Posted on 11/07/2008 7:38:30 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
Great post.... You don’t have to agree with Marc Faber about everything. But he’s right about alot
-~~Ludwig Von Mises
No, more like in a 30-year nightmare. During that time I have watched America, in the name of Free Trade (i.e. greed), de-industrialize and wipe out a large segment of the middle class in the process.
Before I retired I was a contract programmer who bounced around the country and saw first hand the damage NAFTA and its siblings have done.
In Georgia I saw a small one-industry town go completely on welfare when the broom factory left for cheap labor Mexico. I saw a HUGE beer brewing/cannery complex go empty as their respective companies headed for the border. I saw $18-an-hour millwrights go to mowing each others lawns trying to stay afloat, only to lose everything to the taxman as property taxes were raised to punitive levels since the industries went off the tax rolls.
I saw low-paid workers in Alabama get exploited even further when they asked management for some kind of health coverage and were told to shut up or the plant would go to Mexico. Vanity Fair in Monroeville, AL moved off-country and threw even those low-wage workers on the dole. This drumbeat went on, and continues even to this day.
In Indiana, Ohio and Illinois I saw abandoned factories one year. The next year I was back up there the factories were gone - bulldozed to bare ground to save on property taxes. Industries that will never come back even if the work does because the environmental laws make it too expense to rebuild.
In the Old Days, the North headed for the South's cheap labor, but at least the money stayed in this country, not to mention the national skills base. Mostly gone now.
Competition is good for business.
No, it is not good for business. "Free Trade" as now practiced is good for business. Tell me why a flannel shirt made in Bangladesh costs $15 at Wal-Mart or a Tommy Helfiger T-Shirt made in Honduras costs $60. Most all of the money saved in going to cheap labor countries was channeled into larger compensation packages for the business executives.
None of these incidents came about because of automation or innovation. It came about because companies could relocate offshore but still have access to the lucrative U.S. market - something tariffs would have prevented. The only competition good for the consumers is that against equally/higher-paid workers in Europe or any other industrialized country. I have no qualms about that kind of competition, for among equals, it lowers prices. Competition to see who will work the cheapest benefits no one, even the host countries, as China and Mexico are finding out.
So you are nothing more than a socialist. You want Government to tell businesses how to operate.
Free Trade is capitalism.
Protectionism is socialism.
Free Trade is capitalism.
Boy, the gubmint schools have sure brainwashed you. The "Free Trade" you support, and is being practiced now, is one-sided. Have you read any of the provisions in NAFTA, for instance? It may be at your local library if you're in a city. Part One sounds reasonable. At the end of Part Two comes all the "modifications", which tilt the game in Mexico's direction. In almost all our trade agreements, we unilaterally drop our tariffs, the other side keeps theirs. Rather than spouting the standard propaganda, check out some of our so-called trade pacts, as I did, and see how we are taken to the cleaners. Real Free Trade means both sides drop their tariffs - "Fair Trade" if you will.
Protectionism is socialism.
Good Boy! You have learned well, grasshopper. Here's your biscuit. Keep repeating that while you're on the unemployment line because your job went to China or India, or any other place they could find somebody who would work cheaper than you. Then again, maybe you're a federal or state drone and don't have to worry about "competition".
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