Skip to comments.One of the big reasons Obama won is the latino vote
Posted on 11/09/2008 6:02:51 PM PST by mathwhizz
The demographics are frankly killing us.
Kerry won the latino vote 53%-44% four years ago. Obama won the latino vote 67%-31%.
Obama won the latino vote in Florida for the first time ever.
Obama vastly increased his share of the latino vote in Colorado, New Mexico, and Nevada. If McCain wasn't on the ticket, Arizona would have been very competitive as well.
And we probably got another decade before Texas becomes a purple state unless we reverse the trends here.
Bush won Texas by 23% with Kerry getting 50% of the latino vote. McCain won it by 11% with Obama getting 63% of the latino vote.
It's a problem. What's the solution?
First off, we’re moving back to Texas before long.
The solution is no amnesty and stick to a conservative message.
The freeloaders will always vote Dem. And we don’t win by pandering. Only by staying conservative and letting the smart voters - of any race - know where we stand.
With an amnesty, however, it’s all over.
Cut welfare, see that they share in the tax burden so they suffer the consequences of liberalism along with the rest of us.
Like that’s gonna happen.
And one of the reasons McCain lost was his failure to grasp how angry bona fide US citizens are with illegal immigration.
It was a hot topic, there for the taking but our candidate took the opposite viewpoint. It’s an issue that won’t go away, even my liberal friends are fed up with it.
Become a socialist and open the borders, they will come if you build that coalition of RINS, traitors and moonbats.
Well, it was the first time he ran in Florida...
I think he means it’s the first time a Democrat presidential candidate won the latino vote in Florida.
Sounds like socialism and banana republics are going to find a new expression in the USA.
I keep hearing people say things like “Hispanics have as much potential for conservatism as they do for liberalism”, but I have never seen anything to back that up.
Cubans I could see. I have known a few Cubans, and the ones I know absolutely could be conservatives (a few are) and they are older Cubans.
But other hispanics? The numbers indicate they prefer a socialistic welfare state. I think pandering the conservative message is a mistake no matter what, but pandering to hispanics is even worse, IMO.
Hispanics aren’t uniform. Those in Florida are Cubans and then the wealthy from Central and South America. Texas is home to some migrants from Mexico, but many of the Texas Hispanics have lived there since the Alamo. California’s Hispanics tend to be from the poorer parts of Mexico and other countries.
It’s been pointed out and I’m becoming a believer that there are large segments of the population that don’t know what a ‘conservative message’ is....more specifically, its more important then ever to educate why conservative principles are important.
The younger generation is programmed by democrats who run all the media outlets. This is true for many other slices of the population who are being conditioned to the ‘liberal principles’.
It’s not good enough to say, “if you’re for lower taxes, then you’re a conservative” The populace has been programmed to think they need higher taxes for more programs so this will not resonate with them.
First off, this proves that pandering to Latinos by offering amnesty is a loser. McCain and other Republican moderates have been telling us that we need to give amnesty to illegals to win over the Latino vote. McCain got lowest percentage since Bob Dole.
We win over Latinos by emphasizing traditional values and conservative economic values that emphasize entrepreneurship and hard work. Latinos are economic immigrants by and large, and they tend to be more socially conservative, so that seems to me like a good way to win them over.
FWIW, 1400 Latino babies die each day due to abortion.
Latinos should be conservatives. For the most part they are hardworking, believing Christians, oppose abortion and reject the morals of Hollywood. Also, They have babies and will pass these convictions on to at least the next two generations. We are way behind on this. Instead of appearing, or being made to appear xenophobic, we need to embrace legal Latino immigration and assimilation.
We respect the rule of law. Therefore, we rightly view illegal immigration as a threat. However, our opposition to illegal immigration has been spun to appear as if we are anti Latino. Turning this around will take us out of our comfort zone. Failure to do so will be our demise.
“And one of the reasons McCain lost was his failure to grasp how angry bona fide US citizens are with illegal immigration.”
Proof of your statement would be Tancredo’s primary success?
I’ve been warning about this for a while. Failure to do something about the immigration program is horribly hurting our long-term prospects.
Millions of these people have produced offspring now and that segment of the population has kids at a fantastic rate. Those kids are now in school. Just go to a local kindergarten around me. A very good percentage of those kids are latino. Those children of illegals are citizens. They will be eligible to vote in a few cycles. They won’t vote Republican either. And there is nothing we can do about them because they are citizens.
Failing to address this years ago will be costing us in elections going forward. It will make winning an election on a conservative platform extremely hard.
Let’s face it, the Republican Party is probably doomed for not addressing this issue seriously in ‘86. We are now wrongly considered anti-immigrant and hate mongers for believing in the rule of law.
“our opposition to illegal immigration has been spun to appear as if we are anti Latino.”
Sorry but I think it goes much further than that. Most legal Hispanics respect the laws that prevent illegals from entering.
The truth is that there are many conservatives that are truly anti-Latino. Here at FR, there are many that always equate Hispanics with illegals, or believe that Hispanics vote Democrat because they are looking for handouts. Honestly, it can be very offensive, and I completely understand why it is presumed that Hispanics are not welcome.
Opposition to illegal immigration is fine, but you are right about embracing legal immigration. Assuming that we (legal Hispanics) are all La Raza members that hope to reclaim the US for Mexico, or that we are “browning” America, or that we are not Real Americans, is the best way to ensure that Dems remain in power for a long, long time.
Proof of that statement is that the biggest supporter of amnesty in the entire US Senate(even more than Obama), John McCain, got clobbered by the Latino vote, even while not getting enough of the conservative vote.
Saying Tancredo didn’t do well in the primaries because of immigration, would be like saying Dennis Kucinich didn't win the Dims nomination because he wasn't left win enough. Minor candidates like Tancredo and Dennis Kucinich simply don't do well in primaries. Immigration's got nuthin' to do with it.
One of the reasons he won the vote - not everywhere, btw - is that the Dems have dedicated millions of dollars and lots of work to getting the Latino vote. We have done nothing except announce that all Hispanics are illegal aliens and we don’t like them. So who are they going to vote for? The GOP? I don’t think so.
We don’t win by pandering with liberal policies such as amnesty but we also don’t win by ignoring hispanics or insulting their culture. The conservative message transcends culture.
Many hispanics work very hard. They don’t want socialism. Conservatives need to reach out to this group. The left does reach out and paints the right as being anti immigration, when we’re anti illegal immigration. They paint conservatives as uncaring bigots. Many hispanics are family-oriented, church-going and pro-life. If they are the working poor, they see the freeloaders and don’t like it. They know that illegal immigration hurts them the most. An illegal can come in and do their job cheaper! I believe the GOP can win the hispanic vote. And we should try.
more hispanics voted for prop 8 than whites.
Dick Morris had once said a few years ago that once latino voters become a bigger voting bloc than African-Americans, that Republicans will never see the White House again.
We lost the Hispanic vote forever because of the LaRaza, ACORN sponsored Immigration riots/Demonstrations of the summer of 2006.
Democrats have them CONVINCED that unless they vote for them, they will ALL be deported.
I know a lot of Latinos, and most of them are exactly that. Hard working, religious, anti-abortion.
In California, most Latinos(and blacks), voted against making gay marriage legal.
“The truth is that there are many conservatives that are truly anti-Latino. Here at FR, there are many that always equate Hispanics with illegals, or believe that Hispanics vote Democrat because they are looking for handouts. Honestly, it can be very offensive, and I completely understand why it is presumed that Hispanics are not welcome.”
Bingo. John McAmnesty is one thing. ‘Juan’ McCain or ‘Jorge’ Bush as an insult is stupid stupid stupid.
I was very proud of Rush when he decided to have a monologue in Spanish to respond to the Obama ad against him.
Same for many Hispanics in California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Colorado. Those long time American Hispanics hate the recent wetbacks.
GOP should go after the Catholic Hispanic vote AND the Hispanic anti-illegal immigrant vote.
It’s too late! Illegal immigration was hardly an issue in the campaign, because Juan obviously could not attack it. It exists because politicians want votes, businesses want cheap labor, and Jorge Bush went all out to thwart any efforts to get the fence built or place more INS agents on the border. Even let Ramos & Campion languish in prison all this time. If he does not pardon them before he leaves office, then I for one will truly hate this man.
“Democrats have them CONVINCED that unless they vote for them, they will ALL be deported.”
This is a perfect example of how to drive away legal Hispanics. Those of us that are here legally are not worried about being deported. We have families and we worry about the same things that most other conservatives worry about.
Hispanics vote Democratic because they feel that Conservatives do not respect them, and do not welcome them into the party, even if they have conservative views. They will continue to do so, until something is done to change things. We need to think before posting such stupid comments.
“What’s the solution?”
This will be controversial. Whites need to redevelop some racial consciousness. America would not be the great country that it currently is if it were not majority white. If, tomorrow, whites became the same on average as hispanics (or worse, blacks) in terms of education, criminality, and family values, the U.S. would immediately become a Third world country. It’s not a coincidence that groups with higher rates of anti-social behavior also have lower IQs on average. According to current trends, America is gradually becoming a Third world country.
Having redeveloped racial consciousness, whites should do the simplest thing to keep America majority white — HAVE MORE CHILDREN. There should not be an amnesty for illegal immigrants, and legal immigration should be targeted towards the most skilled people around the world, who will disproportionately be white and Asian. The welfare state should be made less generous in order to discourage unskilled immigration. The only positive demographic trend I see is that conservative whites are having more children than liberal whites, and some research says political orientation is partly hereditary.
The reason racial consciousness among whites (but not among any other group) has become taboo, of course, is because it has played a role in such past evils as slavery and Jim Crow laws. Being proud of one’s race needs to coexist with a belief in being fair to people of all races who are currently in your country, even if you don’t want to invite more of them.
BTW I am of Indian origin. It’s obvious to me that my children will be better off in a country that is majority white rather than majority (black + hispanic). Policies designed to bring the underperforming minorities up to the level of whites (or more accurately, whites down to their level) such as
(1) affirmative action in college admissions
(2) getting rid of standardized tests
(3) taxing intact families with productive people to subsidize broken ones with unproductive people
(4) punishing savers and rewarding deadbeats
will also tend to punish Indian-Americans.
None of my policy recommendations have any chance of happening under Democratic control of Presidency and the Congress.
McCain would be President now is he took the side of 75% of the American people and came out against amnesty. It would have differentiated him from Obama.
He didn’t. 63 million voted for Bush in 2004. 57 million voted for McCain. That’s 6 million who didn’t show up because of McCain’s position on amnesty, ANWR drilling, judges, and campaign finance.
The RINOs got their man, and Americans got Obama.
Is there any large city in this country whose mayor has not declared sanctuary for illegals? Most immigrants are poor and hungry and work very hard, but the others come over too--the drug dealers, the gangs, the psychopaths; in sanctuary cities police are told to leave them alone! (more crime makes good stats for federal handouts). We shouldn't have to be even talking about the percentage of illegal votes, it shouldn't exist.
That’s odd. John McCain tried to give them amnest. They sure aren’t very loyal, are they?
Mexicans will vote for the party that GIVES them the most handouts. PERIOD.
The only thing that’s been pushing the illegals back where they came from is the economy. If we withdraw as much financial resources as possible from the system, we keep it weak and unattractive to them. Since the Obamunists are crying for “pie” we cut off the ingredients.
No we haven’t. I’m a young conservative Latino/Hispanic, whatever. Yes, racist organizations like La Raza have a step up from us, but we can and will catch up and beat them.
As I have said before in the forum, the way to a Latino conservative majority is through conservatism. The Latino vote favored Bush and Reagan, to some extent, because they “spoke” our language and treated us with respect. All McCain has done is pander to us and not offered any solutions, beyond sing kumba ya with Ted.
Part of the rebuilding of the conservative movement is reaching out to all conservatives, especially in the urban areas. This is where most of the Latino vote is, and when we start making real inroads there, we’ll see Cali come back home to conservatism. We’ll see the West become strongly conservative.
That one little case destroyed whatever trust he'd developed with them.
part of the reason for the “latino” vote is the fact many ARE IN HIGH RISK MORTGAGES!
it is the free stuff vote.
Wait until the McCain/Obama Amnesty bill, 30 million more liberal voters in the pipeline ...
In 30 years there will only be two socialist parties - the Democrats and the Partidad de la Raza. Republicans will have gone the way of the Whigs and most conservatives will have emigrated to other countries.
It will resemble Canada with some states outlawing English (California, New Mexico, Arizona, Massachusetts (Gaelic), Virginia, Maryland, Colorado, Iowa). Politics will be a fight over which party promises the most welfare and handouts.
The last chance to stop the Hispanic takeover passed when the Republicans selected McCain and denied America a debate over illegal immigration. Now Obama and the Dems will open the valve for a flood of illegals who will be instantly made citizens and voters.
The irony is that the Dems will be creating their own demise, because once the Hispanic population reaches 51%, they will have no need for the Democrats.
Rick Perry's doing everything within his power to destroy the Republican brand in Texas. He dropped from near 60% to 40% in one election cycle, and that's not demographics. That's policy.
“America would not be the great country that it currently is if it were not majority white. If, tomorrow, whites became the same on average as hispanics (or worse, blacks) in terms of education, criminality, and family values, the U.S. would immediately become a Third world country.”
America will be a white minority within the next 30-40 years. This will happen with or without your “racial awareness”. Personally, as a Hispanic, I find your comments disgusting and dead wrong. You obviously have your opinion, but I believe that people like you are what is driving minorities away from conservatism. Even as a conservative, I find it very difficult to stay on the same website as people who think like you.
Thats odd. John McCain tried to give them amnest. They sure arent very loyal, are they?
Mexicans will vote for the party that GIVES them the most handouts. PERIOD.
Sadly, I think what you say is true. I am a Spanish teacher, and even the Berkeley graduates making well over 100,000 a year think the governemnt should be provinding them with more free services. it kills me. they want their cake and eat it too.
No, but maybe defeat of “comprehensive immigration reform” in spite of support from McCain, Democrats, and Bush.