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Election Night: Whiteboards Out, Holograms In
TIME ^ | 11/5/08 | James Poniewozik

Posted on 11/06/2008 8:08:18 AM PST by outfield

The mind reels at how news organizations might employ this technology in the future. Will we see holograms of reporters standing outside in hurricanes?

(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: digitalediting; fakebutaccurate; fakephotos; fauxtography; liberalmedia; makingitup; manipulatedviewers; propaganda; virtualnews; virtualreporting
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Very true. What was CNN thinking?
1 posted on 11/06/2008 8:08:19 AM PST by outfield
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To: outfield

Cnn THINKS??


2 posted on 11/06/2008 8:09:51 AM PST by pollywog (I will lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help. My help comes from the Lord...Ps 121)
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To: outfield

The problem with the hologram is that there’s no way to know that they’re in the location they say they are. That lady could have been reporting from the next studio for all we knew.


3 posted on 11/06/2008 8:10:19 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: outfield

Fake but accurate.

Time-Lies-Warner
Newsweak
SeeBS Viacommie
AgitProp (aka AmericanPravda)
Al Reuters

At least the Soviet people knew their media was lying to them.


4 posted on 11/06/2008 8:10:56 AM PST by weegee (Global Warming Change? Fight Global Socialist CHANGE.)
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To: outfield

I noticed a couple networks did the hologram thing. NBC nightly news was the other one.


5 posted on 11/06/2008 8:11:16 AM PST by mysterio
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To: Rutles4Ever

Exactly. Video reporting is no longer acceptable evidence. Welcome to the digital age. Fauxtography 2.0


6 posted on 11/06/2008 8:12:33 AM PST by weegee (Global Warming Change? Fight Global Socialist CHANGE.)
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To: outfield

I saw a video of it and thought it was pretty cool.


7 posted on 11/06/2008 8:13:26 AM PST by KoRn
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To: outfield

That they will no longer have to pay reporters, they can just generate a hologram of a composite reporter.


8 posted on 11/06/2008 8:13:39 AM PST by Joiseydude (Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel,)
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To: outfield

I really hope they don’t do that. I enjoyed watching stupid reporters standing in a storm, knee deep in water, reporting on how bad it is. Do they actually believe we don’t know what a storm is like?


9 posted on 11/06/2008 8:13:42 AM PST by RC2
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To: outfield
Television has used virtual sets for years.


10 posted on 11/06/2008 8:13:59 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: Timesink; martin_fierro; reformed_democrat; Loyalist; =Intervention=; PianoMan; GOPJ; ...
Media Schadenfreude and Media Shenanigans PING

Fauxtography 2.0

11 posted on 11/06/2008 8:14:21 AM PST by weegee (Global Warming Change? Fight Global Socialist CHANGE.)
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To: outfield

CGI is within three years of being able to create completely realistic “people.” That will be the end of TV and movie actors and reporters.


12 posted on 11/06/2008 8:14:48 AM PST by pabianice (HOW)
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To: outfield

I think they are getting ready for when it is no longer practical to take Larry King out of the freezer for an hour each night. Defrosting and re-freezing him must take its toll.


13 posted on 11/06/2008 8:16:06 AM PST by TheCipher
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To: outfield
You know ... it brings to mind a verse in the Bible that has always perplexed many but this kind of thing gives it a little more meaning.

Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

14 posted on 11/06/2008 8:16:09 AM PST by BigFinn (CHANGE! WE HAZ IT!)
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To: pabianice
CGI is within three years of being able to create completely realistic “people.”

The backgrounds in the Spiderman movies, which were supposed to be a triumph of CGI, were not convincing - let alone the cartoonish CGI of the actors.

15 posted on 11/06/2008 8:16:59 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: outfield
"Sanctuary" on SciFi.
16 posted on 11/06/2008 8:17:07 AM PST by pabianice (HOW)
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To: Rutles4Ever
The problem with the hologram is that there’s no way to know that they’re in the location they say they are. That lady could have been reporting from the next studio for all we knew.

Old news.

It's circa 1969 technology.

It's how the government faked the moon landing and planes flying into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon.

< /sarcasm >

17 posted on 11/06/2008 8:17:07 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - but they know what's best.)
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To: pabianice
CGI is within three years of being able to create completely realistic “people.” That will be the end of TV and movie actors and reporters.

Bullhockey. I heard this same claim made circa 1995, that in the year 2000, CGI technology would have advanced to the point that actors could be replaced. It wasn't true then. It's not true now. We've made huge strides but the technology is nowhere near that threshold.

MM (in TX)

18 posted on 11/06/2008 8:17:49 AM PST by MississippiMan
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To: RC2
I enjoyed watching stupid reporters standing in a storm, knee deep in water, reporting on how bad it is.

They can fake that too, remember the guy standing in shallow water while the reporter was in a boat?

19 posted on 11/06/2008 8:17:52 AM PST by weegee (Global Warming Change? Fight Global Socialist CHANGE.)
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To: outfield

They were thinking the same thing every news organization, sports organization and TV network has been thinking for 30+ years: shiny draws the eye. There’s been a steady increase of graphics, sometimes informative, sometimes pointless, but always eye catching, for quite a long time. A lot of news shows now are living entirely on virtual sets, the desk is fake, the walls are fake, everything except the and maybe the clothes is CGI, and the chair might not actually look like that.


20 posted on 11/06/2008 8:18:02 AM PST by dilvish
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To: outfield

I had to hit the rewind button on Fox Tuesday night when they had a split screen of two anchors talking and all of a sudden a man walked across in front of both live screenshots. I thought I was seeing things at first, LOL!


21 posted on 11/06/2008 8:18:32 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: outfield

"Obama has won the election. Help us Obi-wan-kenobi, you're our only hope!"

22 posted on 11/06/2008 8:19:28 AM PST by OB1kNOb (Øbama may be President, but Jesus Christ is still the King, and even Øbama's knee will bow to him.)
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To: pabianice

CGI is already making completely realistic people, check out the Final Fantasy movie. But it’s not the end of actors and reporters because it still takes a long time to program and render. If it ever gets to a point where it takes less than 1 hour to program and render 5 minutes worth of “acting” then actors will be gone, if it gets below half an hour reporters will be toast. But that’s a ways off, currently we’re still at days to weeks.


23 posted on 11/06/2008 8:21:19 AM PST by dilvish
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To: weegee

Just imagine what the “wrong people” could do with this technology.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05jgTr6beug

[Then go read some of the “miracles” antichrist perfoms in Revelation]


24 posted on 11/06/2008 8:22:31 AM PST by Salamander (http://theuniversalseduction.com/articles/?c=Obama)
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To: pabianice
You need to see this video on YouTube called The Emily Project: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r5aQYbX3bU

I didn't think much of it until the end when you realize that they've scanned her and can make her say anything and move the face in realistic ways. In 2-3 years you won't even know if the news people are real!

25 posted on 11/06/2008 8:22:49 AM PST by aegiscg47
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To: outfield

That’s not a real hologram, it’s a video dubbing occurring in a computer. Blitzer could not see the “projection” of the other anchor. The Star-Wars fuzzy image is just a gimmick effect of bouncing laser light off the anchor.

Far more sophisticated effects occur anytime you watch a sports event and the billboards you see out around the field are actually filled in with region specific ads.


26 posted on 11/06/2008 8:22:57 AM PST by 6SJ7 (Atlas Shrugged Mode: ON)
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To: Yo-Yo

Exactly. This is nothing more than the latest advance in virtual sets. ESPN makes fabulous use of greenscreen and virtual sets all the time. This is just an upgrade to that technology.

MM


27 posted on 11/06/2008 8:23:33 AM PST by MississippiMan
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To: pabianice
That will be the end of TV and movie actors and reporters.

...and politicians.

28 posted on 11/06/2008 8:24:43 AM PST by null and void (This isn't an election, it's a manifestation of a Salvador Dali painting. [Persistence of Division])
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To: Yo-Yo
There was a scandal a few years ago when local stations outsourced their weather correspondents to a company with the same weatherman. He would talk and joke with the news anchors, and they never let on he was in a different city, and not on their set with them. He would only be on one station per market. Viewers blew the scam when people traveled around the US, and realized their local weatherman was all over the place in different cities they were traveling to.
29 posted on 11/06/2008 8:26:00 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: BigFinn; DeLaine

Ping. See post 14...


30 posted on 11/06/2008 8:26:06 AM PST by null and void (This isn't an election, it's a manifestation of a Salvador Dali painting. [Persistence of Division])
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To: 6SJ7

It’s always fun to check out the attention to detail on this stuff. One network (I forget which) was throwing this virtual stat board up on the field during NFL games for a while, I think they got complaints about it and it went away but I like the fact that they included a “shadow” that matched the goal post shadow angle. Nice touch.


31 posted on 11/06/2008 8:26:13 AM PST by dilvish
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To: weegee
They can fake that too

So when "reporters" are burned at the stake, I should be there in person just to be sure.

The up side is I could throw some wood on the fire!

32 posted on 11/06/2008 8:26:41 AM PST by TYVets
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To: MississippiMan

Eaxctly....most major sports use this and most don’t even notice/

There will soon be a day when your favorite movie “stars” are nothing more than a digital data base.


33 posted on 11/06/2008 8:27:55 AM PST by InkYouBuss_007 (This one is escaping the Cuckoo's nest)
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To: weegee

FoxNews did the same thing. At least Brit Hume chuckled at it for what it was. The return of Max Headroom.


34 posted on 11/06/2008 8:28:31 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life ;o)
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To: dilvish
except the and maybe the clothes is CGI

It turns out that clothes are particularly hard to model. The ways fabrics drape, fold and wrinkle are complex and poorly understood. Add to that the play of light on and through fabric and you have a very computationally intense problem.

Hair is even worse, to get real looking hair you have to model every single hair, make sure no two hairs overlap, each hair has it's own subtly different color, reflectivity and transparency, and it varies with angle and along the length of each strand. And the play of the light interacts between the hairs and changes with every motion.

35 posted on 11/06/2008 8:34:23 AM PST by null and void (This isn't an election, it's a manifestation of a Salvador Dali painting. [Persistence of Division])
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To: outfield

And he will make a statue talk...

I’m sorry, I’m stuck on the anti-christ theme this morning. haha


36 posted on 11/06/2008 8:35:09 AM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: null and void

Yeah, those are the things that are going to keep actors and reporters in jobs for a long time. Even when they get the programming right it’ll still take forever to process and render.


37 posted on 11/06/2008 8:38:45 AM PST by dilvish
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To: Yo-Yo

Her reflection doesn’t show in the polished floor. Everything else does.


38 posted on 11/06/2008 8:38:51 AM PST by Spirochete
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To: outfield

The reports have always been hollow...sort of like a chimera.


39 posted on 11/06/2008 8:40:08 AM PST by vidbizz
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To: vidbizz

reports=reporters


40 posted on 11/06/2008 8:40:46 AM PST by vidbizz
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To: dilvish
Even when they get the programming right it’ll still take forever to process and render.

Are you familiar with Moore's Law?

41 posted on 11/06/2008 8:41:00 AM PST by null and void (This isn't an election, it's a manifestation of a Salvador Dali painting. [Persistence of Division])
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To: null and void

Yeah, but we’re a long way from them being able to render every hair on a person’s head in less time than it would take to film it with a real person, even if Moore turned out to be a pessimist that’s still at least a decade probably closer to 2 away. To replace actors and reporters that’s the speed it needs to be, and that’s pretty darn fast.


42 posted on 11/06/2008 8:46:10 AM PST by dilvish
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To: dilvish

Yeah, I’m figuring a decade to be “perfect”. Less to be “good enough”

“Good enough” now speeches and images will be replaced with “perfect” images later.

Look how the 0bama birth certificate kept getting new features every time someone said something (like the impressed seal, the cert number, etc) was missing.

It’s no accident that half a million google hits on image searches of “0bama birth certificate” were ‘disappeared’ between July 14 and July 17.


43 posted on 11/06/2008 8:56:59 AM PST by null and void (This isn't an election, it's a manifestation of a Salvador Dali painting. [Persistence of Division])
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To: pabianice
Way ahead of ya...
44 posted on 11/06/2008 8:58:50 AM PST by Parody
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To: null and void

They’ll probably be able to cheat perfect in a decade. Expect buns, crew cuts and other “low motion” hair styles to come back into vogue because many characters in popular TV shows will start to wear them. That’ll be easier to animate and will speed the transition while another 1 or 2 processing leaps happen to be able to run the processing of the real thing. Of course first they’ll have to figure out how these things (light refraction and movement) happen in the real world, then how to program it, then climb the processing power issue. That’s where the real unpredictability comes in, there’s been plenty of things we thought would be easy to figure out that are still stumping the high-IQ crowd.


45 posted on 11/06/2008 9:04:50 AM PST by dilvish
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To: dilvish

Exactly. 0bama has the ultimate “low motion” hair.


46 posted on 11/06/2008 9:17:31 AM PST by null and void (This isn't an election, it's a manifestation of a Salvador Dali painting. [Persistence of Division])
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To: OB1kNOb
"Obama has won the election. Help us Obi-wan-kenobi, you're our only hope!"

I saw a poster of Luke Skywalker (in the Obama-Fairey style) that said "A New Hope". Can't find it online though...

47 posted on 11/06/2008 11:51:41 AM PST by weegee (Global Warming Change? Fight Global Socialist CHANGE.)
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To: MississippiMan

Sports are entertainment. The news is supposed to be factual. They have been caught repeatedly manipulating the visual images we see. Digital fauxtography is fraud.

Dislose to the public the sham that is being pulled. Or else all “news” is false. It isn’t factual. It is fabricated.


48 posted on 11/06/2008 11:55:35 AM PST by weegee (Global Warming Change? Fight Global Socialist CHANGE.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

That’s okay, Roger Ebert got caught last month reviewing a movie just by watching the first 8 minutes.


49 posted on 11/06/2008 11:56:58 AM PST by weegee (Global Warming Change? Fight Global Socialist CHANGE.)
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To: TYVets

I heard that there was a ruse that was used in Russia during a revolution (but I don’t know if that origin is accurate).

It was employed in the “man blown up in a box of dynamite” stunt.

The forces of the explosion “cancel” each other out. But if they misfire (not in synch) the subject will die.

The idea was they could “blow up” the victim in front of the public without really killing him (depending on fate, really).


50 posted on 11/06/2008 12:01:10 PM PST by weegee (Global Warming Change? Fight Global Socialist CHANGE.)
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