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GOP Defeat and the 'New Tone'
American Thinker ^ | November 6, 2008 | C. Edmund Wright

Posted on 11/06/2008 5:58:24 AM PST by ncphinsfan

Tuesday's debacle was some 8 years in the making. Or more.

Consider: Eight years ago, George Bush rode into town from Texas with one thing on his mind: bringing a "new tone to Washington." He was going to use his Texas charm and drawl to end all of the partisan bickering. This was a tad dispiriting to t some of us who had supported him frankly. We were thinking more along the lines of some partisan victories in congress to roll back some liberalism. Actually, only Bush wanted a new tone. Neither his supporters nor his opponents had even the vaguest interest in it, dooming it from the start.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: conservatism; newtone
Great, great read which captures my sentiments better than I could have ever articulated them.
1 posted on 11/06/2008 5:58:24 AM PST by ncphinsfan
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To: ncphinsfan

Bush never should have thought he could work with the Democrats. He should have worked to destroy them.


2 posted on 11/06/2008 6:03:11 AM PST by FightThePower! (Fight the powers that be!)
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To: ncphinsfan

Bush didn’t stand up for himself and us. Neither did McLame. Neither did the GOP.


3 posted on 11/06/2008 6:05:42 AM PST by itsthejourney (mtbopfuyn has risen from the ashes)
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To: ncphinsfan
-"Reagan, on the other hand, carried the independents by convincing them...

he was right

,... not that he was one of them."

THIS - IN A NUTSHELL - IS THE BLOW TO THE 'NAIL ON THE HEAD!

4 posted on 11/06/2008 6:14:33 AM PST by LibFreeUSA
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To: itsthejourney
Bush didn’t stand up for himself and us. Neither did McLame. Neither did the GOP.

Yup.

Last night, Fred Barnes said that the McCain campaign didn't didn't have the healthcare and education plans to compete with Obama's... and that they would have to “address this” for the next election. I just about puked my supper!

5 posted on 11/06/2008 6:16:16 AM PST by johnny7 ("Duck I says... ")
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To: johnny7
Last night, Fred Barnes said that the McCain campaign didn't didn't have the healthcare and education plans to compete with Obama's... and that they would have to “address this” for the next election. I just about puked my supper!

Agreed!!!

6 posted on 11/06/2008 6:20:36 AM PST by org.whodat ( "the Whipped Dog Party" , what was formally the republicans.)
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To: itsthejourney

The only fight Bush wanted was overseas in the desert. He rarely defended his own party or constituency.


7 posted on 11/06/2008 6:23:04 AM PST by biff
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To: ncphinsfan

“We will never beat it back until the watered down bi-partisans are flushed from the system. Thomas Jefferson loved partisanship. Hugo Chavez does not. That should tell us all we need to know about this flawed path our party has been on for many years. Tuesday, our aisle reaching chickens came home to roost”

BINGO!! great morning coffee read. Thanks for posting it. I hope our republican leadership is listening.


8 posted on 11/06/2008 6:30:56 AM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: biff
The only fight Bush wanted was overseas in the desert.

GW Bush had one major goal -- to rehabilitate his daddy's presidency in its failure to march in to Baghdad and remove Saddam Hussein during Gulf War I.

GW Bush found an excuse to march in to Baghdad and remove Saddam Hussein. The problem then arose that he could not find an exit strategy. As a result, he got bogged down in Baghdad, making the Iraq War one of the longest in our history -- and it is still going on as GW has only two months remaining in his 8-year presidency.

GW Bush tried to rehabilitate his daddy's legacy, but in failing, he may have sealed the fate of his own presidential legacy -- one of the lowest approval ratings in the history of the presidency.
9 posted on 11/06/2008 6:33:51 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: ncphinsfan
And one issue that Bush in particular and the Republicans (with some exceptions) absolutely refused to deal with was
illegal immigration. If Obama provides amnesty and fast track to citizenship, the Democrats just got 10 million new voters.
It will be difficult if not impossible for a Republican, even a RINO, to overcome that advantage. An advantage to the Democrats that may exist for 40 years or so.
10 posted on 11/06/2008 6:34:45 AM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: TomGuy
Giving liberty to 25 million people, destroying their tyrant and his sons (who deflowered young girls at will) and bringing to light the killing of over 400,000 and maiming many more not to mention a another bookend of liberty (the other being Israel) in a neighborhood of loons, is about his daddy's legacy... (sarcasm off)
11 posted on 11/06/2008 6:40:11 AM PST by taildragger (The Answer is Fred Thompson, I do not care what the question is.....)
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To: ncphinsfan

And one issue that Bush in particular and the Republicans (with some exceptions) absolutely refused to deal with was
illegal immigration. If Obama provides amnesty and fast track to citizenship, the Democrats just got 10 million new voters.
It will be difficult if not impossible for a Republican, even a RINO, to overcome that advantage. An advantage to the Democrats that may exist for 40 years or so.


12 posted on 11/06/2008 6:40:23 AM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: ncphinsfan

Awesome read.

}:-)4


13 posted on 11/06/2008 6:40:26 AM PST by Moose4 (Hey RNC. Don't move toward the middle. MOVE THE MIDDLE TOWARD YOU.)
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To: org.whodat

Barnes, Another I hope Rush purges when he starts mentioning names, he has gone full asshat in my book, bye-bye Fred....


14 posted on 11/06/2008 6:41:49 AM PST by taildragger (The Answer is Fred Thompson, I do not care what the question is.....)
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To: ncphinsfan

-—bflr—


15 posted on 11/06/2008 6:48:29 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: ncphinsfan

We all knew the NEW TONE was a NICE thing to THINK about....but AFTER Bush played so nice and they STILL kicked sand in his face at every turn, he should have TONED DOWN that NEW TONE. I have a feeling that LAURA, a moderate Democrat, was behind this crap.


16 posted on 11/06/2008 6:50:49 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: FightThePower!
Exactly - witness the standoff the GOP waged in the House this summer regarding drilling. THAT is precisely what our representatives should be doing for the American people - watching out for our interests, serving the people, and standing firm on our principles. Trying to compromise with Dims never works because the Dims’ idea of compromise is totally one-sided: Republicans must capitulate.
17 posted on 11/06/2008 6:51:47 AM PST by Heartland Mom ("Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: ncphinsfan
Please call GOP offices and demand that Boehner and Lee step DOWN !
Then call your favorite Repub congressman and Demand the Same !

WE need new BLOOD NOW.
Push for Michele Bachman or Anyone but These K street idiots !

18 posted on 11/06/2008 7:03:09 AM PST by ncalburt
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To: taildragger
Giving liberty to 25 million people, destroying their tyrant and his sons (who deflowered young girls at will) and bringing to light the killing of over 400,000 and maiming many more not to mention a another bookend of liberty (the other being Israel) in a neighborhood of loons, is about his daddy's legacy... (sarcasm off)

Freeing Iraq was a great thing, but the end game should have been thought out.

We were drifting after we took Iraq and did not have the guts to suppress the terrorists lest we 'offend' someone.

It became a PC war, run by the State Dept.

19 posted on 11/06/2008 7:20:08 AM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: ncphinsfan

This article does indeed capture my sentiments, too. It is absolutely SPOT ON.


20 posted on 11/06/2008 7:22:01 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Bush Sr, Bob Dole, Bush Jr, McCain...)
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To: fortheDeclaration
We were drifting after we took Iraq and did not have the guts to suppress the terrorists lest we 'offend' someone. It became a PC war, run by the State Dept.

We should have started shooting the looters on sight.

21 posted on 11/06/2008 7:23:12 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Bush Sr, Bob Dole, Bush Jr, McCain...)
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To: taildragger
Barnes, Another I hope Rush purges when he starts mentioning names, he has gone full asshat in my book, bye-bye Fred....

My I suggest that all stop watching Fox and reading the phony conservative journals, like National Review and Standard.

We can punish them by watching their ratings drop and readership dry up.

22 posted on 11/06/2008 7:23:14 AM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: itsthejourney
"Bush didn’t stand up for himself and us. Neither did McLame. Neither did the GOP."

I hate to tell you this, but it was no accident nor coincidence.

RINOs GH Bush, GW Bush, McLame, etal. are CFR Globalists First and America Last.

How else does one explain the quick, clear divisive destruction of the GOP?; Or its failure to initiate and implement ANY conservative agenda despite owning the Presidency, the Congress and Senate in 2004?; Bush's socialist policies?; Bush's and McCain's desire for Open Borders and rewarding millions of illegal invaders with amnesty?; and Bush's refusal to veto ANY socialistic programs?

Today's GOP "leadership" is a fraud and front for the elites of the New World Order - complicit with Democrats.


23 posted on 11/06/2008 7:24:05 AM PST by AC-130 Gunship (0bamaniacs: D@mning us all to a "vibrant" hell of "diversity" and Marxism.)
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To: Ann Archy
C. Edmund Wright is brilliant, because he thinks the same way I do. ;^)

I've called Bush, the 'proto-McCain for a couple of years. The new tone and reaching across the aisle are just what the then media darling 'maverick' John McCain was all about.

The new tone, meant that Bush did not defend himself, relying on the verdict of history to treat him better. Yeah, that might work for a President, but it doesn't work for his constituents, who live in the real world and have to deal with the consequences.

But it was worse than this. Bush's defenders went out there and defended his policies and his statements. Let's just take one example that have horrendous consequences. In Bush's 2003, he spoke the famous 'sixteen words':

"the British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa,"

These words were true. They were honest. They were confirmed by Mr Valerie Plame, Ambassador Joe Wilson on his trip to Niger. What did the 'New Tone' besotten George W Bush do? He allowed his defenders to go out there and defend him and defend the truth of that statemen, then he stabbed his defenders in the back and pulled the rug out from under them by apologized. That's not the worst of it. This apology gave truth to the lie that Bush lied. Later, it was evidence that Bush lied his way into the Iraq War. John Kerry and Hillary Clinton both said they were deceived into supporting the Iraq War. Bush lied, people died.

So, Bush's New Tone undermined the dominant policy of his entire Administration; the Iraq War. He handed his enemies a club to beat him and took away any incentive for his supporters to defend him. Why, for Pete's sake, defend a man, who refuses to defend himself? He doesn't believe he's worth defending.

McCain's the same. McCain's last 5 minutes of his convention acceptance speech was on the theme, 'fight with me', 'fight for America'. McCain also campaigned for 18 months on the 'I'll make them famous' theme. But then, during the campaign McCain didn't fight. He didn't name names. He didn't make anyone except Sarah Palin famous, who did fight. Palin was the only politician, Democrat or Republican, who successfully criticized Obama, who got under his skin and stuck the knife in.

McCain sure didn't attack Obama. Obama and Biden are both members of the club of the US Senate. One simply doesn't attack members of the club. Which is why McCain named names (only one time) and made no pork-barrel politician famous. He wasn't going to shake up Washington. He wasn't serious about change in Washington or wasn't serious enough to start making enemies now. McCain wouldn't defend himself and wouldn't attack his political enemies. NO more New Tone.

24 posted on 11/06/2008 7:27:52 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Barack Obama, the American Salvador Allende.)
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To: Heartland Mom
Exactly - witness the standoff the GOP waged in the House this summer regarding drilling. THAT is precisely what our representatives should be doing for the American people - watching out for our interests, serving the people, and standing firm on our principles. Trying to compromise with Dims never works because the Dims’ idea of compromise is totally one-sided: Republicans must capitulate.

Exactly!

The GOP is going to see the 'new tone' under Obama, they are going to totally ignore the GOP, like Clinton did.

That is why all this nonsense from McCain and Macdonald (Ky) are sneared at the Democrats, they don't need any help from the GOP, and are going to enact whatever agenda they want.

'Tone' is only important when the GOP is in control.

And that will not happen for a very long time.

25 posted on 11/06/2008 7:27:53 AM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: Jeff Chandler
We should have started shooting the looters on sight.

Exactly correct.

We should have let the Iraqi's that we were in charge and any acts of resistance would mean death.

When we took Germany and Japan that is exactly how we dealt with them.

There was no resistance allowed, even though the Germans did attempt some terrorist acts, they were quickly hunted down and executed by the military, no civilian courts were involved.

26 posted on 11/06/2008 7:31:25 AM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: ncphinsfan
Interesting how the McCain campaign is now scapegoating Gov Palin. Seems there is now a concerted effort to damage her for any future political consideration.

I've avoided Fox for the past few years...BUT just happened to catch Carl Cameron on Shep Smith/O'Reilly and his unnamed sources.
My IMMEDIATE IMPRESSION...Carl could be likened to a breathless, excitable, prepubescence, girl just about to bleat out the latest vicious gossip.

27 posted on 11/06/2008 7:45:01 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Interesting how the McCain campaign is now scapegoating Gov Palin. Seems there is now a concerted effort to damage her for any future political consideration. I've avoided Fox for the past few years...BUT just happened to catch Carl Cameron on Shep Smith/O'Reilly and his unnamed sources.

My IMMEDIATE IMPRESSION...Carl could be likened to a breathless, excitable, prepubescence, girl just about to bleat out the latest vicious gossip.

When I watched this, I rechecked my "GUIDE" button on the remote to make sure that I was watching FNC and not a rerun of the movie Heathers.

28 posted on 11/06/2008 8:28:21 AM PST by Ghengis (Barack Obama is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life)
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To: johnny7
barnes is liberal and he and ALL OF HIS ILK should join the dim party because the Republican party must return to the ideology that built this Nation.

LLS

29 posted on 11/06/2008 8:54:37 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (GOD, Country, Family... except when it comes to dims! I am an UMA-unity my a$$)
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To: TomGuy

I am going to help barry beat Bush’s lowest approval record... how about you?

LLS


30 posted on 11/06/2008 8:56:39 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (GOD, Country, Family... except when it comes to dims! I am an UMA-unity my a$$)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

Let’s face facts. McCain didn’t have the killer instinct necessary to win an election. Palin didn’t cost him the election, he did it to himself. I think Senators make lousy Presidential candidates in general. Too much of a club-like fraternity amongst Senators that make it hard to attack one another. Note how he was very soft on Chris Dodd’s incompetance regarding the Countrywide loan scandal and Barney Frank’s involvment w/FMFM.


31 posted on 11/06/2008 9:01:55 AM PST by princeofdarkness (Ronald Reagan- "Trust But Verify" MSM- "Report, Lie, Then Crucify")
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To: Ann Archy

“I have a feeling that LAURA, a moderate Democrat, was behind this crap.”

Is this true that Laura Bush is a mod dem?


32 posted on 11/06/2008 9:04:48 AM PST by princeofdarkness (Ronald Reagan- "Trust But Verify" MSM- "Report, Lie, Then Crucify")
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To: ncphinsfan

Why we got defeated is this — we were trying to be Democrats LIGHT. We need to rid the party of DEADWOOD, and get out and find CONSERVATIVES for congress in 2010. (I might announce in a few days, and in my speech I’m going to say that I am a CONSERVATIVE and Washington should stay out of the way. I’m goin to tell the people that I am going to Washington to lower taxes, open up markets and create jobs. I’m not going to Washington to live, be invited to parties or change my views. Heck, my wife and kids will stay in Maine so I will come back.
I am going to give the newly elected congressman (a D) fits.


33 posted on 11/06/2008 9:06:53 AM PST by MaineConservative (Obama - a new word for Anti-American)
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To: ncphinsfan

Ok. Where did we not get voters. The base or the moderates?


34 posted on 11/06/2008 9:07:47 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: ncphinsfan
I'm really happier with each election cycle. The GOP keeps shrinking as the putrescent deadwood keeps being lopped off. The RINO gangrene is disappearing. A few more election cycles, we'll finally have the party and the leadership we need. I'm having a ball! :-)

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

35 posted on 11/06/2008 1:10:19 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: ncphinsfan

bttt


36 posted on 11/06/2008 1:36:39 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: joesbucks
If we could get a viable third party...

How about a party called "Conservative Republican"--?

What if we could get Newt to run against a RINO in some Senate primary, somewhere? Wish Lindsey Graham was up for reelction in 2010.

37 posted on 11/06/2008 1:56:27 PM PST by Mamzelle (Boycott Peggy Swoonin')
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To: ncphinsfan

Bush is a nice guy, but has been wearing this around for the last 8 years.
38 posted on 11/06/2008 2:04:28 PM PST by smokingfrog ( God doesn't wear a wristwatch.)
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To: penelopesire
BINGO!! great morning coffee read. Thanks for posting it. I hope our republican leadership is listening.

Our leadership is precisely why we are in this mes, we need to stop waiting for leaders and lead ourselves. There is no Reagan out there. He left us principles, work on them. Last time I looked Reagan was dead. We can't wait for leaders, that's like waiting for a messiah. We the grass roots need to take charge and organize. We have to sack the sh*ts at the top and replace them from the grass roots. We need a purge, from the county level and up. Conservatives need to do to the republican party what the left did to the democrats, infiltrate from the bottom and take it over. Stop wasting time on bluebloods and lackeys in washington whose only interest is getting invited to cocktail parties.

39 posted on 11/06/2008 4:19:49 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Cacique

Could not agree more but I was referring to our ‘elected leaders’. They need to be ousted. For instance, I would like to see Mike Pence put in the House Minority leadership role..a new RNC chairman with guts and spine...etc.

Your point is well taken and it is time for us to start a Conservative Congressional Committee PAC, so that when the Rinos try to oust our guys, we are ready with sources of money to support them.

I see an epic battle ahead for the future of our party.


40 posted on 11/06/2008 4:34:41 PM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: goldstategop
LOL!

Did you happen to "catch" ROVE and his take on the RNC problem? According to him, the Republican party is now the party of the south... even eluded to the red/blue map. Either the south has increased her boundaries, or he is color blind.

I got the feeling Rove was really talking about that conservative base... the one they keep trying to sweep under the rug and shut up. That radical end that won't budge left... in this leftward drift. He kept talking about how the RNC had to rethink it's platform... or something like that. idiot

41 posted on 11/06/2008 9:10:22 PM PST by exhaustedmomma (Way to go BARNEY!!)
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