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Fellow Texans....Yes we can!
http://www.texassecede.com ^ | 11/05/08 | VANITY

Posted on 11/05/2008 11:13:16 AM PST by erkyl

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To: erkyl

Maybe we should just all arm up and take Cuba. They could use the boost to their economy. Just need to flush out those commies (I mean the ones in Cuba of course, not the ones just elected here)


101 posted on 11/05/2008 12:01:19 PM PST by domeika (give me ambiguity or give me something else)
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To: pgkdan; All
Well, it seems the histrionics are in full swing here at FR today.
I think this is the last post for a while until the adults come back tonight.
Here it goes:

America didn't elect a communist. They didn't endorse socialism. They don't hate America. They don't repudiate our values, traditions, or think this country isn't the greatest nation on earth. However, those that want to peel off Texas, do.

America voted on what they knew. They knew what the press told them. Which was nothing. They were bombarded with pro Obama news, ads, and commentary. He was presented as the next Johnson, FDR, Kennedy, etc. To African Americans he was the sign they could succeed all the way. He took away a deep sense of self doubt. To the rest, the uninformed, he wasn't Bush. He wasn't Republican. The mass of people think it was the Republicans that got us in this financial mess. They aren't on FR. They don't look into things the way Freepers do. Find an Obama supporter and ask basic questions. You will find they aren't Marxist/Socialists, they are uneducated and clueless.

Finally, to all those in despair, look at the ballot initiatives. In the bluest of blue California they added an amendment to ban gay marriage. In Florida and other states gay marriage and gay adoption failed.

So suck it up all Freepers. It is time to start educating our fellow citizens, not trying to take the ball and go home.

102 posted on 11/05/2008 12:01:59 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: television is just wrong
With all due respect, we have enough Californians here, thank you very much! That's how TX lost a lot of its redness in this election.

Just kidding---we can use all the conservatives we can get!

You can help us secede !

103 posted on 11/05/2008 12:02:35 PM PST by basil (Support the 2nd Amendment--buy another gun today)
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To: erkyl

Never should have joined the Union. Now it’s too late, and it can’t be undone, sorry.


104 posted on 11/05/2008 12:03:37 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (If you don't vote, you don't matter.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Yeah, sorry, I was just giving credit to the source of the image. The better sites are listed here:

An organization self-described as the Republic of Texas Interim Government asserts, among other things, that the annexation of Texas as a U.S. State was illegal and/or improperly executed, and that the current Texas State government is therefore illegitimate. Their website can be found at http://www.republic-of-texas.net.

Another organization of interest is Texas Constitution 2000, which calls on Texans to ratify a new constitution liberating Texas from the economic and statutory slavery of the U.S. government. Their website is http://www.tcrf.com.

The Independent Nation of Texas website features a FAQ page listing reasons why secession would be good for Texas, as well as links to multiple online resources pertaining to Texas secession, at http://www.anus.com/etc/texas/.


105 posted on 11/05/2008 12:03:49 PM PST by erkyl (Obama has always been a baby-killer)
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To: lone star annie

Actually much of the resistance to the border fence has happened in Texas. So much for your idea that Texas will secure its borders.


106 posted on 11/05/2008 12:09:07 PM PST by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: housewife101
Well, Okies don't typically agree with Texans

Aww, come on now... You take too many of our high school football stars to disagree with us that much.:-) And let's face it, the two states claim to be rivals but there isn't a d*mn bit of difference between us (other than Texan superior looks and charm, of course). Just think what the People's Republic of Texoma would be like. Let us build our own Rome on the Red River!

107 posted on 11/05/2008 12:09:57 PM PST by Shady Ray
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To: IrishCatholic

It will be impossible to overcome the propaganda machine that will be assembled under the Obama administration. Between the fairness doctrine reimplementation and the blind worship of the remaining MSM, we don’t have a chance.

Better to pull out, let the place collapse, then come back and rebuild afterwards.


108 posted on 11/05/2008 12:12:47 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Shady Ray
People's Republic of Texoma

OUCH. You MESSED UP.

"Republic of Texoma"

"People's Republic" is a communist reference.

109 posted on 11/05/2008 12:13:49 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, and Thuggery)
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To: IrishCatholic

I’m sorry, but I do not view it as histrionics simply because some of us believe in protecting the freedoms and liberties this country was founded on which are now being threatened under an Obama administration.

It’s not a knee-jerk to a lost election, it’s called planning ahead. We can’t sit back and wait for it to all happen under our noses and then say, oh, well, there’s nothing we can do now. I guess we’re screwed. That’s how we got where we are today.

I’m fed up with everyone just sitting around and saying, oh well, too bad, the libs took this one—we’ll get ‘em next time. We will not have a next time. This newly elected president spits on the constitution, says it’s inadequate to solve economic retributive justice for all. Believes it’s a living document, fluid, ripe for alteration. That’s the first sign we’re in trouble, and our freedoms are being taken from us.

Look, the Christians sat around in the 70’s and said and did nothing about Roe v. Wade and that floodgate opened and we can’t shut it. And now, some people are advocating more of the same. Sit around and wait for the pendulum to swing back? What about the freedoms we lose while we sit and wait that can’t be given back? We have Social Security FOREVER thanks to FDR. We will not be able to unring these bells Obama plans to ring, and if Texans don’t plan ahead, he will try to confiscate our property and we’ll be caught with our pants down, reaching for our guns to protect ourselves, but they’ll be gone and we’ll be toast.

Plan ahead, be prepared, ever vigilant, ever ready.


110 posted on 11/05/2008 12:14:53 PM PST by erkyl (Obama has always been a baby-killer)
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To: erkyl
Q: Doesn’t the Texas Constitution reserve the right of Texas to secede?

A: No such provision is found in the current Texas Constitution[1](adopted in 1876) or the terms of annexation.[2] However, it does state (in Article 1, Section 1) that “Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States...” Neither the Texas Constitution, nor the Constitution of the united States, explicitly or implicitly disallows the secession of Texas (or any other “free and independent State”) from the united States. Joining the “ Union” was ever and always voluntary, rendering voluntary withdrawal an equally lawful and viable option (regardless of what any self-appointed academic, media, or government “experts”—including Abraham Lincoln himself—may have ever said). Both the original (1836) and the current (1876) Texas Constitutions also state that “All political power is inherent in the people ... they have at all times the inalienable right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper.”

I've been on the bandwagon for years. If the rest of the country wants to sit around on their welfare checks drinking koolaid demanding more taxes from me, then by golly, let's secede. My ancestors brought in Santa Anna to Houston and declared us our own country once and there's no reason we can't do it again.

http://www.texassecede.com/faq.asp

111 posted on 11/05/2008 12:18:09 PM PST by itsthejourney (mtbopfuyn has risen from the ashes)
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To: erkyl
Texas A&M Fighting Farmers... beat the HELL outta 0U!

TAMU Class of '88

112 posted on 11/05/2008 12:19:25 PM PST by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: MrB

Sorry, then just make it the Republic of Texoma and away we go:-)


113 posted on 11/05/2008 12:19:50 PM PST by Shady Ray
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To: Shady Ray

Fine with me...we own property in both states. Makes it easier to travel without a passport ;-)


114 posted on 11/05/2008 12:21:59 PM PST by erkyl (Obama has always been a baby-killer)
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To: willyd
Texas wouldn’t go anywhere... we refine 75% of the world’s oil.

Not even close. In Texas we have 26 refineries capable of processing 4.75 MMBPD. The world uses about 86 MMBPD. We process about 6% of the world and about 24% of the US.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/refinery_capacity_data/historical/2008/table1.pdf

115 posted on 11/05/2008 12:22:06 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: lone star annie
I’m in. TEXAS will secure its borders from invasion and protect its citizens.

Over Governor Goodhair's dead body.

116 posted on 11/05/2008 12:23:05 PM PST by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: dfwgator

Yes, that would be our first order of business...finding a leader who was for securing our borders. Any suggestions, Texans?


117 posted on 11/05/2008 12:25:49 PM PST by erkyl (Obama has always been a baby-killer)
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To: erkyl

If Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindel can be our President and Vice President or visa versa.


118 posted on 11/05/2008 12:28:54 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: American72; American59

Ping!


119 posted on 11/05/2008 12:32:54 PM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: erkyl
Yes, that would be our first order of business...finding a leader who was for securing our borders. Any suggestions, Texans?

Well, we have this singing Jewish Cowboy who like cigars...


120 posted on 11/05/2008 12:33:25 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: dfwgator

This is an idea that does have merit if need be. All one has to do is look at the map—if Texas actually does consider this, it won’t be the only state. It should be a last resort, of course, but sooner or later we may be called upon to make such a choice. I live in Southern Missouri and our “hillbilly” values are so very different than those of the St. Louis/Kansas City city dwellers. We did manage to win the vote for McCain, but just barely.


121 posted on 11/05/2008 12:38:08 PM PST by TerrisFriend ("I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me!" God Bless the U.S.A.!)
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To: thackney

But we have five of the eleven top producing American refineries and with a total of 26 refineries, we have more than any other state in the ‘union.’

I don’t care about the other refineries in the world, but when considering secession, it would be lovely to take 26 of the nation’s refineries for the Republic of Texas and then also be free to drill off shore, build more refineries and build coal powered plants. If you add in our likely neighbors of Oklahoma and Louisiana (should they decide to join us), add another 22 to our growing Republic. That’s a total of 48 refineries out of around 160 of the total refineries in the US. Or about a third?


122 posted on 11/05/2008 12:39:30 PM PST by erkyl (Obama has always been a baby-killer)
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To: erkyl
I'm a little NW a Dallas and the idea doesn't sound bad at all, and I think it's going to look better and better as time progresses. You can bet the implementation of the "Civilian Security Force" will be be tied to an attack on the second amendment and attempted confiscation and seizure of individually owned weapons. In an interview with John Lott who went to school with Obama, it's clear that our beloved President Elect doesn't think private citizens should have a right to own a gun.

Anyone remember the series finale of Jericho? Texas was a stand-alone entity and the idea is looking less far fetched by the moment.
123 posted on 11/05/2008 12:39:56 PM PST by RonboTex (Go ahead... Make my day.)
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To: 2Jedismom; erkyl; housewife101

Yes, please don’t forget us Okies


124 posted on 11/05/2008 12:41:50 PM PST by CharlieOK1 (Pontius Pilate voted "Present" at the Crucifixion of Christ)
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To: Spktyr

Upon further review, why stop at California? Now that Virginia, Ohio, and Indiana have joined the unholy coastal alliance, let them all go. Look at yesterday’s electoral map.

Yeah, we’ll have hurricanes, but we’ll also have the oil, oil shale, natural gas, plenty of the cleanest coal (Grand Escalante Staircase), wind power generation, and we have no problem with nuclear power.

Just letting the imagination run wild.


125 posted on 11/05/2008 12:46:31 PM PST by hotshu (Words are good in a polite society, bullets may become necessary in an uncivil one.)
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To: hotshu

I was bouncing the idea around in my head before the election in anticipation of the clear delineation of our country along ideologies for the past 5 presidential election cycles. It’s clear there are those who believe in European socialism (but won’t move there...PUHLEEZ) and those of us who cling to our religion and guns, oh, and the Founding Fathers and the constitution, etc.

I proposed the notion of all the red states joining, seceding and becoming our own country. I posted the idea in another thread, but agree that our new conservative nation would be stronger, have all the business, military, energy, and the liberals would have all the poor with their hands out. Eventually, the blue states would go bankrupt, we could take them over and have our country back. Of course, by then, they would realize their liberal ideology was a miserable failure by experiencing it themselves, and not forcing the rest of us down that toilet along with them.

A gal can dream, right?


126 posted on 11/05/2008 12:52:16 PM PST by erkyl (Obama has always been a baby-killer)
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To: erkyl

I’m already looking for refuge. My beloved Virginia now has a lib governor and two lib senators. Too many damn yankees moving here and then trying to change our values. That Cowboys thing IS a problem though. Maybe we could move the Redskins to Austin. From one capitol to another?


127 posted on 11/05/2008 12:55:33 PM PST by BubbaBasher (www.HypocriteLibs.org - Tracking the Slandering Liars in the MSM)
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To: wardaddy

Hey Guy! Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Louisisna, South Carolina, Arkansas and Kentucky are invited to the party too!
(So are Kansas, Nebraska, S. Dakota, N. Dakota, Wyoming, Idaho, Utah and Arizona). And even W. Virginia LOL!


128 posted on 11/05/2008 1:04:38 PM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: American72; American59

Ping!


129 posted on 11/05/2008 1:12:25 PM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: Proud_texan

Does this sound like a canard?

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005511

Who else is for increasing the number of Texas Senators by 8 as well as 8 more Texas members of electoral college?


130 posted on 11/05/2008 1:14:22 PM PST by bestintxas (It's great in Texas)
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To: Proud_texan
Everyone should read this link (see Proud_texan's post), if you're interested in seeing what the Founding Fathers thought about secession. The closing paragraph, however, should encourage each of you who may have forgotten the sovereignty of each of your states in this voluntary union.

Upon these principles we can arrive at no other conclusions than these -- that according to the Constitutional doctrines of America, whenever a State decides by the vote of a majority of its people, that the government over it has become destructive to the ends of its welfare and happiness, and no longer exists in its consent, such State has a right to abolish that government, so far as it concerns itself, or, in other words, has a right to secede from the Union.
131 posted on 11/05/2008 1:15:42 PM PST by erkyl (United Sovereign States of America?)
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To: bestintxas

I dislike this notion-—unless we are an independent nation. Then division into several smaller states becomes a practical matter of governing more efficiently (and perhaps for helping solve the Cowboys problem). But, five separate states of Texas just to get a little more influence in the federal debacle...I don’t think so.


132 posted on 11/05/2008 1:21:21 PM PST by erkyl (United Sovereign States of America?)
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To: erkyl

Easy access to natural resources has ALWAYS been the key to human societal progress. If easy access was not available, there were two ways to remedy the situation, trade or conquest.

Now that our fellow “citizens” have elected a regime that reject the abundance of natural bounty granted to us, I’m forced to ask, “Will I continue to rejoice in those blessings? Or should I hope for the change that this man will bring to our great progress and help this man “remake” our country?”

Ummm, I think I’ll go with the former rather than the latter.

Dreams are good, as long as they’re made of or induced by pipe.


133 posted on 11/05/2008 1:24:03 PM PST by hotshu (Words are good in a polite society, bullets may become necessary in an uncivil one.)
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To: bestintxas
"Mr. Kesavan is a recent graduate of Yale Law School. Mr. Paulsen is professor of Law at University of Minnesota Law School."

With all due respect to a recent law school graduate and a yankee professor I've never met a serious person who doesn't think that the formal re-admittance of Texas after the civil war rendered any agreement before that moot.

Yeah, just what we need, more senators.

134 posted on 11/05/2008 1:25:06 PM PST by Proud_texan (Scare people enough and they'll do anything.)
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To: erkyl

How about establishing Freeperville,TX? We find an area that has a large amount of available acreage and buy adjoining lots. Then we form our own town. erkyl, you could be our first school teacher.


135 posted on 11/05/2008 1:27:01 PM PST by BubbaBasher (www.HypocriteLibs.org - Tracking the Slandering Liars in the MSM)
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To: IrishCatholic

heh...

It doesn’t matter WHY they voted for him, or WHY acorn committed massive voter fraud.

What matters is that we now have a Marxist president elect and a marxist controlled legislative branch ready to take his orders. We also have a predominantly marxist judicial branch ready to help the cause. The Constitution as it was written and as it was intended is dead (or will be when they assume power). All that its ever taken to kill it was for these type of people to assume control over its “protection”.

Realism dictates that it will be an impossible task to “educate” people away from the government tit. its just not going to happen.

Texas cant wait too long to do something either. Even they will eventually be overrun by the leftist hordes. Now that power has been consolidated the marxists WILL concentrate on the holdouts. Take THAT to the bank.


136 posted on 11/05/2008 1:32:54 PM PST by myself6 (.)
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To: erkyl

When you google “texas secession obama” you get some interesting threads in other locations talking about this in the past 24 hours...

Sentiments seem to be the same as FReepers. Take a look:

http://www.investorsiraq.com/showthread.php?t=103872
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081105081401AAURPMF
Facebook has several groups started
http://friedgreenonions.blogspot.com/2008/10/if-obamanation-is-imposed-texas.html
http://hatlessinhattiesburg.blogspot.com/2008/11/darker-view.html

And of course, you get some racist sites that are pretty disgusting.

But, the pot is simmering, and I think Dante’s words should be heeded:

“The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crises maintain their neutrality”


137 posted on 11/05/2008 1:56:22 PM PST by erkyl (United Sovereign States of America?)
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To: IrishCatholic
Nope, not buying that Americans didn't know they were voting for a socialist or a communist. They knew it and they didn't care. they all think they're going to be on the receiving end...some other guy is going to be paying.

They all heard about Joe the Plumber and Obama admitting to his plan to redistribute income, they all heard about his plans to tax the rich, raise capital gains taxes for fairness and so on. They decided they like socialism as long as they're getting free stuff. They make me sick.

138 posted on 11/05/2008 2:00:27 PM PST by pgkdan ("White folks greed runs a world in need," Jeremiah Wright as quoted by Barack Obama)
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To: Shady Ray
Just think what the People's Republic of Texoma would be like. Let us build our own Rome on the Red River!

make it the Republic of Texoma and drop that People's Republic stuff!

139 posted on 11/05/2008 2:02:08 PM PST by pgkdan ("White folks greed runs a world in need," Jeremiah Wright as quoted by Barack Obama)
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To: pgkdan
They decided they like socialism as long as they're getting free stuff. They make me sick.

I feel the same way. I'm getting off the American ride the next 4 years. I didn't make this mess and I feel no responsibility to fix it. I'll leave it to those "Americans" who voted for Hussein to figure out how to fix the mess they've caused. I may have a job offer that will take me to Iraq, and I am giving it serious consideration. I'd almost rather be helping Iraqis try and fix their country, rather than living among people who have decided to throw their nation away.

140 posted on 11/05/2008 2:04:23 PM PST by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: thackney

Still...thats a pretty big chunk...nowhere close to the 75% though...lol


141 posted on 11/05/2008 2:47:53 PM PST by willyd (Tickets, fines, fees, permits and inspections are synonyms for taxes)
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To: erkyl

Actually, look who holds power nowadays in the Congress. We are really unduly influenced by the really small liberal NE states who control disproportionate power in the senate with the likes of Senators like Leahy & Biden.

The only dangers I see is whether the separate states of Texas will continue a having common interests in the future as some may go their separate ways (such as the one around liberal central Texas).

New England is what we need to confront. They now have no Republicans at all in Congress with the ouster of Shays.


142 posted on 11/05/2008 2:50:42 PM PST by bestintxas (It's great in Texas)
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To: Proud_texan

Having representation is the way the government runs, so having more of them and their voting power with our philosophy makes a lot of sense to me.

I have heard the argument before on whether we have retained the rights we had prior to the War between the North and South (Note: it was not a civil war like you said). There is no one I have ever met who has shown any legal documentation that this right was indeed taken away from this state. My father, who mastered in Texas history at Ut-Austin could not find such either.


143 posted on 11/05/2008 2:56:41 PM PST by bestintxas (It's great in Texas)
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To: bestintxas
Okay, you win, spend all your time, money and energy getting it done.

I'd rather spend my time towards getting two conservative Senators elected vs. the two representing us now but that's just me.

I expect both are foolish errands but I would give my option better odds.

144 posted on 11/05/2008 3:07:06 PM PST by Proud_texan (Scare people enough and they'll do anything.)
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

Get together with Alaska.

Any military movement would have to involve either an amphibious landing, or getting rights from Canada to allow a military to pass through their country.


145 posted on 11/05/2008 5:38:25 PM PST by benjibrowder (Looking forward to kicking Obama out of office in 2012.)
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To: erkyl

If this Marxist comes through as advertised, count me in.


146 posted on 11/05/2008 5:43:02 PM PST by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: IrishCatholic

Your not even a Texan, butt out.


147 posted on 11/05/2008 5:45:08 PM PST by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: catfish1957

My grandmother is of Texan and Oklahoman descent.

Texas is in my blood. If Texas decides to secede, I’ll be there fighting for it.


148 posted on 11/05/2008 6:32:42 PM PST by benjibrowder (Looking forward to kicking Obama out of office in 2012.)
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To: McLynnan

Yes, but it will extend up the state line with New Mexico...too many Californians coming.

Just kidding.


149 posted on 11/05/2008 6:34:59 PM PST by comps4spice (Stop buying newspapers and magazines and tell advertisers why you are doing what you are doing.)
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To: lone star annie

“TEXAS will secure its borders from invasion and protect its citizens.”

Not if Goodhair can help it.


150 posted on 11/05/2008 7:01:32 PM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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