Posted on 11/05/2008 2:33:58 PM PST by GourmetDan
Anybody consider that the almost 119 million 'votes' cast yesterday is more than 80% of the number of eligible voters in the U.S.?
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, there were 136 million registered voters in 2006. Assuming a massive voter registration program adding 12 million new voters, the number of votes cast would be 80% of 'registered' voters.
Does anyone really believe that?
From the line I was standing in I do believe it. I have been voting since Nixon and I have never seen turnout even close to this.
Hmmm. Any idea what the registered voter database was in 2004 when 121,068,000 voted?
It’s amazing what those millions will buy.
People wanted change and they wanted charisma. Obama promises it so the people bite.
Voters are the most forgetful group of human beings on Earth.
Unless they are still counting it didnt exceed the 121 million votes in 2004.
According to my math (from the last century, admittedly),
119 million < 121 million
Why was this a historic turnout?
No, I don’t believe it, and I’m not a nut that just dropped out of an ACORN tree yesterday either.
“Why was this a historic turnout?”
Because dead people, cartoon characters, “made up” people, and foreigners voted in yesterday’s election....some of them several times I’m sure.
Voter turn out was less than the 2004 election.
I will give odds that figure is off bad and there was a lot of fraud. Lines or no lines. The fraud was in the absentee ballots.
There are more of them than there are of us now. More and more states turning blue. My state Virginia is one of them. Blacks, Hispanics and Muslims vote America to resemble Africa, Latin America and the Middle East. Vote in Raila Odinga, vote in Hugo Chavez, vote in Abu al Hussein bin Obama, single women with children vote in a husband and father in big government to provide for them...
Historic Day! Record Number of Voters. U.S. Democracy At Its Finest.
Courts to review voters' decisions
Forgetful is being might nice it is more like stupid or uneducated but there were a lot of dead people also voting and I do not know what category to place them in.
You didn’t get the memo? We aren’t supposed to question anything. Just bleet and move along or the good shepherd 0bama will not protect thee from the wolves. baaahhh
It’s only 80% of the eligible voters because they changed the definition of eligible a few years ago to only registered so the numbers would stop looking so pathetic. Used to be the “eligible” number was basically everybody over 18 (ie everybody that could legally register to vote), which would right now be about 240 million people, which means that once again less than half of America voted.
According to the 2006 census chart that you referenced,
there are 220 million eligible voters, so 119 million is definitely not 80%...more like 54%!
It is a great turnout considering that so many of them are non-existent or long dead, not to mention the difficulty many others had to overcome in order to cast multiple votes in different precincts, towns, cities and states.
I never said it was. I believe some pundits have said as much, but I don't put any stock in what they say...
John Fund said there are 153 million registered voters in country 2008. I don’t know what source he was using. I heard him on the radio Monday.
Several million voters who cast votes in 2004 stayed home in 2008. If their taxes go up under the Obamination they can thank themselves.
Yes, I think we are past that tipping point.
Voters, sir .. know what they're doing ... the others?
The others were fillers .. commercials .. pimps .. phoneys .. evil doers.
I never said it was. Here's where I got the figures: Massive Turnout? .... Where's all those "New" Voters?. You'll see the same question was asked...
Why was this a historic turnout?
Because it was the year that a once great country voted for socialist assisted suicide!
Yeah. I started to get nervous when I saw the lines. Seems high turnout doesn’t bode well for Republicans.
Too many dummies out there.
Okay, so what do we do about it? What’s the solution?
I think we need to think of the book “The man who would be king”
Obama built the expectations to free gasoline and mortgages paid.
KEEP HIS FEET TO THE FIRE.
KNOWLEDGE IS OUR TRUEST POWER.
Join you local republican club, work on the get out the vote machine to be a two week early voting machine.
That’s how I feel and it won’t get any better unless our voting system is made fraud proof even if we have to use inky fingers.
I don’t know if the 80% of eligible voters figure is accurate but I do know that with the large margin of victory in the electoral college, the voter fraud, dead people voting and multiple votes from the same person (whether a US citizen or not) will not be reported. Not that the media or anybody else would report it if it had been closer.
ACORN is a criminal group and should be taken apart by legal means. Voting laws and proper picture identification needs to be a priority of the next Republican administration (if one gets a chance to be elected now that we are going to have the Federal government veering way left). IN the meantime, don’t let voter fraud, intimidation or other illegal activity be allowed.
Yet there are about 230 million people age 18 or older (3/4 of the population). Subtracting 20 million illegals and felons makes for about 210 million legal citizens age 18 or older and eligible to register and vote. Thus we had only two thirds of those who could legally vote actually register to vote. One could say that only half those who could vote actually voted. The other half sat the election out. Those Republicans and Conservatives and Patriots who sat this election out should be ashamed of themselves.
200 million televisions, 600 million worth of television ads. You do the math.
“That’s how I feel and it won’t get any better unless our voting system is made fraud proof even if we have to use inky fingers.”
I’d go for that. And perhaps it is also time for the electoral college system to be tossed in the garbage. Haven’t studied up on it, so don’t hold me to it. ;)
That is a tough question to answer. Conservatives cannot change blacks and Hispanics and Muslims into Conservatives. That is a cultural thing that cannot be overcome even with facts. Other? I have not been able to change one family or friend from their liberalism even with solid facts or better ideas like the FairTax.
The very infrastructure has been corrupted at the elementary level from kindergarten to grad school with liberalism. Where else would my very intelligent (common senseless) family members have gotten it?
Bottom line: In my opinion, the only thing we 'can do about it' is 1.) pray for them and the nation that the Spirit of God can break through and change hearts from the inside. 2.) Conservatives need to go back to church and get involved in spiritual outreach.
Honestly, there may be no solution because this is bigger and higher than politics. I'm talking Biblical and the plans of the Almighty. Historically, there has been only just so much grace before the judgment. We, as a nation have a lot of abortion, homosexuality, sex outside of marriage, all of the things mentioned in Romans 1:18-32 to our account and in the past, when God has had enough, the nation is destroyed and the people carried off into captivity. If He did it to His own people Israel, He will do it to us. The Church (real, true church) is all that is left and even that is infiltrated by liberals and liberal doctrine. But, that is really the only hope left.
I have been going to the same Polling place since I voted for Reagan{Those were happy days} Yesterday I saw more younger people than ever voting for this area. I thought this odd because most of the voters are older, blue collar types. I asked the poll worker about this and she said that they have seen a lot of students. But there isnt a college around here and the nearest is Pitt.
Wonder how many ACORNHOLES voted in different polling centers?
“People wanted change and they wanted charisma. Obama promises it so the people bite.”
Just like fishing....use the right bait and.....
And aye, there's the rub a "new process" always takes longer to get working than an "old process" (when people are involved).
Eventually the voting system operators will have enough machines to move large numbers of people fast.
Then, too, black voters were "coached" to get down there and vote early because they have only 2 machines going at the courthouse ~ and take lunch because you'll be there all day long.
That definitely intimidated some voters, but it was supposed to.
The number of voters was not terribly out of line anywhere, but it was perceived to be.
There where a lot more people showing up too. That is no illusion.
I think the key word in this is “eligible”. Any and all eligibility requirements (including breathing) are outdated, racist and xenophobic. I raised a question on another site about how valid the “Dissent is patriotic” mantra of the left for the past 8 years was these days. The answer was something about a boot in your face. I guess that “tolerance” thing’s probably out the window, too.
They take longer than several other electronic systems I've used.
This will probably shock you, but I’m a conservative, but also an Agnostic, so I’m not on the “religion” boat, but to each his own.
Yet, I think if that is the only answer, the GOP will go the way of the Whig Party.
I prefer the Nancy woman’s vinyards, restaurants and olive trees. My need is greater than hers and I fully expect to find them made available to me next trip to California.
That is because too many Conservatives, Gunowners, and Patriots do not vote.
The "moral majority" isn't, but they shouldn't be thrown under the bus either. As long as they are for limited government and don't seek to use the state to convert me, I will gladly join them as brothers in arms.
There are more than enough secular Patriots, Veterans, and Economic Conservatives or Capitalists who should be voting Republican, and who would enable a Palin ticket to win -- in 2012.
A secular society is by definition the problem.
Point 1. As you said, the "moral majority" isn't. You are also correct. If the "moral majority" was moral in the Biblical sense, then it would have a voice and a right to be heard. However, because they're not moral, they are considered hypocrites. In the words of my daughter: "I'd rather associate with agnostics and atheists than Christians because they seem less hypocritical and judgmental and all around nicer"
That said, Christians are supposed to try and "convert you". However, not by what they say, but how they live is what is supposed to draw you to them to obtain what they have. As it is, most Christians, as examples, people look at and say if that is what being a Christian is, count me out...I want none of that. Those Christians have no voice and no right to one
Point 2. A secular society that does not adhere to a higher authority can only be it's own higher authority. Atheists and Agnostics do not submit to God that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights... Their rights (and laws) are endowed by man and what man endows, man can take away. Man is the highest and ultimate power. We are witnessing the Liberals hunger and crave and fight for power...ultimate power, secured power, power over everything in other's lives via bigger and more intrusive government.
'True" Christians, on the other hand, if living under biblical laws, precepts and principles, are to serve others (or one another), thus running and if elected, 'serving' not ruling in the Constitutional "limited" government under the rule of law originated from the basic ten commandments. Liberals want to do away with the Constitution and rule by whatever suits them or profits them or secures their power.
You claimed to be an Agnostic... that means that you have studied God and have come to the conclusion that He cannot be found or known, so you have abandoned that search.
When you said: "I'm not on the 'religion' boat, but to each his own" There is where there is no higher authority to adhere to moral absolutes and so "what is right for you may not be right for me..." Example moral absolute: You shall not murder. Example moral relativism ('but to each his own'): You shall not murder unless...you have a god reason, they made you angry, they had it coming, they cheated with my spouse...on and on...
I would contest than true Conservativism is based on moral absolutes that formed the rule of law that makes the Constitution absolute and laws absolute... Whereas, Liberalism/Socialism is do whatever is right in your own eyes and change whenever it suits.
Sorry for the long-winded diatribe.
I say, there is no proof! That’s my position..and to it I hold firmly and without hesitation.
Yes, to each his own..Christians are fine by me, as are Atheists.
Perhps, I said to much. All I meant ws that Christians restrict themselves to serve. Those without higher authority to answer to, don't serve, they rule. The are their own God.
And, if you ever want to have a discussion about "proof" then feel free to mail me. I'm no "religion boater" so I would NOT try and convert you to anything. But, besides archeology and scentific proof, I have had, lets say encounters...
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