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Gay activists jarred by California marriage defeat
AP via SFGate ^ | 11/5/8 | DAVID CRARY and LISA LEFF, Associated Press Writers

Posted on 11/05/2008 4:33:47 PM PST by SmithL

LOS ANGELES -- In a heartbreaking defeat for the gay-rights movement, California voters put a stop to gay marriage, creating uncertainty about the legal status of 18,000 same-sex couples who tied the knot during a four-month window of opportunity opened by the state's highest court.

Passage of a constitutional amendment against gay marriage — in a state so often at the forefront of liberal social change — elated religious conservatives who had little else to cheer about in Tuesday's elections. Gay activists were disappointed and began looking for battlegrounds elsewhere in the back-and-forth fight to allow gays to wed.

"There's something deeply wrong with putting the rights of a minority up to a majority vote," said Evan Wolfson, a gay-rights lawyer who heads a group called Freedom to Marry. "If this were being done to almost any other minority, people would see how un-American this is."

Legal skirmishing began immediately, with gay-rights groups challenging the newly passed ban in court Wednesday and vowing to resist any effort to invalidate the same-sex marriages that took place following the state Supreme Court decision in May.

The amendment, which passed with 52 percent of the vote, overrides that court ruling by defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman. Thirty states now have adopted such measures, but the California vote marks the first time a state took away gay marriage after it had been legalized.

Gay-marriage bans also passed on Tuesday in Arizona and Florida, with 57 percent and 62 percent support, respectively, while Arkansas voters approved a measure aimed at gays that bars unmarried couples from serving as adoptive or foster parents.

Massachusetts and Connecticut are now the only states to allow same-sex marriage.

Even as the last votes were being counted in California, the American Civil Liberties Union...

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: ca2008; gaystapo; homosexualagenda; perverts; prop8; sanfranciscovalues; sodomandgomorrah
Whether you like it or not!
1 posted on 11/05/2008 4:33:47 PM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

are they jarred or fisted over this?


2 posted on 11/05/2008 4:34:35 PM PST by MAD-AS-HELL (How does one win over terrorists? KILL them with UNKINDNESS)
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To: SmithL

Got out the vote didn’t ya?


3 posted on 11/05/2008 4:34:35 PM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: SmithL
It passed despite Jerry Brown's underhanded tactic of renaming the proposition to make it sound less appealing to the uninformed voter.

Another bright spot in California was the victory by Duncan D. Hunter, USMC, in San Diego County.

4 posted on 11/05/2008 4:37:08 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: SmithL

I’ll never understand why these people are shocked when Americans tell them that they’d like to keep the same definition of marriage that has existed for millenia.


5 posted on 11/05/2008 4:39:21 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: SmithL
"There's something deeply wrong with putting the rights of a minority up to a majority vote," said Evan Wolfson, a gay-rights lawyer who heads a group called Freedom to Marry. "If this were being done to almost any other minority, people would see how un-American this is."

Bigamists and members of NAMBLA could make the same argument as this guy.

6 posted on 11/05/2008 4:40:09 PM PST by Azzurri
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To: SmithL
"If this were being done to almost any other minority, people would see how un-American this is."

Tell it to the polygamists!

7 posted on 11/05/2008 4:40:46 PM PST by Argus (Stuff Compassionate and Maverick - just try plain old CONSERVATISM again)
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To: SmithL

Why are homosexuals categorized as a separate minority group?

Just more absurdity.


8 posted on 11/05/2008 4:43:09 PM PST by Boiling Pots (Barack Obama is not your hip black friend)
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To: Azzurri
"There's something deeply wrong with putting the rights of a minority up to a majority vote,"

The only thing more disturbing is putting the rights of the majority up to a minority vote. And THAT is done all the time! Or worse yet, no vote is taken. The majority's rights are just redefined by judicial fiat.

9 posted on 11/05/2008 4:43:56 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: Argus

I was happy to vote for the ban. Every polling place had queer activists holding up “Yes on 8” signs. Yeah, sure. A lot of good it did them.


10 posted on 11/05/2008 4:45:39 PM PST by mrvirgo
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To: SmithL
Obama had a nuanced position on the issue, saying he opposes gay marriage while also speaking out against Proposition 8.

In other words, he lied. Claiming to support marriage in order to dupe moderates while opposing laws to protect marriage. Let's hope his tax policy doesn't suffer from the same "nuance"!

I'm elated that Prop 8 passed, but the exit polling is dire, showing a generational shift that will probably usher in the approve of homosexual "marriage" within a decade.
11 posted on 11/05/2008 4:46:18 PM PST by UncleDick (Sola fide)
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To: mrvirgo

It did to them good. They got nearly 50% of the vote. Ten years ago it would only have been 20% and ten years before that they would have never tried.

They keep gaining, and they are suing to stop enactment of the proposition. Until our country returns to its roots as moral and honest people, they still can win.


12 posted on 11/05/2008 4:49:07 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: MAD-AS-HELL
'Freedom to Marry'

Didn't he mean 'Freedom to be Mary'?


13 posted on 11/05/2008 4:49:11 PM PST by Viking2002 (Let's be proactive and start the impeachment NOW.)
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To: anniegetyourgun

They are shocked to find that California consists of more than San Fran, Hollyweird and the newsrooms. So is the rest of the country.

It should be noted that the poling data shows that it was the Black vote that carried the day for prop 8. Maybe some of them are paying attention or is it that they don’t want to share minority privilege?


14 posted on 11/05/2008 4:49:49 PM PST by Steamburg (NO SARAH, NO MONEY. Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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To: SmithL
They still have Massachusetts! Penguin
15 posted on 11/05/2008 4:53:37 PM PST by Sparky1776
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To: Steamburg

That’s just evidence that they voted for Obama on one factor. In a normal universe, that would be called “racism.”


16 posted on 11/05/2008 4:56:58 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: mrvirgo
Every polling place had queer activists holding up “Yes on 8” signs.

Wouldn't that have been "no on 8"? or "no on h8"? I saw a number of those ones.

17 posted on 11/05/2008 5:10:10 PM PST by reformed_dem (I voted for Sarah and her running mate.)
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To: Boiling Pots

You think any other group wants to claim the rump rangers as a member?


18 posted on 11/05/2008 5:13:11 PM PST by nomad
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To: SmithL
California voters put a stop to gay marriage, creating uncertainty about the legal status of 18,000 same-sex couples who tied the knot during a four-month window of opportunity opened by the state's highest court.

Uncertainty? As the power vests in the state, by definition they created certainty.

19 posted on 11/05/2008 5:27:02 PM PST by Poison Pill
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To: UncleDick
I'm elated that Prop 8 passed, but the exit polling is dire, showing a generational shift that will probably usher in the approve of homosexual "marriage" within a decade.

It would take a 2/3rd majority to overturn the amendment, assuming that dictatorial judges don't try to first. That won't happen in a decade.

20 posted on 11/05/2008 5:27:44 PM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: SmithL
"There's something deeply wrong with putting the rights of a minority up to a majority vote," said Evan Wolfson, a gay-rights lawyer who heads a group called Freedom to Marry. "If this were being done to almost any other minority, people would see how un-American this is."

Amazing, considering the majority just voted to give themselves more benefits - at the expense of the minority.

Shall we have a discussion about who produces and pays the taxes in this country.

Newsflash: Production doesn't just mean turning a screw. Production is the end result of a creative mind. Take away the creative mind and what will the "workers" of this country have to produce.

I'm gonna step out on a limb, but I'm guessing the thinkers - the real producers of this country are a miniority.

21 posted on 11/05/2008 5:33:28 PM PST by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: SmithL
In a heartbreaking defeat for the gay-rights movement

'Heartbreaking,' eh? No bias there, no siree. /s

22 posted on 11/05/2008 5:35:31 PM PST by shhrubbery! (Obama: The Only Senator Who Voted Against Stopping Infanticide)
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To: SmithL; calcowgirl; ElkGroveDan; SierraWasp; doug from upland; kellynla

Here’s the map of how the vote in Calinfornia broke down.

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/Returns/props/map190000000008.htm

What’s surprising is that Los Angeles County voted in favor of Proposition 8.


25 posted on 11/16/2008 5:33:42 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (If Islam conquers the world, the Earth will be at peace because the human race will be killed off.)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL

Jarred. But they swear they slipped and fell on it in the shower.


26 posted on 11/16/2008 5:36:16 PM PST by RichInOC (Obama/Biden '08: "We Are Not Ruled By Murderers, But Only--By Their Friends."--Rudyard Kipling)
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To: Clintonfatigued

“What’s surprising is that Los Angeles County voted in favor of Proposition 8?”

Not really when you take into consideration that 54% Hispanics, 49% Asians & 70% Blacks voted for Prop 8.
Of course, some lawyers in black robes may very well reverse the vote of the people yet again...


27 posted on 11/16/2008 6:30:20 PM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Morgana

The monogamous marriage is a religious rite and it comes directly from religion.

Since when should the religious standard of monogamous marriage be applied to secular law???

Why not polygyny or polyandry???

ANSWER: Religious faggots cannot admit there is an axiomatic state of reproductive mammalian biology scientifically consistent with evolutionary theory.


28 posted on 11/16/2008 6:38:42 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Clintonfatigued
What’s surprising is that Los Angeles County voted in favor of Proposition 8.

It's not all that surprising. Blacks and Latinos voted for Prop 8, enthusiastically. A couple of my black (somewhat liberal) friends are livid that the SF whackos are trying to frame this as a civil rights issue and comparing it to discrimination against blacks. I hope the pro-gay-marriage folks keep up that line of propaganda--it's a sure loser!

29 posted on 11/16/2008 7:24:46 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: anniegetyourgun

You’re slipping a bit into their playing field when you say “same definition” that has “existed for millenia”.

It is THE only definition, defined by God, not on a whim by societies, no matter how old.

All they’re trying to do is UNdefine it.


30 posted on 11/16/2008 7:26:27 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood; kellynla; calcowgirl; ElkGroveDan
Plus, they simply hate, with white-hot intolerance, anyone that breeds more humananity. They refer to us as "breeders" as a pejoritive term, wishing we were all "terminal!" They line right up with the militant EnvironMentalists on this!!!

I have a question about the assertion as to the racial, or ethnic identy of voters... How can anyone tell how blacks or hispanics voted? There is no place to designate such a thing on ballots. Only on regristration forms where I write in "human" when it asks my race!!!

I don't doubt these percentages, I just can't figure out where and how this info is recorded from our "secret ballots."

31 posted on 11/16/2008 9:36:26 PM PST by SierraWasp (Welcome to the USSA on it's way to join the third whirled in mutual misery with Barak Odrama!!!)
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