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69% of GOP Voters Say Palin Helped McCain (Favorability among Republicans: ***91%***!!!)
Rasmussen Reports ^ | 11/07/08 | Staff

Posted on 11/07/2008 8:31:02 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Sixty-nine percent (69%) of Republican voters say Alaska Governor Sarah Palin helped John McCain’s bid for the presidency, even as news reports surface that some McCain staffers think she was a liability.

Only 20% of GOP voters say Palin hurt the party’s ticket, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey. Six percent (6%) say she had no impact, and five percent (5%) are undecided.

Ninety-one percent (91%) of Republicans have a favorable view of Palin, including 65% who say their view is Very Favorable. Only eight percent (8%) have an unfavorable view of her, including three percent (3%) Very Unfavorable.

When asked to choose among some of the GOP’s top names for their choice for the party’s 2012 presidential nominee, 64% say Palin. The next closest contenders are two former governors and unsuccessful challengers for the presidential nomination this year -- Mike Huckabee of Arkansas with 12% support and Mitt Romney of Massachusetts with 11%.

Three other sitting governors – Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, Charlie Crist of Florida and Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota – all pull low single-digit support.

These findings echo a survey earlier this week which found that Republicans were happier with their vice presidential candidate than with their presidential nominee. Seventy-one percent (71%) said McCain made the right choice by picking Palin as his running mate, while only 65% said the party picked the right nominee for president.

The key for the 44-year-old Palin will be whether she can broaden her base of support. An Election Day survey found that 81% of Democrats and, more importantly, 57% of unaffiliated voters had an unfavorable view of her.

Palin, Alaska’s first woman governor, was elected to a four-year term in 2006. She was largely unknown nationally until McCain chose her to be the party’s vice presidential candidate. She quickly became a darling of the GOP’s conservative base and energized the party’s rank-and-file.

Speculation about her future has run high for weeks when it appeared Barack Obama was likely to beat McCain. Already this week there is talk of her possibly taking the seat of embattled Republican Senator Ted Stevens if he manages to hang on and win won reelection despite recent federal felony convictions. Stevens would have to step down if his appeal of the convictions is unsuccessful.

Palin could also run for another term as Governor in the state where she still enjoys very high approval ratings.

Among Republicans, 66% of men and 61% of women say Palin is their choice for the Republican presidential nomination in 2012. Sixty-six percent (66%) of GOP women have a Very Favorable view of her, as do 64% of men.

While Palin’s high favorables suggest she has a bright political future in the Republican Party, it is important to note that favorites four years out from a presidential election quite often do not get the nomination. Obama, for example, was just an Illinois state senator four years ago, and Hillary Clinton appeared a shoo-in for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008.

Similarly, vice presidential candidates historically have seldom risen to the highest office by election.

Republicans are closely divided over the two most important issues in the next presidential election: 31% say economic issues, 30% say national security. Fifteen percent (15%) list fiscal issues, followed by cultural issues (12%) and domestic issues (6%). Five percent (5%) are undecided. Palin is overwhelmingly the top choice for 2012 among voters in all these categories.

Over two-thirds of Republicans describe themselves as conservative in terms of foreign policy, fiscal and social issues.

Eighty percent (80%) of Republicans have a favorable view of Huckabee, including 46% Very Favorable. Sixteen percent (16%) regard him unfavorably.

Eighty-one percent (81%) view Romney favorably, with 45% Very Favorable. Fifteen percent (15%) have an unfavorable opinion of him.

Jindal, Pawlenty, and Crist are far less known than the other candidates. Roughly 40% of GOP voters have no opinion one way or the other of these three Republican Governors.


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To: Huck
If Sarah wants to run, fine, but how about finding some serious competition and letting the best win?

OF COURSE! Trouble is, outside Bobby Jindal, I've seen nothing but spineless losers or RINO's.

Funny...we keep hearing about how Republicans have to be conservatives, now they have to be nuanced too?...sheesh...we'll never get anywhere!

Like I said, I'll take real conservatives and worry about them being polished as we go along!

301 posted on 11/07/2008 7:13:37 PM PST by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I was just about to look for this to send to my moderate Rep McC supporter neighbors/coworkers who blame Palin.

Thanks


302 posted on 11/07/2008 7:40:15 PM PST by sickoflibs ( Where were McCain's moderates and illegals on election day?)
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To: Bigg Red

If it weren’t for Duncan Hunter in the primaries and Sarah Palin on the ticket in the general, I’d have thrown in the towel on the GOP more than a year ago.

Tired of the “Big Tent” RINO clowns and circus freaks trying to pretend they deserve support from the base when they stand for NOTHING the party was founded upon. If you can’t support the party platform, like many of the candidates running this time, you should have ZERO support from the national GOP.


303 posted on 11/07/2008 9:01:38 PM PST by RasterMaster (DUmocrats - the party of slavery, sedition, subversion, socialism & surrender)
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To: tpanther

I think I’m just going to drop out of it. It’s not as if my vote makes a difference anyway. It’s a waste of time. The hell with it. The whole thing makes me want to puke. I’m just going to stop paying attention. Stop caring. Stop voting. No more talk radio. No more free republic. I’m just going to find actual useful ways to spend my time, because I’ve had it. I can’t take it anymore. I can’t think of a single vote I’ve ever made that was significant. The whole thing’s a joke. Shame on me for wasting so much time on it.


304 posted on 11/07/2008 9:33:15 PM PST by Huck (Don't vote! It only encourages them! Bye.)
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To: MuttTheHoople

Come on! That’s unfair. He was not as bad as Dole. No one is that bad.


305 posted on 11/07/2008 10:23:35 PM PST by newzjunkey (God damn America? He has indeed, Rev Wright. He has indeed.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I hope the Peggy Noonans of this world choke on this.


306 posted on 11/07/2008 10:25:29 PM PST by Antoninus (Beware of so-called Republicans who trash Sarah Palin.)
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To: Huck

It certainly feels insurmountable and pointless to participate doesn’t it.


307 posted on 11/07/2008 10:26:13 PM PST by newzjunkey (God damn America? He has indeed, Rev Wright. He has indeed.)
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To: Unlikely Hero
People won't remember much about her in 4 years especially if she builds on her exposure with a strong two years in her term as governor. I'd prefer she not go to the Senate to replace Stevens but that might place her better for 2012.

I don't have a Very High Favorable opinion but I do have a Favorable opinion of her. She wasn't necessarily ready this year but I think she's a rising star.

Come 2012, if Obama's policies drive us into a serious recession (or worse), it's anyone's guess where the electorate will be willing to go for answers.

308 posted on 11/07/2008 10:36:35 PM PST by newzjunkey (God damn America? He has indeed, Rev Wright. He has indeed.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Unfortunately, Independents didn’t have the same opinion and that helped us lose the election.


309 posted on 11/08/2008 12:14:34 AM PST by robert david (The Obamanation is upon us. God help America.)
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To: robert david

“Independants” weren’t ever going to be drawn to McCain over Obama, not with the MSM shilling the way they did. Independants have no soul and go with the flow as shown them by media sounbites. McCain never had a chance with them. McCain himself never brought them to vote for him. Palin at least brought the GOP voters out and made it a 5 point race, rather than the 15 point race it would have been without her.


310 posted on 11/08/2008 12:19:40 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: newzjunkey

I think he was close to being as bad as Dole, Sarah was just much better than Kemp at energizing the GOP.


311 posted on 11/08/2008 12:21:39 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: rightinthemiddle; counterpunch
"While 91% of GOPs view Palin favorably, 20% say she hurt the ticket."

Those numbers do not compute.

They do compute. You can have a favorable impression of Palin while, at the same time, believing that she hurt the ticket in the general election.

Look at the percentages from the article:

"Ninety-one percent (91%) of Republicans have a FAVORABLE view of Palin ... "

"An Election Day survey found that 81% of Democrats and, more importantly, 57% of unaffiliated voters had an UNFAVORABLE view of her."

Republicans gave Palin a pass on the Katie Couric interview disaster. Independents did not give her a pass and Democrats went for her jugular after the Katie Couric interview.

These are the percentages of Republicans, Democrats and Independent in the nation, as a whole.

Whether we like it or not, Democrats and Independents can and do vote in the general Presidential election and they constitute 73% of the American electorate.

Get out your calculator and crunch the numbers.

47% of all the voters in the general election had a FAVORABLE impression of Palin.

53% of all the voters in the general election had an UNFAVORABLE impression of Palin.

The final popular vote percentages in the general election were:

Obama/Biden: 52.6%

McCain/Palin: 46.1%

Palin’s unfavorable percentage was almost exactly the same as the winning popular vote percentage for Obama/Biden.

You can win a Free Republic popularity poll by getting 100% of the Republican vote and telling Democrats and Independents to go pound sand.

You can win a Republican primary election by getting 100% of the Republican vote and telling Democrats and Independents to go pound sand.

You WILL lose a general Presidential election by getting 100% of the Republican vote and telling Democrats and Independents to go pound sand.

312 posted on 11/08/2008 1:21:14 AM PST by Polybius
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

313 posted on 11/08/2008 2:07:07 AM PST by XR7
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To: LibLieSlayer
The other 33 1/3% of Republicans are sexist or rinos or both!

Or this concerns them:

"57% of unaffiliated voters had an unfavorable view of her"

But for a laugh... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2128534/posts

314 posted on 11/08/2008 2:12:26 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Gondring

The media are absolute slime merchants.

LLS


315 posted on 11/08/2008 4:03:34 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (GOD, Country, Family... except when it comes to dims! I am an UMA-unity my a$$)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

If what’s currently on Reddit is a reference, by saying that she’s not as hot as Angelina Jolie (I am not making this up...)


316 posted on 11/08/2008 10:44:40 PM PST by Moose Burger
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To: robert david
Unfortunately, Independents didn’t have the same opinion and that helped us lose the election.

Edited for truthfulness.

317 posted on 11/09/2008 5:53:34 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (G-d watch over and protect Sarah Palin and her family.)
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To: robert david
"Moderate" Republicans demanded (and were given) carte blanche opportunity to demonstrate, once and for all, that they knew how to win at the national level, this year.

They got exactly the candidate they wanted. They got exactly the party platform they demanded. The campaign was run exactly the way they insisted it be run.

How'd that end up working out for us, again...?

They actually managed to lose to a one-term Senate Marxist with open and unapologetic terrorist ties. The ONLY thing I want to hear from Team McCain or any of its shrill little online apologists, from this day forward, is a meek and contrite: "We're sorry."

They have nothing else worthwhile what. so. EVER. to contribute to any meaningful discussion, re: either conservatism or winning electoral strategies.

318 posted on 11/09/2008 6:11:57 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (G-d watch over and protect Sarah Palin and her family.)
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To: Polybius
You WILL lose a general Presidential election by getting 100% of the Republican vote and telling Democrats and Independents to go pound sand.

You WILL lose the next Presidential election -- just as you did this one, unforgivably, to a one-term Senate Marxist with open and unapologetic terrorist ties -- by alienating the conservative voting base still further (if that's even possible, at this point) and continuing to chase after the exact same phantom Democrats and "independents" who routinely spurn you every four years.

We did everything the RINO way this year, exactly the way the "moderates" wanted it, down to the last mewled syllable of their squishy, mealy-mouthed sock puppet's last apologetic campaign commercial.

The campaign "advice" offered up by these electoral dullards is, demonstrably, worth precisely jack squat. "Money talks, bull***t walks."

319 posted on 11/09/2008 6:38:39 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (G-d watch over and protect Sarah Palin and her family.)
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To: Huck

Way to cop an attitude, huck


320 posted on 11/09/2008 7:25:28 AM PST by altura
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; counterpunch
Unfortunately, Independents didn’t have the same opinion and that helped us lose the election.

"Moderate" Republicans demanded (and were given) carte blanche opportunity to demonstrate, once and for all, that they knew how to win at the national level, this year. They got exactly the candidate they wanted. They got exactly the party platform they demanded. The campaign was run exactly the way they insisted it be run. How'd that end up working out for us, again...?

We did everything the RINO way this year, exactly the way the "moderates" wanted it, down to the last mewled syllable of their squishy, mealy-mouthed sock puppet's last apologetic campaign commercial.

Look, guys, it's time to get a reality check here.

"Moderate" Republicans or "Conservative" Republicans or "(Insert label here) Republicans" are no longer in control of anything.

See Post 312. Independents are in control and "Independents" are not merely a faction. "Independents" far outnumber ALL Republicans put together.

America, right now, is split down the middle between "left of center" and "right of center". Millions of voters today were not even alive when Ronald Reagan left office. Millions more voters have long forgotten how it was to live with the economy going down the toilet under Jimmy Carter.

Tens of millions of voters TODAY only know that the economy is going down the toilet RIGHT NOW and, for the past eight years a Republican President that has claimed to be conservative was in the White House.

This year, the "Republican" name brand and the "conservative" name brand were as toxic as the brand name "liberal" was toxic in 1980. That's just the way the political pendulum swings.

So, this year, since "conservative" brand name is toxic to the majority of American voters and since the polar opposite of "conservative" must be good to the Democrat Sheeple brain, on the Democrat side, a one-term Senate Marxist is nominated.

So, this year, since "conservative" brand name is toxic to the majority of American voters, on the Republican side, a Moderate Republican is nominated with many right-of-center Independents voting in Republican primaries.

So, how do many "Conservatives" react to the choice between a Moderate Republican in the White House and a less than one-term Senate Marxist in the White House?

"McCain Is a RINO!!!! I will NEVER vote for a RINO!!!"

"I will NOT vote for the lesser evil!!!! I will throw away my vote by voting for that third party candidate listed between Ralph Nader and Cynthia McKinney!!!"

"I will not vote at all. I WILL STAY HOME ON ELECTION DAY!!!!"

Look at the comments on these threads to the effect that, "If it were not for Palin, I would not have voted for the McCain ticket at all!"

EVEN WHEN FACED WITH A MARXIST, these "conservatives" were threatening to stay home because they would rather have a Marxist in the White House than have a RINO in the White House.


"Pick a conservative VP candidate that I adore or I will stay home and let a Marxist become President of the United States!"

So, what does McCain do?

McCain panders.

"We must pick a 100% conservative VP that the conservatives adore or they will blow their own brains out and I think they're crazy enough to do it!"

Not an unreasonable decision. George W. Bush's greatest failing was his ability to communicate effectively. A smart as a whip conservative would have gotten the RINO-haters to the polls and maybe even repaired the damage to the Conservative brand name.

Many choices were available.

Then McCain OVER-PANDERS.

"We also need to pick a WOMAN! Make sure she has experience, executive experience."

All of a sudden, the wide choice narrows down to one person:

Sarah Palin.

We complain about Obama having "no experience" and McCain goes and picks a VP candidate that, since only December 4, 2006, has been the Governor of a state that has less than one third of the population of Dade County, Florida.

Before that, she was the Mayor of a town now has a grand total of 9,780 residents. At the conclusion of Palin's tenure as mayor in 2002, the town had about 6,300 residents

She has not even lived in the Lower 48 since 1987.

Come on! Really!

Sarah Palin might be a very nice lady. She might fit right in here at Free Republic. We might love to have her as a next door neighbor.

However, the fact remains that Sarah Palin was WAAAAAAY in over her head as a potential major player on the national or international stage.

And it showed. It showed very painfully.

Does Sarah Palin Read?

If you still live in Seattle, you know that, even among Independent voters, Sarah Palin became the punchline of a joke.

Fairly or unfarly, to the 53% of all American voters with an UNFAVORABLE opinion of her, Sarah Palin has become a Dan Quail in a skirt.

Like Dan Quail, in regards to winning a future Presidential election, Sarah Palin is toast.

You will NOT win a Presidential election when 53% of the voters have an UNFAVORABLE opinion of you.

You just don't. That's not Rocket Science.

Sarah Palin was an Affirmative Action VP pick ("If we pick a woman, female voters will vote for her because she is a woman) just like Barack Obama was an Affirmative Action choice ("I am voting for Obama so I can say I voted for the first African-American President!").

Be brutally honest with yourself in answering these two questions.

If Barack Obama's father had been a white, blue eyed, Norwegian, graduate student named Bjorn Olsen who left him as a baby to be raised by a white American mother, would anybody give "Barry Olsen", white, blue eyed, ex-community organizer, first term Senator from Illinois, the slightest consideration as a serious Presidential candidate?

If Sarah Palin had been "Roger Palin", a man who was an ex-small town Mayor and then Governor of Alaska, a state with less than one third the population of Dade County, Florida, for less than two years, would anybody give the slightest consideration to Roger Palin as a serious VP candidate?

Can you truthfully answer, "Yes" to either of those two questions?

With the liberals now in power, dollars to donuts, things will go south unless Obama makes a sharp right turn towards the center.

If things get really bad, as they did with Jimmy Carter, then "liberal" will once again become the toxic brand name.

At such time, a conservative can win but it must be a serious candidate with serious preparation and experience for the job.

Just being conservative and cute will get you gushing reviews on FR but, unless you bring something else to the table, you will be an utter failure when you strive for electoral victory outside of your own little local political stomping grounds or outside your own little political fan club.

Case in point:


321 posted on 11/09/2008 9:06:40 AM PST by Polybius
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To: Polybius
it's time to get a reality check here.

Agreed. Again: "Money talks, bull***t walks."

Your boy (McCain) and your floptastic electoral "strategy" -- i.e., sniveling and bellycrawling after phantom "moderates" and independents, while simultaneously excorciating the actual conservative voting base -- l-o-s-t LOST. You, he and it: all well and truly discredited.

Make certain to wave at me from your front row seat at the McCain Inauguration ceremony.

322 posted on 11/09/2008 9:11:32 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (G-d watch over and protect Sarah Palin and her family.)
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To: Lakeshark
“Independants” weren’t ever going to be drawn to McCain over Obama, not with the MSM shilling the way they did.

Not true. He squandered the opportunity to speak to the American people unfiltered--in the first two debates.

323 posted on 11/09/2008 10:00:42 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Lakeshark
“Independants” weren’t ever going to be drawn to McCain over Obama, not with the MSM shilling the way they did.

Not true. He squandered the opportunity to speak to the American people unfiltered--in the first two debates.

324 posted on 11/09/2008 10:00:44 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: scory
"If she is as smart as I think she is she will take some time to unwind and rest up and then start to network with conservative leaders in the GOP and work to reestablish conservative control of the party. This can be done and in fairly short order if it is started now while the party is in disarray and the RINOs are discredited. And if she does this she needs to reach out to the talk radio barons and to the rightwing blogosphere. "

Best post on the thread- and I read the whole thread.

She IS the nominee if she does the neccessary work (and any Republican candidate needs to do a whole lot of work).

325 posted on 11/09/2008 10:36:30 AM PST by mrsmith
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Nobody much thought Earl Warren in 1948 helped Thomas E. Dewey, but Eisenhower still put Warren on the Supreme Court, where he undermined American liberties. In the history of the decline and fall of the United States, there must be several chapters on “Republican” perfidity.


326 posted on 11/09/2008 12:37:01 PM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: Huck

That’s why I wish I had voted (for conscience sake) for Pat Buchanan against the perfidious GWB in 2000.


327 posted on 11/09/2008 12:38:42 PM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"Money talks, bull***t walks."

You mean like the trillions of dollars in 401K wealth that has evaporated in the past few months during what the average American voters believes to be a "conservative" Republican Presidency?

All the average American voter knows is that his nest egg has exploded and they blame "conservatives" and "Republicans" for that. You still are clueless about the fact that, in America, THE POLITICAL PUBLIC OPINION PENDULUM SWINGS BACK AND FORTH and the rest of America is not the Free Republic echo chamber where we conservatives always win our own popularity contests by a landslide.

Outside of our own conservative choir, in 2008, both of the political brand names of "conservative" and "Republican" were lower in popularity among the average American voter than whale sh*t at the bottom of the ocean.

Your boy (McCain) and your floptastic electoral "strategy" -- i.e., sniveling and bellycrawling after phantom "moderates" and independents, while simultaneously excorciating the actual conservative voting base -- l-o-s-t LOST. You, he and it: all well and truly discredited. Make certain to wave at me from your front row seat at the McCain Inauguration ceremony.

The only two things that have been discredited are:

1) "Do it my way or we conservatives will boycott the election and allow a Marxist to win the White House.

2) Pandering to Identity Politics. ("Let's choose an inexperienced female to get the female vote!")

Look at the numbers:

Republicans constitute 27% of all voters and Conservative Republicans constitute 60% of all Republicans.

That means that "Conservative Republicans" constitute less than 17% of American voters. Yet, to the "More Conservative Than Thou Crowd", if the top of the national ticket was not conservative, you were going to pout and stay home on Election Day.

Well, McCain DID pick a conservative and you were ecstatic about his conservative choice and you still are. He pandered to your political threat to choose a conservative VP so you would not boycott the election, EVEN IN THE FACE OF A MARXIST.

Where McCain really messed up is that he pandered TOO much by the Identity Politics choice of a woman when there were NO female conservative choices for the VP slot that had the experience needed to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency.

If McCain had picked Fred Thompson or Mitt Romney or anybody else that a serious person could at least claim was experienced on the national stage without lying, things might have turned out differently although, with trillions of 401K money being lost in the stock market over the past two months, even Ronald Reagan in his prime would have had a hard time selling "conservative" to the average American voter in 2008.

As it was, there were two candidates on the tickets that that had no experience to be truly qualified in regards to the Presidency: Barack Obama and Sarah Palin.

The voters chose the one that at least could hold his own against Katie Couric.

328 posted on 11/09/2008 2:04:35 PM PST by Polybius
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To: Reagan Man

IMO the problem was with McCain’s campaign expecting her to go from 0 to 100 mph on national issues with no primary season warm up and a hostile press. They should have picked her a few months early and quietly “warmed” her up on national issues. She was great and it’ll be a lot more difficult for the press to beat her up again if she runs.


329 posted on 11/09/2008 2:28:54 PM PST by Red Dog #1
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To: mrsmith; scory
"If she is as smart as I think she is she will take some time to unwind and rest up and then start to network with conservative leaders in the GOP and work to reestablish conservative control of the party. This can be done and in fairly short order if it is started now while the party is in disarray and the RINOs are discredited. And if she does this she needs to reach out to the talk radio barons and to the rightwing blogosphere. "

Best post on the thread- and I read the whole thread. She IS the nominee if she does the neccessary work (and any Republican candidate needs to do a whole lot of work).

Okay, so Palin then wins the Republican nomination in 2012 and is in total control of a Republican Party that appeals only to conservative Republicans and is headed by an individual that has a national UNFAVORABLE rating of 53% right now.

What then?

Lose the 2012 Presidential Election 27% to 73%?

Of all the people in the Republican Party, are there no better candidates for 2012 than a woman that has been Governor since only December 4, 2006 of a state that has less than one third the population of Dade County, Florida who has been, fairly or unfairly, "Dan Quayled" to the point that, to over half of the American voters, "Sarah Palin" is synonymous with "the punchline of a joke".

330 posted on 11/09/2008 2:40:58 PM PST by Polybius
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To: Lakeshark; robert david
“Independants” weren’t ever going to be drawn to McCain over Obama, not with the MSM shilling the way they did. Independants have no soul and go with the flow as shown them by media sounbites. McCain never had a chance with them. .... Lakeshark

If what you said was true, then the final result would have been 73% for Obama and 27% for McCain.

I know of many Independents that were leaning McCain, even after the Palin choice was made.

Once it became known how little experience Palin had and after the disaterous interview with Katie Couric, those Independents went over to Obama.

Does Sarah Palin Read?

Palin at least brought the GOP voters out and made it a 5 point race, rather than the 15 point race it would have been without her.

In other words, many so-called "conservatives" were willing to stay home on Election Day and cut off their noses to spite their face because they would rather have a Marxist in the White House than a RINO in the White House.

That is truly pathetic.

Be that as it may, there had to be a better conservative choice than Palin.

Palin was chosen because she was the only conservative female Governor there was and I thought we conservatives were supposed to be against Affirmative Action.

As I noted in another post:

If Sarah Palin had been "Roger Palin", a man who was an ex-small town Mayor and then Governor of Alaska, a state with less than one third the population of Dade County, Florida, for less than two years, would anybody give the slightest consideration to Roger Palin as a serious VP candidate?

331 posted on 11/09/2008 2:59:59 PM PST by Polybius
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To: Polybius
I repeat:
Best post on the thread- and I read the whole thread. She IS the nominee if she does the neccessary work (and any Republican candidate needs to do a whole lot of work).

Everyone's so emotional about this!

We've got some good candidates. Whichever can find an acceptable and promising way to an electoral victory will be the one who deserves our support.
It ain't going to be easy, and that way may be a surprise.
Hard work will be a large part of that way IMO.
Hey, if some other person does that neccessary work instead then they will be the nominee.
Governor Palin obviously has the momentum- 4 years out.
But it comes down to who can find a way and make it work. It was the best post because it was on that subject.

Frankly, it is silly to the point of dishonesty to pretend this is 2012 or that the situation in 2012 will be what it is now.
The Governor has shown the world she is an excellent candidate in a very difficult situation. But naturally I expect even better of her with more experience.
You want another candidate, good luck. Build them up.

332 posted on 11/09/2008 3:39:51 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: Polybius
I think you're entirely wrong. Palin was not the problem.

McCain's lame response to the market drop and the economic crisis lost the election, period. Palin kept him in it rather than hurt him.

333 posted on 11/09/2008 4:38:43 PM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Gondring

He lost the election in the debates, in his response to the market crisis, and his unwillingness to go after Obama’s past. He simply did and said too little. He needed to be Patton instead of Bradley.


334 posted on 11/09/2008 4:41:36 PM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Lakeshark
I think you're entirely wrong. Palin was not the problem. McCain's lame response to the market drop and the economic crisis lost the election, period. Palin kept him in it rather than hurt him.

Palin was not THE problem but she was definitely A problem.

Maybe you live in a solid Red area where everybody loved Sarah but, elsewhere, among voters that were not Republicans (73% of all voters) Sarah Palin became, fairly or unfairly, the punchline to a joke.

This was not Palin's fault. McCain picked her, in spite of her inexperience, so McCain must shoulder the blame for any negative her inexperience and her very poor fund of knowledge brought to the ticket.

Face it, if you can't rattle off the names of 6 or 7 newspapers for Katie Couric, like any regular FR poster can, you are not reading from them online or from the paper copy. For the Governor of Alaska, that's fine. Politics are local. For a VP candidate, that is devastating and non-Republicans were horrified at the performance.

Even the very conservative daughter of a friend of mine from a family that has never voted for a Democrat President, ever, called her mother after the Katie Couric interview to say, "Mom! Palin was horrible in the interview with Katie Couric! Just horrible!!"

And, no, the daughter is not an Obama supporter. She is devastated that Obama won.

The question now is if Sarah Palin will be a winner or a loser in 2012 as the Presidential candidate.

It is my firm belief that a ticket with Sarah Palin at the head will be an electoral disaster of Biblical proportions.

Yes, the Republicans love her but Republicans constitute only 27% of all American voters and, today, 53% of all American voters have an UNFAVORABLE opinion of Sarah Palin and that is even before she has even been elected to any national office.

335 posted on 11/09/2008 5:03:01 PM PST by Polybius
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To: Polybius
McCain absolutely was the problem.

I honestly never saw the Couric interview, just figured they would try to make her look bad. She did just fine every time I saw her, and will do much better if she decides to run again.

She did very well in her debate, far better than McCain did in his. Best lines of the debates was hers. "Can I call you Joe?"and "in case you forgot, it was a war resolution" and quite a few more.

336 posted on 11/09/2008 5:13:00 PM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Polybius
If McCain had picked Fred Thompson or Mitt Romney or anybody else that a serious person could at least claim was experienced on the national stage without lying, things might have turned out differently

*Yawn*

Once again, for all the slow children waaaaaaaay up there in the cheap seats: losers don't get to splutter, lecture or pontificate, without all the sober and non-retarded listeners in the audience pointing and giggling uncontrollably in response. That's because losers, by definition -- being losers -- lack the necessary credibility to effectively splutter, lecture or pontificate in the first place. Stamp your hoof twice, if any of this is sinking in yet.

Uncontested FACT: "Moderates" squishes got to run exactly the RINO candidate they most wanted. Said candidate ended up being solidly and unforgivably slaughtered in the electoral college by an empty suit of clothes with a nice, toothy smile. Credibility of RINO moderates on the topic of Proper Candidate Selection, as a logical and inevitable end result: 0.

Uncontested FACT: "Moderates" squishes got a campaign run precisely the way they (and their RINO candidate) desired, down to the last "honorable" detail. Said campaign couldn't even muster a piddling 150 electoral votes versus an aopen and unapologetic terrorist sympathizer whose hand-picked VP running mate believes FDR was President during the Great Depression and that "J-O-B-S" is a three-letter word. Credibility of RINO moderates on the topic of Proper Campaign Structure and Operation, as a logical and inevitable end result: 0.

Last time pays for all, kiddies: "Money talks, bull***t walks." When the Ford/Dole/McCain actually manages to WIN a presidential elction, the conservative voting base might actually start listening to the squish wing's increasingly tired snakeoil pitches without rolling our eyes and snorting.

Not one nano-second before, however. We have absolutely no good reason whatsoever to do so, after all.

You just continue to lose and lose and lose, each and every single time we (foolishly) allow you yet another opportunity to prove yourselves. You're the Seattle Mariners of American politics.

No one's listening. And that's no one's fault but your own.

337 posted on 11/10/2008 12:51:47 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (G-d watch over and protect Sarah Palin and her family.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; Aria
If McCain had picked Fred Thompson or Mitt Romney or anybody else that a serious person could at least claim was experienced on the national stage without lying, things might have turned out differently

*Yawn* Once again, for all the slow children waaaaaaaay up there in the cheap seats: losers don't get to splutter, lecture or pontificate,

That's right. And "the losers" were YOU and every other so-called "conservative" with the common sense of a Labrador Retriever that threatened to stay home and allow a Marxist to gain the White House unless the candidates were exactly to your liking in an election year when the "conservative" brand name had been made toxic to the majority of American voters by George W. Bush.


* The Losers *

Uncontested FACT: "Moderates" squishes got to run exactly the RINO candidate they most wanted.

FACT: If the "Moderates" had had their way, Sarah Palin would still be a name that 99.5% of the American voters had never heard of. Although she was conservative, she was an unqualified Affirmative Action candidate if there ever was one. She still is.

Even FReepers watching the Palin-Couric interview thought that Palin "was awful during the Couric" interview.

Does Sarah Palin Read?

Palin Couric Interview & Upcoming VP Debate

And that was just FReepers. I have a laundry list of Independents ( you might hate Independents but they constitute 36% of the entire American electorate and they are allowed to vote whether you like it or not ) that I know of who were leaning McCain before the Palin choice put them firmly in the Obama camp.

That goes for the relatives of FReepers too:

I love Sarah but I’m worried that as far as he media - and their gotchitis - is concerned that she is too green and there isn’t enough time to get her up to speed. I have two female relatives who are upset at being presented with such an unqualified VP. Of course I had to point out their complaints could be applied to Obama but unfortunately Obama does quite a good job of covering himself up.

That is the defense of the Republican ticket that was left to us prior to the election, "Our VP candidate is unqualified for the Oval Office if McCain should die but your Presidential candidate candidate is unqualified for the Oval Office if he gets elected."

Did you ever crunch the numbers in the article that you yourself posted like I advised you to?

Obviously not.

If you had, you would have seen that the total UNFAVORABLE rating among the ENTIRE American electorate for Sarah Palin was 53%.

FIFTY THREE PERCENT UNFAVORABLE RATING!

That was not 53% saying "I like Coke more than I like Pepsi." That was 53% saying UNFAVORABLE as in, "I like Coke but I will never drink cod liver oil."

That was exactly the percentage of votes that Obama got: 53%

In case you have not figured it out, it is mathematically impossible to win any election when over 50% of the entire electorate has an UNFAVORABLE opinion of you and, there you are, like a 13 year old schoolboy with a crush on the Homecoming Queen, championing Sarah Palin, with a 53% UNFAVORABLE rating, to be the head of the 2012 ticket.

Even my Labrador Retriever has more common sense than that.

338 posted on 11/10/2008 5:39:05 AM PST by Polybius
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To: Polybius

Positives and negatives are not static and can be shifted up or down. In politics nothing is static.

Palin may not be the leader the GOP needs. But she may be exactly the leader. Who knows at this point? We do know that she rallied the base big time and shows talent as a speaker and so there is certainly potential there.

Nixon was a lost cause after losing the presidential race on 1960 and then losing the race for California governor in 1962. He also had pretty high negatives and the press hated him. I submit that Mrs. Palin is far more likeable than Mr. Nixon.

We should not take the definitions of politicians supplied by the leftist press as gospel but as what they are: propaganda. The GOP must work to neutralize this. They have done it in the past and it can be done again.


339 posted on 11/10/2008 7:23:49 AM PST by scory
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...

Mitt Romney: I’m no back stabber
Boston Herald | 11/8/2003 | Dave Wedge
Posted on 11/09/2008 3:27:03 PM PST by GVnana
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2129023/posts

The Once and Future Hillary Clinton
Time | 11-5-08 | Karen Tumulty
Posted on 11/09/2008 3:39:35 PM PST by STARWISE
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2129029/posts


340 posted on 11/10/2008 2:36:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, October 11, 2008 !!!)
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To: Antoninus

you and me both. i bear a lot of animus against peggy noonan for her snotty attitude towards sarah palin. she completely discredited herself, IMO.


341 posted on 11/10/2008 2:41:31 PM PST by xsmommy
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To: Polybius
When the Ford/Dole/McCain actually manages to WIN a presidential elction, the conservative voting base might actually start listening to the squish wing's increasingly tired snakeoil pitches without rolling our eyes and snorting.

Not one nano-second before, however. We have absolutely no good reason whatsoever to do so, after all.

You just continue to lose and lose and lose, each and every single time we (foolishly) allow you yet another opportunity to prove yourselves. You're the Seattle Mariners of American politics.

No one's listening. And that's no one's fault but your own.

Lather, rinse, repeat. And STFU.

342 posted on 11/10/2008 3:11:16 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (G-d watch over and protect Sarah Palin and her family.)
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To: Mr. Silverback; Tennessee Nana; AuntB; TADSLOS
Welcome to the Bizarro World.

Worst. Infection. EVER. ;)

343 posted on 11/10/2008 4:30:18 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (G-d watch over and protect Sarah Palin and her family.)
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To: Polybius; KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; counterpunch
She has not even lived in the Lower 48 since 1987. Come on! Really

Kathleen Parker, is that you? Kathy, just because your hubby got a chubby when he saw this Palin woman doesn't mean you have to keep making up these reasons to be horrified. After all, some of them are awfully big stretches, like this bizarre "Lower 48" objection. Sure, those Alaskans are hopeless rubes (Andrew Sullivan calls them "snowbillies," how very droll!) but I'm horrified to imagine that if I ran for President you would say I'm unqualified because I've never lived south of Lake County, Illinois. And no, the villa in Tuscany doesn't count, darling.

Of course, you wouldn't really do that, because I'm a large, hirsute but well-bred man and your husband would never get an erection after seeing me give a speech. If he leaned that way, he would have married Janet Reno, not you, Kathleen.

Of course, we can forget about me and look at that nice young mulatto chap you loved so much during the campaign, Kathy: Barack Obama. How much time did he spend outside the Lower 48 Kathy, and has he ever lived south of Chicago? Not since well before 1987, dear old girl.

Lastly, dear Kathy, you should consider that people said President Bush didn't read, either, and even tried to use his comments about newspapers as "proof" that he was an intellectually bereft rube adopted by the Bushes after his carnie parents abandoned him. Yet we know that the man is a voracious reader of history and political theory, and that he and that nice Karl Rove (tragedy he's from the University of Utah instead of the Ivy League, isn't it? Atrocious!) have a running contest to see who's read more books. The fourth estate tried that gambit with Reagan as well. Kathy dear, you really must grasp firml the reality that just because Katie Couric serves a wonderful mimosa doesn't mean her opinion on Republican candidates is even a bit trustworthy.

Oh, and one last thing, Kathleen dear: Coddsie told me to say a warm hello. Hope you can see us in Nassau in January! As Coddsie's droll old dad used to say, we're going to steer this yacht hard-a-starboard!

Warmest Regards,
C. Wellington Silverback the Fourth

344 posted on 11/10/2008 6:06:58 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("[Palin] has not even lived in the Lower 48 since 1987. Come on! Really!" --Polybius)
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To: Mr. Silverback

That one’s gonna zoom so far over his head, so quickly, it’ll leave a visible contrail. ;)


345 posted on 11/10/2008 6:11:49 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (G-d watch over and protect Sarah Palin and her family.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

“69% of GOP Voters Say Palin Helped McCain (Favorability among Republicans: ***91%***!!!)”

Good.
Let the back stabbers keep attacking her. We will collect their names and cast them out.


346 posted on 11/10/2008 6:15:15 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I can't wait for January 20, 2013)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I cut my teeth in Strategic Air Command, baby. Contrails are my specialty!


347 posted on 11/10/2008 6:17:30 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("[Palin] has not even lived in the Lower 48 since 1987. Come on! Really!" --Polybius)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I cut my teeth in Strategic Air Command, baby. Contrails are my specialty!

Note tagline. :-)


348 posted on 11/10/2008 6:17:45 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("[Palin] has not even lived in the Lower 48 since 1987. Come on! Really!" --Polybius)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Another thing, where in the heck is McCain's defense of Plain?

We have waited a week now.

Mr. McCain, I was out making phone calls for McCain /Palin. Without Palin I would not have been out there. And I know my sentiment is echoed by thousands.

349 posted on 11/10/2008 6:19:29 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I can't wait for January 20, 2013)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
Another thing, where in the heck is McCain's defense of Palin?

Same place his conservative principles are. Unfortunately.

350 posted on 11/10/2008 6:21:18 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (G-d watch over and protect Sarah Palin and her family.)
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