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Head Strong: Ignoring suburbs doomed the GOP To win Pa., it must appeal to moderates.
Philly.com ^ | November 9, 2008 | Michael Smerconish

Posted on 11/09/2008 3:37:09 AM PST by gusopol3

Head Strong: Ignoring suburbs doomed the GOP To win Pa., it must appeal to moderates. By Michael Smerconish - Inquirer

Inquirer Currents Columnist

If retail politicking alone determined the election outcome in Pennsylvania, McCain-Palin would have won in a landslide. Speaking on MSNBC election night, Gov. Rendell joked that the GOP ticket had spent so much time in the state that he was thinking of assessing them with a state income tax.

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This perspective from somebody who thinks he should be helping to shape the GOP. He's right about one thing, McCain threw a lot of money down a rat hole in PA.
1 posted on 11/09/2008 3:37:09 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3

Hm, wasn’t it the moderates who managed, ran, and planned the entire 08 presidential campaign, promising they could deliver the centrists and independents?

How’d that work out again?

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Before you try to appeal to indies and the moderates, first you MUST get the support of the base. Failure to do so is like building a house without a foundation - it doesn’t stay standing for long.


2 posted on 11/09/2008 3:41:17 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: gusopol3
McCain was doomed from the start you can not be all things to all people. That's why when true conservatives use conservatism to run on they win nearly every time. That's also why Sarah will win in 2012. She is a conservative,not a stinking RINO!
3 posted on 11/09/2008 3:41:55 AM PST by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: gusopol3
The Philadelphia suburbs have become infested with the same ultra-liberal human waste that doomed Philadelphia. The same has become true for most other cities.

However, I do agree that the GOP should not have bothered wasting a single penny campaigning anywhere in the northeast (Maryland on up) and instead focused more on Ohio and Florida instead.

4 posted on 11/09/2008 3:43:50 AM PST by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: gusopol3

That’s true but if his message wasn’t working in PA, it wasn’t working anywhere. It was an indication of a failed message.


5 posted on 11/09/2008 3:45:03 AM PST by beagleone (Sarah Palin for President in 2012. Lets start fundraising ASAP.)
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To: gusopol3

There are many who would love to move the GOP to the left. Deep down, these people actually liked what Bush and the GOP did over the last 8 years, they were just upset these people had an ‘R’ after their name.

Once the GOP returns to its conservative roots and proves it can lead by cutting the size of gov’t, it will be a majority party again.

After all, Obama had to run on tax cuts and fiscal responsibility in order to get elected....just like Clinton did.

Conservatism has won the argument. We just can’t seem to get it implemented due to softees in our party.


6 posted on 11/09/2008 3:45:38 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: gusopol3

Can we please ignore the tripe this turncaot has to peddle? Nobody is interested in his egotistical analysis of Republicans. The fact is, outside of Gov. Sarah Palin, there was no Conservative voice. McCain did not want Conservatives, and that’s exactly what he got.

This guy is no more qualified to comment on the Republican Party than a Mohammedan critiquing the Bible.


7 posted on 11/09/2008 3:46:28 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: Spktyr

Money and time spent in states where there were Republican Senate seats in jeopardy might have at least been of some benefit, rather than PA. A huuuuge miscalculation.


8 posted on 11/09/2008 3:47:08 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3

I do not plan to be taking any advice from an Obamatron like Smerconish.


9 posted on 11/09/2008 3:47:32 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.)
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To: gusopol3
In a way, McCain's thinking was right. If he wins PA, then he probably doesn't have to worry about the rest of the country, because it would mean that his message was resonating with the voters.

PA was a battleground state he had to win if he was going to win it. But he wasn't gonna win it anywhere.

I find it interesting that Oklahoma and Tennessee voted Redder than ever in the midst of the loss. I'm thinking that those voters, Dem. and Rep., REALLY loved Sarah Palin. It sure wasn't McCain which got them to vote against the current.
10 posted on 11/09/2008 3:50:24 AM PST by beagleone (Sarah Palin for President in 2012. Lets start fundraising ASAP.)
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To: NTHockey
This guy is no more qualified to comment on the Republican Party than a Mohammedan critiquing the Bible

I agree with you, his support of Obama has been greatly to the benefit of Bill Bennett who competes in the Philly market (not sure but I thought I heard a woman introduce herself as Smerconish's mom call in to Bennett). also note that he's still trying to sell tickets to his up-coming Book Club that usually sell out on the first day, it seems.

11 posted on 11/09/2008 3:51:48 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3

Smerconjob is neither a Republican, nor a moderate, nor an Obama man (even though he voted for The One).

Smerconjob is an opportunist with no principles whatsoever.

And, since he is a man without honor or principle, why should we take his “advice”?


12 posted on 11/09/2008 3:53:10 AM PST by Mobile Vulgus
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To: gusopol3

...and I think you have to have a message, M A V R I C K isn’t it. He was all over the same map as Mr Obama with somewhat less ability to energize anyone due to the age difference. It was obvious early on, that there wasn’t much there to recommend him as a Republican Candidate. He just happened to be a nominee of the party, the msm or whomever. There was no one to rally around until Sarah Barracuda.

What I would like to know, is if he was bitten in any way by the results of his own misguided legislation McCain/Feingold.


13 posted on 11/09/2008 3:54:57 AM PST by wita
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To: gusopol3

‘Moderate’ is just another word for self-hating Republican.
What the GOP needs to do is appeal to common sense conservatism again, tending to the business of governing while always remembering that the government that governs least governs best.

Republicans need to return to making courageous stands against the expansion of government, explaining to people why they don’t want government having more control over their lives and their decision, instead of going along with massive expansions just because they think opposing it would be “bad politics.”


14 posted on 11/09/2008 3:55:53 AM PST by counterpunch ( Mike Pence for House Minority Leader. Now!)
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To: gusopol3

Remember the RNC claiming that they could do that because they didn’t have enough money?

I wonder why that would be, considering that Republicans typically outraise Democrats by quite a bit.... Could it be that they failed to gain the support of the base by being “Democrat Lite”?


15 posted on 11/09/2008 3:56:27 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

in being superficial, maybe he embodies the suburban voter that he speaks of, that the GOP has lost over the last 20 years. These people don’t know how badly the Democrat/ Socialists can hurt them.


16 posted on 11/09/2008 3:58:10 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3

We need to run a canadidate that supports global warming wealth confiscation, camapaign finance reform and can reach across the aisle to moderate fascists and Marxists.

Maybe someone like McCain can run.


17 posted on 11/09/2008 3:58:41 AM PST by sergeantdave (We are now in the Age of the Idiot)
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To: beagleone
In a way, McCain's thinking was right. If he wins PA, then he probably doesn't have to worry about the rest of the country, because it would mean that his message was resonating with the voters.

It is because he failed to convince voters he would be a better President than Obama. He wasnt very charismatic, the campaign was incompetent, and he didnt act like a leader during the financial crisis. That is why it wasnt even close.
18 posted on 11/09/2008 3:58:57 AM PST by igoramus08 (Democrats caused Fannie and Freddie to collapse and this Economic Crisis and Recession)
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To: beagleone
It sure wasn't McCain which got them to vote against the current.

Me neither....

19 posted on 11/09/2008 4:01:04 AM PST by dirtbiker ("Ignorance" is curable. "Stupid" is terminal.)
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To: wita
is if he was bitten in any way by the results of his own misguided legislation McCain/Feingold.

my guess is that he was helped by it in the primaries, where none of the competitors had a lot of money (except Romney with his own) as I remember it. On the other hand, if there were any provisions in it that limited the Obama money machine, I don't know what they were.

20 posted on 11/09/2008 4:01:52 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: Spktyr

More “they don’t get it” analysis.

McCain had “late volunteers” because he was late to the conservative base.


21 posted on 11/09/2008 4:03:41 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: gusopol3

Hindsite is almost useless after the fact. IMHO thing most certainly could’ve been done better. As far as where, when, and how money got spent, I think it has far less impact when you take the MSM into consideration. To me this contest was about integrity vs lie, When enough people belive a liar because he goes completely unchallanged by the obviously tilted media, this is what you get.

Obama backed out on a campaign finance pledge, That was my first hint the pubs would have a very hard time.


22 posted on 11/09/2008 4:07:01 AM PST by ChetNavVet (Build It, and they won't come!)
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To: gusopol3

B-b-b-b-but, we NEED moderates to win elections. Look how well McCain did with them this year.


23 posted on 11/09/2008 4:11:31 AM PST by MuttTheHoople (Bombing Billy Ayers-the Timothy McVeigh of his generation)
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To: sergeantdave
supports global warming

I strongly believe this will be a silver lining, since McCain was going to embrace that collapsing hypothesis for the GOP. These suburban voters who were so impressed at politically correct depth by that fear-mongering will have the Democrats to scorn as the global warming joins cold fusion as pseudo-science.

24 posted on 11/09/2008 4:12:38 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: MuttTheHoople

well, you do need 50% + 1. By some definition, that’s gotta include “moderates.” the question is, do you alter you arguments to match their propagandized points of view, or do you convince them to move your way . Obviously, FReepers choose the latter course.


25 posted on 11/09/2008 4:15:47 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: ChetNavVet
Obama backed out on a campaign finance pledge,

I gree, that's all you really need to know about him, though the way thing went down, he'd have probably won anyway. The decitfulness is why I'm calling him "Cokehead President."

26 posted on 11/09/2008 4:18:44 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: rodguy911
McCain was doomed from the start you can not be all things to all people. That's why when true conservatives use conservatism to run on they win nearly every time. That's also why Sarah will win in 2012. She is a conservative,not a stinking RINO!

Absolutely 100% correct! I would much rather lose with a true conservative agenda and canidate, than the absolute rino loser which almost ensures a loss. If McCain had won, conservatives would still have lost.(except for Palin)

27 posted on 11/09/2008 4:20:07 AM PST by sirchtruth (Vote Conservative Repuplican!!)
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To: gusopol3

McCain 208, Obama 195 in our very rural township here in northern PA. I was a poll worker and I was shocked that that many people who are mostly Republican voted for him. I knew McCain was finished! Idiots! We did have a very large turnout with 61% of registered voters voting. To be honest, all day I thought it was busy because people were voting AGAINST Obama. I was wrong! It made me sick!


28 posted on 11/09/2008 4:21:01 AM PST by Cricket24 (VOTE McCain/Palin!! Save the USA!)
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To: Cricket24

wow, that is sad. Probably a lot of folks scared by the financial mess and thinking Democrats will be better able to handle it.


29 posted on 11/09/2008 4:24:44 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3

Only way is voter ID clean up the fraud.


30 posted on 11/09/2008 4:26:46 AM PST by boomop1
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To: gusopol3

Perhaps if Smerconish had endorsed McCain rather than Obama, he might have been worth listening to.

How can he give advice when he supported Obama?

Vichy Republican.


31 posted on 11/09/2008 4:31:55 AM PST by padre35 (Sarah Palin is the one we've been waiting for..Rom 10.10..)
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To: gusopol3

Smernikov thinks that if the GOP will just embrace abortion on demand, everything will be hunky-dory.

Wrong again Michael.

mrs


32 posted on 11/09/2008 4:32:12 AM PST by proudmilitarymrs (Obama wants to spread the wealth around. My wealth.)
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To: padre35

believe it or not, I heard Katie Couric giving advice to Republicans the other day. oh well , turn about is fair play, we’ve given her plenty of advice, like “go get another job.” Smerconish has lost a lot of listeners to Bill Bennett, the # of calls coming to his radio show from Philly area is very high.


33 posted on 11/09/2008 4:35:46 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: proudmilitarymrs

believe it or not also believes in legalizing prostitution. Shows a perverted stupidity with the absence of thought. Can you imagine a family struggling to keep a daughter on an academic track of any type having to debate the argument, “I can just become a sex worker?”


34 posted on 11/09/2008 4:38:58 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3
By some definition, that’s gotta include “moderates.” the question is, do you alter you arguments to match their propagandized points of view, or do you convince them to move your way . Obviously, FReepers choose the latter course.

As well as Ronald Reagan and pre-1995 Newt Gingrich.

35 posted on 11/09/2008 4:47:19 AM PST by MuttTheHoople (Bombing Billy Ayers-the Timothy McVeigh of his generation)
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To: boomop1

Coming from a state where Photo ID is required to vote, and saw two people turned away to go fetch the ID, I agree that something needs to be done in states that still have no requirement.

One method of simplifying the system could be to return to the male property owner requirement, but that might not sit well with some.


36 posted on 11/09/2008 4:52:12 AM PST by wita
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To: boomop1

Only way is voter ID to clean up the fraud.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
A ‘purple’ digit would also work but I can just picture marauding hordes of ‘others’ forcing opposing parties people’s digit in a bucket of ‘purple’ paint......


37 posted on 11/09/2008 5:08:05 AM PST by xrmusn
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To: counterpunch
“‘Moderate’ is just another word for self-hating Republican.
What the GOP needs to do is appeal to common sense conservatism again, tending to the business of governing while always remembering that the government that governs least governs best.”
Agreed.
However, in order to accomplish this goal, we have a huge uphill battle. We have for the last 16 years been the victims of the drive by media. First, in cheer-leading and then covering up for the Clintoons, and then for denigrating everything about Bush. We are going to be back against the cheer-leading cycle again. To get any message out at all is going to require bypassing the MSM. It's been a sad, sad truth that for the most part, neither political party has acted in the interests of the American people, it's always about the quest for, and the wielding of political power.
DemocRATs rule because they are united. No matter how dishonest, they always stick to their talking points. They start and end every sentence with “the failed policies of George Bush”. Republicans are losing everywhere because they don't stay on message, and when they were in control they bent over backwards to still let the opposition set the agenda. If they are going to behave like DemonRATs, we don't need them and the sooner we rid ourselves the better.
38 posted on 11/09/2008 5:11:56 AM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 5)
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To: beagleone
That’s true but if his message wasn’t working in PA, it wasn’t working anywhere. It was an indication of a failed message.

It is the result of brain dead liberals who fled Philly for the burbs after the democrats ruined it and still knee jerk vote democrat and when you point that out to them you get a blank stare

Brand loyalty though stupid is ingrained in most peoples psyche whether truck ownership or politics
39 posted on 11/09/2008 5:21:36 AM PST by uncbob
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To: gusopol3

Amazing when the Iraqi elections seem cleaner than ours.


40 posted on 11/09/2008 5:23:46 AM PST by ScottinVA (Gloucester County, VA -- Making a stand for America: 63% for McCain/Palin)
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To: Cricket24
I was shocked that that many people who are mostly Republican voted for him

That's a consequence of voters believing that the mess we are in was caused by the Republicans, as well as the failure of the elected Republicans to live up to their name. Why bother electing Republicans if they overspend and expand government when you can elect Democrats who are real pros at doing it? Why vote for McCain if his position on the bailout is the same as Obama's?

And finally, why vote for a guy who says he'll tax your health insurance, offset by some tax credit. Everybody knows that within ten years the tax credit will be gone, or phased out with income, but the tax on the value of your health insurance will remain -- and counting health insurance as income would push you up into a higher bracket and cost you money.

What kind of a Republican makes a vital part of his campaign platform raising taxes -- on your health insurance of all things?? Oh, I forgot, a "Maverick" like John McCain.

41 posted on 11/09/2008 5:26:15 AM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: gusopol3

The age old aregument of moving to the center is bogus. Sarah Palin is proving that argument wrong as we speak.


42 posted on 11/09/2008 5:30:49 AM PST by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: sirchtruth

For sure,he was and is a lousy candidate.


43 posted on 11/09/2008 5:31:32 AM PST by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger
Absolutely, we need to purge the rinos first and than adopt a Reganesque/conservative party platform, stick to it and not waiver.
44 posted on 11/09/2008 5:34:31 AM PST by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: gusopol3

Smerconish is a Democratic operative. He pushed for McCain to win the primary and when McCain won, he switched support to Obama. He was among those who derided Palin.


45 posted on 11/09/2008 5:37:14 AM PST by bvw
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To: freeandfreezing

the next Republican candidate will have to cut through the ever more complicating and tightening knot with something like the fair tax.


46 posted on 11/09/2008 5:38:06 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3
"Moderates" are the political equivalent of the French.
"Moderates" are the human equivalent of a Post Turtle.
"Moderates" are like a Deer caught in your headlights.
"Moderates" are all destined to be Road Kill.

"Moderate" is a dirty word.

47 posted on 11/09/2008 5:38:23 AM PST by Condor51 (Obama believes in Saul Alinsky. I believe in Sun Tzu.)
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To: gusopol3

No, the Reps should be pursuing white blue collar Dems.


48 posted on 11/09/2008 5:38:38 AM PST by kabar
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To: bvw

he’s also going to be one of the big losers of the election, as his audience listens to Bill Bennett.


49 posted on 11/09/2008 5:39:50 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Smash-mouth is pro-gay, pro-abortion, pro-murdering Terri, pro-sending Elian to Cuba, and pro-Obama.

If he is not registered Democrat he certainly is close enough in all practical effect.

50 posted on 11/09/2008 5:40:29 AM PST by bvw
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