that Obama is not a socialist and fascist, and that government won’t get bigger.

From my standpoint, that is cause for concern.

Free State Project is about achieving liberty by giving government back to the people.

I am also one who believes that if the American government abandons the Constitution (which it already has), that the people have a right to either scrap the broken government, or secede.


81 posted on 11/11/2008 11:02:50 AM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: calenel

Thank you for your reply. Why?


82 posted on 11/12/2008 5:05:45 PM PST by mirkwood (Palin had my vote!)
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To: Retired Greyhound

Super idea to increase dem voter strength is every other state.


83 posted on 11/14/2008 11:24:30 AM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Retired Greyhound

So, in retrospect, New Hampshire was probably a bad choice for Free State because it’s since been invaded by liberals fleeing the mess they created in Massachusetts.

As far a secession goes...my only comment is that 36 states can do whatever they want. Think about it.


84 posted on 11/14/2008 11:27:45 AM PST by Doohickey (The more cynical you become, the better off you'll be.)
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