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McCain fails to win Latino support
Phoenix Business Journal, Phoenix, AZ ^ | 2008-11-05 | Mike Sunnucks

Posted on 11/06/2008 1:47:21 AM PST by rabscuttle385

Arizona Sen. John McCain was hammered by the Latino vote, hurting him in battleground states of Florida, Nevada, Colorado and New Mexico as he lost his presidential bid to Barack Obama.

Obama took two-thirds of the overall Hispanic vote and McCain got 32 percent, according to exit polls conducted by NBC News. George Bush got 44 percent of the Hispanic vote in 2004.

McCain also didn’t fare well among younger and working-class voters and did not do as well as Bush with whites, middle-class and older voters.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: 2008; bailout; election; elections; epicfail; failure; financialcrisis; hispandering; illegalaliens; immigration; latinovote; mccain; mccainsfailure; mccainsfolly; mccaintruthfile; mcidiot; mcqueeg; openborderpresident
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Latino voters are no different than non-Latino voters,” said Farrell Quinlan, president of In the Arena Public Affairs Inc., a Phoenix-based consulting firm. “John McCain’s campaign was fatally wounded by the financial meltdown that took an essentially tied race in mid-September to a decisive Obama victory on election day. Without the financial crisis, I believe John McCain would have equaled or exceeded George W. Bush’s 2004 support of two out of five Latino voters.
1 posted on 11/06/2008 1:47:21 AM PST by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

well one problem is that mccain just can’t connect with people the way Bush did. stuck in washington too long.


2 posted on 11/06/2008 1:51:10 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: rabscuttle385

Hey, John! That pandering crap didn’t much work out for you, did it? You fail to realize that latinos have a history of socialism, as chances are excellent they came from socialist countries before they got here. Socialism is what they know and like. They will invariably vote for the guy who promises them more free stuff. Latinos are generally conservative and pro-life? Bull crap.


3 posted on 11/06/2008 1:54:51 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ari-freedom

Well, I cannot, will not connect with the likes of Obama


4 posted on 11/06/2008 1:54:53 AM PST by DooDahhhh (AMEN)
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To: rabscuttle385
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5 posted on 11/06/2008 2:09:11 AM PST by VU4G10
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To: ought-six

well they are conservative enough to help pass prop 8 in CA and similar laws in other states


6 posted on 11/06/2008 2:10:04 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: rabscuttle385
"Live by the naked, shameless pander; die by the naked, shameless pander." ;)
7 posted on 11/06/2008 2:10:10 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (G-d watch over and protect Sarah Palin and her family.)
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To: DooDahhhh

he doesn’t have to connect. His job is simple: just give out checks to people.

Republicans don’t have it so easy so they have to connect and have ideas and solve problems.


8 posted on 11/06/2008 2:12:27 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: ari-freedom
"well they are conservative enough to help pass prop 8 in CA and similar laws in other states"

Good for the social conservatives, the libertarian types like me are still annoyed with the whole "taking other people's money through the government."

9 posted on 11/06/2008 2:12:38 AM PST by mbennett203 ("Bulrog, a tough brute ninja who has dedicated his life to eradicating the world from hippies.")
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To: ought-six

Bush also pandered to them...so why did he win more than mccain?


10 posted on 11/06/2008 2:13:52 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: mbennett203

well other libertarians want open borders and amnesty.


11 posted on 11/06/2008 2:15:31 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: ari-freedom

Where do you pick up these free handouts? I am in Washington and can leave anytime to do it.


12 posted on 11/06/2008 2:15:44 AM PST by DooDahhhh (AMEN)
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13 posted on 11/06/2008 2:16:50 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: rabscuttle385

This is the kind of thing that will guilt the spineless wonders with Reid and Pelosi to pass amnesty for illegal aliens. Yes, I know that all illegal aliens are not Hispanic, Mexican, Cuban and come from all over the world. However, the majority do in fact come from South of the border and we have had amnesty before and it didn’t stop illegal aliens. You combine that with Cuban refugees getting special treatment—Communist or not—that’s the way many see it and millions who in fact try their best to enter the country legally from all over the world and do everything asked of them but get overlooked, passed up and it gets more not fair. Then you have people and I know one from Nigeria who has a UK and a Nigerian passport and whose wife is a Tanzanian. This guy has family in the USA. He sends his wife to Texas each time during month 8 of a pregnancy and induces labor and returns so his kids can have an American passport and so this family is situated to get into any country they want. He has done this four times now since I have known him. He openly brags about it and abuses the system and points out to me that the USA is the only western country that has birthright citzenship. And you get employers who sidestep hiring Americans or looking for legal workers since it is harder to do so when you can just drive down to the local labor hall and hire illegals, abuse them and pay them crappy wages and not have to comply with the paperwork that the American government requires and various states require. The Democrats and MSM are lumping these illegal alien issues with Latino voters and their issues believing that it will buy the Latino vote for the Democratic party for the next fifty years. They are not trying to address the needs of the Latino voters who are American citizens or address the problems of illegal aliens as opposed to lawful immigration. The system is breaking and we can’t afford it and we can’t employ our own (many of our own who are Latino can’t even get jobs). Charity begins at home. We should take care of our own first. The economy along with people blinded by race is why McCain lost. And amnesty which did not work before will only make the economy worse. And notice how if anyone speaks up, the MSM warps it to say that we are racists or they are starving (like our own are not) or the majority want immigration reform meaning in their minds amnesty and not border control and notice how they don’t address the needs of Latinos or anyone else. They lump it all together just like the Democratic party does believing by doing so the Latino vote is taken for granted for the next fifty years.


14 posted on 11/06/2008 2:26:37 AM PST by volslover
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To: ought-six
Well, you know the OBL's are going to argue that McCain was doing fine with Hispanics until he "pandered" to the GOP on the subject of immigration, and went back on some of his positions.

If he had hung tough on driver's licenses and no fence, I wonder how well he'd have done? Ahhh, now there is the $64,000 question.

Something Bush and Rove pushed was the immigration thing, and they knew they were going against the Party for the benefit of employers of illegals. That is 100% the story there. Their "talking point" about getting 40% splits of the Hispanic vote was a cock-and-bull story. They were getting their splits from Central Americans, South Americans, and Cubanos -- not Mexicans, who are the principal group in this equation.

Mexicans are hard-core socialists, PRD- and PRI- raised and educated. Relatively few come from the northern Mexican states that give you a PAN background and a decent split of votes -- on issues that don't have anything to do with immigration.

That "racist" stuff was always LaRaza/NALEO propaganda, and someone needs to stand up and pants it.

15 posted on 11/06/2008 2:34:54 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: ari-freedom

The only silver lining in this cloud is that we do not have McCain reaching across Pennsylvania avenue for four years.


16 posted on 11/06/2008 2:36:03 AM PST by screaminsunshine
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To: rabscuttle385

My tag line says it all. McCain and all the other GOP Shamnesty supporters were stupid to think that by granting illegal immigrants amnesty, that Hispanic voters would flock to the GOP. Hispanic U.S. citizens resent illegals as much as whites and blacks.


17 posted on 11/06/2008 2:40:55 AM PST by TommyDale (I) (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: screaminsunshine

he’ll be in the senate working with obama on a new immigration bill :/


18 posted on 11/06/2008 2:42:48 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: TommyDale
McCain and all the other GOP Shamnesty supporters were stupid to think that by granting illegal immigrants amnesty, that Hispanic voters would flock to the GOP. Hispanic U.S. citizens resent illegals as much as whites and blacks.
Well said, although I still voted for the lesser of 2 evils.. :/
19 posted on 11/06/2008 2:45:29 AM PST by Bikkuri
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To: rabscuttle385
The 'fence' aside. . .he was in favor of not punishing those already here; those who showed 'good intentions' and whom were already employed. . .a message that was soon squelched on behalf of more conserative voices; his message distorted by MSM as yes, the financial boondoggle of which had more Demrat fingerprints on it that one could reasonably count but the owner's of such; blamed all on Bush.

And McCain did not go after the worst of the culprits. . .criminals or for that matter; demand redress.

20 posted on 11/06/2008 2:47:41 AM PST by cricket (America's Freedom Rings! T hank You ~ U..S.A. Military~)
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To: ari-freedom

Yeah, this guy always irritated me : )


21 posted on 11/06/2008 2:47:47 AM PST by DooDahhhh (AMEN)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Well, you know the OBL’s are going to argue that McCain was doing fine with Hispanics until he “pandered” to the GOP on the subject of immigration, and went back on some of his positions.

well that probably ticked off both camps who saw him as trying to have it both ways. Nobody wants a dancer and so much for straight talk.


22 posted on 11/06/2008 2:48:09 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: rabscuttle385

You can’t say McCain hasn’t tried to give America away to them


23 posted on 11/06/2008 2:50:05 AM PST by bmwcyle (Primary support for McCain and Huck showed complete stupidity)
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To: cricket
The 'fence' aside. . .he was in favor of not punishing those already here; those who showed 'good intentions' and whom were already employed. . .

The reason we are in this situation is because idiots like John McCain, George W. Bush, Barack Obama, and others tacitly (and in some cases overtly) refused to enforce validly enacted immigration laws.

Enforce the damn law...or risk the death of the rule of law, and at that point, who the hell needs Congress critters and Senators!

24 posted on 11/06/2008 2:50:31 AM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" --Patrick Henry)
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To: ari-freedom
well they are conservative enough to help pass prop 8 in CA and similar laws in other states

Hmmm, socially conservative socialists?

Come to think of it, that's the value cluster that pretty well defines the old Federalists -- "monarchists without the king" -- like Hamilton.

So, why didn't they support McCain?

Dems must have done a better job pandering economically -- and speaking Spanish at rallies and waving Mexican flags and repudiating the United States, its people and culture. That might appeal.

25 posted on 11/06/2008 2:52:55 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Bikkuri
Have a 'housekeeper' 'illegal' and here for thirteen years and non-voting; owns her home etc. She is a good, hard-working person; as was her husband; who has now been deported. . .and both share a wonderful family; fine children etc. All of whom are threatened by latest turn of events.

Anyway; to my larger point here; she offered that Obama frightened her; that she watched the debates and did not trust him because he never really answered the questions put to him. She did not like the 'adulation'. She said that she has seen 'Obama grafitti' that warns of 'Obama bin Biden'. ..

She still does not understand how/why so many American's think he is good for America.

26 posted on 11/06/2008 2:56:12 AM PST by cricket (America's Freedom Rings! T hank You ~ U..S.A. Military~)
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To: Bikkuri

I voted for the ticket, only because of Sarah Palin. If she had not been the nominee (or someone of similar conservative values) I would not have voted for the GOP candidates.


27 posted on 11/06/2008 2:56:49 AM PST by TommyDale (I) (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: lentulusgracchus

because mccain doesn’t know how to make the case for fiscal conservatism to hispanics as well as blacks, single moms, union members, himself...
Joe the plumber was too little too late. We had such a long campaign. Where was Jose the plumber?


28 posted on 11/06/2008 2:57:45 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: ari-freedom
well that probably ticked off both camps who saw him as trying to have it both ways. Nobody wants a dancer and so much for straight talk.

Yeah, that's tough to do.

Probably has something to do with why Barry Goldwater said more than once, that Richard Nixon was the most dishonest man he'd ever met in his life, and Barry had no use for him.

Nixon was a career negotiator and adjuster and nuance-nodder. He also went back on his Republican principles to do wage and price controls in 1971 -- although going to Peking, in retrospect, was probably a good idea.

Still, all the praise from the chattering classes for China and wage-and-price controls bought him what exactly, when Watergate broke?

29 posted on 11/06/2008 2:59:42 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: rabscuttle385

Note to all illegal immigrant sucking up candidates... it’s pointless and only ticks us off.


30 posted on 11/06/2008 3:04:13 AM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: rabscuttle385

So I guess his very very stupid support for amnesty didn’t do too much to help him with illegals and latinos.
Hear that John you stupid?


31 posted on 11/06/2008 3:07:35 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: TommyDale
I voted for the ticket, only because of Sarah Palin. If she had not been the nominee (or someone of similar conservative values) I would not have voted for the GOP candidates.
I also like Palin. I myself am from Texas and to answer your prior post, I worked on a ranch there in Texas many years. I know, back when I was younger.. many many years ago, that the illegals I knew that worked on the ranch where I did were very hard workers.. but in the last couple of decades, everything has been going downhill. Not pointing fingers, but I despise people that CAN work, but refuse to because they know that they can sit on the couch watching Opra or Springer and get welfare checks. That, of course, not directed at the illegals, but any and all people that want everything given to them. Sorry, maybe I went a little overboard there.....
32 posted on 11/06/2008 3:15:25 AM PST by Bikkuri
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To: lentulusgracchus

well...at least mccain did better than goldwater. So much for Arizona


33 posted on 11/06/2008 3:33:31 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: ari-freedom

McClame will be the Republican cover they need to pass the BS liberal bills. The MSM will love him again. They will blame Sarah for everything.


34 posted on 11/06/2008 3:33:34 AM PST by screaminsunshine
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To: rabscuttle385

Unlike the usually monolithic black vote, hispanics tend to be quite a bit more diversified in philosophy. Very few Americans of hispanic heritage want the Mexican invasion to continue any more than I do.


35 posted on 11/06/2008 3:41:33 AM PST by ByteMercenary (9-11: supported everywhere by followers of the the cult of islam.)
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To: rabscuttle385
“John McCain’s campaign was fatally wounded by the financial meltdown that took an essentially tied race in mid-September to a decisive Obama victory on election day. Without the financial crisis, I believe John McCain would have equaled or exceeded George W. Bush’s 2004 support of two out of five Latino voters.”

That defies logic. McCain and Obama voted for the bailout bill. Unless the author is claiming that latinos are blaming McCain for the problem it's an illogical argument.

McCain NEVER had a majority of latinos. He's not socialist enough for them. Barack is.

36 posted on 11/06/2008 3:43:50 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: rabscuttle385

I think it’s true that it was the economic stuff that scared Latino voters, but I also think the GOP has to work hard to change its image as being the party that hates Hispanics. That is the image the Dems are promoting, and unfortunately, they usually manage to find some GOPer who will say something that backs up this image.


37 posted on 11/06/2008 3:45:28 AM PST by livius
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To: ari-freedom
Bush also pandered to them...so why did he win more than mccain?

Because he promised them a "new America". One like the one they left behind.

We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture.

Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende.

For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America.

Our future cannot be separated from the future of Latin America.

As I speak, we are celebrating the success of democracy in Mexico.

George Bush from a campaign speech in Miami, August 2000.

You can read the speech here.

Here is an excerpt of a good critique of that speech:

In equating our intimate historic bonds to our mother country and to Canada with our ties to Mexico, W. shows a staggering ignorance of the civilizational facts of life. The reason we are so close to Britain and Canada is that we share with them a common historical culture, language, literature, and legal system, as well as similar standards of behavior, expectations of public officials, and so on. My Bush Epiphany By Lawrence Auster

38 posted on 11/06/2008 3:49:15 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: ari-freedom
Har, Har. (That was McCain-Kennedy’s immigration reform laughing all the way to the democrat's illegal alien/illegal foreign donated money bank.)

Seriously, a Washington insider position didn't matter much with (new) Mexican voters (er, immigrant). Most have not been here long enough to notice: BUT they DO vote according to THEIR local culture and THEIR local political neighborhood leaders. Who were “community organized” very effectively.

Notice that the Spanish language stations didn't even CARRY the republican convention and its speeches.

39 posted on 11/06/2008 4:02:46 AM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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After looking at the preliminary numbers yesterday, I'm beginning to believe the switchover in the Hispanic vote was a large part of McCain's loss...

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How long till Obama throws Hispanics under the bus?

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40 posted on 11/06/2008 4:26:53 AM PST by bcsco (Liberals don't understand, it's impossible to pick up a turd-like Obama-by the clean end...)
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To: ari-freedom

Because Bush wasn’t running against someone who the MSM refused to vet or investigate, and who also outright covered and lied for.


41 posted on 11/06/2008 4:40:17 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Apparently in 2009 we learned what you need to garner latino support:

Drop all borders

Free Healthcare for all illegals

Drivers Licenses for all illegals

Need I go on?


42 posted on 11/06/2008 4:49:11 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Little known fact: Barack Obama translated into Kenyan means "Jimmy Carter")
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To: Red in Blue PA

2009=2008


43 posted on 11/06/2008 4:49:29 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Little known fact: Barack Obama translated into Kenyan means "Jimmy Carter")
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To: rabscuttle385
The latins voted against him.The 527’s that he created smeared him. His “Friends” in the media stabbed him in the back, the front and everywhere>. Now, John do you know which side your bread is buttered on?
44 posted on 11/06/2008 4:51:13 AM PST by bilhosty
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To: rabscuttle385

So much for Latino immigrants being social conservatives and natural born Republicans. They voted for an uber abortion candidate. So much for Catholicism. White Catholics not much better....... But supposedly the Hispanic Catholic faith is deeper and more heartfelt


45 posted on 11/06/2008 4:53:51 AM PST by dennisw (Never bet on Islam! ::::: Never bet on a false prophet!)
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To: rabscuttle385; wardaddy; kellynla

And the open border RINO Quisings promised us that Hispandering was the road to victory.


46 posted on 11/06/2008 4:55:55 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: bilhosty
The latins voted against him.The 527’s that he created smeared him. His “Friends” in the media stabbed him in the back, the front and everywhere>. Now, John do you know which side your bread is buttered on?

McCain screwed himself with idiotic free speech killing McCain-Feingold
George Soros loves 527s. They have increased his power so much that his stooge John Podesta is heading Hussein's transition team. Podesta ran a Soros 527..... American Progress I think

47 posted on 11/06/2008 4:58:23 AM PST by dennisw (Never bet on Islam! ::::: Never bet on a false prophet!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Too many people are looking for the handouts that obama promised them.

They voted for greed, not values.


48 posted on 11/06/2008 5:00:42 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ByteMercenary
Unlike the usually monolithic black vote, hispanics tend to be quite a bit more diversified in philosophy. Very few Americans of hispanic heritage want the Mexican invasion to continue any more than I do.

UNTRUE
Hispanic legal immigrants are the enabling network and employers for the illegals and often have illegal aliens in their nuclear and/or extended families. Do you really think they want cousin Tito to be sent back to Mexico?

This especially applies to the Hispanics who got here in the last 25 years.
Idiots like McCain and Bush taught them our immigration laws means shit

49 posted on 11/06/2008 5:06:50 AM PST by dennisw (Never bet on Islam! ::::: Never bet on a false prophet!)
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To: rabscuttle385

McCain got shellacked because Obama outspent him 8 to 1 $650m to $80m. He should not have gone for Federal financing. Reagan would have lost if he had been outspent 8 to 1.


50 posted on 11/06/2008 5:21:07 AM PST by Zhang Fei
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