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Obama wins Indiana
AP ^ | 11-05-08 | AP

Posted on 11/05/2008 1:24:17 AM PST by Impy

WASHINGTON (AP) — Another state that hasn't voted for a Democrat for president in quite a while has done so this time.

The last time Indiana voted for a Democrat for president was when Lyndon Johnson was elected in 1964.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: bho2008; in2008; indiana; justdamn; mccain; swingstates
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58% for Bush in '04. I don't know what to say. By far the biggest shift in any Obama pickup state.

For land sakes it went for Dole.

Speak Indiana Freepers what went wrong? Was it just the Obama ad blitz?

1 posted on 11/05/2008 1:24:17 AM PST by Impy
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To: Clintonfatigued

Obviously Evan Bayh would have put this in the bag for him.


2 posted on 11/05/2008 1:24:59 AM PST by Impy (Welcome to the USSA)
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To: Impy

ACORN?

PEOPLE ‘MOVING IN’ TO THE STATE JUST TO VOTE?

WE WONT FIX THIS MESS TILL WE GET RID OF THE DEM SECRETARY OF STATES AND AGs


3 posted on 11/05/2008 1:25:35 AM PST by Def Conservative (Don't let the MSM turn Obama into the next JFK...start destroying his legacy NOW!)
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To: Impy
Obviously Evan Bayh would have put this in the bag for him.

Evan was in the senate in 2004 though. Indiana, good grief.
4 posted on 11/05/2008 1:29:39 AM PST by Bush Revolution (I'm ready to fight, no more wishy washy...It's time to rebuild our party...Jindal 2012)
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To: Impy
FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD.

Obama has literally bought his way into the Presidency and cheated with the help of ACORN.

I'm calling it a subverted coup.

5 posted on 11/05/2008 1:29:48 AM PST by Centurion2000 (To protect and defend ... against all enemies, foreign and domestic .... by any means necessary.)
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To: Def Conservative

“WE WONT FIX THIS MESS TILL WE GET RID OF THE DEM SECRETARY OF STATES AND AGs”

Both are R in Indiana.


6 posted on 11/05/2008 1:30:12 AM PST by Impy (Welcome to the USSA)
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To: Impy

Lake County was obviously huge for Obama, plus Indiana still has a strong union presence. Mainly, I think McCain took us for granted. Palin was here 3 times, and McCain waited until the day before the election to come here. I don’t know who put the idea in his head to spend so much time in PA. when he should have been making sure his core base of states was locked up. Indiana is NOT a blue state, they reelected Mitch Daniels by a huge margin. Unfortunately, they bought into the slickest marketing campaign ever conceived.


7 posted on 11/05/2008 1:30:33 AM PST by indiana_gop (Barack Obama-the best President George Soros could buy.)
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To: Impy

Good but it’s not just Indiana i’m talkin about...Ohio’s Brnner needs to be replaced immediately.

We also need the Rs to be more aggressive


8 posted on 11/05/2008 1:31:22 AM PST by Def Conservative (Don't let the MSM turn Obama into the next JFK...start destroying his legacy NOW!)
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To: Impy

Illinois is next to Indiana, and Gary is basically a Chicago suburb. Gary was probably asleep for Kerry, but turned on the fraud machine full tilt for 0.

Obama literally spent and campaigned the state into submission.

McCain had more or less ignored IN until it was too late.


9 posted on 11/05/2008 1:32:41 AM PST by Chet 99
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To: Centurion2000

Fraud is a factor where the margin is thin but Obama did not steal this election, he won because people are stupid. Even if fraud put him over the top in Indiana he still obviously close.


10 posted on 11/05/2008 1:33:27 AM PST by Impy (Welcome to the USSA)
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To: indiana_gop

you guys allowed yourselves to be bought. sad.


11 posted on 11/05/2008 1:33:29 AM PST by Chet 99
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To: Def Conservative

“We also need the Rs to be more aggressive”

No shite!


12 posted on 11/05/2008 1:34:20 AM PST by Impy (Welcome to the USSA)
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To: Impy

some stuff i noticed. In 2004 18-29 was 14% and went 52-47 for Bush. Last night it was 19% and went 63-35 for Obama.

Bush won whites 65-34, McCain won then 54-45. I have no idea how to explain a 20 pt shift in the white vote of a state that has been rock solid GOP for 50 years and even voted against FDR for god’s sake. It doesn’t really make any sense.

White women in particular went from +31 for Bush to only +3 for McCain. Again, hard to really figure.

(5 said they decided yesterday and went 50-46 for Obama. In a 20K win, that’s a big deal, although in 2004 late deciders went 56-38 for Kerry so who knows?

In 2004 terrorism beat the economy 19-17 as top issue with 24% saying moral values. Yesterday the economy beat terrorism 60-8 with 0% saying moral values.

The GOP went from +14 party ID edge to +5. Bush won them 95-5, McCain 86-13.

Both won conservatives by the same amount, but conservatives went from 42 to 36% while liberals grew from 14-20%.

Bush’s approval went from 61-35 for to 32-67 against.

Obama blanketed the state with ads and outspent McCain hugely, and also had a 100% developed organiztaion from the primnary in May where the GOP hasn’t seriously competed in IN ever.

Add it all up, and we are where we are


13 posted on 11/05/2008 1:39:22 AM PST by jeltz25
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To: Chet 99

the whole country...
we couldn’t accept the idea that people would actually vote for Obama. Couldn’t accept the polls and intrade.


14 posted on 11/05/2008 1:40:14 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: ari-freedom

Yup, but those polls were still bogus to a certain degree.

Rasmussen was right, but many of the others greatly inflated 0bama’s numbers.


15 posted on 11/05/2008 1:44:38 AM PST by Chet 99
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To: Impy

I’m sorry, what can a little guy like me say? I did my civic duty, I had a blast too. But you know what you guys, when the chips come down I’m quite confident that VOTER FRAUD will be the last thing anyone in the media shines a light on. Indiana, as well as the other 57, thanks for notihing...


16 posted on 11/05/2008 1:51:09 AM PST by ChetNavVet (Build It, and they won't come!)
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To: Def Conservative

wasn’t there an email circulating that Gary,In would give whatever votes were needed to elect hussein.....I guess when they study this election, they can check all the counties and see if thats’ true....


17 posted on 11/05/2008 1:54:14 AM PST by cherry
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To: ari-freedom
Couldn’t accept the polls and intrade.

Some of the national polls were off (Gallup, Zogby), but some were dead on (Battleground, Hotline, Rasmussen). It's true, though, that there was a general refusal around here to believe that McCain was ever really behind. People can remain confident and committed to winning without slipping into delusions.

18 posted on 11/05/2008 1:54:39 AM PST by BearArms (Arm yourself because no one else here will save you)
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To: Impy

I have no idea what happened. I felt like turnout was high for the red. This just doesn’t seem right. I think this election had high turnout for blue and was also stolen with Acorn votes.


19 posted on 11/05/2008 1:55:40 AM PST by CommieCutter (voted 6:45 am Johnson County, Indiana)
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To: Impy

It was ACORN! Then the regular media in my city would put on a little snippet then told what the candidate said were talking maybe 30 sec. most. Oh and everyday it was the bad economy this and fore closers that it was the same drumbeat everyday. the stock market. I don’t know about your news media in your town but ours here only has 9 minutes of news the its the weather sports and public Blah Blah. Nothing of substance for an 1 hour and 1/2. that is why I watch Fox news or i go to the internet. I want substance. McCain was battling the MSM constant drumbeat for OBAMA 24 7. It is pretty hard to beat that.


20 posted on 11/05/2008 1:56:22 AM PST by tallyhoe
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To: CommieCutter

Ha, Obama is the “red”.


21 posted on 11/05/2008 1:57:13 AM PST by Impy (Welcome to the USSA)
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To: jeltz25
is the fraud even more insidious than we know?...could the actual number of votes be changed, just a little here and there, to make a big difference?....

there is no other way to explain it....

22 posted on 11/05/2008 1:57:19 AM PST by cherry
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To: jeltz25

Thanks for the numbers.

Terrible numbers. Did Don Draper run Obama’s Indiana campaign?


23 posted on 11/05/2008 1:58:19 AM PST by Impy (Welcome to the USSA)
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To: BearArms

well if activists believed the polls, they would certainly not work to help McCain. It would be a self fulfilling prophecy. It is up to Mccain and his top guys to deal with the political reality.


24 posted on 11/05/2008 2:00:32 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: jeltz25
some stuff i noticed. In 2004 18-29 was 14% and went 52-47 for Bush. Last night it was 19% and went 63-35 for Obama. Bush won whites 65-34, McCain won then 54-45. I have no idea how to explain a 20 pt shift in the white vote of a state that has been rock solid GOP for 50 years and even voted against FDR for god’s sake. It doesn’t really make any sense. White women in particular went from +31 for Bush to only +3 for McCain. Again, hard to really figure. (5 said they decided yesterday and went 50-46 for Obama. In a 20K win, that’s a big deal, although in 2004 late deciders went 56-38 for Kerry so who knows? In 2004 terrorism beat the economy 19-17 as top issue with 24% saying moral values. Yesterday the economy beat terrorism 60-8 with 0% saying moral values. The GOP went from +14 party ID edge to +5. Bush won them 95-5, McCain 86-13. Both won conservatives by the same amount, but conservatives went from 42 to 36% while liberals grew from 14-20%. Bush’s approval went from 61-35 for to 32-67 against. Obama blanketed the state with ads and outspent McCain hugely, and also had a 100% developed organiztaion from the primnary in May where the GOP hasn’t seriously competed in IN ever. Add it all up, and we are where we are

That is a simple question to answer, and one I had posted a couple of months back when I said Obama stood a firm chance.

The reason is this: we at FR are a very homogenous set. Sure, we are from all sorts of geographic, ethnic, income and other backgrounds, but we share some very common denominators that have pulled us to this site. Anyone who belongs to a political site, be it Conservative, Liberal, or other, does so because they share certain aspects and attributes with other members of that site. Hence we are, essentially, a close-loop system. We see what we see because that is all that we see.

I remember bringing it up months back when someone mentioned that ALL HIS FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS were strongly pro-McCain, and he couldn't see where Obama's support could come from. That was easy to answer ....your friends and living area generally tends to reflect your own personal belief-sets. Thus, obviously, you are not going to come across a Chavez lover or a sheep-molester or any such type of outliers. I also used a simple example ...the Republican candidate nominations. Virtually no one on FreeRepublic supported McCain's candidacy during the primaries, but he still ended up winning. All 'our candidates' were taken out one by one, which indicated a simple thing ...we were not even in the mainstream of the GOP! If that was the case, then it was evident that we ran serious risks in a general election, if the candidates that best held our views couldn't be elected in our own party nominations.

Anyways, what's done is done. The steps forward are simple ...let this be the last election whereby we try and put forth the 'less of two evils.' Doing so will just lead to more defeat. We need to put forth strong conservatives who have the ability to make contact with the voting public (McCain could put a caffeine addict to sleep, let's be honest). Someone who has the vigor to stand up for what he/she believes in (e.g., not ignoring PERFECT target areas like Ayers and ACORN). Someone who does not pander to every available direction (e.g. the whole immigration amnesty mess, the financial bailout, etc).

That is the only thing that can help us going forward. PArticularly when it is obvoius that at best the country is split 50/50. People keep saying the US is a center-right country, however for the last several elections it seems that the margin squeeze is basically split across the middle (and with a slight shunt to the left).

Anyways, the only way to win is to stop electing RINOs and put real conservatives who can win. After all, why would a 29 year old vote for a RINO when they can get the real thing?

25 posted on 11/05/2008 2:00:54 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Impy
Quite frankly... I think all north of Kentucky is lost forever. I see two Americas... the United Socialist States of America and the United States of America... it is coming.

LLS

26 posted on 11/05/2008 2:02:42 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (GOD, Country, Family... except when it comes to dims!)
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To: spetznaz
...let this be the last election whereby we try and put forth the 'less of two evils

AMEN!!! But who is that candidate?
27 posted on 11/05/2008 2:07:58 AM PST by indiana_gop (Barack Obama-the best President George Soros could buy.)
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To: Impy
What happened in Allen County Indiana? Marion County? Green County?

Indiana was a Republican stronghold from the Whitcomb Administration through Governor Robert D. Orr, may he rest in peace.


28 posted on 11/05/2008 2:15:57 AM PST by bd476
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To: Impy

Another consideration is the huge influx of Hispanics into Indiana.


29 posted on 11/05/2008 2:19:05 AM PST by indiana_gop (Barack Obama-the best President George Soros could buy.)
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To: indiana_gop

Same things that went wrong nationally -

ACORN was only the tip of the iceberg...

MAINLY MSM and SHEEPLE mixed w/corruption, fraud, and heavy kool-aid addiction. Plus - even though it’s been building over the last 4 elections - worldwide socialist influence and bribery.


30 posted on 11/05/2008 2:32:47 AM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: jeltz25
In 2004 terrorism beat the economy 19-17 as top issue with 24% saying moral values. Yesterday the economy beat terrorism 60-8 with 0% saying moral values.

And basically that's this election in a nutshell. A great apostasy of "moral values" voters who became more afraid of losing their money than losing their souls.

31 posted on 11/05/2008 2:38:49 AM PST by cmj328
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To: Centurion2000

Please. We lost because Republicans stopped being worthy of the win. When you have to nominate an extremist like Palin to the ticket for “shoring up the base”, well, it shows how far we’ve drifted.

We’re conservative, but we’ve let people change what conservative really means. We’ve lost because we let it change in the name power with Reagan. Had we been just a little more patient, we’d have gotten power back with a landslide. Because we got greedy and desperate, we sold our souls to extremists and destroyed the party.


32 posted on 11/05/2008 2:52:13 AM PST by True_Teddy_Conservative (I am tired of my party being whored out in the name of power.)
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To: True_Teddy_Conservative

Palin was the only reason people voted for McCain.


33 posted on 11/05/2008 3:05:16 AM PST by CommieCutter (voted 6:45 am Johnson County, Indiana)
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To: Impy

I think part of it was the ground game on election day. I am willing to bet that 95% of Democrat homes in the state were visited and offered rides yesterday.

We bought our home from registered Democrats who didn’t update the voter rolls, and we had someone stop by twice to make sure they voted. They came to the door to ask specifically for them, not to simply make sure the adults in the home had already voted.

I think the big thing to work at is the ground game for 435 representatives and 100 senators. We need good strong candidates in every district, including RINO districts. Obama will overreach and if we let the anger motivate us to something useful, we can change face of the legislature in 2 years. This is not a time to retreat because the pendulum will definitely swing back.

I think a disgust with who is in office is the strongest motivator in politics. Bush had near universal scorn and Obama used it to rally the base and to pull in the undecided voters. Let’s return the favor in two years.


34 posted on 11/05/2008 3:05:38 AM PST by mongrel
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To: Impy
Speak Indiana Freepers what went wrong?

ACORN added enough voters to the roles to push Obama over, illegal early voting sites, large welfare crowd that wants their money from the bad rich people, a failed Bush second term, large amount of cash and time spent by the Dems.

Shall I go on?

35 posted on 11/05/2008 3:50:54 AM PST by southlake_hoosier (.... One Nation, Under God.......)
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To: Impy

One additional point: Indiana is touted as having one of the most stringent voter id laws, but it’s a joke.

We walk into the room and simply show id at the first table. Then we put our id away, walk to another part of the room, and sign the voter registration rolls. There seems to be no provision in the law that matches the id to the voter roll to the person actually voting.


36 posted on 11/05/2008 3:54:45 AM PST by mongrel
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To: CommieCutter

No, Palin was the reason a lot of people voted for Obama. She was NOT the right choice for VP. She was supported by strong conservatives, but face it, most of Americans are NOT strong conservatives. I had the honor to talk for a while with Kay Bailey Hutchinson a few weeks ago. I told her that McCain made the wrong choice if he wanted a woman for his VP. She just said, “yeah, things happen”. I know several Dems and even a couple of Reps that were scared to death of Palin becoming President in the next couple of years. They told me they did not really like Obama and they would have voted for McCain if he would have had a more experienced VP pick.


37 posted on 11/05/2008 4:05:49 AM PST by AUH2O Repub (Should have been Thompson/Hutchinson)
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To: BearArms

I remained confident that the spread was only a few points. But coming into this past weekend, I was getting extremely nervous that it was still a couple of points. I knew Obama would take the popular vote, but I was still hopeful for an EV win.


38 posted on 11/05/2008 4:06:14 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (Teachers open the door. It's up to you to enter. Before the late bell. When I close the door.)
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To: AUH2O Repub
Why weren't they just as scared of Obama? Because he was affirmative actioned all the way to Harvard and made editor of Harvard Law Review?

Americans have a real logic deficit.

39 posted on 11/05/2008 4:08:34 AM PST by HighFlier
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To: Impy
Speak Indiana Freepers what went wrong? Was it just the Obama ad blitz?

Indiana Freeper here. Karl Rove said it hours before the polls closed. Lake County would just hold their ballots and at the end put in enough for Obumscum to win. They did.

40 posted on 11/05/2008 4:15:53 AM PST by Misschuck
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To: True_Teddy_Conservative

Please come down from the tree you’ve been living in. Palin is the only reason McCain got as many votes as he did. Moderates like yourself are just gutless.


41 posted on 11/05/2008 4:19:24 AM PST by boop (Democracy is the theory that the people get the government they deserve, good and hard.)
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To: AUH2O Repub

They told me they did not really like Obama and they would have voted for McCain if he would have had a more experienced VP pick.


143 days in the Senate were more appealing? Are you freakin’ serious? Please this is utter nonsense. How anyone could sell out their principals on media fabrication is bullshit. The RINOS like you can leave once and for all. Enjoy your 20 years of Osama.


42 posted on 11/05/2008 4:19:41 AM PST by CommieCutter (voted 6:45 am Johnson County, Indiana)
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To: indiana_gop

I think it came down to resources. 0bama campaigned here a lot; he had a strong organization and his ads saturated the media. McCain barely had a presence. I live in Hamilton County, very conservative and very republican. 0bama signs were everywhere. His organization contacted people who had voted democrat in the primaries and put signs in their yards. 0bama’s organization did this because they could; they had the money to spend on it.

To some extent, I think McCain didn’t have the resources to match 0bama. The huge differential in campaign funds available made all the difference in outcome.

Political offices are a commodity; you get as many as you can afford.


43 posted on 11/05/2008 4:27:07 AM PST by henkster (Lawyers will lead the Marxist revolution, armed with subpoenas...)
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To: True_Teddy_Conservative

I’d like to know what, exactly, is “extremist” about Sarah Palin.


44 posted on 11/05/2008 4:31:33 AM PST by henkster (Lawyers will lead the Marxist revolution, armed with subpoenas...)
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To: Impy

People showed up to vote whom we’ve never seen before because they never bothered to get out and do it. One neighbor had not voted for 20 years. Obama motivated them.

Also, I heard at one point that ACORN had registered 105 percent of the Indianapolis population.

Just sayin’.


45 posted on 11/05/2008 4:47:23 AM PST by Cloverfarm (Children are a blessing ...)
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To: True_Teddy_Conservative
You signed up today to say this - When you have to nominate an extremist like Palin to the ticket for “shoring up the base”, well, it shows how far we’ve drifted.

I call foul. Gov. Palin is an extremist, like you're a conservative.
46 posted on 11/05/2008 4:54:20 AM PST by Girlene (Wolverines!)
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To: Cloverfarm; All

This is the story in Indiana -

Mitch Daniels won by 500,000 votes.

McCain lost by 23,000 votes.

Republicans who split the tickets killed us.


47 posted on 11/05/2008 4:54:40 AM PST by Nihil Obstat
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To: True_Teddy_Conservative
True_Teddy_Conservative

Since Nov 5, 2008

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Welcome to Free Republic.

48 posted on 11/05/2008 4:56:00 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: True_Teddy_Conservative; Admin Moderator
When you have to nominate an extremist like Palin to the ticket for “shoring up the base”

Palin is an extremist? Wanting to actually give birth to babies rather than abort them is extremist? F*** off troll. I see you signed up today.

49 posted on 11/05/2008 5:04:58 AM PST by library user
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To: Nihil Obstat

Republicans who split the tickets killed us.
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In addition to all the other reasons mentioned, Indiana is NOTORIOUS in splitting ballots. While that in itself in not necessarily bad, the political contrast between Hussein and Mitch Daniels is 180 degrees. With that, Indiana voters should be laughed at.


50 posted on 11/05/2008 5:07:57 AM PST by TMA62 (TMA62)
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