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An Open Letter to Barack Obama:(Draft of WTP full-page ad to be published in USA TODAY
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Posted on 11/07/2008 8:16:05 PM PST by Smokeyblue

An Open Letter to Barack Obama: (Draft of WTP full-page ad to be published in USA TODAY the week of November 10, 2008)

Are you a Natural Born Citizen of the U.S.?

Are you legally qualified to hold the Office of President?

Dear Mr. Obama:

On October 24, 2008, a federal judge granted your request to dismiss a lawsuit by Citizen Philip Berg, who challenged your qualifications under the “Natural Born Citizen” clause of the U.S. Constitution to legally hold the office of President of the United States of America.

Mr. Berg presented factual evidence to the Court in support of his claim that you are either a citizen of your father’s native Kenya by birth, or that you became a citizen of Indonesia, relinquishing your prior citizenship when you moved there with your mother in 1967.

In your response to the lawsuit, you neither denied Mr. Berg’s claims nor submitted any evidence which would refute his assertions. Instead, you argued that the Court lacked the jurisdiction to determine the question of your legal eligibility because Mr. Berg lacked “standing.”

Astonishingly, the judge agreed, simply saying, “[Mr. Berg] would have us derail the democratic process by invalidating a candidate for whom millions of people voted and underwent excessive vetting during what was one of the most hotly contested presidential primary [sic] in living memory.”

Unfortunately, your response to the legal claim was clearly evasive and strikingly out of character, suggesting you may, in fact, lack a critical Constitutional qualification necessary to assume the Office of President: i.e., that you are not a “natural born” citizen of the United States or one who has relinquished his American citizenship.

Before you can exercise any of the powers of the United States, you must prove that you have fully satisfied each and every eligibility requirement that the Constitution mandates for any individual’s exercise of those powers.

Regardless of the tactics chosen in defending yourself against the Berg lawsuit, significant questions regarding your legal capacity to hold this nation’s highest office have been put forth publicly, and you have failed to directly refute them with documentary evidence that is routinely available to any bona fide, natural born U.S. Citizen.

As one who has ventured into the fray of public service of his own volition, seeking to possess the vast powers of the Office of President, it is not unreasonable to demand that you produce evidence of your citizenship to answer the questions and allay the concerns of the People. Indeed, as the one seeking the office, you are under a moral, legal, and fiduciary duty to proffer such evidence to establish your qualifications as explicitly mandated by Article II of the Constitution.

Should you proceed to assume the office of the President of the United States as anything but a bona fide natural born citizen of the United States that has not relinquished that citizenship, you would be inviting a national disaster, placing our Republic at great risk from untold consequences. For example:

· Neither the Electoral College on December 15, nor the House of Representatives on January 6 would be able to elect you, except as a poseur - a usurper;

· As a usurper, you would be unable to take the required “Oath or Affirmation” of office on January 20 without committing the crime of perjury or false swearing, for being ineligible for the Office of the President you cannot faithfully execute the Office of the President of the United States;

· Your every act in the usurped Office of the President would be a criminal offense as an act under color of law that would subject the People to the deprivation of their constitutional rights, and entitling you to no obedience whatsoever from the People;

· as a usurper acting in the guise of the President you could not function as the Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy and of the militia of the several states, as such forces would be under no legal obligation to remain obedient to you;

· No one in any civilian agency in the Executive Branch would be required to obey any of your proclamations, executive orders or directives, as such orders would be legally VOID;

· Your appointment of Ambassadors and Judges to the Supreme Court would be VOID ab initio (i.e., from the beginning), no matter what subsequent actions the Senate might take as well as rendering any such acts by such appointed officials void as well;

· Congress would not be able to pass any new laws because they would not be able to acquire the signature of a bona fide President, rendering all such legislation legally VOID;

· As a usurper, Congress would be unable to remove you from the Office of the President on Impeachment, inviting certain political chaos including a potential for armed conflicts within the General Government or among the States and the People to effect the removal of such a usurper.

As an attorney and sitting U.S. Senator, I’m sure you agree that our Constitution is the cornerstone of our system of governance. It is the very foundation of our system of Law and Order – indeed, it is the supreme law of the land. I’m sure you also agree that its precise language was no accident and cannot be ignored if Individual, unalienable, natural Rights, Freedoms and Liberties are to be protected and preserved.

As our next potential President, you have a high-order obligation to the Constitution (and to those who have fought and died for our Freedom) that extends far beyond that of securing a majority of the votes of the Electoral College. No matter your promises of change and prosperity, your heartfelt intent or the widespread support you have garnered in seeking the highest Office of the Land, the integrity of the Republic and Rule of Law cannot, -- must not -- be put at risk, by allowing a constitutionally unqualified person to sit, as a usurper, in the Office of the President.

No matter the level of practical difficulty, embarrassment or disruption of the nation’s business, we must -- above all -- honor and protect the Constitution and the divine, unalienable, Individual Rights it guarantees, including the Right to a President who is a natural born citizen of the United States of America that has not relinquished his American citizenship. Our nation has endured similar disruptions in the past, and will weather this crisis as well. Indeed, it is both yours and the People’s mutual respect for, and commitment to, the Constitution and Rule of Law that insures the perpetuation of Liberty.

As a long time defender of my state and federal Constitutions, and in consideration of the lack of sufficient evidence needed to establish your credentials as President, I am compelled to lodge this Petition for Redress of Grievances and public challenge to you.

Make no mistake: This issue IS a Constitutional crisis. Although it will not be easy for you, your family or our Republic, you have it within your ability to halt this escalating crisis by either producing the certified documents establishing beyond question your qualifications to hold the Office of President, or by immediately withdrawing yourself from the Electoral College process.

With due respect, I hereby request that you deliver the following documents to Mr. Berg and myself at the National Press Club in Washington, DC at noon on Monday, November 17, 2008:

(a) a certified copy of your “vault” (original long version) birth certificate; (b) certified copies of all reissued and sealed birth certificates in the names Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Obama, Barack Dunham and Barry Dunham; (c) a certified copy of your Certification of Citizenship; (d) a certified copy of your Oath of Allegiance taken upon age of maturity; (e) certified copies of your admission forms for Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard Law School; and (f) certified copies of any court orders or legal documents changing your name from Barry Soetoro.

In the alternative, in defense of the Constitution, and in honor of the Republic and that for which it stands, please announce before such time your withdrawal from the 2008 Presidential election process.

“In a government of laws, the existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.” Olmstead v. United States, 277 U.S. 438, 469-471.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation in this matter.

Sincerely,

Robert L. Schulz, Founder and Chairman, We The People Foundation for Constitutional Education, Inc.

CLICK HERE to make your secure donation to the WTP Foundation.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: berg; bergvobama; bho2008; birthcertificate; certifigate; colb; constitutionalcrisis; obama; philipberg
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This is my very first post. Please be kind if I've screwed it up in some way. I'm a conservative and I've been lurking here for several months now and this site has become my first stop of the day. I am not affiliated in any way with the site above just want to share some information.
1 posted on 11/07/2008 8:16:05 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

MSM will ignore it.


2 posted on 11/07/2008 8:18:53 PM PST by Ancient Drive (will)
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To: Smokeyblue

This Obama guy is like slinging snot against a teflon wall=== NOTHING STICKS TO HIM.


3 posted on 11/07/2008 8:19:11 PM PST by Uncle George
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To: Smokeyblue

Interesting.
Not many people will read a letter this long.
How does this man have any standing to make these demands?
Only a Court may be able to force Obama to comply.
So far that hasn’t worked out.


4 posted on 11/07/2008 8:19:34 PM PST by ConservativeGreek
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To: Smokeyblue

WELCOME, Smokey. Good post, thank you! Mary


5 posted on 11/07/2008 8:19:41 PM PST by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Smokeyblue

Come on! We have a socialist President elect and a Democrat rich legislature. It’s just like 1976 all over again! Wasn’t it fun the first time, let’s do it again!


6 posted on 11/07/2008 8:20:39 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Smokeyblue

Well, if this is your first stop, then you’re just like the rest of us.


7 posted on 11/07/2008 8:21:32 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: Smokeyblue
Welcome to Free Republic can you give me a little of your back ground have you lurked here long what other forums do you post to just curious what brought you here ?

Good post

8 posted on 11/07/2008 8:23:07 PM PST by al baby (Hi mom Honkeys for Mc Cain Palin)
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To: Smokeyblue

Will this actually be printed in the WaPo, full page?


9 posted on 11/07/2008 8:24:20 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: penelopesire; Miss Didi; rodguy911; pissant; LucyT; Perdogg; silent_jonny; retrokitten; All

Last updated: SUNDAY, Nov. 2 @ Noon

Total donated so far for the
full-page USA TODAY Obama ad is:

$ 5155

CLICK HERE to make your donation to the WTP Foundation.

Remember, donations to the 501(c)3 WTP Foundation
are fully tax deductible.

The estimated cost for the ad and associated WTP event in DC
is approximately $90,000. USA TODAY is read by several million readers each day.

http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/UPDATE/misc2008/Obama-USATODAY-Total.htm


10 posted on 11/07/2008 8:24:53 PM PST by STARWISE (They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: Smokeyblue

Awesome.


11 posted on 11/07/2008 8:24:56 PM PST by TheZMan (Admin Moderator, "No. We dumped it because it was stupid.")
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To: Uncle George

Wonderful! I saw this days ago & mentioned it’s something worthy of our support! They need funds & donations!


12 posted on 11/07/2008 8:25:10 PM PST by savvyguy
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To: ConservativeGreek

The ad is ASKING Obuma to produce the birth certificate. It is not claiming any authority.


13 posted on 11/07/2008 8:28:04 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: Marysecretary

Thanks. I was so nervous to post. LOL.

I’ve just been sick over the results of this election. I keep thinking it can’t be possible that this mansourian candidate has gotten this far.

I felt the same horrible feeling about Obama’s win as I did on 9-11. Like America has been raped. The MSM should rot in hell.


14 posted on 11/07/2008 8:28:51 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

Welcome! :-)

Great post and job.


15 posted on 11/07/2008 8:29:56 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: Smokeyblue

Welcome!

I guess my first response to this is — is this really a hill on which to die? I think it makes the few Conservatives who are participating look like a bunch of screwballs.

Oh I think the MSM will pick up the story — and use it to show to what depths the ignorant, stupid, racist hatemongering Conservatives would do to derail the Presidency of “The One.”

And the haughty Barack Obama has already demonstrated time and again that he does not answer to “We the People.” Nor will the Leftist Courts nor the Democrat Congress call him on this.

It’s a DEAD issue — unless these WTP folks decide that — by God, if he won’t answer, we won’t pay taxes, obey the laws, accept Federal Government regulations, etc...

Will they really go there? Come on — over the supposed issue of a birth certificate?


16 posted on 11/07/2008 8:30:43 PM PST by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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To: Smokeyblue

Welcome to FR. Good post.


17 posted on 11/07/2008 8:34:21 PM PST by roaddog727 (BS does not get bridges built - the funk you see is the funk you do)
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To: ConservativeGreek

Agree, the whole citizenship issue, even though legitimate, he has always ignored it. He pretty much can do whatever the f**k he wants and no one calls him on it. I would ask more direct questions, like, Mr. Obama, who the f**k are YOU to decide what’s fair and what’s not fair for the rest of us? You seem to have a messiahnic complex, more and more are noticing this. Are you insane? Or just narcisstic? Is your civilian national security force going to be comprised of black panthers, ACORNS, union thugs, just where are these people coming from? And what will be their purpose? As far as the fairness doctrine goes, what are you so afraid of? Can’t your ideas prevail in the “free market”-place of ideas? Do you think that Marxism will suceed, this time, even though it has failed everytime it’s been tested in history?

I could go on, and on.


18 posted on 11/07/2008 8:34:24 PM PST by 5280rwinger
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To: patriot preacher

“It’s a DEAD issue”

What’s dead, the US Constitution?


19 posted on 11/07/2008 8:34:31 PM PST by devere
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To: 5280rwinger

Rush has a new screen name. Hi Rush


20 posted on 11/07/2008 8:36:00 PM PST by al baby (Hi mom Honkeys for Mc Cain Palin)
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To: Travis McGee

I’m not sure. This is not my letter. I just came across the site above and this site about

http://www.democratic-disaster.com/index.php?topic=2.0

about contacting electors. I just want to facilitate the transfer of information about stopping Obama if at all possible.


21 posted on 11/07/2008 8:38:35 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

Welcome to the Free Republic.
Good post.


22 posted on 11/07/2008 8:42:48 PM PST by pgobrien (Corruptissima republica plurimae leges)
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To: Smokeyblue

Marked to keep an eye on it


23 posted on 11/07/2008 8:45:39 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Smokeyblue

Excellent formatting for your first post. Well done. I only wish the subject matter had legs.


24 posted on 11/07/2008 8:52:10 PM PST by secret garden (Dubiety reigns here)
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To: Smokeyblue

Welcome to FR. Good post!


25 posted on 11/07/2008 8:52:41 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I *LOVE* my Attitude Problem - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Smokeyblue
Please read this Oct. 27 article by Doug Edelman.

It's a good summary, & has the details of the suit in WA.

Excerpt:

Thanks to the lawsuit filed by Philip Berg, Obama now ADMITS (on his "Fight the Smears" website and factcheck.org) that he held dual citizenship with Kenya as a child. This, in and of itself, may arguably disqualify him under Article II as the whole point of the "Natural Born Citizen" requirement is the avoidance of divided allegiances. (Which makes his covert and quite possibly illegal activities [Logan Act?] on behalf of Kenya's thugocrat, Odinga, all the more relevant and disturbing.)

There is a further complication, however. His subsequent adoption by Lolo Soetoro and resultant INDONESIAN citizenship is a bigger fly in his ointment.

. . .

Indonesia, at the time Obama lived there and was deemed an Indonesian citizen, did not recognize dual citizenship, and neither did the US recognize dual citizenship with Indonesia. Thus, whether he held dual citizenship with the US and Kenya, whether he was born in the US or Kenya, or even - as some suggest - CANADA, is irrelevant as the ONLY legitimate citizenship he held once his adopted father moved him to Indonesia was Indonesian! His US Citizenship would be forfeit!

. . .

Whether and when Barry Soetoro/Barack Obama might have regained US Citizenship thereafter, it would be thru NATURALIZATION and that is SPECIFICALLY and EXPRESSLY ineligible to serve as President of the United States under Title II. (Could this be why he uses the politically risky name Barack Hussein Obama instead of the more innocuous "Barry Soetoro"? Perhaps Barry Soetoro is STILL an Indonesian citizen? Perhaps there are naturalization papers in the name of Barry Soetoro?

. . .

26 posted on 11/07/2008 8:57:37 PM PST by goldbux (When yer odd, the odds are with you.)
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To: Smokeyblue
Obama has not proven he is Constitutionally eligible and I do not believe he is. It won't matter. The Marxists don't give a crap about the US Constitution or the nation. They care about power.
27 posted on 11/07/2008 8:59:05 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Smokeyblue

He may be qualified in regards to being a citizen but his problem might be for using fraudulent documents instead of the originals for some unknown reason.


28 posted on 11/07/2008 8:59:14 PM PST by crager (I went to look for myself and if I happen to return while I'm gone tell me to wait.)
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To: Travis McGee

API I think.


29 posted on 11/07/2008 8:59:41 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: patriot preacher

What other hill is there left to die on? The Constitution is all we have. We have nothing without it.

I think it is an immensely important issue. We are all duty bound as citizens to ensure he is eligible. I don’t think this is in any way an issue that should be taken lightly.

WHY? Indonesian citizenship/passport to Pakistan and all the rest. Why won’t he release a vault certificate? If he has one FINE. If not than he should be arrested and prosecuted for fraud.


30 posted on 11/07/2008 9:06:57 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: al baby

I’m generally an internet new junkie. Late spring I was linked here from some place.

This site beats all the other sites around for fast, breaking news. You guys are really on top of things. Drudge has got nothing on you all.

Blogs I visit...just about all the conservative ones.


31 posted on 11/07/2008 9:06:57 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: patriot preacher

All the republicans in congress should sit on their hands until the big 0 shows his eligibility.


32 posted on 11/07/2008 9:08:19 PM PST by zeebee
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To: Smokeyblue

No smokey, you didnt screw up. It’s perfect.


33 posted on 11/07/2008 9:08:49 PM PST by mouse1 (I will fight for my America.)
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To: Smokeyblue

hi and welcome!

as for the article... pretty words

“If the government becomes a lawbreaker”

afraid there is no IF in the present day. This whole thing is just going to have to play itself out. I think if “the people” get a really good taste of what RAT power is really all about the next 4 — then we will see the balance of power shift back to the good guys staring with winning back Congress.

So let the Rats do their worst...plus having gained power they will start fighting amonst themselves as well.


34 posted on 11/07/2008 9:10:37 PM PST by Gasshog (going to get what all those libs asked for, but its not what they expected.)
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To: Smokeyblue

Welcome! I like you already! (Flattery will get you everywhere!)


35 posted on 11/07/2008 9:13:49 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: Ancient Drive

Has USAToday even agreed to run it?


36 posted on 11/07/2008 9:16:42 PM PST by PghBaldy (Palin is the winner of the election. Obama has to deal with the economy, and will destroy it.)
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To: goldbux

Thank you for stating my concerns so clearly.

I had given up trying to make the same points and the fact that he may have used the Indonesian citizenship to travel as an adult. That would seem to make it impossible for him to say he was a “child” and not responsible for the actions of his parents during the adoption. Citizenship reinstated? Not likely.

Can you imagine any court stopping his inauguration and releasing the resultant national turmoil? Neither can I. He knows that.


37 posted on 11/07/2008 9:22:10 PM PST by 3D-JOY
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To: Smokeyblue

You know, this isn’t going to matter unless and until it goes through a court and judge rules on it. You can run all the ads you want and the people who elected him aren’t going to care until they have to.


38 posted on 11/07/2008 9:23:01 PM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Gasshog

SCOTUS SOUTER TELLS OBAMA TO PRODUCE BIRTH CERTIFICATE DECEMBER 1

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/11/scotus-souter-t.html

Pamela Geller at Atlas Shrugs has a new post.

This is interesting. Souter tells Obama to produce the vault copy by December 1, 2008.


39 posted on 11/07/2008 9:23:14 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: Ancient Drive

Doesn’t matter if MSM ignores it. The courts will become clogged with those refusing to obey anything directed by Obama’s illegal government.
Their cases cannot proceed to conviction without Obama either coughing up the proof of his legality, or resigning, in which case these cases would be dismissed.


40 posted on 11/07/2008 9:25:38 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Smokeyblue

The Ayatollah Hussein IS NOT the President elect yet, and may never be. We will see what the Electors decide mid-December about supporting an illegal alien as President of the US. McCain may yet win.


41 posted on 11/07/2008 9:30:00 PM PST by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: Smokeyblue

I’m sure this has been posted before but this summary of how grave this issue is summed up very well in this article by By Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr., Ph.D., J.D.

It was posted on America’s Right. This was posted before the election but it is still valid.

OBAMA MUST STAND UP NOW OR STEP DOWN
http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin84.htm

Read the whole thing.


42 posted on 11/07/2008 9:33:06 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: goldbux

what prevents him from getting docs forged?


43 posted on 11/07/2008 9:34:46 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Ancient Drive

But it will bypass the MSM filter as readers will read it. They have a right to know how they have been conned by this SNAKE OIL SALESMAN!


44 posted on 11/07/2008 9:37:19 PM PST by savvyguy
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To: Smokeyblue

Great first post!

Dr. Vieira’s “OBAMA MUST STANDUP NOW OR STEP DOWN” is quite a read. For me, it put some order into all the chaos I’ve been feeling since the election.

Thanks for your post #1 and your post #42. I am fully convinced the American people and the American sheeple have been had.


45 posted on 11/07/2008 10:03:20 PM PST by Helen
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To: patriot preacher; livius; cookcounty; cripplecreek; SilvieWaldorfMD; TheCipher; indylindy; ...
is this really a hill on which to die?

Yes, yes it is. More accreditation is required to seek a low level office job than to become the POTUS.

The Constitution of the United States of America states:
Aritcle II, Section 1
No Person [1]except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;
neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office [2]who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years,
and been [3]fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

If one cannot not meet these 3 simple qualifications and/or they are ignored, where does that leave a "nation of laws" and the US Constitution?

If the Constitution is no longer valid, then we are no longer a country...a Constitutional Republic.
That being the case no laws or decrees by the government hold any authority.

Oh I think the MSM will pick up the story —

Frankly my dear, I don't give a rat's arse what the Enemedia does or does not do. They have already proven time and time again they are the enemy of the state.

...unless these WTP folks decide that — by God, if he won’t answer, we won’t pay taxes, obey the laws, accept Federal Government regulations, etc...

Works for me! No taxes need be paid, no seat belt or smoking laws need be adhered to, murder is a-ok -- which the K'toons and Uncle Teddy have already proven invalid, setting a precedent.

Will they really go there? Come on — over the supposed issue of a birth certificate?

Supposed issue??? No wonder the country is screwed!

46 posted on 11/07/2008 10:07:52 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I *LOVE* my Attitude Problem - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Just A Nobody

If this is accurate it looks as though he will be required to produce the birth certificate.

If The Supreme Court Decides...?

At this point, Supreme Court Justice David Souter’s Clerk informed Philip J. Berg, the lawyer who brought the case against Obama, that his petition for an injunction to stay the November 4th election was denied, but the Clerk also required the defendants to respond to the Writ of Certiorari (which requires the concurrence of four Justices) by December 1. At that time, Mr. Obama must present to the Court an authentic birth certificate, after which Mr. Berg will respond.

If Obama fails to do that, it is sure to inspire the skepticism of the Justices, who are unaccustomed to being defied. They will have to decide what to do about a president-elect who refuses to prove his natural-born citizenship.

“I can see a unanimous Court (en banc) decertifying the election if Obama refuses to produce his birth certificate,” says Raymond S. Kraft, an attorney and writer. “They cannot do otherwise without abandoning all credibility as guardians of the Constitution. Even the most liberal justices, however loathe they may to do this, still consider themselves guardians of the Constitution. The Court is very jealous of its power - even over presidents, even over presidents-elect.”

http://www.rightsidenews.com/200811072518/editorial/america-the-beautiful.html


47 posted on 11/07/2008 10:16:49 PM PST by mimmson
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To: patriot preacher

“Will they really go there? Come on — over the supposed issue of a birth certificate”?

It is NOT over the issuance of a BC. It is whether a key constitutional provision will be obeyed by an arrogant crypto-Marxist who BY HIS OWN WORDS exhibits contempt for that document and is probably intent on weakening or destroying it. Have you forgotten his lament in the PBS radio interview as to judges not exceeding the constitutional constraints placed upon them by the founders? Just think of the breathtaking hubris and conspiratorial machinations that he is willing to undertake to fraudulently usurp the presidency by concealing his birth record, that he has already demonstrated.

Do you really think that there is ANYTHING that he would not do to retain power if he is willing to ascend to it in such a fraudulent manner???? I believe that this nation has elected a smiley face liberal facist of the first rank, one that will do ANYTHING for power.


48 posted on 11/07/2008 10:21:55 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: patriot preacher

“Will they really go there? Come on — over the supposed issue of a birth certificate”?

It is NOT over the issuance of a BC. It is whether a key constitutional provision will be obeyed by an arrogant crypto-Marxist who BY HIS OWN WORDS exhibits contempt for that document and is probably intent on weakening or destroying it. Have you forgotten his lament in the PBS radio interview as to judges not exceeding the constitutional constraints placed upon them by the founders? Just think of the breathtaking hubris and conspiratorial machinations that he is willing to undertake to fraudulently usurp the presidency by concealing his birth record, that he has already demonstrated.

Do you really think that there is ANYTHING that he would not do to retain power if he is willing to ascend to it in such a fraudulent manner???? I believe that this nation has elected a smiley face liberal facist of the first rank, one that will do ANYTHING for power.


49 posted on 11/07/2008 10:22:27 PM PST by DMZFrank
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This is interesting. Souter tells Obama to produce the vault copy by December 1, 2008.

Unfortunately, he doesn't. He ordered the defendants to respond to the Writ of Certiorari by December 1. That is all. I don't know where she is getting her last line "At that time, Mr. Obama must present to the Court an authentic birth certificate, after which Mr. Berg will respond. from. They don't have to produce a BC. They just have to reply to the standing argument - that is what the case was dismissed on and if Berg made any arguments concerning judicial error ( I don't know if he did. He should have , considering the last paragraph of the ruling where the judge basically used a political argument instead of a legal one for part of the basis of his decision ) They will probably use the same argument they used in the lower court. Hopefully, this court won't buy it.

50 posted on 11/07/2008 10:30:34 PM PST by TheCipher
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