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Ohio voter turnout falls short of expectations (Less not More: Did conservatives stay home?)
Ohio.com ^ | Nov 05, 2008 | Stephen Majors

Posted on 11/06/2008 5:52:55 AM PST by xzins

COLUMBUS: Ohio's 2008 presidential election was memorable for what it wasn't: controversial, plagued by problems, record-setting, crucial to winning the White House.

After partisan bickering that set the stage for controversy, and the persistent memories of failures in 2004, the 2008 presidential election was extremely quiet in Ohio on Tuesday with few problems reported.

However, despite balmy weather with temperatures in the 70s, turnout looked likely to fall significantly below the 80 percent mark that had been projected. There was a chance it had not even hit the 72 percent mark reached in 2004, which set a record in Ohio for a presidential election. Turnout reports ranged as high as 86 percent in Perry County, while many counties hovered in the 60s and low 70s.

Despite having clinched President Bush's re-election in 2004, Ohio simply played a supporting role in 2008, as Democrat Barack Obama won the presidency with relative ease.

Still, the race for the Ohio's 20 electoral votes was tight. According to unofficial results, Obama won by about 200,400 votes out of 4.5 million cast. Bush had won Ohio by about 118,000 votes out of more than 5.5 million cast four years ago.

The campaigns of both Obama and Republican John McCain campaigns said they were satisfied with how things went across the state.

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Despite intense interest in a historic election, Ohio voter turnout for the 2008 presidential election likely fell short of the 2004 race.

Ohio’s turnout stood at nearly 5.6 million voters late Wednesday, about 67 percent.

The number accounts for full Election Day counts from all 88 counties, except Franklin, where 99.88 percent of precincts had reported. It also does not include about 60,000 uncounted absentee ballots and about 154,000 uncounted provisional ballots statewide.

Roughly 5.7 million registered voters – or 72 percent – voted in the 2004 election that clinched President Bush’s re-election.

Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner had predicted 80 percent turnout for this year’s election.

Ohio’s record was 77 percent in the 1992 election, when about 5 million voted in the election that gave Bill Clinton the presidency.

1 posted on 11/06/2008 5:52:55 AM PST by xzins
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To: All; P-Marlowe

there was a suggestion on Ohio’s major radio station, wlw700, this morning that conservatives stayed home.

Interesting.


2 posted on 11/06/2008 5:53:50 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: xzins

Maybe the conservatives thought that the Obamites cheated so much that there was no way their votes would count, so why bother.


3 posted on 11/06/2008 5:55:16 AM PST by madison10
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To: xzins

When the Democrats win, all claims of “irregularities” go out the window. Al Franken lost, therefore he litigates.


4 posted on 11/06/2008 5:55:19 AM PST by weegee (Global Warming Change? Fight Global Socialist CHANGE.)
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To: xzins
I think exit polling has already said a large amount of conservatives stayed home.
5 posted on 11/06/2008 5:55:46 AM PST by org.whodat ( "the Whipped Dog Party" , what was formally the republicans.)
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To: xzins

Black Panthers maybe??


6 posted on 11/06/2008 5:55:50 AM PST by FLDemocracker
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To: xzins

“Despite intense interest in a historic election”

EVERY election is historic. EVERY ONE OF THEM determines the future of this nation.


7 posted on 11/06/2008 5:56:47 AM PST by weegee (Global Warming Change? Fight Global Socialist CHANGE.)
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To: xzins

So, if OH and other swing states were only won by small margins, our task in winning back the voting populace is very ‘do-able.’ The media will paint this as a giant victory and move to the left, when it is more of just a normal swing of the pendulum. Now the opposition party is in charge, and has to take the blame for everything.


8 posted on 11/06/2008 5:57:05 AM PST by ilgipper
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To: xzins
What they are not saying...

Voters stayed home? Maybe, but not likely due to dissatisfaction with McCain choice.

Voters stayed home because their concerns over voter fraud were pushed aside by Brunner. Brunner’s actions disenfranchised thousands of voters.

Believe me even I thought about not bothering to vote given the situation of not being able to cross check new registrations or the fact Brunner had instructed the counties to give regular ballots to mismatched registrations at the polls.

9 posted on 11/06/2008 5:59:15 AM PST by EBH (The Day the Music Died)
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To: madison10

I thought about that, too. It makes sense. If it’s true that 200,000 fraudulent votes were in the kitty ahead of time, it makes it seem unwinnable, doesn’t it?

As it was, Ohio was only 200,000 votes separating McCain and Obama.

I think the dems ran a huge vote suppression campaign through their media, pollsters, state officials, and even duped McCain campaign workers.

McCain, however, NEVER got his organization in Ohio off the ground.

Bush/Cheney/Rove ran an infinitely better organization and ground game.


10 posted on 11/06/2008 6:01:23 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: EBH

Voters stayed home because their concerns over voter fraud were pushed aside by Brunner. Brunner’s actions disenfranchised thousands of voters.

now that I can understand


11 posted on 11/06/2008 6:02:03 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: xzins
I'm sure conservatives in Ohio are some of the most depressed in the nation.

Why vote when cheating is rampant and people aren't even required to show ID?

The MSM harping on how the election was lost to McCain for the the 4 days before Nov. 4 significantly depressed the national conservative vote as well...I'm sure of it.

12 posted on 11/06/2008 6:02:10 AM PST by what's up
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To: EBH

Believe me, even I thought about not bothering to vote.

Given the situation of not being able to cross check new registrations or the fact Brunner had instructed the counties to give regular ballots to mismatched registrations at the polls.

It needed a breath in there!


13 posted on 11/06/2008 6:02:24 AM PST by EBH (The Day the Music Died)
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To: xzins
From Breitbart.com:

About 200K Ohio voters have records discrepancies

Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner estimated that an initial review found that about 200,000 newly registered voters reported information that did not match motor-vehicle or Social Security records, Brunner spokesman Kevin Kidder said. Some discrepancies could be as simple as a misspelling, while others could be more significant.
Emphasis mine

Ms. Brunner did her job of delivering Ohio to Obama. Her master will be pleased. She is now privileged to lick his boots.

14 posted on 11/06/2008 6:03:53 AM PST by reegs
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To: EBH

I did not stay home, but I was dissatisfied with the choice. McCain ran a totally lackluster campaign ORGANIZATION here in Ohio. He insulted and then exiled conservative friendlies such as Bill Cunningham.

If he hadn’t had Palin, I’m sure he would have been slaughtered in Ohio.


15 posted on 11/06/2008 6:03:54 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: org.whodat

What is up with these conservatives who attempt to be so elite and above the rest of us. If they did stay home, I hope they and their families enjoy watching our country become a Socialist/Marxist state.


16 posted on 11/06/2008 6:04:21 AM PST by kate06
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To: xzins

Something screwy happened.

Michigan usually only goes democrat with about 10 heavily populated counties voting democrat. This year it was closer to 40 counties. We also tend to go conservative with ballot initiatives but approved stem cell research and medical marijuana this time out. Our fairly reliably conservative 7th district also went democrat with the most conservative county being the one to vote democrat.

It was a combination of fraud and conservatives staying home.


17 posted on 11/06/2008 6:04:27 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: ari-freedom

and do you think any of the McCain lawyers or GOP lawyers etc. will bother to pursue this...?


18 posted on 11/06/2008 6:05:42 AM PST by EBH (The Day the Music Died)
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To: weegee

Franken: I think, therefore I sue..............


19 posted on 11/06/2008 6:05:53 AM PST by Red Badger (Hey! Look on the bright side! At least Joe Biden is out of the Senate!..........)
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To: xzins

I was disgusted by McCain but I finally choked back my bile and voted for him. I was the only voter in the place when I went at around 2 PM.


20 posted on 11/06/2008 6:06:02 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: kate06

You need to ask the people in OHIO, I don’t live there.


21 posted on 11/06/2008 6:06:17 AM PST by org.whodat ( "the Whipped Dog Party" , what was formally the republicans.)
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To: ilgipper
So, if OH and other swing states were only won by small margins, our task in winning back the voting populace is very ‘do-able.’

15,000 in NC
26,000 in IN
95,000 in FL
153,000 in CO
156,000 in VA
205,000 in OH

22 posted on 11/06/2008 6:06:30 AM PST by icwhatudo (PALIN VID=========>>>>>http://www.overstream.net/view.php?oid=n1ronxelmtin<++++++++)
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To: kate06

Some might have stayed home because they didn’t consider McCain a conservative. I have no problem with principled stands.

Some have suggested here that the SoS’s permitting fraud could have made others think it was hopeless.

I suppose some bought the “it’s all over” line from the media and its pollsters.


23 posted on 11/06/2008 6:06:54 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: xzins
Did conservatives stay home?

If they did, they are idiots. But I rather suspect that voter fraud had a lot more to do with Obama's taking Ohio than conservatives staying home.

24 posted on 11/06/2008 6:07:40 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: EBH
Aren't there some Republicans around in Ohio, big enough to plant a size 13 in Brunner's backside?

Can't someone sue for injunctive relief on her ballot decision? Surely the Obaminoids aren't so firmly in charge that they could just wave away complaints like that.

25 posted on 11/06/2008 6:07:51 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: xzins

Conservatives didn’t have anything to vote for. It’s never easy to get people to come out and vote against anything and conservatives are naturally optimistic people who need something positive to vote for.
McCain wasn’t all that different than Obama. Cap and trade? problems with excessive profits? Greedy Wall Street profits? Reign in corporate CEO pay? No drilling in a barren wasteland?
If you can find one conservative economic principle in McCain’s original ideas, that’ll be the first.

People preferred him to Hillary but he ran against Obama and that was the problem.


26 posted on 11/06/2008 6:08:02 AM PST by newnhdad (The longest of journeys begins with one step. see ya on the gas lines..)
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To: xzins

I think you covered it.


27 posted on 11/06/2008 6:08:26 AM PST by org.whodat ( "the Whipped Dog Party" , what was formally the republicans.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Just look it all up on FR! They took it to the Supreme Court and got screwed!

Now even a flippin’ park bench is an address! http://dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/28/ajudgerule.html?sid=101

And this! Elections officials cannot challenge voters on Election Day or reject absentee ballots based solely on discrepancies from verifying new voter registrations, Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner said yesterday in directives to counties.http://www.columbusdispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/23/no_challenge.ART_ART_10-23-08_B1_E3BM90B.html?sid=101


28 posted on 11/06/2008 6:10:01 AM PST by EBH (The Day the Music Died)
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To: newnhdad
People preferred him to Hillary but he ran against Obama and that was the problem.

Actually I agree with Rush here, if Hillary had run, many conservatives would have voted for her over McCain

29 posted on 11/06/2008 6:10:12 AM PST by org.whodat ( "the Whipped Dog Party" , what was formally the republicans.)
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To: LS

Thoughts?


30 posted on 11/06/2008 6:10:13 AM PST by Thane_Banquo (President George W. Bush, RINO-in-Chief.)
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Looking at all the data, I believe McCain/Palin were going to JUST win it if the economic disaster held off a couple of months. That speaks to Obama’s WEAKNESS more than anything else. The polls cratered dramatically and I think two threads pulled loose from which they could not recover.

1) The collapse itself scared the heck out of everyone, but mainly it was the final nail in the mushy middle/RINO vote.

2) The Bailout portion was the final nail in the conservative turnout.

The object lesson in how both of Bush’s “wings” fell off in the last 3 years.

It really is a miracle McCain did as well as he did, which tells me that without those 2, he possibly was on track to win a close one. He was pulling ahead significantly in key states like OH, FL, VA and NC. It would have been close until the crash/bailout.

What that means now is that all hope isn’t lost, but it won’t be easy. Unfortunately, the GOP often learns the WRONG lessons from events like this. Someone will have to come along that can articulate the positions well enough.

I hope we won’t have to wait 8 years like the Dems did with W, and that if there is a mess for Obama, it comes early on. But pushing back in the house and senate may be just as, if not more, important that 2010. Getting ARTICULATE conservatives is key.
It takes someone special to articulate conservative economic thought in coherent sound bites.


31 posted on 11/06/2008 6:10:25 AM PST by Crimson Elephant
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To: MEGoody

But the numbers were down. A lot fewer voters than even in the last election just 4 years ago.


32 posted on 11/06/2008 6:10:26 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: xzins

Considering the amount of fraud in this election, history will show Obama’s presidency will always be questionable. I read somewhere that African Americans were voting 100% in some districts. We know about 200000 in Ohio, and the 100000 voters registered in GA, and then registered in Ohio or Florida. And in Wisconsin, there were many reports of cars with Illinois tags at the polls.

There are so many questions surrounding this election.
How, could he possibly, get so much of the Catholic vote? How, could he possibly get so much of the coal country, (OH, PA, WV) vote? Most important, why did so many stay home when they could have tried to counter this?

There are sad days ahead for our Country. God help us.


33 posted on 11/06/2008 6:11:42 AM PST by mouse1
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To: what's up

Voters in Ohio had to show a valid ID


34 posted on 11/06/2008 6:12:14 AM PST by boxerblues
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To: xzins

My question is - did they stay home? Or were their votes not counted? It’s already been shown that Ohio was one of their targets for massive voter fraud. Is it possible that their votes were not even counted?


35 posted on 11/06/2008 6:12:54 AM PST by alicewonders
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To: Crimson Elephant; P-Marlowe

The timing of the crash/bailout deserves study. Could it have been coincidence? Sure.

However, it was also at a critical part in an election campaign. Could it have been politically expedient to have it announced when it was? Yes, it certainly hurt. And the fact that they were able to hold off that “critical need” for money is evidence that it did NOT have to be announced when it was.

Heck, they’re still trying to get banks to quit sitting on the money they were supposedly desperate to get their hands on.


36 posted on 11/06/2008 6:15:13 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: icwhatudo

The margin should make us work hard on new registrations. Rather paying 100 to 150 dollars for this consultants, we need to invest more on the lower level foot soldiers. For example, paying 20 to 25 dollars an hour will be a good incentive for people to be responsible and motivated to work. You pay 10 dollars like moveon.org,it will be ACORN again.

Bottom line, we cannot just depend on radio talk shows and fox news to deliver the election. We need stronger, LOCAL organization.


37 posted on 11/06/2008 6:16:38 AM PST by Ranjit
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To: xzins

Could it be because there were no social issues on the ballot and those issues were not emphasized by the McCain campaign?


38 posted on 11/06/2008 6:16:39 AM PST by Rumierules
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To: xzins
-"...did conservatives stay home?"

Yes - and here's why.

39 posted on 11/06/2008 6:18:04 AM PST by LibFreeUSA
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To: Ranjit

Bottom line, we cannot just depend on radio talk shows and fox news to deliver the election. We need stronger, LOCAL organization.
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Agreed. And local organization cannot wait until a moderate candidate selects an exciting running mate. How about a strong conservative from the get go?


40 posted on 11/06/2008 6:18:44 AM PST by Rumierules
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To: what's up

it was frustrating, but at least in SW Ohio, turnout was high - except for Steve Chabot’s race.


41 posted on 11/06/2008 6:19:30 AM PST by Blogger
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To: xzins
The timing of the crash/bailout deserves study. Could it have been coincidence? Sure.

I suspect that if McCain had voted against the bailout, that he would have won this election. But he panicked and mortgaged our future, like the rest of the RINOs. On ecomomics the only difference between Obama's economic plan and McCains, was that Obama had a plan.

42 posted on 11/06/2008 6:19:38 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: xzins; LS
I live in Putnam County, in the very conservative western part of Ohio. Turnout here was on pace with 2004, but McCain got nearly 20% fewer votes than did President Bush. The same pattern was apparent all across the GOP counties in Ohio.

Conservatives turned out, but some crossed over or just didn't vote for McCain. And, he has only himself to blame; his campaign was disorganized and lacked the efficiency and passion of the Bush 2004 effort.

I still thought McCain would win, and I know LS can tell you that they were thrilled with the heavy turnout in the GOP precincts of bellwether counties, until they started counting the votes. :) Then they saw McCain's chances evaporate with a large crossover vote.

43 posted on 11/06/2008 6:20:31 AM PST by TonyInOhio (The people have spoken, the bastards.)
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To: All

Conservatives’ votes were depressed and suppressed. The media destroyed their will to vote. GW Bush got more national votes than Obama. Obviously McCain did not appeal to conservatives and he never tried to. He stuck a thumb in their (our) eye at all key milestones (e.g. immigration, cap & trade, drilling esp. in ANWAR, campaign finance “reform”, judges [Gang of 14], education, military strategery [always on Rumsfeld’s butt], etc etc.).

I voted, but McCain was just not a sure fire draw. Maybe Romney was but the media raped him over his religion. Maybe Huckabee was but the media would have trashed him too, just as they did Palin.


44 posted on 11/06/2008 6:20:35 AM PST by shalom aleichem
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To: xzins

Well, Schumer made some odd comments earlier in the year, Fannie and Freddie were Dem to the core, and Soros, Buffet, Gates, Paulson were all Obamabots. It isn’t that they caused the bubble for this to happen, but they COULD have tried to control WHEN it popped. If they knew it was going to happen in the next 6 months...why not help it along?

MASSIVE shorting of financial companies sped this up, otherwise they could have hung in there longer. Just a matter of timing.


45 posted on 11/06/2008 6:21:45 AM PST by Crimson Elephant
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To: Rumierules

Nationally, McCain did not touch conservative issues in any real sense.

Abortion
Marriage
Guns
Vouchers
Self-sufficiency

Where were they?


46 posted on 11/06/2008 6:22:25 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: xzins
Did conservatives stay home?

More likely the tens of thousands of bogus and multiple time Acorn registrants either did not show up or only voted once.

47 posted on 11/06/2008 6:24:04 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Rumierules

Amen to your ideas. Look, I am from North Carolina. If I am the Senator Richar Burr, who will be running for reelection in 2010, he needs to get his butt off and start organizing at local levels. For god sake, we lost North Carolina because of just 3 counties. In most of this counties, there was not even a precinct chairman and the vote margins was 75% to 25%. If you are a democrat, you work on three counties and you win the whole state.

We need to do the reverse engineering. Get into these heavy democrat counties and reduce the margin by 15 to 20%. It is not rocket science.


48 posted on 11/06/2008 6:25:44 AM PST by Ranjit
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To: Rumierules
How about a strong conservative from the get go?

The system we used favored the moderate. Too many conservatives had them splitting the vote, and when added with the winner-take-all system, that meant they slowly had to drop out.

Better a system of primary delegates apportioned proportionally state-by-state. They'd still be splitting the vote, but they wouldn't be getting so far behind, either.

A conservative caucus within the party would also help. They would endorse up to only 2 or 3 true conservative candidates per primary season.

49 posted on 11/06/2008 6:27:18 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: xzins

Trust me, it will work out if conservative like Bobby Jindal gets into the primaries. When there is a real conservative, primaries will be over soon. People like him have huge organizational skills and work in building the party at local levels.


50 posted on 11/06/2008 6:31:07 AM PST by Ranjit
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