Posted on 11/06/2008 7:31:35 AM PST by prismsinc
We need to network our activities people. The PUMAs fooled us. I saw the exit polling data, and it showed that single/divorced woman turned out for Eclair by a wide margin. We were duped by Hillary. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on ME. We are no doubt under seige. Fascists at the top, working class moderates/liberals and the poor at the bottom.
They are very well organized, and they plan to exterminate us. Right now, they're coordinating their next move on us. We can't get involved in our minute differences. We fundamentally have the same ideals. So wake up, true conservatives. No waffling, no cowardice, an certainly no naiivete!
Get real.
The polls were putting Obama ahead for months. Do you think conservatives thought that Hillary’s people would comfortably knock McCain over the top without their vote?
Democrats voted for McCain at between 15-20%, depending on state, according to exit polls.
Some of those were Hillary supporters.
Before you start blaming the PUMAs, you lost a good percentage of the “conservative” base.
We gave you quite a bit of support in many states.
Chuckle!
They didn’t fool us, we fooled ourselves. We judged macro trends by micro statements. In other words, the dozen or so PUMAs we read and cheered for, we assumed where part of a macro movement, when in reality, they where what they where at face value, a dozen or so PUMAs. We do that a lot..
but who will lead? we need someone charming on outside and
brutal enough on inside to fight these guys.
The PUMAs fooled us.And that's pretty amazing because they didn't fool anyone else. I think the case is that you fooled yourselves. Wake up and smell reality. I actually looked into the PUMA phenomenon and it was incredibly easy to find out that it didn't exist. There were no more than a few thousand PUMAs nationwide. You believed otherwise because you desperately wanted to.
It's called the Tinkerbell strategy. "If you believe hard enough, you can save Tinkerbell." Guess what? It won't work four years from now either. How about we wise up and stop blaming everyone else?
FR needs a disinformation detector ... they need it real bad!
Are you out of your mind? The PUMAs worked their butts off for the McCain campaign. They then went to the polls and voted. That’s more than I can say for many in the Repbulican Party.
How dare you try to blame the PUMAs.
Imbecile.
You are wrong here...not "working class moderates/liberals...It's NON-working class.... If you think about it, since the 1950's the democratic party has moved from the champion of the blue-collar, hard working middle-lower class American, to the no collar, non-working, lower class anti-American who just wants everything handed to them...Blame LBJ for the biggest part of this...
Before you start blaming the PUMAs, you lost a good percentage of the “conservative” base.
The conservative base was the problem. Still alot out there that “want to teach the GOP a lesson”. I guess they didnt learn anything from 2006. As far as the PUMAs are concerned, they did what they could. I went to several rallys and saw “Hillary voters for McCain” “Dems for McCain” and “PUMA Power” signs. It would have been unrealistic to expect them all to go to McCain. Obama won by being the media darling, having unlimited funds and fraud....and the conservatives stayed home.
Next time, think before you post a vanity.
And young. As the dust is settling I can’t believe we had a 72 year old man as our guy, as much as I admire him. Anyone under 50 is practically a non-starter. It is true is that the left are not going to stop at winning the election, I have insane liberal “friends” and they smell blood.
Hillary voters went 86-11 for Obama. Yes, we were fooled big time. PUMAS? More like PUTZES.
Not really. When someone makes rash claims just ask them for their source of information. That gives you the chance to research for the opposite opinion, then determine who has the best sources.
ALL votes have been compromised.. the election is and was a sham.. a ruse.. a trick..
The lack of republican outrage is deafening..
What good does this do? IT’S OVER...there’s no use figuring this one out because it’s unprecedented...Let’s just regroup, put up good conservatives and MOVE ON. How do you think MOVEON.ORG got so powerful? Not by dwelling in the past, I’m telling you that much.
The Republican Party has good leaders, we just chose not to use them. And let's not forget Rush Limbaugh, he used his considerable pulpit to trash McCain for months; that didn't help either.
The single/divorced female voter has been killing Republicans in the last few elections. It’s going to get worse. This is a direct result of the disintegration of the American family and the secularization of America. Absent the crucial support and value systems provided by families and religious institutions these women, having marinated in a cultural stew which disparages marriage and family, naturally look to the state. Combined with their abhorrence to the use of military force and disinterest in defense funding, this is a toxic demographic for conservatives and the future of the nation.
That's one of the reasons I turned off the TV.
Yeah ... I know. I'm thinking about it. ;)
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it wasn’t just the websites. It was a major part of mccain’s campaign. Major feminists at the rallies. The hillary mortgage idea that mccain dropped during the 2nd debate. The hillary robocalls.
Pffft. "Moderate" Republicans demanded (and were given) carte blanche opportunity to demonstrate, once and for all, that they knew how to win at the national level, this year.
They got exactly the candidate they wanted. They got exactly the party platform they demanded. The campaign was run exactly the way they insisted it be run.
How'd that end up working out for us, again...?
They actually managed to lose to a one-term Senate Marxist with open and unapologetic terrorist ties. The ONLY thing I want to hear from Team McCain or any of its shrill little online apologists, from this day forward, is a meek and contrite: "We're sorry."
They have nothing else worthwhile what. so. EVER. to contribute to any meaningful discussion, re: either conservatism or winning electoral strategies.
"Moderates" have conclusively demonstrated, once and for all, that they know how to lose like nobody's business. How very, very... helpful.
You were saying — “and the conservatives stayed home.”
Well, the conservatives in Oklahoma didn’t stay home. As an example of what conservatives can do, look at the 66% for McCain in Oklahoma. That’s the largest percentage for McCain in all the states (for the Republican ticket).
Compared to Democrat states, only two exceeded Oklahoma in their percentages for the Democrat ticket (they were Hawaii and Vermont). No other Democrat states (for the Democrat ticket) exceeded the percentages of Oklahoma.
Perhaps we should start looking toward Oklahoma for what the Republicans should do...
Yes. In another time, we wouldn’t have been running against a young, black, attractive, articulate, and hip candidate. That’s why a 72 year old man didn’t help. Not to mention he was not a conservative.
How the GOP did not see this is what really amazes me.
I agree completely about single-divorced women being a Democratic constituency. That together with the youth and first-time voters put Obama over the top. Going into the election, many pundits predicted it would not be a Republican year. They were right. But for McCain to keep it as close in the battleground states is a testament to his -never-give-up mentality but above all his selection of Sarah who brought more people into McCain’s tent than was otherwise possible before the Republican convention. Let’s just accept defeat and move on and be more determined to defeat Obama in 2012.
they were upset at the Palin pick. but come on. mccain was loooosing in the polls until he picked her.
I would agree that the PUMA movement was probably McCain campaign astroturfing. Only 18% of Hillary supporter voted McCain, which is about 9% of dems overall. Roughly the same percentage of Reps (RINOs and Retards) voted Obama.
I think one MAJOR CHANGE that needs to be made to the Republican primary system is proportional awarding of convention delegates. The winner take all system has failed us because the “institutional” pick wins with 32% of the vote in 4 states. Letting a bunch of Proletarian Iowa farmers and New Hampshire crossover Dems pick our candidate has really screwed us since Reagan. Think about it, we really are allowing blue states to pick our candidate. Perhaps we need regional primaries. That way, the strongest candidates is/are building campaign infrastructure in each state. Why don’t republicans win in New England or in the west, but at the same time a gay marriage ban passes in CA. I am tired of this bullshit writing off of states. We have conservatives who are stuck in the closet because they think their state is totally liberal and loves welfare and taxes. The Republican Party has let these citizens down by ignoring their states. When we only fight on our turf, the enemy also only fights on our turf, AND THEY JUST WON. We need a campaign that fights for even the bluest state of Vermont. Did anyone else notice that Obama only got 6.2 million votes in CA and 4.3 million votes in New York?
Screw the conventional wisdom that we can’t win these states. There are citizens there who believe in the same conservative principles that we do. I realize the dem institutional machines are in place, but they are old and established, and I believe they can be beaten with some effort, organization, a clear conservative message, and some creativity.
Or on the other hand, we can just keep writing those states off and just try to win every future election with 270-290 electoral votes. IT IS ABSURD THAT THERE ARE NO HOUSE REPUBLICANS IN NEW ENGLAND. But if conservatives never go there, never run for office, never try to spread the message and win people over it will NEVER happen.
This loss is about bad ideas and bad organization. If we had slightly better message with much better organization, we would’ve won.
It's said that you can't teach an old dog new tricks, but this old dog has learned his lesson - never again!
how can *any* white guy win against an Obama or Hillary? Especially after 8 years of Bush. Think about it. Obama was being merciful to McCain when he picked biden over hillary for VP.
I was eating breakfast in the hotel lobby and CNN was on already stating what Obama will do.
Please, I cannot take 24/7 coverage of a man who won't take office until two months from now.
Now if you excuse me, I have to go to work to support the new middle class.
You are right of course. I cant believe I didnt see it coming when all the indicators were there. And we fell for the PUMA scam, hook, line, and sinker..(at least I did)
Hey, 11% of an opposing party’s base is pretty incredible.
Get over yourself. McCain, and conservatives who stayed home, did this.
Look on the bright side. The power leeching Neocons will now return to the Democrat Party and proceed to take it over and ruin it too. The GOP can start with a clean slate of conservatives. Start with a positive 2010 Contract with America.
Hey, “Mr. Know It All,” get your head out.
15-20% of Democrats, with over 10% of Hillary supporters, voted for our guy.
The problem was with McCain himself and that conservatives didn’t turn out. Look at the numbers Bush had in 2004. Do you think Hillary or Kerry people supported Bush at the rate of 15-20% then to make his number many millions more than McCains total?
Get realm and get a brain, Know It All.
15-20% of Democrats, with over 10% of Hillary supporters, voted for our guy.Did you make that number up or did it come to you in a hallucination? Those numbers are even close to reality.
Obama had support of at least 89% of Democrats and the number of Hillary supporters who voted for McCain couldn't even be measured.
Numbers from exit polls on ABC News election night.
Why go out of our way to blame PUMAS, conservatives, the media or any other group when in reality, we do not have to go further than the McCain campaign itself?
I have Dish Network and pay for a premium package because Fox News is not included with their basic service. I'm rethinking that decision.
“I am tired of this bullshit writing off of states. We have conservatives who are stuck in the closet because they think their state is totally liberal and loves welfare and taxes. The Republican Party has let these citizens down by ignoring their states”
Exactly. Here in NJ, we are always written off. It has to change. Why even bother to set up an organization in a state that they are conceding? Waste of time and money.
So, where are you getting your “11% Democrat vote” for McCain?
If your number is correct, 11% of all Democrats voted for McCain. Do you think that 11% were Obama supporters supporting McCain?
Yell at jockcocktoasten and pabianice for their numbers, too:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2126988/posts?page=29#29
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2126988/posts?page=14#14
Numbers from exit polls on ABC News election night.Exit polls are to be taken with a grain of salt. Ten Reasons Why You Should Ignore Exit Polls. The pre-election polls (the ones that turned out to be correct) showed that Obama had consolidated his base.
Idiot.
I was going to write in Duncan Hunter.
But the more I found out about Zero, the more I feared his victory.
The addition of Sarah Palin to McCain’s ticket made hubby and I enthusiastically vote “Country First” but we were already going to do it very reluctantly.
Our votes were more for Palin than McCain.
I believe McCain would have been destroyed without Sarah.
I don’t believe this election was stolen.
Stupid voters on both sides made their choice.
McCain built his own gallows via McCain-Feingold and McCain-Kennedy. Yea, he crossed the isle. Goody. Toss in his support for global warming BS with Lieberman and he pretty much peeed in all the conservative cornflakes. Opps- forgot the trillion dollar bailout.
So BO eclair just pulled the rope and disavowed public financing – BOOM – 5:1 money advantage.
And the official immigration / sanctuary policy left no room to court any Spanish vote.
Conservatives had Nothing to get excited about until Sarah.
She may be our Madonna in a couple of years but it’s disingenuous to expect her to pull conservatives together on an empty playing field! And Fox looks to Joe the Plumber? Pretty freeking shallow strategy in both cases.
We need a new Newt. Real smart guy but also has the global warming anchor around his neck. We need a focused policy position and someone to front it. Someone with NO sin – cause the rising liberal smear machine will gut this person.
We need some coordinated media outlet effort. There are 52% ignorant voters out there.
Not being a “community organizer” I don’t know how to get to these folks.
If you ask me….
I honestly don’t know why 11% of self-identified Democrats supported McCain. I do know that the party-crossover numbers were similar to those in 2000 and 2004. Obama ended up with about the same percentage of Democrats as Gore or Kerry. It helped Obama that there were a lot more Democrats this time round.
Please answer my other claims, too, as well as the numbers you and others gave.
So, by your OWN numbers, you believe that 11% of all Democrats voted for McCain. Do you think that 11% were Obama supporters supporting McCain?
Get real. Oh, and how do you know 11% of Democrats voted for McCain? Exit polls?
The Republican party has said, before we come to your state, we need to see some polling data that shows we can win.
That is a crap philosophy. Go to these states, recruit locally, count votes and prospective support by surveying each state, block by block. Register the previously unregistered and recruit them to vote conservative. I guarantee you that if the conservative movement did this, we could build a permanent majority.
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