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Dire economic effect of 'Do not call' lists exposed.
Direct Marketing News-CSS ^ | 6-11-2008 | Peter Adrians

Posted on 11/07/2008 5:54:14 PM PST by indianbob

Business think tank, Direct Marketing Directions, has released their findings on the worldwide effect of ‘Do not call’ lists throughout the English-speaking world based on six months worth of research and interviews.

(Excerpt) Read more at corporatesalessolutions.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: business; donotcall; economy; financial; pests; sales; telemarketing; telesales
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1 posted on 11/07/2008 5:54:14 PM PST by indianbob
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To: indianbob

I have to say that my gut response is “screw them” - these are people who make their living harassing other people... I just don’t feel sorry for them


2 posted on 11/07/2008 5:55:43 PM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: indianbob

Yes, if only salesmen were allowed to phone us day and night, the economy would still be booming!


3 posted on 11/07/2008 5:56:20 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: proxy_user

ROFL. Shakespeare said kill the lawyers...I say kill the telemarketers!


4 posted on 11/07/2008 5:57:33 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: indianbob

This sets off the BS detectors. I can’t imagine shutting down telemarketers hurting the economy in any big way. Who in the hell buys anything from a telemarketer?

I’d say about the same percentage that buys something from an email spammer.


5 posted on 11/07/2008 5:57:42 PM PST by KoRn
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To: indianbob
The think tank suggests possible amendments to the way the lists are administered. These include: Charging a small fee for registration and setting a time-out clause that forces residencies to renew every three months.

%#&* them. I'll get rid of my damm phone first. Next it will be cell phones.

6 posted on 11/07/2008 5:58:22 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (Is ACORN founder Wade Rathke, a Bill Ayers Weather Underground Associate)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

It’s just another way to get our money.


7 posted on 11/07/2008 5:59:53 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U
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To: indianbob

I’m having a real tough time worrying about the telemarketers.


8 posted on 11/07/2008 6:00:44 PM PST by HoosierHawk
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To: anniegetyourgun

We’re on the ‘do not call’ list and haven’t been harassed by them for several years. It’s been great. However, every charity in the world has our phone number, not to mention the campaign ‘bots that were constantly calling. Our phone died two weeks ago, and we decided to get ‘caller id’. Best thing we ever did!


9 posted on 11/07/2008 6:00:55 PM PST by sneakers
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To: indianbob
The think tank estimates that over 100,000 jobs have been lost as a result of these initiatives and upwards of (USD) $10 billion has been removed from the economy. Up to 20,000 businesses may have closed thanks to the measures. The lists have significantly added to marketing costs of many businesses and have had a negative environmental impact as a result of business being forced to use less environmentally-friendly methods of attracting clientele, for instance, the use of printed flyers.

I call BS with a capital B.

10 posted on 11/07/2008 6:01:01 PM PST by A message (I'll respect 0bama the way the Dems respected President Bush- dissent is patriotic.)
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To: indianbob

I hate getting recorded messages on my Cell (well, I hate it on my landline as well, but at least that doesn’t cost me any money).

I don’t know if I could vote to convict if I was on the jury of someone accused of kneecapping one of them.


11 posted on 11/07/2008 6:01:06 PM PST by PAR35
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To: sneakers

I’ve stopped answering the phone because everyone wants something from me....even my kids!


12 posted on 11/07/2008 6:02:19 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: KoRn
I can’t imagine shutting down telemarketers hurting the economy in any big way. Who in the hell buys anything from a telemarketer?

I think they were talking about economic damage caused by telemarketers who lost their jobs.

Yeah, I know, cry me a river...

13 posted on 11/07/2008 6:04:43 PM PST by Drew68
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To: indianbob

That’s funny.


14 posted on 11/07/2008 6:05:24 PM PST by PjhCPA (stop flapping your gums and DO SOMETHING)
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To: indianbob

I was polled a dozen times in the last month. All legal, of course. Made me cranky.


15 posted on 11/07/2008 6:07:43 PM PST by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: Drew68

I just don’t care if they lost the crappy job of bugging people. Too bad, it was a bad, made up job that should be gone.


16 posted on 11/07/2008 6:07:52 PM PST by bfree (FBO)
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To: indianbob

I don’t want to be called by telemarketers. I’m not going to buy the junk. Now I don’t have to listen to the sales pitches.


17 posted on 11/07/2008 6:08:14 PM PST by mysterio
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To: indianbob
GOOD! Even if the entire world tanks it's still worth it.
18 posted on 11/07/2008 6:08:42 PM PST by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: indianbob

The economy would be booming even more if these people could just break into my house while I was here and directly steal my money. So I guess that should be allowed too in the name of economic growth.


19 posted on 11/07/2008 6:09:27 PM PST by mhx
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To: anniegetyourgun

LOL! I hear you.


20 posted on 11/07/2008 6:15:16 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: indianbob

Telemarketing companies going out of business does not fit my definition of a “problem”.

If a business or industry cannot survive without intruding on people who have made it clear they want to be left alone, it has no business existing.

The same is true for businesses that claim they cannot survive without illegal alien labor.


21 posted on 11/07/2008 6:20:14 PM PST by Above My Pay Grade
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To: HoosierHawk

HRC would call them “undercapitalized businesses”.


22 posted on 11/07/2008 6:26:31 PM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: indianbob
“The think tank estimates that over 100,000 jobs have been lost as a result of these initiatives and upwards of (USD) $10 billion has been removed from the economy. Up to 20,000 businesses may have closed thanks to the measures.”

They are parasites. Our land line gets many of these calls per day, we have been on do not call list for 3 years.

There is a $10,000 fine if they violate the list. There is information on how to sue them and collect damages.
I am seriously looking attempting to do this

23 posted on 11/07/2008 6:26:48 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I can't wait for January 20, 2013)
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To: indianbob

To the telemarketers: tough, ya need a tissue? I got one that I’m not using.


24 posted on 11/07/2008 6:36:05 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: anniegetyourgun
"ROFL. Shakespeare said kill the lawyers...I say kill the telemarketers! "

There is a better way!

The Greatest Prank Call Ever

25 posted on 11/07/2008 6:36:17 PM PST by An Old Man
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To: Theodore R.
HRC would call them "undercapitalized businesses".

SUBSIDY! BAILOUT! You know, maybe those 2 AM infomercials get have their own Congressional bailout program. Then you really can make millions by telling others how easy it is to flip houses.

26 posted on 11/07/2008 6:37:04 PM PST by HoosierHawk
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To: An Old Man

Now THAT’S funny!


27 posted on 11/07/2008 6:41:09 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: sneakers

I have been on the “do not call” list for years and yet I still get sales calls. Most aggressive telemarketers just ignore the list. I even get them at 8 in the am. When I mention that even if I were not on the list, they are required to call after 9am … I’m told that they can call as early as 8:30. When I bring to their attention that it is only a little after 8 am they just get snippety and hang up (only to call again after 9am).

If I attempt to complain at the “do not call” site, I get the scripted message that it takes many complaints to get an investigation started.

I will admit that the number of telemarketing calls are not what the used to be … they seem to be growing in number recently.


28 posted on 11/07/2008 6:41:16 PM PST by doc1019 (We are now an Obamanation. Palin 2012)
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To: gondramB
yeah! another conspiracy! dovetail this article with the following: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/55350.html and you'll understand how it all fits together........
29 posted on 11/07/2008 6:51:02 PM PST by GigiX3
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To: doc1019

The article seems to present a fair and balanced view of the industry issues.


30 posted on 11/07/2008 6:51:40 PM PST by hippydippy
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To: indianbob

Nonsense.
I never in my lifetime bought anything because someone called my home at suppertime. In fact there were probally things that I might have wanted to buy that I did not because that had pissed me off so much.
My Being on the no call list does not cost these people one cent as they never would have gotten one from me. It does allow them to call someone else that is not on the list that might buy something from them.


31 posted on 11/07/2008 7:00:19 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: sneakers

We got caller ID and an answering machine. Great combo.

Before that I would get calls:

T: Hello, may I speak to Mr. Right Wing Assault?
me: Uh, just a minute, I’ll get Right for you.

me: “Hey, Right! Phone call for you. No, I don’t know who it is, but it sounds pretty important.”

Then I would stall for a minute or so and make noises as if I were trying to get someone to come to the phone. “Hey, Right! Are you coming? This guy’s waiting.”

Then I would call one of my toddlers over and quietly tell him to talk to my friend on the phone.


32 posted on 11/07/2008 7:24:23 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: TribalPrincess2U
I'll get rid of my damm phone first. Next it will be cell phones.

We dumped our land line over three years ago and have NEVER regretted it. My parents dumped theirs last year, mostly because they were dreading election season.

33 posted on 11/07/2008 7:25:30 PM PST by Kieri (The Conservatrarian)
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To: hippydippy
The article seems to present a fair and balanced view of the industry issues.

An industry that shouldn't exist.

34 posted on 11/07/2008 7:25:51 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: indianbob; All
Here is the best way I have seen yet to deal with a telemarketer.
35 posted on 11/07/2008 7:26:04 PM PST by Zakeet (Pray for B. Hussein Obama -- Psalm 109:8 (NIV))
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To: indianbob

Just as I long thought, the real cause of the recession! Case in point: Layoffs at my company this week (seriously), which sells million dollar software packages. If you evil conservatives had taken those supper time calls, many working class people in my workplace would still have jobs.


36 posted on 11/07/2008 7:28:15 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Everytime they open their mouth they shoot themselves in the foot.)
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To: indianbob

Lets repeal the income tax and put all the IRS people out of work as well. Then they could compete with telemarketers for real jobs.


37 posted on 11/07/2008 7:31:27 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Right Wing Assault

HaHaHa! That’s excellent! LOL!


38 posted on 11/07/2008 7:31:57 PM PST by sneakers
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To: A message

“The think tank estimates that over 100,000 jobs have been lost as a result of these initiatives and upwards of (USD) $10 billion has been removed from the economy.”

“Removed from the economy.” Such total economic illiteracy. If people aren’t getting paid the $10 billion for tele-harassing, the money is getting spent on SOMETHING ELSE!


39 posted on 11/07/2008 8:06:56 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: indianbob
I guess I can't be too surprised at the reactions here. I was one of the few arguing that the nannie govt shouldn't be deciding who gets to call you or not. The economy shrinks when the govt gets to decide which information reaches you and which does not. At the time I suggested the phone companies could offer do-not-call as an benefit the same way some banks offer free ATM's (in network or out).

But again I was shot down, the govt must regulate ATM fees as well. So much for conservatism.

40 posted on 11/07/2008 10:44:02 PM PST by palmer (Some third party malcontents don't like Palin because she is a true conservative)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Such total economic illiteracy. If people aren’t getting paid the $10 billion for tele-harassing, the money is getting spent on SOMETHING ELSE!

The sales drive the salaries and sales are not being made. Your economics is the "window stays broken" fallacy.

41 posted on 11/07/2008 10:45:49 PM PST by palmer (Some third party malcontents don't like Palin because she is a true conservative)
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To: indianbob

I can’t say i’ve ever bought anything because of advertising and never because of salesman!

If I need something, I research it then go and purchase it.


42 posted on 11/07/2008 10:54:43 PM PST by dalereed
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To: indianbob

I think that much of our current economic crisis has been aggravated, if not caused, by the failure to burn down telemarketers’ houses. The lack of a steady stream of arson leads to job losses in local fire departments, which impacts their families most directly and then has a trickle-down effect to other members of the community.


43 posted on 11/07/2008 11:03:25 PM PST by Sloth (What's the difference between taxation and armed robbery, aside from who's doing it?)
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To: palmer
I guess I can't be too surprised at the reactions here. I was one of the few arguing that the nannie govt shouldn't be deciding who gets to call you or not.

Stopping property crimes is one of the few legitimate functions of government. It is perfectly appropriate for the state, at my request, to prevent strangers from trespassing on my phone.

44 posted on 11/07/2008 11:06:30 PM PST by Sloth (What's the difference between taxation and armed robbery, aside from who's doing it?)
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To: indianbob

Lame. A Tele-marketing “think tank”, talk about lipstick on a pig.


45 posted on 11/07/2008 11:06:43 PM PST by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/)
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To: HoosierHawk

Oh they have ways around the DNC list.


46 posted on 11/07/2008 11:08:34 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: palmer

If the sales are not being made, the money for them is being spent on something else, too. If the sales are not being made, it means people didn’t want whatever junk the tele-harassers were selling, anyway.

My real point is that talking about money being “removed” from the economy is basically meaningless, unless somebody burns a pile of money.


47 posted on 11/09/2008 2:40:52 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: TribalPrincess2U

Telemarketers are free to call your cell phone if it’s not listed on the Do Not Call regitry. They know how to get the lists. I put all my cells on that registry, suggest you do the same.


48 posted on 11/09/2008 2:43:16 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: indianbob

So what happened, did consumers start spending their money with less annoying companies instead? Certainly no economist is going to claim they started saving too much of it. Seems to me those dreadful telemarketing jobs must have been replaced by marginally better jobs at those less annoying companies that got a greater share of the consumer’s wallet. I’d imagine only the least satisfying companies had to go out of business because they could no longer strong-arm the elder during dinner, so the overall allocation of economic resources has been improved.


49 posted on 11/09/2008 2:49:56 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Sloth
Stopping property crimes is one of the few legitimate functions of government. It is perfectly appropriate for the state, at my request, to prevent strangers from trespassing on my phone.

The equivalent crime is someone on the street yelling at you in your yard. They have not gone on your property, but sent sound in your direction, or in the case of your phone, electrical current representing sound. If you can make a case that the person in the street is disturbing the peace and you should call the sheriff, then fine. But it's not trespass.

50 posted on 11/09/2008 6:15:44 AM PST by palmer (Some third party malcontents don't like Palin because she is a true conservative)
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