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Swing Voters Don't Want Big Government
WSJ ^ | November 06, 2008 | PAT TOOMEY

Posted on 11/06/2008 7:19:35 AM PST by RobinMasters

Barack Obama and congressional Democrats won big on Tuesday night, but they should not mistake their victory for a big-government mandate. The evidence tells a very different story.

A poll commissioned by the Club for Growth in 12 swing congressional districts over the past weekend shows that the voters who made the difference in this election still prefer less government -- lower taxes, less spending and less regulation -- to Sen. Obama's economic liberalism. Turns out, Americans didn't vote for Mr. Obama and Democratic congressional candidates because they support their redistributionist agenda, but because they are fed up with the Republican politicians in office. This was a classic "throw the bums out" election, rather than an embrace of the policy views of those who will replace them.

Although currently held by Republican congressmen, all but one of these 12 districts we surveyed flipped to Democratic control Tuesday night. Collectively, President Bush carried these districts in 2004 with 53%. They are nearly evenly split in party affiliation: 40% Democratic, 37% Republican and 19% Independent. The poll surveyed 800 voters with a margin of error of +/- 3.46 percentage points.

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KEYWORDS: bho2008; biggovernment; obamatransitionfile; swingvote
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1 posted on 11/06/2008 7:19:35 AM PST by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters

Well, now is a helluva time to make that be known. Should have thought of that on Tuesday.


2 posted on 11/06/2008 7:20:49 AM PST by ScottinVA
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To: RobinMasters

If that’s the case, swing voters must be the biggest morons on the planet.


3 posted on 11/06/2008 7:21:40 AM PST by Slapshot68
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To: RobinMasters

Swing voters are even dumber than I thought then. Don’t want big government but elect a marxist who promises the biggest expansion of government in US history? Some people are too stupid to vote.


4 posted on 11/06/2008 7:22:27 AM PST by frankiep (Every socialist is a disguised dictator - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: RobinMasters

Well they certainly have an odd way of making their sentiments known.


5 posted on 11/06/2008 7:22:38 AM PST by Savage Beast ("Your grandchildren will live under communism." -Nikita Krushchev)
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To: RobinMasters

great going idiots!


6 posted on 11/06/2008 7:23:13 AM PST by mockingbyrd (Sarah 2012!)
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To: RobinMasters

I understand “throwing the bums out,” but McCain, for all his faults wasn’t one of them. So, instead we get worse bums than the ones thrown out.


7 posted on 11/06/2008 7:23:18 AM PST by ScottinVA
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To: RobinMasters

I knew we were in trouble the minute the poll came out before the election that said that something like 35% of the American people still thought the Republicans were controlling Congress....(eye roll)


8 posted on 11/06/2008 7:23:40 AM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: RobinMasters
The MSM won this election. They spent 8 years telling people that the Republicans were the problem. Therefore, in 2006 and 2008, we had "throw the bums out" elections.

Now the Demcrats are in charge. The MSM will spend the next 4-8 years saying that everthing needs to change and we all need to sacrifice.

I, for one, think that the Swing Voters will come to believe this. That's why they are sheeple.

9 posted on 11/06/2008 7:24:02 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Slapshot68
It's hard to blame swing voters for not being able to tell the difference between Democratic ultra super colossal mega government and Republican ultra super almost as colossal mega government.

I sometimes (Medicare part D, the Paulson plan) have a hard time myself, and I haven't voted Democrat for a national office in 30 years of voting.

10 posted on 11/06/2008 7:25:08 AM PST by Notary Sojac (McCain proved that if you merely RUN as a conservative, you will LOSE)
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To: penelopesire
"I knew we were in trouble the minute the poll came out before the election that said that something like 35% of the American people still thought the Republicans were controlling Congress...."

I knew we were in trouble when Clinton looked the American people in the face, admitted to smoking marijuana, but denied inhaling...and people accepted that explanation.

11 posted on 11/06/2008 7:25:59 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: RobinMasters

The only thing that makes sense is that these clymers figure politicians lie so they expect Chairman Hussein won’t do what he promised. Einstein type logic right there.


12 posted on 11/06/2008 7:26:09 AM PST by Dahoser (America's great untapped alternative energy source: The Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: RobinMasters

It’s like saying “I only ate that 7-alarm chili because I wanted to clean my system out. I didn’t expect I’d get heartburn, too!”


13 posted on 11/06/2008 7:26:14 AM PST by ScottinVA
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To: RobinMasters

Duh...you get what you vote for


14 posted on 11/06/2008 7:26:50 AM PST by RonnG
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To: RobinMasters
Barack Obama and congressional Democrats won big on Tuesday night, but they should not mistake their victory for a big-government mandate.

Oh, I'm sure they won't. No. Not at all.

15 posted on 11/06/2008 7:26:57 AM PST by workerbee (If you vote for Democrats, you are engaging in UnAmerican Activity.)
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To: RobinMasters

I thought we had this election in 2006!

Seriously, do these voters think they were being cute? Voting for Obama to punish the Republicans? Actually, I know of one person who did exactly that!


16 posted on 11/06/2008 7:27:34 AM PST by EdnaMode
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To: Joe 6-pack

LOL...point taken.


17 posted on 11/06/2008 7:27:53 AM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: ScottinVA
Should have thought of that on Tuesday.

LMAO... BTTT

18 posted on 11/06/2008 7:28:03 AM PST by johnny7 ("Duck I says... ")
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To: RobinMasters

I do not think the win was that big.


19 posted on 11/06/2008 7:28:21 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: ScottinVA

Gawd Dang, WTF happened Tuesday night then?


20 posted on 11/06/2008 7:28:28 AM PST by Perdogg (1459 Days until the 2012 Presidential Election - Dissent is Patriotic)
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To: penelopesire

“I knew we were in trouble the minute the poll came out before the election that said that something like 35% of the American people still thought the Republicans were controlling Congress....(eye roll)”

Well, they’ll soon have no doubt who’s in charge now. I never knew until recent years how densely stupid American voters can be.


21 posted on 11/06/2008 7:28:58 AM PST by ScottinVA
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To: penelopesire

I heard it was 50%.


22 posted on 11/06/2008 7:28:59 AM PST by Perdogg (1459 Days until the 2012 Presidential Election - Dissent is Patriotic)
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To: RobinMasters
The mushy middle have/had no idea who they voted for, the lame scream media made sure of it. This is the most uneducated the electorate has been about a candidate since radio and TV.

I expect there will be some buyers remorse from a few honest reporters left out there, and there will certainly be buyers remorse from the uninformed public.

I detected a hint of buyers remorse on election night from the lame scream media...they didn't seem overjoyed....it was more like “Oh my gosh, what have we done?”

I think it was starting to hit them the last few weeks.

23 posted on 11/06/2008 7:29:02 AM PST by FreedomProtector
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To: mockingbyrd
Seriously! I mean does anyone really believe that this election was about anything other than "I want someone elses pie -- as much as I can get." He who promised the most pie won!!!
24 posted on 11/06/2008 7:29:23 AM PST by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.)
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To: RobinMasters

Aside from the Mike Church comments that McCain was the same as Obama in many cases and THAT was the problem, here is what I think the problem was:

1. Elderly fear of Social Security/Medicare reductions. Obama promised freebies, but McCain never could make the message that they are not sustainable.

2. The MTV youth came out in droves to vote for Obama. The majority of youth votes are ignorant of economics, the perils of big government and socialism. They have no idea of history, thanks to our lousy school system (which teaches sports and how-to-get along instead of traditional academics). McCain COULD have explained how there will be fewer jobs under Obama because of his tax and trade poliices, but he didn’t. McCain was supporting the same lie that Obama gave — we can return jobs to the USA. THAT IS A LIE. LABOR COSTS TOO MUCH AND THERE ARE TOO MANY ENVIRONMENTAL RESTRICTIONS AND COSTS. So, taxpayers have to make huge subsidies to UNION corporations to produce inefficient goods.

What a totally bungled message by McCain. Obama promised jobs, free healthcare, bailouts, etc. Hard to compete with UNLESS you got back to the Reagan Revolution.


25 posted on 11/06/2008 7:30:25 AM PST by whitedog57
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To: RobinMasters

Aside from the Mike Church comments that McCain was the same as Obama in many cases and THAT was the problem, here is what I think the problem was:

1. Elderly fear of Social Security/Medicare reductions. Obama promised freebies, but McCain never could make the message that they are not sustainable.

2. The MTV youth came out in droves to vote for Obama. The majority of youth votes are ignorant of economics, the perils of big government and socialism. They have no idea of history, thanks to our lousy school system (which teaches sports and how-to-get along instead of traditional academics). McCain COULD have explained how there will be fewer jobs under Obama because of his tax and trade poliices, but he didn’t. McCain was supporting the same lie that Obama gave — we can return jobs to the USA. THAT IS A LIE. LABOR COSTS TOO MUCH AND THERE ARE TOO MANY ENVIRONMENTAL RESTRICTIONS AND COSTS. So, taxpayers have to make huge subsidies to UNION corporations to produce inefficient goods.

What a totally bungled message by McCain. Obama promised jobs, free healthcare, bailouts, etc. Hard to compete with UNLESS you got back to the Reagan Revolution.


26 posted on 11/06/2008 7:30:25 AM PST by whitedog57
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To: ClearCase_guy

They will also believe the MSN (Chrissy) when they blame all of this on mess on Bush/Republicans.

It will be up to us to make sure the truth comes out.


27 posted on 11/06/2008 7:31:42 AM PST by Glacier Honey (`)
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To: RobinMasters

Look, everybody; instead of bitching about how stupid swing voters are, let’s get organized on the issues for 2010. This looks like a set up for a repeat of 1994.


28 posted on 11/06/2008 7:32:09 AM PST by Gulf War One
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To: Slapshot68

Put them in with the PA voters who, as Ann Coulter put it, aren’t racists, just retards.


29 posted on 11/06/2008 7:32:24 AM PST by Pondo
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To: ClearCase_guy

Indeed, the MSM are scumbags..but let us not forget, that a lot of the Republicans we sent to Washington forgot how to be conservative..especially our president!


30 posted on 11/06/2008 7:32:42 AM PST by aquarianrealm
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To: whitedog57

So, according to Toomey’s article, sounds like these swing voters disagreed with Obama on most issues, but voted for him anyway. Wow — that cult thing is a powerful magnet.


31 posted on 11/06/2008 7:33:12 AM PST by ScottinVA
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To: ScottinVA

“Well, they’ll soon have no doubt who’s in charge now”

You will appreciate this article then:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/11/opportunities_of_an_obama_pres.html

We need to get some conservative fighters in charge in Washington and I am encouraging my fellow freepers to write their congresscritters to ask them to make Mike Pence the minority house leader.


32 posted on 11/06/2008 7:34:29 AM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Pondo

“Put them in with the PA voters who, as Ann Coulter put it, aren’t racists, just retards.”

Absolutely spot-on. After being maligned and disrespected, they return true to form, strap on the kneepads, pucker the lips and kneel for another session. Amazing.


33 posted on 11/06/2008 7:35:14 AM PST by ScottinVA
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To: Perdogg

Good lord..was it that high? Unbelievable! Thanks for the clarification.


34 posted on 11/06/2008 7:35:46 AM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: RobinMasters

Well, big government is what they are going to get-and like it!


35 posted on 11/06/2008 7:38:40 AM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: ClearCase_guy

This was what happened with Carter. As soon has people see higher taxes and bad economy from the Democrats economic policy they will throw them out same as most of Europe and Canada just did. The good news is the dummy swing voters are not conservatives or liberals, just ignorant people floating along in life. They have no idea about economics or politics, but they sure as heck did not realize what they just voted for. They never convert, they simply swing. Its our job to swing them back.


36 posted on 11/06/2008 7:39:20 AM PST by pwatson
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To: Piquaboy
I do not think the win was that big.

It was big enough.

37 posted on 11/06/2008 7:40:11 AM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: RobinMasters

Look. The Republican/GWB two election disaster (06+08) could not be halted by claiming that democrats will give us big government because we sat by and held our noses when GWB and friends created the biggest fed government in the history of the USA. Wake up folks, it was a disaster.

What is new is Democrats will give us a controlling intruding government. Obama model is Maryland, in 2007 when democrats took over entire MD state government due to GWB hatred , they taxed us with largest increase in state history, taxed energy (after promising us low cost energy, sound familiar??) then told us we can get a few bucks back (less than $100 per year) if the state/BGE can contol our thermostat remotely. Not kidding! It’s on BGEs website. Thanks GWB, thanks again, again!


38 posted on 11/06/2008 7:40:40 AM PST by sickoflibs ( Where were McCain's moderates and illegals on election day?)
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To: whitedog57
Wait to the MTV generation gets drafted!

LOL!

39 posted on 11/06/2008 7:41:28 AM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: RobinMasters
Great point. BHO's margin of victory came from people who didn't see much difference between him and McCain on economic issues and either voted for him or stayed home. BHO ran as an economic centrist/populist and the Pravda media supported this lie.

Now's the time to use this to our advantage by creating an alliance between Blue Dog Dems and GOP Conservatives.

BHO's ethnic monolith and white neo-Marxist supporters see him as their jackpot.

When it comes time to make policy choices, a Blue Dog-Conservative alliance can either make BHO move to the center or make the Dems pay during the 2010 midterms if BHO and Congress choose to placate the ethnic monolith and neo-Marxists.

40 posted on 11/06/2008 7:44:08 AM PST by bailmeout ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" - G Orwell)
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To: ScottinVA

Apparently only 10-15% of Americans know who Nancy Pelosi is!


41 posted on 11/06/2008 7:44:52 AM PST by EdnaMode
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To: Glacier Honey
They will also believe the MSN (Chrissy) when they blame all of this on mess on Bush/Republicans.

The fact is that most of the problems are our fault!

We had total control of the Gov't for 6 years, the Congress for 12 and ran it like the Democrats did with pork and big gov't spending.

Bush was a moderate Democrat, not a conservative Republican.

We didn't deserve to win those elections since we failed to protect the People and sold them out to the special interests.

42 posted on 11/06/2008 7:45:35 AM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: RobinMasters

Well, they voted for it, so f- them. The people get the government they deserve. And the stupid, ignorant, mouthbreathers that voted for this radical Marxist jack ass are going to get the government they deserve and then some.


43 posted on 11/06/2008 7:46:26 AM PST by Boagenes (I'm your huckleberry, that's just my game.)
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To: ScottinVA
So, according to Toomey’s article, sounds like these swing voters disagreed with Obama on most issues, but voted for him anyway. Wow — that cult thing is a powerful magnet.

No, they were rejecting the Republican Party and its corruption and special interests (bailouts)

44 posted on 11/06/2008 7:46:52 AM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: penelopesire

“We need to get some conservative fighters in charge in Washington and I am encouraging my fellow freepers to write their congresscritters to ask them to make Mike Pence the minority house leader”

That would be a good start. Time for Boehner to go.

Like Brig Gen. Teddy Roosevelt Jr. said on the sands of Utah Beach on the morning of D-Day — “Alright — we’ll start the war from here.”


45 posted on 11/06/2008 7:49:30 AM PST by ScottinVA
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To: RobinMasters

Wow, some people really have no sense! Add them to the list of people who shouldn’t be allowed to vote.


46 posted on 11/06/2008 7:49:35 AM PST by MrsLilac (Don't let your mind wander. It's too small to be let out on it's own.)
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To: pwatson
This was what happened with Carter. As soon has people see higher taxes and bad economy from the Democrats economic policy they will throw them out same as most of Europe and Canada just did. The good news is the dummy swing voters are not conservatives or liberals, just ignorant people floating along in life. They have no idea about economics or politics, but they sure as heck did not realize what they just voted for. They never convert, they simply swing. Its our job to swing them back.

We have to true Conservatives and not 'compassionate' ones, like the Bush's who were nothing more then Democrats.

The GOP has to get back to fighting for the individual, the 'little guy' like Joe the Plumber.

That means no more Government programs, but dismantling them-freedom works.

47 posted on 11/06/2008 7:49:54 AM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: fortheDeclaration

“We had total control of the Gov’t for 6 years, the Congress for 12 and ran it like the Democrats did with pork and big gov’t spending.”

I totally agree with that. The GOP had a golden opportunity to make a difference and squandered it badly.


48 posted on 11/06/2008 7:51:14 AM PST by ScottinVA
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To: RobinMasters

This is actually GOOD news. If we can run a real conservative who can articulate what conservatism is, he/she WILL win.

What this means is that there is still hope.


49 posted on 11/06/2008 7:55:29 AM PST by vwatto
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To: frankiep
Swing voters are even dumber than I thought then. Don’t want big government but elect a marxist who promises the biggest expansion of government in US history? Some people are too stupid to vote.

Swing voters, fence-sitters, undecideds/independents, whatever one calls this group of people, they are mostly bereft of personal political beliefs. If they were not apolitical to begin with, they wouldn't need coaxing to join one side or the other.

They either trend towards the "most appealing" candidate (smoothest talker, most handsome, best dresser, favorable body language, whatever) or they bite at the prettiest empty campaign promise, usually one that involves soaking Someone Else and benefitting them.

They never open the book, they go entirely by its cover. That's why Obama's associates and past activities didn't make a difference in this election.

How many times must this lesson be re-learned?

50 posted on 11/06/2008 7:55:49 AM PST by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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