Skip to comments.Dubya seceeded by Aitch! What is the new Grass Roots movement?
Posted on 11/04/2008 8:49:00 PM PST by An American!
8 years ago our beloved W (Dubya) was elected and now we have an H (Aitch).
I am in total shock that our United States elected someone we know next to nothing about. With so many unanswered questions why did it not matter to almost 55% of Americans? I am in shock that Murtha was re-elected. I am in shock that the polls were right.
Now is the time to not over-react, but to begin laying a foundation for a future victory. What issues are good ones for a grass roots movement? Abortion? Faith? Flat Tax? Property rights?
It is obvious that the youth are willing to vote. It is obvious that whatever movement, it cannot be limited to rural areas, but must gain momentum in population areas.
I am in shock and numb, but somewhere out there is the seeds to a new start.
There will be no 2012 election for the people.
America has voted to keep abortion safe, legal, and fun.
You don’t want my suggestions right now....
Money, by the train load.
Actually, you want my suggestion? We have to get back the schools.
We need to remember that Democrats ride Snow Machines and shoot guns too! My co-worker is a gun fanatic and hunter yet voted 100% Democrat!!!!! Crazy. He also claims to be against abortion? huh? How can you be like that and elect people who work against what you hold important.
No - wait, that's the bedrock of the GOP! But for some reason over the last few years, we've been spending money left and right like democrats.
One more thing...let's choose to boycott one...just one liberal network...I say CNN.
A lot of Americans are stupid when it comes to voting. They re-elect the same bums all of the time. Also, the people that would be good for America are too smart to run or get involved. There are too many good old boy obstacles to overcome.
First- let’s all hope that there IS an election in 2012. Tonight, there is reason to doubt.
Second-The fact that Obama was elected and a senile hate-monger like Murtha re-elected is all the proof we need that the country is now being led by stupid children (thanks to the public education system that went rotten while we looked out for ourselves) and those who believe they are entitled to the sweat of someone else’s brow. We have a cross between “Animal Farm” and “1984” with a smattering of “Brave New World”. May God help us all.
The only thing that MIGHT help is the very for-sure fact that these elitists now poised to do whatever they want with us will show the “useful idiots” just what they think of THEM, too.
Then we assess why we lost. We could probably think of alot of strategic blunders, but fundamentally we need to examine where we are as conservatives, first and then as Republicans.
I don't think it is too helpful to plot strategy when we are still clearing away the debris. But we cannot take a direction if it leads us into another defeat.
I dunno what can be done. I have two friends who are conservative by all indications but “couldnt see themselves voting for a republican”. There is a stigma and it smells like crap....
Emotions are running very high. But I agree with the OP. Look guys we have to get coordinated, and we have to get mobilized.
1.) Right to Life
I can’t stand the concept of parital birth abortion, and frankly the numbers that liberals throw around for abortion for rape is appalling (.001% of rapes end in pregnancy) but make no mistake we must become more centered and give allowances that can get the support of the majority.
2.) Government Budget
I think we need to re-think the concept of government budgetary cycles. Every year dealing with government spending is wasteful. We need to allow time to those doing the budgets to allow for zero-base budgeting and that can not happen on a yearly basis. I’m thinking a 3 year budget cycle. Thoughts?
Some say Flat, some say fair, the bottom line is a stance that our Tax system must be re-thought. Government has expenses, and once we see our budgetary requirements our tax system need an ability to cope with change in a manner that is fair to all working Americans.
4.) Incentives for innovation and infrastructure upgrades
Jobs and the reason to get people working again.
5.) Zero-Base Welfare reform and Disability aid reform
The people receiving it, the duration they’ve received it etc.
Building and continuing to reshape our fighting force and intelligence capability
Don’t let your emotions rule you, put your thoughts and ideas down, get them collected we WILL live to fight another day. But make no mistake, a government that will support partial birth abortion is a government that MUST be fought. And that is a fight where the tree of liberty must be watered.
Any ideas on that? How do you gain control over the media? News media? We got the internet, but MSM still holds a considerable sway over the overall message that gets out. What ideas do we have to counter-act this? the suggestion above was MONEY!!! Unfortunately the Billionaires are all feeling guilty and willing to give up half their fortunes to the less fortunate (ie those that dont work) instead of helping build a strong country!
Just look at his pathetic approval rating. Republican party needs to be cleaned out.
thank you.... he is my beloved W. It is just absolutely dispicable how he has been disparaged. I miss him already.
Nah...the internet is here to stay (for a while at least)...it is a National Defense item, the economy depends on it etc. Take 20 years of work to shackle it...but they will probably start on the 20 year plan tomorrow.
Have you jammed scissors into your babies skull today?
Celebrate choice! Scrambled or poached?
If a people is so selfish as to subvert the most basic right (life) to a less basic right (choice/convenience), that people deserves no peace of conscience. As H would say, it is time to get in their faces. Enough politeness.
Your other ideas are excellent (3-year baseline), but without the right to life and a termination of the charade that abortion is somehow good for women, severing as it does the most fundamental relationship a woman can have, I view those other things as secondary.
How about this for a shocker: Maybe some conservatives will have the cahones to actually call the RAT Party on voter fraud and shore up the voting system that worked for most of this country's short life.
And as far as seeds and a new start, maybe it's time we started cracking some skulls of those voter intimidators who violate constitutional rights and a few pandering, lying, cover-up media people. If they want socialism so bad that they are willing to spoof the American public by constant fabrication with no accountability, then let's give them more than they bargained for and let's counter and raise the ante with some good old fashioned fascism ala Mussolini and company. Maybe THEY'LL get the picture! I for one am tired of appeasing and being nice to these ingrates and so-called 'Americans' that 'claim to support' our welfare and well being!!! Period!!!
Can you say "Revolution?" I knew you could. :>)
Look, I didn’t say Democrats. I said Lefties.
There will not be a 2012 election for the people and of the people.
I agree. W made some mistakes but he has the entire media to fight. The only thing he could have done more of was reach out to the alternative media (Rush, Hannity, etc.) and leverage their megaphones. I wondered what he was thinking sometimes...
Not sure that I am 100% on board with the Hostile part...but in spirit I agree 100% with your thoughts at http://hostileopposition.blogspot.com/ ...all we really have to do is switch 4 million of the 120 million voters...that is the only difference...which 4-10 million do we get motivated? What theme would galvanize and invigorate this group?
Not so much of an idiot since he kept us safe since 9/11. At least give the guy credit for that, because we're all going to be hung out to dry after Jan. 20th friend, and that includes our military.
IF we have an election in 2012.........
I submit to you that the Gen Xer’s need to get involved in the media.
“let’s give them more than they bargained for and let’s counter and raise the ante with some good old fashioned fascism ala Mussolini and company”
If you are advocating a fascist revolution led by blackshirts a la Mussolini, count me out.
I don’t want anything to do with fascism or communism. My dad fought against fascism and I don’t believe anyone should be talking about starting American fascist movements here.
I agree that the schools are where we lost this. I cannot see how to take them back. I know it needs to be done, but I cannot picture a way to do it.
A pattern I’ve picked up is that the Dems always try to win voters with quick non sequiturs. The way we must win subsequent elections isn’t to counter them with paragraphs, but rather, something to the effect of a confused sounding “Huh?” or a patronizing sounding “Hmmm”.
This man’s been trained by black religious preachers. Most black religious preachers, from seeing them day in and day out, are verbose idiots. Their audience isn’t smart enough to figure out a paragraph or a valid argument.
I know. I’ve debated the bible with them to the point where even though I’d show them that they were wrong in interpreting scripture, they’d “win” an audience that overheard our debate with their fiery speech. However, I usually won the audience in those debates by either asking them to explain their arguments, and when they usually sound illogical, just say to them “Hmmm, interesting theory” in a patronizing manner. The audience around us actually would think about what the guy said and realize that he’s a crackpot.
To “win” our audience back, we have to find a patronizing “hmmm, interesting theory” moment once he starts sounding like the preacher he is.
You do have a point; however, it was never going to work with Ross Perot because it wasn’t suppose to work with Ross Perot.
This time whoever the powers that be really are didn’t care if we had a Ross Perot in the running. They needed to get rid of America as America is. Believe me a man like Obama could never have won without help from unknown sources.
It’s One World Government.
You mean nearly 3 times higher than the re-elected Pelosi's? For that matter, Obama and McCain fall into the 7% crowd also. The Republican Party has lost its way. I'm no longer sure which is the more monumental task: Turning this off-course beast with all its momentum, or creating a new party from scratch. Tonight is not the night to think about it for me.
Here are some of the issues I wish the GOP had focused on this year:
(1) Supreme Court Justices & Property Rights - Obama criticized Thomas and Scalia, yet they were two of the only justices to dissent in the Kelo decision. Anyone remember that case? Both conservatives AND liberals were screaming about it. Why the GOP campaign didn’t hammer on it in this campaign, I’ll never understand.
(2) Libertarian views - I live in a blue state and grew up in PA, where my family still lives. Mostly everyone I’ve ever met has a libertarian streak, somewhere, somehow. The GOP needs to point out how the Dems intrude on your privacy and limit your choices, thus interfering with your decision-making in your own life and for your own family (as in education, healthcare, etc.)
(3) The Economy - The GOP should articulate more on the economy and educate the public more about economic policies.
There’s much more, but I’m too tired right now.
Freedom, Liberty, Personal Responsibility, and general Conservative principles suffered a crushing defeat tonight. The concept of limited government seems dead. In an election I will remember as the choice of the lesser of two evils, evil won.
Tonight the fight for control of our country begins anew. The 2010 election begins now. I expect history to repeat itself. I expect Obama, Reid and Pelosi to follow the Clinton model in 1992 and overreach, thinking tonight gives them a clear left-wing mandate. I expect the Democrats to raise taxes and raise spending. I expect them to push for nationalized health care, the fairness doctrine, and the card check union system. I expect there will be a backlash in 2 years. As Conservatives, it is time to dust ourselves off, look to the principles of Reagan and Goldwater and Gingrich that served us so well in the past, and begin the fight anew.
If there is a lesson to be learned from this election, its that Republicans cannot and should not win by trying to move to the center. We must again become the party of small government. We must return to the concepts of fiscal responsibility and personal liberty. Our country is doomed to follow the path of other once-great societies if we do not.
I see 4 as a method to create a unity between all parties. Obama brought Green jobs (yuck) but it struck a chord. The idea that blue collar can turn in their shirts and get Green collar jobs that promise higher wages did have impact, and certainly brought the youth out in droves as well. They took that issue and used it very well, but we all know in reality it's simply well distribution. From one job into another.
5.) I can't agree more. I've seen this time and time again in my church. We were much more effective at giving aid to Katrina, and rebuilding than the respective government attempts and we should know well that much of that is from the more personal attention and focus, and more of a mission of spreading more than just money, but in fact helping to lift up. The issue has no become similar to historical references. If we look at Rome and the way welfare was used, literally they built a dependency and future politicians had very difficult times without matching those ‘gifts’. Welfare is a habit, and without some type of strong transition plan for recipients... you could lose that portion of the vote. So from a strategy to win, what can we do?
6.) I don't think I'm alone on this; I presume a very different battlefield for tomorrow. So for me this is about reducing our dollars spent while at the same time increasing our ability. I'm of the mind set of increasing our special forces troops and highly skilled troops and use as a proactive application of force where we need it. And for our intelligence gathering, I want to see reduced agencies and offices and more of a flat ‘Intelligence’ entity. We spend way too much money on capabilities for each of our people when we could consolidate and flatten out this area. I.E we have NGA, CIA, NSA, NRO, FBI, the list goes on. (http://www.fas.org/irp/official.html)
I'm not sure of what the answer is, however, IF we can reign in that spending while increasing our ability that is something both sides could be for I think.
Thanks for taking the time to reply. I hope once some of the emotion quiets, we can all put our thinking caps on and come up with a platform we would support + consider the other side to begin thinking of how to be flexible on items where we must.
Shirts, bumper stickers, anything you can get out there.
“So this woman goes into a bar and says I'd like a beer and an abortion.” I have no idea what the punchline would be as I am not a comedian but I'm sure it's there.
Perhaps “Since 1973 there has been nearly 50,000,000 abortions... .001% were from Rape... So where are the other 49,550,000 of us?” I probably wouldn't mention the 50,000,000 illegals since 1973 we've imported...
Your scrambled or poached line makes me ill, but maybe that's what we need.
There needs to be explicit video showing the truth of these evil things, they need to be on TV in ads. I mean come on, the picture of the little child in the hand is powerful, the video of a baby being vacuumed while he/she lies suffocating in the womb needs to be seen. The ugliness needs to be seen. The guilt of this must come out.
And Lexinom I agree, the Right to Life is #1 the rest are noise in comparison, but if we can't get in power we have no method legally to help correct this issue.
God Bless everyone, and think of the future, Get Angry now, and Vent, but get constructive and focus that anger for motivation and perseverance we'll need for the next 4 years.
A lot of people, when presented with the ideas of the Libertarian party like a lot of what they hear. Not all of it, but a lot. But, if you say “That’s the Libertarian Party” they flip out. It’s a matter of branding.
What we need is a new party that has the Republican conservatism and the Libertarian freedom and combine those together with a new brand name.
Personally, I’m going to avoid CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSBC, and even FOX (unless there is a emergency). Advertisers need to be able to connect the news media’s agenda to decreasing advertising revenue before there can be any progress. But first I personally need to “get over” my shock of what I feared the most just happened. Prehaps in a few weeks I might be able to see things a little clearer.