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Prop. 8 protests set in Laguna Beach, Lake Forest [Sat. and Sun.]
The Orange County Register ^ | November 7, 2008 | KELLI HART and ALEJANDRA MOLINA

Posted on 11/07/2008 7:54:48 PM PST by TheDon

Though Proposition 8 passed statewide and countywide, some residents are disappointed with the outcome and are expressing their discontent in protests against the Marriage Equality Act this weekend.

In Laguna Beach, where residents voted 68 percent against Prop. 8 and 31 percent for the gay marriage ban, opponents are marching in protest of the proposition passing Saturday at 5:30 p.m.


The march will include a candlelight vigil and starts at City Hall, 505 Forest Ave., and continues up to Main Beach.

Ed Todeschini, Orange County Federal Club co-chair for the Human Rights Campaign, says that no particular organization is putting on the march, but various "No on 8 leaders" in Orange County are taking part.


In Lake Forest, blogs report a planned protest outside Saddleback Church along Portola Parkway at 10 a.m. on Sunday.

Saddleback Church Pastor Rick Warren openly announced his support for Proposition 8.


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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: ca2008; gaymafia; homosexualagenda; prop8; saddleback
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1 posted on 11/07/2008 7:54:48 PM PST by TheDon
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To: TheDon
I've gotten over losing to Obama. Its time the queerly beloved GET A LIFE!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 11/07/2008 8:00:23 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: TheDon

just wanted to post this in case anyone wants to help support equality in our state.
Please join one of these vigils, protests/marches, and rallies in our area.
There’s supposed to be media coverage at the Saddleback one this Sunday.. and most likely the Laguna Beach one as well.
I’ll be at the Irvine one for sure, and if anyone from Irvine/Tustin wants to carpool over to Saddleback Church or Laguna Beach, please let me know! We need as many people as possible. Thank you.

No On Prop 8 Protest Vigil -
Costa Mesa, Friday 11/7 9pm
South Coast Plaza @ Bristol Street & Town Center Drive

No On Prop 8 Protest Rally -
Huntington Beach, Saturday 11/8 2pm
Huntington Beach Pier, Huntington Beach

No On Prop 8 Protest March & Vigil -
Laguna Beach, Saturday 11/8 5:30pm
City Hall 505 Forest Avenue, Laguna Beach
Marching to Main Beach from City Hall

No On Prop 8 Protest Rally -
Lake Forest/Orange County, Sunday 11/9 10am
In front of the Saddleback Church, 1 Saddleback Pkwy, Lake Forest

Why Saddleback?
Rick Warren of Saddleback Church came out publicly in an e-mail to his congregation telling them to Vote Yes on 8.
In exit polling, Christians voted 66% for Yes on 8.
Saddleback is also a VERY well known church and one of the largest in the country.
It’s a great place to have our voices heard and be seen. Please bring your friends - gay or straight. Christian or not.
All who support marriage equality are encouraged to come show their support
in front of one of the largest churches in America.

Bring your signs if you have them!
More info: http://saddleback8prot...

No On Prop 8 Candlelight Vigil -
Rancho Santa Margarita, Sunday 11/9 5-8pm
Lake Santa Margarita, Santa Margarita Pkwy, Rancho Santa Margarita
Some candles can be provided depending on the turn out, but please plan to bring your own just in case.
Bring as many friends as you can.
Bring a good attitude, too!
We will begin at the south side of RSM lake and probably plan a course down Santa Margarita Pkwy.


No On Prop 8 Protest -
Irvine, Thursday 11/13 4:30pm
Corner of Campus & Culver Drive, Irvine
Marching to Culver & Alton

3 posted on 11/07/2008 8:00:35 PM PST by TheDon
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To: TheDon

Even the Dummies plan to be there:

Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008
Time: 10:00am - 1:00pm
Location: Saddleback Church
Street: 1 Saddleback Parkway
City/Town: Lake Forest, CA

This is a protest of Proposition 8.

4 posted on 11/07/2008 8:02:29 PM PST by TheDon
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To: TheDon

Well isn’t that just precious!

5 posted on 11/07/2008 8:02:46 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: Bernard Marx
Queers United has listings for protests for the rest of the month!

Listing of Prop 8 Protests and Rallies

6 posted on 11/07/2008 8:05:40 PM PST by TheDon
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To: TheDon

Someone needs to tell them that he election is over and they lost, AGAIN!!!!!

7 posted on 11/07/2008 8:20:21 PM PST by oldenuff2no (Retired AB ranger and damn proud of it!!! I served to support our constitution and our way of life.)
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To: TheDon
Here's a wonderful post from a gay man - an ex LAPD cop. Sounds like a Log Cabin Republican. He voted FOR Proposition 8! I guess he's a self-hating gay! Well, this what he has to say about his own community:

As an openly gay man, and I am deeply offended by the actions of the protesters with respects to prop 8. This is NOT MY COMMUNITY! My community is better than this.

I spent nearly 25 years working for the Los Angeles Police Department (I am now retired) and I have a lot of respect for the City and people who call it home. I will never support activity like this.

Since June 21st 1991, I was openly gay with The LAPD- so I know a bit about "hate" and discrimination! I was on the "skirmish lines" during the AB101 protests back in the 1990's as a GAY officer- I had rocks and bottles thrown at me by my own damn community members- It was offensive then and it is offensive now.

When I see the photos in the LA times I see men and women who I know standing out on the skirmish lines with riot gear on- how shameful the protesters are!

Prior to this year’s election, I personally saw young men (who did not live in my community) out in the darkness ripping down "Yes on 8" signs out near my home in Agau Dulce/ Acton in LA County. They ran to a waiting car which was displaying the "rainbow flag." I shook my head in shame!

This is not who I am or what I stand for. Those involved should be ashamed of themselves and our community really needs to step back and take a hard look at themselves.

In the weeks leading up to the vote on Nov 4th, I and other voters frequently saw stories about Militant GLBT'S from the "No" campaign using violence to get out their message out. For Example, in Modesto, CA. a man was beaten and sent to the E/R- his crime? Posting "yes on 8" signs! In Fullerton, 5 gay men were arrested for the theft of "Yes on 8" signs after leaving a gay bar rally for "NO on 8". Acts of vandalism, and hate were by far more common with the "No" side (and sadly GLBT's) than the yes side. Now add to the mix that I know our community (GLBT) condones "goading tactics" when it comes to religion- I will not be a part of that!

I could care less about the actions of the YES side- they are not my community and I expect and require that my community act in a lawful, ethical manner-otherwise count me out!!!

Now I see images of a gay man jumping up and down on a LAPD patrol car in Hollywood while officers grapple with one on the asphalt. Now we have angry protesters blocking traffic and making threats towards a church- a house of worship. I am not Mormon- but I find the assault of ANY church deeply troubling and offensive- no matter what the name of it is! To say I was angry with the protesters was an understatement!

YESTERDAY! A GAY MAN from Palmdale, CA on MYSPACE said, "where is the F***** Mormon Church lets burn it down!" I took his remarks and sent them right to MYSPACE as TOS violations and then sent them to the proper law enforcement officials- THIS IS WRONG! The conduct of the GLBT community has crossed serious lines with this-there can be no excuse for this type of conduct.

I, AS A GAY MAN, WILL NEVER-EVER SUPPORT ACTIONS LIKE THIS! I will never knowingly associate with people who support actions like this- this is a basic violation of the things I hold dear in my life! Gay community or not means nothing- you cannot justify this type of conduct-NO WAY!

The Mormon Church is an easy target for those mindless protesters- the history of this church makes this clear. As I said, I am not a Mormon- but I respect the site as a church and respect it because of the values this nation was built upon.

Lori Jean, The director of the Los Angeles Gay and lesbian Center made remarks out in front of the Mormon Temple yesterday which could only be viewed as attempting to start a RIOT! I called her at the gay Community Center yesterday voiced my disgust for her actions as a community leader and the fact she claims to speak for the gay community. Lori Jean, The “director” of the gay Community Center in Los Angeles was a real part of the problem in trying to sell voters on Prop 8- she brings with her and “in your face” militant agendas when it comes to GLBT issues- “in your face tactics never work. Lori and her cronies at the Los Angeles Center clearly condone and advocate the use of “terror tactics” by radical members of our community to scar people and force agendas upon people- this is clear by the conduct of many in our community since the passage of prop 8.

If you are heterosexual and believe in God and then vote your beliefs- Lori and her cronies label you a “bigot” and “hate mongers” just to name a few. Support your beliefs and stand up for your values- Expect that Lori jean and get gay Gestapo’s will use cyber terrorism to post your information all over the internet! If you are gay and criticize her and the “movement” you are labeled a “self loathing gay man” (or a woman) which is OK with me- those protesters need me much more than I need them! I am happy with whatever label they choose to place upon me! I am sick of this whole thing-It’s time to move on.

The voters have spoken Lori Jean- from one gay man to a lesbian women-GET A LIFE AND MOVE ON! Let it alone! By keeping at this you run the risk of a nationwide back lash. Yes, all those protesters who showed up at LA’s CNN and were beamed all over the USA- yea that will cause people to support us! What a bunch of fools! If you are going to label those who voted "yes on 8" as "bigots" then please feel free to add my name to that list because I voted YES on prop 8-A GAY MAN! Just because I am gay does not mean I will march in "lock step" with the rest of the GLBT community-there will be no "free pass" in my views for GLBT's who act in this way. I will never support the actions or a community who acts like this.

The best way we can think of in getting out our message is DIRECTLY IMPACT RESPONSIBLE GAY OWNED BUSINESS in this tuff economy and have them communicate to people like Lori Jean and the others that their actions do more harm than good. So, my partner and I have opted to BOYCOTT ALL GAY OWENED AND OPERATED businesses (bars-ect) anywhere in California until further notice. We have no intention of spending money in places which will only turn around and hand it to the militants who want to trample over other rights of others-no way no how! The GLBT community needs to understand that if they want the support of RESPONSIBLE gay men; like us-then they should act like a CIVILIZED ADULTS-not spoiled children throwing a temper tantrum.

To all the Str8 and ‘civilized’ people and readers of Los Angeles, this is one gay man who wishes to apologize for the actions of the GLBT community. Sadly, the actions of a few jerks in the GLBT community have not cast a stain on the whole community- we are not all like this nor do we support the actions of those who violate the law or act out in this way. I can only hope that news outlets like the Los Angeles times will seek out those of us who DO NOT SUPPORT THIS ACTIVITY AND LET US TELL OUR STORY! We have a right to have our feelings known also.
Agua Dulce, CA 91390

John is a beautiful man. He's right to tell it like it is and that people have different opinions on the subject of marriage and they DO NOT ALL HATE GAYS! And what some in the gay community are doing will only hurt their cause in the long run. The people of California decided this issue. Being confrontational with them will not bring same sex marriage back in the state any time soon.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

8 posted on 11/07/2008 8:23:32 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: oldenuff2no

Yes they should tell them the election is over.

Does anyone know, as the gay activists are headed back to court, if they have a legal case to have Prop 8 overturned?

I ask because their legal argument is that Prop 8 conflicts with the constitution, even though it’s a constitutional amendment. I thought that when proposed ballot measures are approved, that they are legal to start with. For example, you couldn’t have a ballot initiative to bring back segregated schools, because that would be clearly unconstitutional. What I’m getting at is that the elections officials, or state legal officials, had to approve sending Prop 8 to the ballot, meaning that it is constitutional to vote on the definition of marriage. And the vote was just to define marriage, not to take away domestic partner rights, or any other rights under the law.

I find it hard to believe that you can retroactively file a lawsuit if you don’t like the results of an election like this.

9 posted on 11/07/2008 8:26:32 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego
The argument brought by the ACLU that this is a constitutional revision and not an amendment is lacking in merit. They brought a similar case in Oregon using the same argument and they LOST! Trying to get judges to do over the election because you don't like the result is not the way to win people over to your side! Sometimes people just don't agree with you. It doesn't mean all of them are evil or have bad motives. They may have reached the decision they did for perfectly good reasons. And now its time to move on!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

10 posted on 11/07/2008 8:31:19 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: TheDon
Had Prop 8 been defeated these cretins would be saying, "The voters have spoken".

But Prop 8 won, a fact they just can't seem to accept.

11 posted on 11/07/2008 8:40:12 PM PST by South40
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To: South40

They should be protesting in Compton, East LA etc. Every analysis so far has pointed to the Black and Hispanic voters passing prop 8. Apparently most white voters voted No on prop 8. But hey, fight the enemy you know right?

12 posted on 11/07/2008 8:43:22 PM PST by catbertz
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To: TheDon

Are you supporting the anti-8 crowd or looking for counter-protestors? Your motivation for posting this is unclear.

13 posted on 11/07/2008 8:54:09 PM PST by informavoracious (U.S.A. 1776-2008 R.I.P.)
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Yes, blacks and latinos helped pass Prop 8; it couldn't have passed without them. Just as Zero could not have been elected without the white vote in a country Zero himself thinks is racist.

Liberalism is a disease.

14 posted on 11/07/2008 8:54:19 PM PST by South40
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To: informavoracious
Your motivation for posting this is unclear.

My browser says this is, I think the motivation is clear, unless some FReepers have turned to the dark side as of late....

15 posted on 11/07/2008 9:02:30 PM PST by TheDon
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To: TheDon
Why not in Lynwood, Compton or Inglewood?

Go to where the votes came from by a 70% majority.

They are a bunch of cowards IMO.

16 posted on 11/07/2008 9:03:06 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: South40

The homosexuals are going nuts. It’s nice to see. Even in Cali we don’t go for redefining marriage.

17 posted on 11/07/2008 9:05:55 PM PST by TheDon
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To: TheDon

I am so old I remember having my vote for Prop 187 tossed.

How long till my vote gets tossed yet again?

If it gets tossed again then voting is a wasted effort here in California.

Mobs rules and violence must ensue.

18 posted on 11/07/2008 9:20:32 PM PST by NoLibZone (Odinga is NOT My president.)
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To: NoLibZone
Prop 187 wasn't necessarily tossed.

It was challenged by the libs in court and then Gov. Gray Davis had the case brought before mediation. He eventually dropped the appeals process before the courts, effectively killing the law.

Good riddance of him, bad riddance of a good law.

19 posted on 11/07/2008 9:40:08 PM PST by South40
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To: TheDon

Sex orgy at the beach after the protest...

20 posted on 11/07/2008 9:49:54 PM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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