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Obama: Bringing (Some) Evangelicals In
TIME ^ | November 5, 2008 | Amy Sullivan

Posted on 11/06/2008 5:58:46 AM PST by NYer

James Dobson may be the only Evangelical whose Sunday school teacher apparently never warned him to be careful what he prayed for. Two weeks before Election Day, the Focus on the Family founder chatted with Sarah Palin on his radio show and shared his backup plan for the struggling GOP ticket. He was, Dobson told her, praying for "God's intervention" and that "God's perfect will be done on November the 4th."

Unless Dobson has undergone a dramatic political conversion, it's safe to assume he does not consider Barack Obama's election on Tuesday to be divinely ordained. In June, Dobson delivered a furious broadside against the Democrat, charging that he was "deliberately distorting the traditional understanding of the Bible to fit his own world view." And yet in a year in which the economy mattered more than social issues for most voters, Obama's comfortable victory included Democratic gains in every single religious category among the electorate.

John McCain's selection of Palin, a former Pentecostal Christian, as his running mate was supposed to help strengthen his appeal to religious voters. Republican strategists knew that undecided religious voters broke heavily for George W. Bush in the last weeks of the 2004 campaign, and they hoped Palin's candidacy would sway those voters to the GOP again this year. Instead, those late deciders — including white Evangelicals — appear to have split between Obama and McCain.

Nationally, Obama captured 53% of the Catholic vote, a 13-point swing from 2004 and the largest advantage among the group for a Democrat since Bill Clinton. Obama also cut in half the Republican advantage among Protestants. And he made significant gains among regular worship attenders. Voters who attend religious services most frequently are still most likely to cast ballots for Republicans.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
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1 posted on 11/06/2008 5:58:46 AM PST by NYer
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To: Alex Murphy; BibChr

The main reason is geography. The largest percentage of white Evangelicals are in Southern states that were never in play for Democrats. They were therefore never part of any outreach effort — Obama's 50-state strategy didn't involve sending campaign staff to organize Alabama Bible colleges. Instead, the Obama camp focused its energy on a handful of battleground states with sizable Evangelical populations, including Colorado, Indiana and Michigan.

In those target states, Obama both outperformed his national average among white Evangelicals and chipped away at the GOP's 2004 advantage. In Michigan, where the state party began building relationships with social conservatives in the western half of the state during the 2006 election cycle, Obama won 33% of the white Evangelical vote, a 12-point shift from 2004. The campaign's Evangelical outreach coordinator spent the last weeks of the race in tightly-contested Indiana, with impressive results — 30% of the state's white Evangelicals voted for Obama (a 14-point gain), and the Democrat split the Catholic vote with McCain (a 13-point gain).

2 posted on 11/06/2008 6:00:00 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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3 posted on 11/06/2008 6:00:35 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer
Nationally, Obama captured 53% of the Catholic vote,...

While I do find it hard to grasp some how geniune "evangelicals" could cast their ballot for Obama, I'm blown away that 53% of Catholics supported this guy and his positions. Is the Catholic church tanking?

4 posted on 11/06/2008 6:02:42 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: NYer

Amy Sullivan is a typical scoffing fool.

God’s perfect will was done.

This nation is under God’s judgement for murdering millions of innocent babies.

God’s greatest curse to the living is, “I will cut off your generations.” This is a nation that has volunteered for that curse, through the election of liberal presidents and congresses that placed liberal chowderheads on the Supreme Court.

As “Rev.” Wright would say, “Americas chickens have come home to roost.”

Amy Sullivan will probably never get it. Even when her world is collapsing around her. Unless there is Divine Intervention in her life, to lead her to Christ, she will never, and could never, understand.


5 posted on 11/06/2008 6:03:14 AM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: NYer
Unless Dobson has undergone a dramatic political conversion, it's safe to assume he does not consider Barack Obama's election on Tuesday to be divinely ordained.

This sentence is all the proof needed to show how very little the Drive-Bys know about evangelicals. They consider God to be at work in all elections...not that God is necessarily pleased with the selection of BO, but that He is definitely at WORK in his occupation of the White House. His hand--not Barack's--is what guides the nations.

6 posted on 11/06/2008 6:03:20 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: NYer
Unless Dobson has undergone a dramatic political conversion, it's safe to assume he does not consider Barack Obama's election on Tuesday to be divinely ordained.

Oh, I'm sure Obama is the man God wanted for this nation at this time. But then, Hitler was the man God wanted for Germany at that time.

But never fear. God took down Hitler when God determined that it was time, and he will do the same with Obama.

7 posted on 11/06/2008 6:06:26 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: NYer
“In this extraordinary election, however, 2 million of those additional Evangelical voters ended up on the side of Obama”

I'll just go ahead and say it. Anyone that puts support behind a man that champions the “right” to murder innocents in the womb isn't a true Christian.

8 posted on 11/06/2008 6:06:46 AM PST by dixiedarlindownsouth
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To: All
Duplicate thread & source - note that TIME has changed the headline since yesterday.
9 posted on 11/06/2008 6:07:39 AM PST by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
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To: NYer

There is a sort of “moral equivalency” that has crept into our thinking. We’ve come to believe that one issue is just as weighty as another. Or that one set of issues balances out another. That we are free therefore to pick and choose according to those things which “matter to us.” But we know that some moral questions are far weightier than others. For example, issues of life and death are far more significant than economic reforms we might like to see. To see such a large number of “Evangelicals” and Catholics voting for Obama is indeed discouraging. Nonetheless, God has indeed ordained this outcome, and we have yet to see what will result.


10 posted on 11/06/2008 6:10:52 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: dixiedarlindownsouth

Rev 17:7

And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.[c]


11 posted on 11/06/2008 6:11:11 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: Obadiah
Nationally, Obama captured 53% of the Catholic vote,...
While I do find it hard to grasp some how geniune “evangelicals” could cast their ballot for Obama, I'm blown away that 53% of Catholics supported this guy and his positions. Is the Catholic church tanking?

People vote with their pocket books...wrongly this time as they did not understand the dynamic set in motion by the democrats that caused this recession. If people feel their money is safe, they will vote their religious and moral beliefs...if not they take care of their families finances first.

12 posted on 11/06/2008 6:11:11 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: MEGoody

Obama denied his infanticide views and softened his abortion views. Many “christians” fell for his lies.

I believe we will not receive God’s blessing, as a nation, while we continue to murder babies and encourage, condone homosexual behavior. I did not use the word “punish”, we will not be the benefactor of His mercy.

We have not hit rock-bottom yet - not even close. It will take much, much more to end the above horrible activities in this country. How far we have fallen.


13 posted on 11/06/2008 6:11:40 AM PST by Reagan69
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To: Alex Murphy

Why would they change their headline to mean the exact opposite from what they had yesterday? Odd.


14 posted on 11/06/2008 6:12:29 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: Westbrook

Amy Sullivan is a typical scoffing fool.

God’s perfect will was done.

This nation is under God’s judgement for murdering millions of innocent babies.

God’s greatest curse to the living is, “I will cut off your generations.” This is a nation that has volunteered for that curse, through the election of liberal presidents and congresses that placed liberal chowderheads on the Supreme Court.

Amy Sullivan will probably never get it. Even when her world is collapsing around her. Unless there is Divine Intervention in her life, to lead her to Christ, she will never, and could never, understand.


You said very clearly what I was planning to say. I've embolded a few phrases and deleted one. Otherwise, my thoughts echo yours.

15 posted on 11/06/2008 6:13:10 AM PST by Jemian (If Roe vs. Wade had occurred 10 years earlier, Nobama would not have been born.)
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To: Obadiah
But we know that some moral questions are far weightier than others.

God's son is to reign not some republican president. The lesson here may be that we have looked to hard to the GOP and not enough to God. I for one am guilty.

16 posted on 11/06/2008 6:13:27 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: Obadiah
Is the Catholic church tanking?

Yes.

17 posted on 11/06/2008 6:14:01 AM PST by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
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To: MEGoody

“God took down Hitler when God determined that it was time, and he will do the same with Obama. “

Your sentence is so true. Obama is not Gods will but the peoples will. It is a statement on our affairs as a nation...and sometimes God allows us to drown in this in order to cleanse us. OJ Simpson is living the example of finally paying dues and sitting in a jail cell, finally. Both of his legal eagles (Johnny Cochran and Kardashian) have died...God is in control and I have faith in him, not the people.


18 posted on 11/06/2008 6:14:34 AM PST by IndianPrincessOK (McCain/Palin...2 pit bulls, one with lipstick! Pigs will fly with lipstick Nov. 4th)
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To: dixiedarlindownsouth
“In this extraordinary election, however, 2 million of those additional Evangelical voters ended up on the side of Obama”

Back in the 70/80's I saw "evangelicals" totally on the pro-Sandinista, environmental bandwagons. It was pathetic.
19 posted on 11/06/2008 6:15:39 AM PST by aruanan
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To: Raycpa

I totally agree with you in ways I simply cannot express here. Good for you. Nice to know others may be receiving the message too.


20 posted on 11/06/2008 6:16:39 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: NYer

Just shows again that the media does not GET Evangelicals at all. Obviously, when Dr. Dobson made that statement he knew what he was saying, what he was praying for. My prayer was that God would not deliver our country into the hands of Obama and his ilk, but I also prayed that God’s will be done. I also knew what that could potentially mean and I trust Him, even though I have had a hard time dealing with it. This election has gone this way for a reason, for His reasons, and this is our opportunity to shine and show ourselves to be His children.

There is not a Christian that could vote for a man like Obama and the fact that a disturbingly high percentage of Evangelicals and Catholics did vote for him just demonstrates how lukewarm and fallen many of our churches have become.


21 posted on 11/06/2008 6:17:28 AM PST by FarRightFanatic
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To: Raycpa

God answers all prayers. Sometimes in his infinite wisdom the answer is no.


22 posted on 11/06/2008 6:18:27 AM PST by mono
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To: Obadiah

Many “Christians” supported Hitler as well. Labels mean nothing. God judges the heart.


23 posted on 11/06/2008 6:19:42 AM PST by Thane_Banquo (President George W. Bush, RINO-in-Chief.)
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To: Raycpa

I’m guilty, also.


24 posted on 11/06/2008 6:20:14 AM PST by RightWingMama
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To: NYer

It doesn’t matter what he thinks. He wants God to prevail. I understand.


25 posted on 11/06/2008 6:20:17 AM PST by DeLaine (You can't make up anything anymore. The world itself is a satire. All you're doing is recording it.)
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To: NYer
I firmly believe God's will was done on Tuesday. There were so many faithful Christians praying for our country over the past few weeks. If Clinton had not served for 8 years, would we have had GWB in the White House on 9/11? Thankfully, W was there, and not Gore or another pacifist. We endured 4 years of Carter to be blessed with 8 of Reagan. God has a plan and it is perfect.

I know several liberal baptists and episcopaleans who voted for Obama. I do not consider them to be evangelicals and they would hide their heads in shame at that label. They have authored their own God and named him "Jesus," too. Who applies the "evangelical" label - does it mean "church attending"? Just because you sit in a church does not mean you are a Christian or that you believe that God's word is true and applicable. Non-Christians just don't 'get it,' and never will.

26 posted on 11/06/2008 6:21:02 AM PST by too much time (Now WHY are my kids still in public school?)
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To: dixiedarlindownsouth

Yeah, these “evangelicals” must be the

Marxist, Infanticide supporting “evangelicals” that think that all of the Commandments are mere suggestions.

Honor thy Mother and Father (and by extension, traditions of the country)

Thou shall not kill (even when the “fetus” is inconvenient)

Thou shall not commit adultery (unless you really feel like it)

Thou shall not steal (unless the gov’t does it)

Thou shall not bear false witness (unless you’re accusing the “greedy rich” of stealing your pie)

Thou shall not covet (unless it’s the “greedy rich”’s stuff you’re coveting)


27 posted on 11/06/2008 6:22:15 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, and Thuggery)
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To: NYer

No true Christian, Evangelical or Catholic, would vote for Obama but there are lots of “Matt. 8:21-23 Christians”. OTOH, I agree with NYer that a main factor was geography: those people who live in states with large black population, who know what this group of people can be, went for McCain.


28 posted on 11/06/2008 6:24:15 AM PST by Former Fetus
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To: FarRightFanatic

Laodicean Church.


29 posted on 11/06/2008 6:24:39 AM PST by too much time (Now WHY are my kids still in public school?)
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To: Westbrook; Obadiah
Is the Catholic church tanking?

Since Vatican II (and maybe before, I don't know) a number of Catholics have not been, well, made conspicuous by their obedience. I'd venture to say that there's always been a streak of anti-clericalism among Catholics. And CINOs who probably use artificial birth control and always seem to have a reason miss Mass on Holy Days of Obligation and haven't seen the inside of a confessional for decades can always find in the social teaching of the Church a [bogus] reason to overlook the rest of her straightforward moral teaching.

And, we should never forget that 100 IQ is average. There are a lot of people who ain't too smart and ain't too informed and aiin't too used to using what little brain they have. And of those folks, plenty vote.God’s perfect will was done.

Thank you, Westbrook. The scoffers don't realize how jejune they seem when they try to "do theology" against the faithful.

It may be that we are in need of chastisement -- I know I am. It may be that God has decided to do a little winnowing. Who knows? But His Name will be glorified in the saints, in the Church, and in Christ Jesus forever. And we can thank Him now for this opportunity to recommit ourselves to Him and to learn in a deeper way what charity is.

30 posted on 11/06/2008 6:25:16 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: too much time

Yep, exactly.


31 posted on 11/06/2008 6:26:44 AM PST by FarRightFanatic
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To: NYer

a homosexual author pushing for homosexual chinese menu faux churches.


32 posted on 11/06/2008 6:26:46 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: FarRightFanatic
My prayer was that God would not deliver our country into the hands of Obama and his ilk, but I also prayed that God’s will be done. I also knew what that could potentially mean and I trust Him, even though I have had a hard time dealing with it. This election has gone this way for a reason, for His reasons, and this is our opportunity to shine and show ourselves to be His children.

Nailed it. I have young children so I struggle with knowing the direction we're now going, but then I settle on: "He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty."

I dwell and trust, therefore I rest.

33 posted on 11/06/2008 6:27:30 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: Former Fetus

Jimmy Carter is the perfect example of a liberal “christian.” In one of his books, he patted himself on the back repeatedly, telling of how he played with a black child when he was young. I also grew up in Georgia (but after de-seg). His back-patting confirms to me that he grew up racist, has changed his thinking, and now has alot of white guilt. I know several liberal “christians” who are certain that every white person in the South is racist. In my eyes, they grew up in a racist family/church/community and now have ‘white guilt,’ as they realize that their upbringing was flawed. They feel more passion and urgency to bring others out of their racist thinking than they do about leading people to Christ.


34 posted on 11/06/2008 6:32:22 AM PST by too much time (Now WHY are my kids still in public school?)
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To: NYer

the Focus on the Family founder chatted with Sarah Palin on his radio show and shared his backup plan for the struggling GOP ticket. He was, Dobson told her, praying for “God’s intervention” and that “God’s perfect will be done on November the 4th.”
Unless Dobson has undergone a dramatic political conversion, it’s safe to assume he does not consider Barack Obama’s election on Tuesday to be divinely ordained.

If the writer was a Christian they would understand that it is all in Gods hands and though as Christians we pray for Him to grant us a good leader for our Nation since too mnay of us have turned our face from Him he may just send us a crappy perosn as President to teach us a lesson.
It seems to me that this is exactly what has happened.


35 posted on 11/06/2008 6:34:28 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: Raycpa

I am guilty of the same thing, looking to politics too much and to God too little. This may be God’s way of strengthening our faith as individuals and as a nation. At least I’m going ask God to help me better put my trust in Him!


36 posted on 11/06/2008 7:04:47 AM PST by votelife (we need 60 conservative senators)
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To: NYer

So many church goers chose wrong and did not vote the Bible because they have not had a change of heart, have not been truly born again and therefore do not have the Lord Jesus Christ in them or his Spirit.

Faith (in Jesus Christ) comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God and the Christian Churches are not preaching the Bible which is what they need to hear in order to become a Christian and have Him living in them.

The churches are preaching pop psychology, sermons on how to fix this, how to fix that, finance, relationships, etc. All the How to Sunday morning sermons mean nothing to an unchanged, unconverted heart that does not have Jesus Christ residing in it. They are just layering on good works on a dead corpse, layering on appearances of change when deep inside there has been no change, no conversion, just a veneer.


37 posted on 11/06/2008 7:07:32 AM PST by Esther Ruth ( Jesus - No other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12)
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To: Obadiah

You said — “While I do find it hard to grasp some how geniune “evangelicals” could cast their ballot for Obama, I’m blown away that 53% of Catholics supported this guy and his positions. Is the Catholic church tanking?”

It seems that the word “Evangelical” is not as valid as it used to be. I see so-called Evangelicals abandoning the faith of the Bible and the “Emerging Church” coming out of the tossing off of Biblical doctrines taught in the Bible.

I find I can no longer use the word “Evangelical” in a trustworthy manner and depend upon it meaning what it used to mean.

Thus, when the media and the polls use the term “Evangelical” — one must realize that these are not the Evangelicals of one time in the distant past.

In fact, the word “Christian” is also so diluted, as to require further “definition” to even find out if the person is a true Christian as the “name” seems to indicate (at first). Many times one finds out that “Christian” is nothing more than having certain political and social values, absent the saving Grace of Jesus Christ — which is no Christian at all.

Thus, these polls are all wrong in that sense — in measuring “true Christians” and what they think. That’s because these pollsters (and other non-Christians) don’t really know what a true Christian is.


38 posted on 11/06/2008 7:20:42 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Westbrook
Agreed, what people like her fail to realize is that God is sovereign, and His purposes will be accomplished and yes God ultimate goal far outweighs this present circumstance which is just a minuet piece of the big picture.
39 posted on 11/06/2008 7:21:46 AM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Alex Murphy; Obadiah
Is the Catholic church tanking?

No! Catholics, like Evangelicals, Fundamentalists, Jews, Protestants, Mormons and atheists were imbued by their Creator with the gift of free will. They chose to ignore the teachings of their faith and pull the lever for Obama. God is the judge of our actions - not you and not Alex Murphy.

40 posted on 11/06/2008 7:40:46 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer
Unless Dobson has undergone a dramatic political conversion, it's safe to assume he does not consider Barack Obama's election on Tuesday to be divinely ordained.

On the contrary, Amy, it very likely is God ordained.

And likely you're not going to like the long term consequences very much.

41 posted on 11/06/2008 8:01:26 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: dixiedarlindownsouth

Exactly.


42 posted on 11/06/2008 8:02:42 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Raycpa

Or my personal favorite:
Matt 7:21-23
Many will say to Me in that day, “Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?”
And then I will declare to them, “I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness


43 posted on 11/06/2008 8:37:26 AM PST by dixiedarlindownsouth
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To: Mad Dawg; Jemian; Obadiah; ThisLittleLightofMine

My brothers and sisters,

As I tell my children, God will have His way, with you or without you, because of you or in spite of you. The only choice you have in the matter is on which side of that line you stand.

We have been blessed with eleven children, some of whom are special needs. My wife is a home-schooling, stay-at-home Mom. As much of a challenge as that is, and as difficult as it is to make ends meet at times, we thank God every day for our children. I cannot imagine life without them. My tag line sums it up for me.


44 posted on 11/06/2008 8:40:26 AM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Westbrook

Thank you for this.


45 posted on 11/06/2008 9:07:42 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Obadiah

“My prayer was that God would not deliver our country into the hands of Obama and his ilk, but I also prayed that God’s will be done. I also knew what that could potentially mean and I trust Him, even though I have had a hard time dealing with it. This election has gone this way for a reason, for His reasons, and this is our opportunity to shine and show ourselves to be His children.

Nailed it. I have young children so I struggle with knowing the direction we’re now going, but then I settle on: “He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty.”

I dwell and trust, therefore I rest.”

Amen. I have young kids too and looking at them and then picturing what our future could entail is really what breaks my heart. But I will still trust Him.


46 posted on 11/06/2008 11:56:46 AM PST by FarRightFanatic
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To: NYer

http://www.lifenews.com/nat4551.html


47 posted on 11/06/2008 6:04:24 PM PST by Bramuce
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To: Obadiah

Those who profess to be Catholic or Evangelicals and voted for Obama are Catholics and Evangelicals in word only. Knowing Christ and professing Christ are two different things. Anyone who truly knows Jesus Christ could never vote for the principles that this antichrist (Obama) represents.


48 posted on 11/06/2008 6:10:17 PM PST by evangmlw
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To: NYer

As a Christian Pastor, I believe God has allowed Obama to be elected President as an instrument of His judgment upon this nation. Obama will now lead this nation into captivity under the judgment of God.


49 posted on 11/06/2008 6:12:00 PM PST by evangmlw
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To: Obadiah
While I do find it hard to grasp some how geniune "evangelicals" could cast their ballot for Obama, I'm blown away that 53% of Catholics supported this guy and his positions. Is the Catholic church tanking?

This is based on exit polling, and their definition of "Catholic" is someone who says he's a Catholic.

If you remove (a) Hispanics; and (b) people who don't actually practice Catholicism (== don't attend Mass weekly), McCain won the Catholic vote by close to 10 points.

(And it stinks that it was only 10 points, but it's better than losing it.)

I haven't seen numbers yet for weekly-Mass-attending Catholics, Hispanics included.

50 posted on 11/06/2008 6:18:01 PM PST by Campion (Impeach Obama Now!)
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