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Fight for GOP’s identity begins
The Hill ^ | 05 Nov 2008 | Manu Raju

Posted on 11/05/2008 8:30:36 AM PST by BGHater

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1 posted on 11/05/2008 8:30:36 AM PST by BGHater
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To: BGHater

Just in from a friend in England. To me, it makes a lot of sense:

An excellent response to the several points made on that website and thanks very much for sight of it. My view has also been for some time time now that the Republicans have failed to modernise their responses to various issues and, much as I’d have voted for Mr McCain, it was sadly clear how he had nothing much to say about economic issues et al. I felt his campaign hit the slides when the worldwide financial crisis came and, quite frankly, whilst I agree with most of what Sarah Palin says, she came over as a fish out of water on this side of the of the pond and a dangerous “finger on the button”. Add the plainly toxic effect that the Bush administration seems to have had on the country and here was an almost certain recipe for conservative political disaster at the polls.

As regards religion, I have none whatsoever but respect the views of those who do providing they respect mine. In short, I think the Republican party as a whole needs to take stock, ditch trying to impose their idiot moralistic ideals on everyone and get down to the serious business of sane economics, law and order and a less intrusive foreign policy. The America of today is nowhere near as conservative as it was when I first went to your country some 42 years ago but, after 4 years of Obama raising taxes and the cost of living to what I think may be an unprecedented level, the Republicans need to be ready in advancing their true cause of conservative finances/law and order which, at such a time, may well garner immense support that we would find difficult to believe possible today.

There is almost a parallel here between our Conservative Party and The Republicans - ours have had to adjust which is why they now stand a pretty good chance of succeeding at the next election. Much as I would wish for some more right wing policies from David Cameron and his bunch, I’d sure settle for them as they are in total preference to New Labour masquerading as pro capitalist.

Done - let me know if you think I am anywhere near?!!


2 posted on 11/05/2008 8:34:08 AM PST by WellyP
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To: BGHater

I wish Pawlenty would gto away


3 posted on 11/05/2008 8:36:04 AM PST by Def Conservative (Don't let the MSM turn Obama into the next JFK...start destroying his legacy NOW!)
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To: BGHater

“Side with more groups”?
Like NARAL? ACORN? AARP? CP-USA?
Conservatives are in for the fight of our lives, for the soul of the party. If Pawlenty gets his way, we’ll be a minority party until 2100.


4 posted on 11/05/2008 8:36:37 AM PST by steve8714 (Keep your hands off my thermostat!)
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To: BGHater

The GOP can start by kicking each other in the nuts. That should focus their minds on the job


5 posted on 11/05/2008 8:37:23 AM PST by neuroskeptic
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To: WellyP
BS... Palin was the only reason we kept enough in the Senate to block assured communism... and McCain lost for the same reasons Conservatives were against him in the primaries... he is a liberal.

LLS

6 posted on 11/05/2008 8:42:17 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (GOD, Country, Family... except when it comes to dims!)
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To: BGHater

Neo-Ciceronian is where it’s at!

Seriously though, it’ll be nice just having the twin albatrosses of George Bush and John McCain released from around our necks.


7 posted on 11/05/2008 8:42:40 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Nihil utile nisi quod honestum - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: BGHater

In the Senate the fillibuster should be used selectively.

Filibuster anything that stifles individual rights, such as the Fairness Doctrine. Filibuster anything that promotes democrat funding of their core groups, like ACORN.

All other tax/spending plans, let it happen. Vote against it, but don’t stand in the way. Why allow this misery to happen? Because misery is going to happen anyway. If we filibuster the economic measures, we get blamed for the misery. If the measures pass, we can claim we opposed them and hang the blame on the party in power. With the msm carrying the water for the dems, we won’t win the propaganda battle on the economic front. Let it happen and in two years or four years let the people decide whose to blame.

That’s my take.


8 posted on 11/05/2008 8:43:55 AM PST by henkster (Lawyers will lead the Marxist revolution, armed with subpoenas...)
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To: neuroskeptic
>The GOP can start by kicking each other in the nuts

We've been doing that
the last three or four years now.
That's what caused this mess!

9 posted on 11/05/2008 8:44:53 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: BGHater

Duncan Hunter isn’t doing anything now. (Thank God his son got his seat) He could return to Washington and run a conservative boot camp and help the GOP find thier stones again.


10 posted on 11/05/2008 8:47:51 AM PST by cripplecreek (Paying taxes for bank bailouts is apparently the patriotic thing to do. [/sarc])
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To: WellyP

I think after the leadership of the GOP shake out, we have to decide if we are republicans or not. I think that most of the people on this board are not true republicans. Especially not the kind of republican that has dominated our political leadership these last 10 years. Maybe it is time for a seismic shift to a third party. It may take a while but it may also be what is best for this Country. I for one am going to look at alternative parties and figure out if I really want to be a republican anymore.

There are some great conservative people in the republican ranks but they are outnumbered by this kind of republican-lite group that panders to socially liberal groups. I guess they think that they can poach liberal votes but it does not and has not worked.

Maybe if a large number of conservatives (socially and economically) shift away, the GOP will figure out where they need to make their stand. I am beginning to believe that there is no “center” in this country. Politicians that consider themselves “centrist” are either socially or economically liberal. That type of appeasement politician is not good for either side. Especially ours.


11 posted on 11/05/2008 8:53:13 AM PST by sharkshooting
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To: henkster

No backbone to fillibuster based on these comments from these Senators, where is the party leader to snap some people into action


12 posted on 11/05/2008 8:53:35 AM PST by volslover
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To: BGHater

I just looked at the vote totals from 2004. Bush got 62.039 million votes, just under 900K less than Obama this year. McCain (according to Drudge) got 55 mil and change. Had we just held serve from 2004, we probably would have won.

Regardless of the rhetoric on here, on Rush, and elsewhere about Republicans turning out to vote, they didn’t. I think the is the icing on the cake that conservatives stayed home and that nominating moderate candidates (especially when followed by governing like liberals) gets us a big, fat L.

We will not win any more Presidential elections unless we nominate conservative candidates and demand they behave like conservatives in office.


13 posted on 11/05/2008 8:54:27 AM PST by 1L
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To: BGHater
NO NEW TAXES, NONE !
14 posted on 11/05/2008 8:54:56 AM PST by timestax ( CNNLIES)
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To: BGHater

Rus
dy is toooooo funny. He is one of the reasons republican’s became damaged.


15 posted on 11/05/2008 8:55:03 AM PST by stockpirate (Who wins or who loses decides the fate of our republic, slavery or freedom.)
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To: henkster
In the Senate the fillibuster should be used selectively.

Filibuster anything that stifles individual rights, such as the Fairness Doctrine. Filibuster anything that promotes democrat funding of their core groups, like ACORN.

All other tax/spending plans, let it happen. Vote against it, but don’t stand in the way. Why allow this misery to happen? Because misery is going to happen anyway. If we filibuster the economic measures, we get blamed for the misery. If the measures pass, we can claim we opposed them and hang the blame on the party in power. With the msm carrying the water for the dems, we won’t win the propaganda battle on the economic front. Let it happen and in two years or four years let the people decide whose to blame.

That’s my take.

I agree. The coming economic hurricane will bury the RATS in the next election (assuming there is another election).

16 posted on 11/05/2008 8:56:30 AM PST by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT)
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Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty (R), a potential 2012 presidential candidate, said Tuesday night that the party instead needs to reach out more to groups that have sided largely with Democrats by proposing new ideas

YES, they are called yonger voters. The GOP has forgotten about the youth. It's a party of OLD White men.

17 posted on 11/05/2008 8:57:12 AM PST by 1Old Pro (Obamarx wants Redistributive Reparations)
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To: stockpirate

Rudy is toooo funny, he is one of the reasons the republicans damaged the brand.


18 posted on 11/05/2008 8:57:12 AM PST by stockpirate (Who wins or who loses decides the fate of our republic, slavery or freedom.)
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To: WellyP

Sure, low taxes, low and balanced budget, etc.

But, I’ve got to reject any Republican party that isn’t interested in the moral issues.


19 posted on 11/05/2008 9:03:28 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: neuroskeptic

After that, Republicans need to fix their primary system so that there are no open primaries. Only Republicans should be allowed to vote in Republican primaries. And why do the most liberal states get to vote first? This is why we ended up with McCain.

If the so-called moderates think people are going to walk away from the pro-life issue, they are delusional.


20 posted on 11/05/2008 9:05:32 AM PST by Pining_4_TX
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