Skip to comments.Obama wins Indiana
Posted on 11/05/2008 1:24:17 AM PST by Impy
WASHINGTON (AP) Another state that hasn't voted for a Democrat for president in quite a while has done so this time.
The last time Indiana voted for a Democrat for president was when Lyndon Johnson was elected in 1964.
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For land sakes it went for Dole.
Speak Indiana Freepers what went wrong? Was it just the Obama ad blitz?
Obviously Evan Bayh would have put this in the bag for him.
PEOPLE ‘MOVING IN’ TO THE STATE JUST TO VOTE?
WE WONT FIX THIS MESS TILL WE GET RID OF THE DEM SECRETARY OF STATES AND AGs
Obama has literally bought his way into the Presidency and cheated with the help of ACORN.
I'm calling it a subverted coup.
“WE WONT FIX THIS MESS TILL WE GET RID OF THE DEM SECRETARY OF STATES AND AGs”
Both are R in Indiana.
Lake County was obviously huge for Obama, plus Indiana still has a strong union presence. Mainly, I think McCain took us for granted. Palin was here 3 times, and McCain waited until the day before the election to come here. I don’t know who put the idea in his head to spend so much time in PA. when he should have been making sure his core base of states was locked up. Indiana is NOT a blue state, they reelected Mitch Daniels by a huge margin. Unfortunately, they bought into the slickest marketing campaign ever conceived.
Good but it’s not just Indiana i’m talkin about...Ohio’s Brnner needs to be replaced immediately.
We also need the Rs to be more aggressive
Illinois is next to Indiana, and Gary is basically a Chicago suburb. Gary was probably asleep for Kerry, but turned on the fraud machine full tilt for 0.
Obama literally spent and campaigned the state into submission.
McCain had more or less ignored IN until it was too late.
Fraud is a factor where the margin is thin but Obama did not steal this election, he won because people are stupid. Even if fraud put him over the top in Indiana he still obviously close.
you guys allowed yourselves to be bought. sad.
“We also need the Rs to be more aggressive”
some stuff i noticed. In 2004 18-29 was 14% and went 52-47 for Bush. Last night it was 19% and went 63-35 for Obama.
Bush won whites 65-34, McCain won then 54-45. I have no idea how to explain a 20 pt shift in the white vote of a state that has been rock solid GOP for 50 years and even voted against FDR for god’s sake. It doesn’t really make any sense.
White women in particular went from +31 for Bush to only +3 for McCain. Again, hard to really figure.
(5 said they decided yesterday and went 50-46 for Obama. In a 20K win, that’s a big deal, although in 2004 late deciders went 56-38 for Kerry so who knows?
In 2004 terrorism beat the economy 19-17 as top issue with 24% saying moral values. Yesterday the economy beat terrorism 60-8 with 0% saying moral values.
The GOP went from +14 party ID edge to +5. Bush won them 95-5, McCain 86-13.
Both won conservatives by the same amount, but conservatives went from 42 to 36% while liberals grew from 14-20%.
Bush’s approval went from 61-35 for to 32-67 against.
Obama blanketed the state with ads and outspent McCain hugely, and also had a 100% developed organiztaion from the primnary in May where the GOP hasn’t seriously competed in IN ever.
Add it all up, and we are where we are
the whole country...
we couldn’t accept the idea that people would actually vote for Obama. Couldn’t accept the polls and intrade.
Yup, but those polls were still bogus to a certain degree.
Rasmussen was right, but many of the others greatly inflated 0bama’s numbers.
I’m sorry, what can a little guy like me say? I did my civic duty, I had a blast too. But you know what you guys, when the chips come down I’m quite confident that VOTER FRAUD will be the last thing anyone in the media shines a light on. Indiana, as well as the other 57, thanks for notihing...
wasn’t there an email circulating that Gary,In would give whatever votes were needed to elect hussein.....I guess when they study this election, they can check all the counties and see if thats’ true....
Some of the national polls were off (Gallup, Zogby), but some were dead on (Battleground, Hotline, Rasmussen). It's true, though, that there was a general refusal around here to believe that McCain was ever really behind. People can remain confident and committed to winning without slipping into delusions.
I have no idea what happened. I felt like turnout was high for the red. This just doesn’t seem right. I think this election had high turnout for blue and was also stolen with Acorn votes.
It was ACORN! Then the regular media in my city would put on a little snippet then told what the candidate said were talking maybe 30 sec. most. Oh and everyday it was the bad economy this and fore closers that it was the same drumbeat everyday. the stock market. I don’t know about your news media in your town but ours here only has 9 minutes of news the its the weather sports and public Blah Blah. Nothing of substance for an 1 hour and 1/2. that is why I watch Fox news or i go to the internet. I want substance. McCain was battling the MSM constant drumbeat for OBAMA 24 7. It is pretty hard to beat that.
Ha, Obama is the “red”.
there is no other way to explain it....
Thanks for the numbers.
Terrible numbers. Did Don Draper run Obama’s Indiana campaign?
well if activists believed the polls, they would certainly not work to help McCain. It would be a self fulfilling prophecy. It is up to Mccain and his top guys to deal with the political reality.
That is a simple question to answer, and one I had posted a couple of months back when I said Obama stood a firm chance.
The reason is this: we at FR are a very homogenous set. Sure, we are from all sorts of geographic, ethnic, income and other backgrounds, but we share some very common denominators that have pulled us to this site. Anyone who belongs to a political site, be it Conservative, Liberal, or other, does so because they share certain aspects and attributes with other members of that site. Hence we are, essentially, a close-loop system. We see what we see because that is all that we see.
I remember bringing it up months back when someone mentioned that ALL HIS FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS were strongly pro-McCain, and he couldn't see where Obama's support could come from. That was easy to answer ....your friends and living area generally tends to reflect your own personal belief-sets. Thus, obviously, you are not going to come across a Chavez lover or a sheep-molester or any such type of outliers. I also used a simple example ...the Republican candidate nominations. Virtually no one on FreeRepublic supported McCain's candidacy during the primaries, but he still ended up winning. All 'our candidates' were taken out one by one, which indicated a simple thing ...we were not even in the mainstream of the GOP! If that was the case, then it was evident that we ran serious risks in a general election, if the candidates that best held our views couldn't be elected in our own party nominations.
Anyways, what's done is done. The steps forward are simple ...let this be the last election whereby we try and put forth the 'less of two evils.' Doing so will just lead to more defeat. We need to put forth strong conservatives who have the ability to make contact with the voting public (McCain could put a caffeine addict to sleep, let's be honest). Someone who has the vigor to stand up for what he/she believes in (e.g., not ignoring PERFECT target areas like Ayers and ACORN). Someone who does not pander to every available direction (e.g. the whole immigration amnesty mess, the financial bailout, etc).
That is the only thing that can help us going forward. PArticularly when it is obvoius that at best the country is split 50/50. People keep saying the US is a center-right country, however for the last several elections it seems that the margin squeeze is basically split across the middle (and with a slight shunt to the left).
Anyways, the only way to win is to stop electing RINOs and put real conservatives who can win. After all, why would a 29 year old vote for a RINO when they can get the real thing?
What happened in Allen County Indiana? Marion County? Green County?
Indiana was a Republican stronghold from the Whitcomb Administration through Governor Robert D. Orr, may he rest in peace.
Another consideration is the huge influx of Hispanics into Indiana.
Same things that went wrong nationally -
ACORN was only the tip of the iceberg...
MAINLY MSM and SHEEPLE mixed w/corruption, fraud, and heavy kool-aid addiction. Plus - even though it’s been building over the last 4 elections - worldwide socialist influence and bribery.
And basically that's this election in a nutshell. A great apostasy of "moral values" voters who became more afraid of losing their money than losing their souls.
Please. We lost because Republicans stopped being worthy of the win. When you have to nominate an extremist like Palin to the ticket for “shoring up the base”, well, it shows how far we’ve drifted.
We’re conservative, but we’ve let people change what conservative really means. We’ve lost because we let it change in the name power with Reagan. Had we been just a little more patient, we’d have gotten power back with a landslide. Because we got greedy and desperate, we sold our souls to extremists and destroyed the party.
Palin was the only reason people voted for McCain.
I think part of it was the ground game on election day. I am willing to bet that 95% of Democrat homes in the state were visited and offered rides yesterday.
We bought our home from registered Democrats who didn’t update the voter rolls, and we had someone stop by twice to make sure they voted. They came to the door to ask specifically for them, not to simply make sure the adults in the home had already voted.
I think the big thing to work at is the ground game for 435 representatives and 100 senators. We need good strong candidates in every district, including RINO districts. Obama will overreach and if we let the anger motivate us to something useful, we can change face of the legislature in 2 years. This is not a time to retreat because the pendulum will definitely swing back.
I think a disgust with who is in office is the strongest motivator in politics. Bush had near universal scorn and Obama used it to rally the base and to pull in the undecided voters. Let’s return the favor in two years.
ACORN added enough voters to the roles to push Obama over, illegal early voting sites, large welfare crowd that wants their money from the bad rich people, a failed Bush second term, large amount of cash and time spent by the Dems.
Shall I go on?
One additional point: Indiana is touted as having one of the most stringent voter id laws, but it’s a joke.
We walk into the room and simply show id at the first table. Then we put our id away, walk to another part of the room, and sign the voter registration rolls. There seems to be no provision in the law that matches the id to the voter roll to the person actually voting.
No, Palin was the reason a lot of people voted for Obama. She was NOT the right choice for VP. She was supported by strong conservatives, but face it, most of Americans are NOT strong conservatives. I had the honor to talk for a while with Kay Bailey Hutchinson a few weeks ago. I told her that McCain made the wrong choice if he wanted a woman for his VP. She just said, “yeah, things happen”. I know several Dems and even a couple of Reps that were scared to death of Palin becoming President in the next couple of years. They told me they did not really like Obama and they would have voted for McCain if he would have had a more experienced VP pick.
I remained confident that the spread was only a few points. But coming into this past weekend, I was getting extremely nervous that it was still a couple of points. I knew Obama would take the popular vote, but I was still hopeful for an EV win.
Americans have a real logic deficit.
Indiana Freeper here. Karl Rove said it hours before the polls closed. Lake County would just hold their ballots and at the end put in enough for Obumscum to win. They did.
Please come down from the tree you’ve been living in. Palin is the only reason McCain got as many votes as he did. Moderates like yourself are just gutless.
They told me they did not really like Obama and they would have voted for McCain if he would have had a more experienced VP pick.
143 days in the Senate were more appealing? Are you freakin’ serious? Please this is utter nonsense. How anyone could sell out their principals on media fabrication is bullshit. The RINOS like you can leave once and for all. Enjoy your 20 years of Osama.
I think it came down to resources. 0bama campaigned here a lot; he had a strong organization and his ads saturated the media. McCain barely had a presence. I live in Hamilton County, very conservative and very republican. 0bama signs were everywhere. His organization contacted people who had voted democrat in the primaries and put signs in their yards. 0bama’s organization did this because they could; they had the money to spend on it.
To some extent, I think McCain didn’t have the resources to match 0bama. The huge differential in campaign funds available made all the difference in outcome.
Political offices are a commodity; you get as many as you can afford.
I’d like to know what, exactly, is “extremist” about Sarah Palin.
People showed up to vote whom we’ve never seen before because they never bothered to get out and do it. One neighbor had not voted for 20 years. Obama motivated them.
Also, I heard at one point that ACORN had registered 105 percent of the Indianapolis population.
This is the story in Indiana -
Mitch Daniels won by 500,000 votes.
McCain lost by 23,000 votes.
Republicans who split the tickets killed us.
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Palin is an extremist? Wanting to actually give birth to babies rather than abort them is extremist? F*** off troll. I see you signed up today.
Republicans who split the tickets killed us.
In addition to all the other reasons mentioned, Indiana is NOTORIOUS in splitting ballots. While that in itself in not necessarily bad, the political contrast between Hussein and Mitch Daniels is 180 degrees. With that, Indiana voters should be laughed at.
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