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How Did Reagan Defeat Communism?
10/05/08 | FTL

Posted on 11/04/2008 11:33:09 PM PST by FTL

Reagan taught us how to defeat the Marxists. Marxists are easy to defeat if you defund and bankrupt them.

Marxists win ONLY if you agree to play along. Their system is easily overwhelmed by demand. Anytime you give something away for free, there is always a run on that item. This leads to rationing.

It has happened in every Socialist nation. North Korea is constantly in cycles of starvation because they work at the minimal level with no incentive while placing the maximum stress on the government to provide. Same thing in Cuba, the Soviets fell and all the Eastern Bloc nations. It collapses in Afrika all the time.

The formula for failure works every time. It won't have to get to that point before these young I-Pod dummies who that think Socialism is the answer and voted their Messiah see that this shit ain't gonna work. How about we work THEIR young asses into the dirt - supporting US? See how long THAT scenario works.

But we have to demonstrate it - harshly. Set 'em up, and set 'em up for failure. After all, they have worked 8 years trying to fail this administration. What's 8 more? Its the only way to counter generations of dummies brainwashed by the education system, government, and media.

They think it will be a Utopia - it will - for them, if we agree to go along with it.

They depend on the producers to produce for the ruling political class to engage in their feel-good centralized redistribution of wealth.

Think about it. Overload their system with demands for maximum free stuff while producing little to no taxable revenue and Marxism cannot stand on its own. There is no incentive.

"Demonstrate an absurdity by being absurd"....

Ride the Democrats in congress daily with calls for "where's all my free stuff and why aren't you paying my mortgage and all my bills like you said".

Capitalism stands on its own due to incentive and freedom to make your own decisions.

If 100 million American just decided to only buy the bare essentials, save, earn just enough to keep you in the lowest tax bracket for two years - they simply could take out the revenue the Marxists need to run their system, and the Marxist model will fail.

Look, either way we are in for pain. Elections have consequences. Either under a successful Marxist state that we help in further reducing our freedoms, or under a scenario of FAILED Marxism.

We can go one way, cooperate and make nice with them, and help them build their power. The other way is to make them flounder and either prove Marxism can stand on its own (it can't) or admit the failure of this great experiment in America.

Nothing moves without money and people willing to be the producers in society. Why should you be willing, if they are just going to turn around and redistribute it to others?

They need us to make it work. They can't do it without us. Tell me why they should be rewarded after defrauding the election and their treatment of the last 8 years?

Cut 'em off. All of 'em. Declare them written out of your will - your will to work for them under these conditions.


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bankrupting; by; them

1 posted on 11/04/2008 11:33:09 PM PST by FTL
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To: FTL

Staying power. Reagan didn’t quit.


2 posted on 11/04/2008 11:33:59 PM PST by dr_who
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To: FTL

And a very optimistic form of patriotism. Reagan never disparaged his own country.


3 posted on 11/04/2008 11:35:06 PM PST by dr_who
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To: FTL

Strength through superior fire power.

Keep your guns nearby and your ammo dry.


4 posted on 11/04/2008 11:35:27 PM PST by diverteach (http://foolishpleasurestudio.com/eyewool/slap_hillary.html)
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To: FTL

And Atlas Shrugged.


5 posted on 11/04/2008 11:35:45 PM PST by bethtopaz (Communist Goal #21 for Takeover of US: Gain control of key positions in radio, TV & motion pictures.)
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To: FTL

Obviously Reagan did not defeat Marxism. It simply went underground to fight another day. And now...a marxist has gained control of the US. Doesn’t look much like a defeat to me.


6 posted on 11/04/2008 11:35:45 PM PST by BootsOfEscaping
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To: FTL

First. He believed. After that, it was just details.


7 posted on 11/04/2008 11:36:16 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: FTL

You have good points.

One way or another, Socialism will be demonstrated and people will see the light.

Anything we can do to speed up this process and shortening the learning curve is worth thinking about.

Sacrificing much for two or four years may give us a future. If we don’t, we have no future and neither do our kids.

Quit spending! It’s for the children! ;-)


8 posted on 11/04/2008 11:37:28 PM PST by Marie (Palin/Rush '12)
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To: BootsOfEscaping

Alternative method for defeating besides defunding?


9 posted on 11/04/2008 11:37:55 PM PST by FTL
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To: FTL

A bankrupted federal government is part of the marxist’s plans. You have to take EVERYTHING away before you can give ANYTHING back.

Can you say EURO????


10 posted on 11/04/2008 11:37:57 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: FTL

He bankrupt the Soviet Empire they could not keep up with our willingness to defend ourselves to whatever cost was necessary, their ideology was never defeated,
the plans they set in motion 40 years ago came to fruition last night, watch this video.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6KUDv1wzraWhwlBt1


11 posted on 11/04/2008 11:39:37 PM PST by pennboricua
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To: FTL

It came back


12 posted on 11/04/2008 11:40:19 PM PST by Crazieman (Feb 7, 2008 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966675/posts?page=28#28)
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To: FTL

Hot Damn...Now we are talkin my language. We gotta vote...NOT PRESENT. Pull back. Do not help them. Stop them cold. Drop out. Let them screw it up so bad the moochers will beg us to help...But Noooo we do not. I like your plan.


13 posted on 11/04/2008 11:40:19 PM PST by screaminsunshine
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To: FTL
Get our own house in order for the fights to come and pay these mfers back, measure for measure for 8 years of hate and discontent. I will extend to them every courtesy that they extended to us. Dirtbag traitors.

Starve government schools of their pupils, remove your children from liberal colleges.



Do not join the military, do not reup.

Hide your income.

14 posted on 11/04/2008 11:40:29 PM PST by roses of sharon (The MSM vampires must die.)
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To: BootsOfEscaping

this is how they did it
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6KUDv1wzraWhwlBt1


15 posted on 11/04/2008 11:41:29 PM PST by pennboricua
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To: FTL

Exactly!!! We can do this easily. I am going to start an organization to demand all of his promises. This will expose socialism for the joke it is. I’m thinking ads and protests. FIGHT WITH ME BROTHERS AND SISTERS!!!! more to come on Naked Emperor News


16 posted on 11/04/2008 11:42:25 PM PST by Pacothecat
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To: FTL
Mastermind

(Let's face it, we could use a few laughs courtesy of the late, great Phil Hartman)

17 posted on 11/04/2008 11:42:55 PM PST by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: FTL
Ride the Democrats in congress daily with calls for "where's all my free stuff and why aren't you paying my mortgage and all my bills like you said".

I like this idea. I could call up Carl Levin, give him the name of the bank where my mortgage is held, and ask him how soon to expect the check. I think this would be a great letter-writing and phone-calling campaign.

Just do it totally matter-of-fact and straight-faced, like good old Aunt Jane innocently inquiring whether or not little Barry received the gift I sent, since I haven't gotten my thank you yet. I ignored most of what Obama said during the campaign, but I am sure we could go back and find the laundry list of promises.

18 posted on 11/04/2008 11:44:56 PM PST by Elvina (The average IQ in America is 100. Half are operating in the double-digits --as seen tonight.)
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To: FTL

I’d really like to see a clear plan for this that I can follow.


19 posted on 11/04/2008 11:45:44 PM PST by Technical Editor
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To: All

How do you fight half of America actually believing either that Obama isn’t a socialist or he is and they prefer to live under a socialistic society?

What again is the weak link in socialism? I believe its the ability of the government to actually deliver the goods they promised.

Will your gas and mortgage bills be paid by the government? what if something happens domestically that prevents that?

A year from now you who voted for Obama is living on a government stipend much like welfare, you have no desire to work, you probably cannot afford a new TV much less a car, forget about bling or even eating out.

Forget the American dream because you gave it up so you can sit in your house not being productive, you are now part of the dry rot of a future America.

I am on the verge of praying for a nuclear attack in the United States right now, any terrorist attack, something to wake up America.

You have made your bed, now sleep in it. That is unless you have to share it with your neighbore.


20 posted on 11/04/2008 11:46:26 PM PST by Daniel Ramsey (alpha and omega)
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To: pennboricua

Good stuff. I will watch this entire discussion and be sharing it with some morons who still can’t grasp it.


21 posted on 11/04/2008 11:47:17 PM PST by FTL
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To: Technical Editor

Well, this is just the rough draft. We are think tanking this as we speak. It will have to be a movement, as all these waves are. It won’t be easy, I’ll grant you that. And it will not happen overnight.

We must learn the patience of the Communists, if we are to defeat them.

Nothing terrifies the Communist state more than a proletariat who has gotten wise and puts the brakes on the revenue stream.

Usually when that happens they totalitarians ratchet it up to their next phase - forced labor camps. At that point, it pretty much goes Wolverine from there.


22 posted on 11/04/2008 11:50:54 PM PST by FTL
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To: Elvina
Ride the Democrats in congress daily with calls for "where's all my free stuff and why aren't you paying my mortgage and all my bills like you said". I like this idea. I could call up Carl Levin, give him the name of the bank where my mortgage is held, and ask him how soon to expect the check. I think this would be a great letter-writing and phone-calling campaign. Just do it totally matter-of-fact and straight-faced, like good old Aunt Jane innocently inquiring whether or not little Barry received the gift I sent, since I haven't gotten my thank you yet. I ignored most of what Obama said during the campaign, but I am sure we could go back and find the laundry list of promises

Do it with total seriousness and outrage at the delay. We play the role of the brainwashed morons who actually bought into all this. We can put incredible pressure on the Democrats to deliver, all the while slowly cutting off their ability to do so.
23 posted on 11/04/2008 11:53:27 PM PST by FTL
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To: FTL
Their system is easily overwhelmed by demand.

The socialists' system will always be overwhelmed by demand. Socialism begets infinite demand, regardless what it is. It's just human nature. Why work when the pies are free.

And then ... the money runs out, no country can print it forever.

Socialism doesn't fail, it just runs out of other people's money to give away. FDR is the best example of turning what was a bad situation into very near calamitous one. His 'New Deal' was the biggest raw deal America ever got. It did nothing to help the economy, it just paid people for what was essentially make work projects that had no lasting economy impact. That's the liberal blind spot, they don't trust people.

Reagan sapped what little extra money the Soviets had by spending on technology the Soviets could not match, because their economy could not produce it. Their economy could not generate more excess cash, implosion and total collapse.

We need to find that one pressure point, I am sure there will be plenty of options. Find it with the right timing, and poof goes the socialists. It may well be global warming.

If the current solar trends continue, before long it will be cold enough that everyone but the densest moron will realize that it's a hoax -- Pay more in taxes so government can pretend to control the weather. You couple that with the stupidity of the no drill policy and the idiocy of alternative fuels and it may in total be the key. Oil sprang up after it was clear Obama was going to win, the plan all along, so the need for cash by the oil producers is severe enough, they will constrict supply to raise prices.

24 posted on 11/04/2008 11:56:54 PM PST by Tarpon (Barack Obama will ban all the guns he has the votes for ...)
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To: Tarpon

I would like to see a lot more from our side analyzing this an discussing how Socialism depends on willing slaves to work it and if they don’t how it can quickly fall apart.

Then they have only two choices;

1. Admit failure and that Capitalism was correct.
2). Attempt to move into the totalitarian state and full Soviet model.


25 posted on 11/05/2008 12:00:17 AM PST by FTL
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To: FTL
earn just enough to keep you in the lowest tax bracket for two years

When the market gets crazy, you should "park" your money. When the marxists get crazy, you should "park" your labor. I'm thinking of taking out a nice big student loan and heading back to school until this whole things blows over. That way I remove myself from the tax base but I don't take a hit to the resume.

26 posted on 11/05/2008 12:04:19 AM PST by PressurePoint
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To: FTL
They will never admit failure -- Socialism works in stages, when the pies run out, which is quick, you pressure the bakers, when the bakers give up, you threaten them, when that doesn't work, you bring out the gulags, and lastly, you makes examples of the under performing bakers and kill them. All tends to make the entire system fail from the inside.

Socialism in all it's forms cannot tolerate communications channels that are not controlled by the state. The fax tree had as much to do with collapsing the Soviet Union as did other things. So we need to protect talk radio and the Internet.

27 posted on 11/05/2008 12:09:09 AM PST by Tarpon (Barack Obama will ban all the guns he has the votes for ...)
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To: FTL

The reason why we lost is because the electorate doesn’t realize the danger socialism poses. Our public education system and our liberal university professors have successfully indoctrinated our populace to see socialism, not as evil, but utopian. They’ve taught us the evils of capitalism and the arrogance of America. They’ve shown us that Christianity is a silly superstition and environmentalism is hip and cool.

My most conservative friends are articulate and intelligent. They also do not have a college degree.

That will take years to reverse. Even if Obama would have lost, there would have been another Obama, perhaps one that would have been tougher to beat.

Any solution would involve our education system. Conservatism needs to be marketed. Young patriots and Rush-babies are the future of the conservative philosophy.

It is the new counter-culture, and it needs its share of icons ands iconoclasts. It needs to be cool. Otherwise, any political victory is liable to be short-term, spitting in the wind.


28 posted on 11/05/2008 12:10:41 AM PST by foobarred
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To: PressurePoint

Exactly my personal play in this game that started intentionally when the Telco industry decided to send my job to India right before Christmas last year.
“Your jobs are safe, we’ll just have someone in India doing them.”

I went back to school on one of Clinton’s renamed programs called Workforce Investment Act. (Doesn’t really pay for it, I still take student loans from Wachovia or Wha-?)
But stay the course. Get a higher paying job eventually and somehow play the Charlie Rangle game. (Just kidding, but I don’t like Joe the Biden’s idea of being patriotic right now)

Buy gold, better yet, figure out a way to get paid in gold.


29 posted on 11/05/2008 12:53:55 AM PST by MidasMulligan23
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To: FTL

“Marxists win ONLY if you agree to play along”

Reminds me of the Rearden trial stage on Atlas Shrugged.


30 posted on 11/05/2008 12:55:35 AM PST by Moose Burger
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To: Moose Burger

Yes! Exactly what I think everyday. Hank Reardon is right.

I almost punched some 20-something that was wearing a “cool and stylish” red shirt with a soviet seal and hammer and sickle today. I thought better of it, but I really should have challenged him about it. He would have said “just chill, dude, it’s just a shirt.” and I would have been the jerk.

I used to laugh at sentiments like this, but This country has gone downhill bad in my adult lifetime and I’m only 32.

Kids these days.


31 posted on 11/05/2008 1:06:26 AM PST by MidasMulligan23
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To: FTL

Reagan didn’t defeat communism. It is alive and well here in the USSA - United Socialist States of America.

Tonight proved it.

Reagan won a battle. They are winning the war.


32 posted on 11/05/2008 1:37:56 AM PST by Ophiucus
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To: FTL

I aggree we need to bankrupt the system, Which will cause more misery but America deserves it given they voted for it.

Problem is after this bailout has been signed the first years of an Obama Administration will look good. At least on the surface.

The marxists will now increase their grip on power and destroy all politcal enemies. Power is meant to be used...


34 posted on 11/05/2008 2:45:18 AM PST by ColdSteelTalon (America land of the enslaved...)
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To: dr_who

You know, coming from a military family, I don’t know how this -expletive- myth got started. Way back in the 1950’s we knew they were going broke. Ike, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Carter, et al, all knew it right down to Reagan. Heck the biggest confirmation came when Nixon and Brehznev? Kruschev? met for some show in Moscow detailing the “great advancements” the Soviets claimed to have made overall and Nixon saw the cracks.

This deification of Reagan as the “commie buster” and holiest of all conservatives is counter-productive. Reagan is the idiot that helped the most to whore out conservatism in the name of power. Newt, G.W., and McCain are just the continuation of that policy of selling the party’s soul in the name of power.

I swear, I don’t understand many “conservatives” today. Start acting like Conservatives -expetive-!


35 posted on 11/05/2008 2:52:14 AM PST by True_Teddy_Conservative (I am tired of my party being whored out in the name of power.)
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The Marxists just defunded and bankrupted America with their “Economic Pearl Harbor”. Rising oil prices leading into the election (until bubble burst), and collapse of the financial system this summer/fall were brought about by ‘overseas’ interests.


36 posted on 11/05/2008 5:09:18 AM PST by CharlotteVRWC
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To: True_Teddy_Conservative

F*ck off n00b. Go back to DU. You may have come from a military family, I served this nation with honor and distinction for 20 years and shook Reagan’s hand.

Someone please ZOT this Reagan hating Kos Troll who just signed up today and first post is one that hates Reagan.

You will find that Reagan hating is extremely unpopular around here.


37 posted on 11/05/2008 6:09:35 AM PST by FTL
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To: True_Teddy_Conservative

I disagree with you.


38 posted on 11/05/2008 9:17:22 AM PST by dr_who
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