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Fellow Texans....Yes we can!
http://www.texassecede.com ^ | 11/05/08 | VANITY

Posted on 11/05/2008 11:13:16 AM PST by erkyl



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: constitution; secede; texas; texasourtexas
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To: erkyl

Okay...but you’d have to dump the huge areas of Dallas County and Harris County because they voted by large majorities for Obama. Haven’t checked yet, but feel sure Jefferson County (Beaumont area) and El Paso County did the same. This means we’d have to slice and dice hundreds of thousands of people and where would we put them? Re-education camps? Oops, this is beginning to sound like Obama.

Think we had better go with winning hearts and minds back to our conservative principles. Or come live in Montgomery County with several hundreds of thousands of people who are about 90% Republican. Y’all come.


51 posted on 11/05/2008 11:37:34 AM PST by Marcella (One Democrat lost, one Democrat won.)
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To: FreedomFerret

2008 / 10 /01


52 posted on 11/05/2008 11:37:48 AM PST by myself6 (.)
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To: erkyl

I support that idea but I don’t think it will happen.


53 posted on 11/05/2008 11:37:48 AM PST by FrankCastle214
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To: bestintxas

Coming to you from Houston here - we had a gathering last night - 20 or so - to watch our country go down the tubes. We joked at the end, before we bowed our heads to pray for the state of this country - that it could be the first meeting of the secession of Texas.

We have some basic infrastructure in place. Texas has it’s own electrical grid - we are joined to the rest of the country. Perhaps we could develop more of our own production and “wheel” it to the rest of the country?


54 posted on 11/05/2008 11:38:04 AM PST by KatyTexasMom
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To: housewife101; erkyl

John McCain won every county in only one state - Oklahoma. His 65.64% share of the vote is highest in the nation.


55 posted on 11/05/2008 11:38:47 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: erkyl
Pfff, people on this forum have been ridiculous. So we lost the election. All that means is that the GOP needs to get back to its conservative roots and get its act together.

People seem to forget that you need a Jimmy before you get a Ronny.

56 posted on 11/05/2008 11:40:14 AM PST by cdbull23 (What's going on in my brain? Check it out: www.cainsbrain.com)
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

Texas wouldn’t go anywhere... we refine 75% of the world’s oil. We could join OPEC and start charging Kalifornia some really outrageous prices. We would be a member of the G8 on par with France and Japan.


57 posted on 11/05/2008 11:40:33 AM PST by willyd (Tickets, fines, fees, permits and inspections are synonyms for taxes)
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To: KatyTexasMom

Texas is actually energy independent at the current time. We are a net-export state for electricity - i.e., we make more than we can use and sell it to the surrounding states.


58 posted on 11/05/2008 11:40:37 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: erkyl

“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. —That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, —That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”

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It’s not exactly an original idea! Are all we freepers invited?


59 posted on 11/05/2008 11:41:14 AM PST by hotshu (Words are good in a polite society, bullets may become necessary in an uncivil one.)
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To: MeanGreen2008

Nice photo of your flags. ... but just a reminder: nobambi said that he intends to change it because it “offends” his pals.


60 posted on 11/05/2008 11:41:55 AM PST by DDLL (DLS)
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To: cdbull23

Except this time, Obama and the Kleptocrats are going to do things like set up their “domestic civilian security force” and make dissent from the party line a hate crime.

It’s a bit harder to recover from that. Just ask the poor bastards in Poland.


61 posted on 11/05/2008 11:42:19 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Texas_shutterbug

The people of this country turned their back on that ideal and got in bed with socialism. We need to start again somewhere else.


62 posted on 11/05/2008 11:43:32 AM PST by pgkdan ("White folks greed runs a world in need," Jeremiah Wright as quoted by Barack Obama)
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To: Marcella

Meh..

They can either live in the free republic of Texas or they can leave.

Whats so hard about this for you to understand?

Winning the heats and minds of people away from the government tit is never gonna work and is a failing strategy. They need to go cold turkey.


63 posted on 11/05/2008 11:43:32 AM PST by myself6 (.)
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To: erkyl

Can Tennessee come along too?


64 posted on 11/05/2008 11:43:43 AM PST by Memphis Moe
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To: Spktyr

I wasn’t alive when Carter was voted in, but I get the feeling similar claims were made then.


65 posted on 11/05/2008 11:43:59 AM PST by cdbull23 (What's going on in my brain? Check it out: www.cainsbrain.com)
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

Start a country and invade and takeover Mexico.


66 posted on 11/05/2008 11:44:34 AM PST by Memphis Moe
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To: 2Jedismom

Let’s see... Oklahoma and Texas are geographically advantageously situated if I’m not mistaken.


67 posted on 11/05/2008 11:45:36 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, and Thuggery)
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To: erkyl

The moment Hussein and Pelosi start chucking the 2nd Ammendment, I’m joining the armed resistence.


68 posted on 11/05/2008 11:45:38 AM PST by greene66
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To: cdbull23

I thought of that too, but no, there weren’t.

The worst claim was that Carter would tank the economy (which he did) and screw the military (which he also did.)

Obama has made too many promises and is beholden to too many special interests to not implement this sort of thing.


69 posted on 11/05/2008 11:46:04 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: MrB

They have most of the dry-land oil, shale, and natural gas, yes. :D


70 posted on 11/05/2008 11:46:40 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: myself6

Once the welfare checks stop being doled out all the O voters will leave on their own.


71 posted on 11/05/2008 11:46:56 AM PST by 05 Mustang GT Rocks
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To: Marcella
This means we’d have to slice and dice hundreds of thousands of people and where would we put them? Re-education camps? Oops, this is beginning to sound like Obama.

India & Pakistan exported their malcontents to each other in 1947.

72 posted on 11/05/2008 11:47:17 AM PST by Spirochete
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To: Marcella

Unlike socialist countries like the USSA is about to become,

the Republic of Texahoma would allow emigration (exiting) at will.


73 posted on 11/05/2008 11:47:25 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, and Thuggery)
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To: Proud_texan

Most honest historians say the treaty between Texas and the US that brought Texas into the union was never ratified by the people of Texas.


74 posted on 11/05/2008 11:47:27 AM PST by Terry Mross ( It's just a matter of time before we're all 'GUILTY' of hate speech.)
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To: Spirochete

India made out far better in that trade, though.


75 posted on 11/05/2008 11:47:55 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Retired Greyhound
No you don't. Have your temper tantrum and then get over it.
Texas is part of the United States. End of story. Now start working on spreading the facts about our history and the way the country was designed to your fellow citizens. This election was the result of a malfeasance of the press and the eduction system to teach traditional values.

You want a strong America? Start working for one. You want to whine and moan? Join the Libs. It is what they offer.

76 posted on 11/05/2008 11:48:11 AM PST by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: erkyl

My husband reminded me that there are two Republics in the union: Texas and California. He thinks they both reserved the right to secede at any time... any idea if that is true? California would only secede if a miracle happened.


77 posted on 11/05/2008 11:48:31 AM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Don't blame me, I voted for John McCain and Sarah Palin.)
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To: erkyl

Take Oklahoma with you. We love Texans except for on Saturdays during the Fall.


78 posted on 11/05/2008 11:48:31 AM PST by ivoteright (Sooner born, Sooner bred)
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To: Spktyr

you misread - I said geoGRAPHically, not geoLOGically. But you know better about the latter than I do, I’m sure.

My point was, they are together.


79 posted on 11/05/2008 11:49:08 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, and Thuggery)
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To: MrB

Yep. We like to call Texas “Baja Oklahoma”...lovingly joking of course.

:-)


80 posted on 11/05/2008 11:49:14 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

“California would only secede if a miracle happened.”

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Can we kick them out?


81 posted on 11/05/2008 11:49:59 AM PST by hotshu (Words are good in a polite society, bullets may become necessary in an uncivil one.)
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To: IrishCatholic
How is this different than Susan Sarandon or Alec Baldwin saying they were leaving the country if a Republican won?

My family's been on these shores since 1652 and my ancestors have shed their blood in every war the country's had to fight. None of them died to deliver this country to communists. What's more galling is that we weren't invaded by communists...we elected communists.

I'm not upset that a democrat won the White House. I'm not upset that a black man won The White House. I'm furious that this country decided to turn our great heritage and history over to marxists. I'm furious that my grandchildren will never know what it's like to grow up in the greatest country in the world. Because that country is gone...or will be gone shortly.

82 posted on 11/05/2008 11:50:01 AM PST by pgkdan ("White folks greed runs a world in need," Jeremiah Wright as quoted by Barack Obama)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

Texas was an independent if debt ridden country, recognized by foreign powers, for 10 years prior to annexation. California was only independent for two weeks.


83 posted on 11/05/2008 11:50:14 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: IrishCatholic
Here's just a couple of reasons why I think it merits consideration:

1. We are not a Democracy, we are a Republic. We are individual states joined into a union by choice (although after the Civil War, the South rejoined the Union under threat of the bayonet). www.texassecede.com FAQs answers most of these questions, but this sums it up nicely for ALL states:

Likewise, each of the united States is “united” with the others explicitly on the principle that “governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed” and “whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends [i.e., protecting life, liberty, and property], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government” and “when a long train of abuses and usurpations...evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.”

2. Texas has a proud heritage as an independent country, has voted Republican for the past 30 years and has a strong surplus in its present government. We have plenty of natural resources, a coast for easy export/import of goods, great Republican neighbors (except for New Mexico, dog-gone it!) The vast majority of Texans want a fence on its Mexican border, oppose abortion, support the 1st and 2nd amendments and believe in limited government. *We don't even have a state income tax!* Now, our property taxes are higher than some states, but not all (many liberal states have higher property taxes and income taxes and still operate with a deficit.) Our house is in order. In other words, the vast majority of Texans believe in and support similar governmental philosophies and ideology and even where we differ on issues, we tend to be centrist, not extreme on either end. Those notable exceptions in Austin notwithstanding, Texans come together when necessary working together to better Texas.

3. Federal government usurption of our rights, property, liberties as an independent state would be an offense worth fighting against. Such violations would include any of the following, all of which Obama has proposed:
a. Fairness Doctrine (restricting free speech) - Talk radio could base all its operations here!
b. Concealed Carry ban - We currently have a state law allowing carrying a concealed weapon, which Obama has promised to change with a federal ban on carrying concealed weapons.
c. Right to life - Obama supports the Freedom of Choice Act which will undo all advancements in the past 35 years of pro-life advocates to eliminate heinous acts against the unborn, such as partial birth abortion and the Born Alive Infant Protection act. Federal intervention in a states' right to determine what it chooses to allow regarding abortions is reprehensible, and yet Obama plans to proceed.
d. Bail-outs of failed liberal states - My greatest fear, which hasn't to my knowledge been mentioned, but I suspect will be proposed, is that Obama will steal money from solvent and prosperous states and give it to those that have been poorly run by liberals that are now cash-poor, thus spreading the wealth around the states. I believe this alone would be reason to support secession of Texas.
e. Dismantling the military - Our fine men and women deserve support. Texas' budget could support a self-maintained military to protect its borders. Obama wants to dismantle the military, but I say, let's make sure terrorists NEVER attack a Texas city by protecting our Republic with a sound, solid military.
f. Lower taxes for businesses - Imagine the number of businesses that would flock to the Republic of Texas, with its lower personal taxes, and reduced corporate taxes under an Obama administration. Companies wouldn't have to leave the country to find tax relief, small businesses could find a more favorable tax structure in our wonderful state and we have LOTS of land to build and grow new metropolitan areas. Hundreds upon hundreds of small towns already have the infrastructure, and could support new corporate headquarters from all over the country. We'd be so rich!
g. Best reason of all - Obama couldn't touch us, tell us how to run our state, our families, our schools or our lives.

And, with apologies to Sen. McCain, Country has NEVER been first to me. It's GOD first, Family second, Others Third. And, in Texas, we have everything we need to create a country that would respect each INDIVIDUAL's right to make those choices for themselves. When my government starts to take money my family earns to kill babies (BAIPA), or support criminals (ACORN), or take my property without my consent (401k), I say it's time to stand against the usurpers and fight!
84 posted on 11/05/2008 11:50:36 AM PST by erkyl (Obama has always been a baby-killer)
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To: cdbull23

>> People seem to forget that you need a Jimmy before you get a Ronny.

LoL

Screw that cycle. Look where it lead us to.. Its been a downward spiral for DECADES. now we are at the point of having a radical marxist as President! as well as having the other 2 branches controlled by marxists.

Sorry.. You can have this sh_t. We need to start again somewhere else and Texas sounds like a great place. I grew up there and have been itching to go back.


85 posted on 11/05/2008 11:51:07 AM PST by myself6 (.)
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To: Vor Lady

Y’all better ‘git on dahn heeya’ before we close the borders.

No, seriously. :-)


86 posted on 11/05/2008 11:51:17 AM PST by LongElegantLegs (They're penguins! Just wipe the oil off the white parts and toss 'em back!!)
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To: erkyl
http://www.texasnationalist.com/independence/index.php

Above URL in the real deal.

87 posted on 11/05/2008 11:51:47 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Obama, Change America will die for.)
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To: Spktyr
I have no argument there. But the economy came back, as did the military.

The point I'm making is that though the next four years may be pretty bad, all that will do is make conservative ideals all the more popular, leading up to voting in a REAL conservative.

Liberals had their slogans for the past 8 years: NO BLOOD FOR OIL / BUSH LIED, PEOPLE DIED / etc. Similarly, I'll have my slogan:

Just remember: you need a Jimmy to get a Ronald.

Keep fighting.

88 posted on 11/05/2008 11:51:52 AM PST by cdbull23 (What's going on in my brain? Check it out: www.cainsbrain.com)
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To: Spktyr

Now that I reside in TX....I would agree


89 posted on 11/05/2008 11:52:06 AM PST by Kimmers
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To: erkyl

I am in.


90 posted on 11/05/2008 11:52:43 AM PST by Shady Ray
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To: 2Jedismom

Yep...that’s what I told my husband last night...at least we are in a state with some THINKING PEOPLE!! People here are also really about their guns...past really tight gun control...Okies are ready to lead by leaving. It sounds strange to me as well...but there is a lot of talk about it. Many who are already to fight for it as well.

Glad to be in an ANTI-OBAMA STATE!!!!


91 posted on 11/05/2008 11:53:01 AM PST by housewife101
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To: hotshu

It just occurred to me that if we told the Californians that if they left the union they could have gay marriage, free everything for everyone, and set whatever policies they wanted on whatever they wanted, they might actually leave on their own.


92 posted on 11/05/2008 11:53:08 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: americanophile
I think this question was pretty well settled in 1865.

Not really. I'm in!

93 posted on 11/05/2008 11:53:24 AM PST by pgkdan ("White folks greed runs a world in need," Jeremiah Wright as quoted by Barack Obama)
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To: 2Jedismom

I lived in Oklahoma for a short time and I’ve always been fond of it. My husband’s family is from Texas/Oklahoma area. We like the “Pan-annle” area.


94 posted on 11/05/2008 11:53:43 AM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Don't blame me, I voted for John McCain and Sarah Palin.)
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To: erkyl

Let’s see...

A quasi-socialist government, or having the Cowboys as the national team.

Hang on, I’m still thinking...


95 posted on 11/05/2008 11:54:19 AM PST by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: IrishCatholic

I do understand how this country was designed. The states are at-will members of the Union.

The Federal Govt. has limited rights given to it by the Constitution. The Govt. has expanded those rights. It has broken it’s contract. We have a right to seperate.

I do NOT want a strong Federal Govt. I want 50 strong states and a distant, uninvolved Federal Govt, as it was intended.


96 posted on 11/05/2008 11:56:29 AM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: erkyl

Say “Hi” to Mexico for me.


97 posted on 11/05/2008 11:56:57 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: hotshu

Only if you want the FreeRepublic servers in a foreign country! Check the bottom of your page: Fresno, California (where I am!).


98 posted on 11/05/2008 11:57:24 AM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Don't blame me, I voted for John McCain and Sarah Palin.)
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To: Warren_Piece

There is always the Houston Texans if you want an alternative.


99 posted on 11/05/2008 11:57:37 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

Not seeing a problem with that. I am on another forum that serves the central US, but because it’s cheaper, has the servers hosted in Britain.


100 posted on 11/05/2008 12:00:42 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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