Fight To Reveal Obama's Birth Certificate Continues

Evening Bulletin ^ | 11/9/08 | John Connelly

[pissant]

Two of the plaintiffs in court cases against Sen. Barack Obama, the president-elect, are working to move their cases forward before his presidential inauguration.

Philip J. Berg, the attorney who filed suit against Mr. Obama challenging him to produce his original birth certificate to prove he meets the constitutional requirements to serve as U.S. president. Mr. Berg filed a Writ of Certiorari in the U.S. Supreme Court late in October, in an effort to force Mr. Obama to produce the document.

Accordingly, the U.S. Supreme Court has said that Mr. Obama, the DNC and all co-defendants are to respond to the writ, on or before Dec. 1.

The judge in Mr. Berg's original case ruled that Mr. Berg does not have standing to enforce the constitutional requirements on a presidential candidate. Mr. Berg appealed the ruling to the Supreme Court.

[LomanBill]

>>FOUGHT the release of his vault certificate. WHY?

My guess is that his Father’s race is listed as “ARAB”.

[Non-Sequitur]

Wouldn’t we have to get President McCain/Vice President Palin since they would be the highest vote getters of legal contestants on the November 5th ballot?

They were still the losers. They didn't get a majority of the votes in the Electoral College and the Constitution requires that.

[Dajjal]

I thought that there was another lawsuit, filed by a set of electors and Alan Keyes. I would think that electors and a candidate would most definitely have standing.

I suspect you are thinking of this press release about two different cases: one filed last Thursday by obscure third party vice presidential candidate Wiley Drake, and the other filed the Monday before the election by 24 "potential" electors (I have no idea whether any of them are actual electors).

[ridesthemiles]

Unfortunately this probably won’t have any effect.
...The Sheeple have spoken.”

The Sheeple didn’t realize that they were electing an illegal alien.

[hoosiermama]

Davis already has.

[Unlikely Hero]

He won’t be, even in the unlikely event that the birth certificate theories are dead-on. Obama will be sworn in on January 20th—that fact needs to be accepted—and countered. This issue is an El Dorado redux.

[TheThinker]

In this case you might need a top general to enforce the will of SCOTUS. Of course, the order might have to come from Bush...

[ridesthemiles]

..............or declare BO to be a US citizen by virtue of birth...........”

The issue isn’t “citizenship”.

The issue is whether NObama is NATURAL BORN.

[Unlikely Hero]

Disagree wholeheartedly. I cannot even imagine the destruction of the legitimacy of the American government if that were to happen.

Yes, I am even aware that if it does take place as described above, it would be done in an effort to preserve legitmacy. But, that’s not how it would be received. It would be seen as a coup attempt.

[Kevmo]

President Andrew Jackson, having the executive responsibility for enforcement of the laws had this to say:
“John Marshall has made his decision; let him enforce it now if he can.”
***I think if the Supreme Court rules against Obama on this issue, we’ll see something along those lines. Great Quote.

[ridesthemiles]

Federal Civil Service require a US birth Certificate be presented before an employee and be put on the payroll.
maybe he won’t get paid.”

George Soros has been paying him for years, IMO.

[Non-Sequitur]

1) Isn’t the Indonesian citizenship a big piece of the issue here? Even if BO can convince that he WAS born in the USA, it sounds like he forfeited citizenship when momma took him to Indonesia.

No. If Obama is a natural born citizen then that's a birth right that can't be forfit. Only Obama can give up his U.S. citizenship, and he could do that only after reaching adulthood. His mother can't give it up for him.

2) Can the SCOTUS demand his other supporting documents, like passport, transcripts, and college enrollment docs? (Because neither Kenya nor Indonesia is going to cooperate with any investigation, and maybe right now creating more fraudulent docs to bolster their boy.)

Yes. But if Berg's case was so weak that it was literally laughed out of the lower court then why should the Supreme Court demand them?

[hoosiermama]

What is not being discussed is that the majority of the suit is against the DNC and it’s parties. Berg certainly has standing there. The BC issue is just a part of the larger accusation.

[pissant]

At a minimum if he forged his COLB he will be impeached. If he is not eligible, he will not be sworn in.

[ridesthemiles]

We need to see his passport.”

A Passport doesn’t prove a thing.

You can get a passport by stating “under oath” that you don’t have the original paperwork.

I want to see his VALID birth certificate.

Officials in Hawaii need to be brought to the fore to explain their actions, also, IMO.

[Genoa]

There are 365 all pledged to Obama. Who do you think they're going to vote for?

It's hard to imagine why an elector would cast a vote for BO if they knew the vote would not apply to him but to Biden. Unless they wanted Biden. Maybe they could vote for Michelle.

[ridesthemiles]

Alan Keyes VP candidate, Wiley filed suit.
I don’t know the current status of that lawsuit.

[Rapunzel]

Electoral College is not certified till around Dec. 15th. Time is still on the side of goodness.

How did Obama travel to Pakistan in the 80s when Americans were allowed to travel there? He used a passport from Kenya?

[Smokeyblue]

Before a swearing-in process takes place:

If Mickey Mouse won the most votes in Ohio. The Ohio electors would be pledged to him. Mickey Mouse is however ineligible.

If McCain is the next highest eligible voter getter. Wouldn’t he be declared the winner of Ohio and thus the electors be pledged to him instead?

Actually, could it be McCain (President) and Biden (Vice President)who won the most votes for their respective offices if Hussein is ineligible?

[hoosiermama]

It was a democratic Judge and he ignored the part against the DNC. See Calpernia’s post Here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2128383/posts?page=606

[Citizen Blade]

How did Obama travel to Pakistan in the 80s when Americans were allowed to travel there? He used a passport from Kenya?

I've seen the claim that Pakistan was not allowing Americans to travel there in the '80's, but have not seen any actual evidence. Do you have any?

[Smokeyblue]

I agree.

I want to see his Vault Birth Certificate.

Reasons...not natural born or not, different name or info than presented on the publicly claimed COLB (fraud/felony).

I want to see his passport(s). How did he travel to Pakistan? Under Indonesian citizenship?

Who is this guy?

[Non-Sequitur]

It was a democratic Judge and he ignored the part against the DNC. See Calpernia’s post...

Actually I read the judges descision, which made more sense than just about anything Calpurnia has posted.

[swarthyguy]

It’s BS, one of those fake charges that has contributed to the undermining of the case against Obie.

Too many cries of “wolf” took place and eventually, nothing, but nothing could stick.

For the record, Americans could easily travel to Pakistan in the 70’s and 80’s; there were no restriction apart from the usual be careful, especially after the US Embassy was sacked and a Marine and a diplo killed by a mob.

[ridesthemiles]

We cannot simply abandon our country. If ONE state would pass legislation (preferably either a large state or one that is early in the primary process) requiring eligibility before they can go on the ballot, it would eliminate this particular problem.”

IIRC, the party- in this case the DNC- is responsible for vetting the candidates.

I think that Howard Dean and a couple of other top DNC officials knew all along that NObama was/is a fraud/hoax.
They wanted power so badly they went along with this mess.
I want the issue cleared up= I think NObama was born in Kenya- and I want the DNC indicted for their behavior.
The DNC has done NOTHING to protect the American voters.

[Dick Bachert]

Roger that.

I’ll pass the word on to the several state legislators I personally know here.

[ridesthemiles]

Even if it doesn’t work this can be the real start of the opposition to Obama. Plus, who is going to fight for the Constitution? Without belief in the Constitution we’re nothing.”

Many here of FR are searching for a “new” party.

How about the Constitution Party- main subdivision= Free Republic.

[ridesthemiles]

Form on the left was created 11/01, per other versions I have seen posted here in more detail.

Funny how it could be NObama’s ORIGINAL BC, when he was born 08/1961

[AndyJackson]

I think if the Supreme Court rules against Obama on this issue, we’ll see something along those lines

No. If the SC rules that he is not lawfully President, then no person need obey any directive from him or signed by him. All of his laws and acts become unconstitutional, and no Court may take any action to enforce anything.

There will be no crisis. Biden immediately becomes President - which is a different problem.

[ridesthemiles]

Can the SCOTUS demand his other supporting documents, like passport, transcripts, and college enrollment docs? (Because neither Kenya nor Indonesia is going to cooperate with any investigation, and maybe right now creating more fraudulent docs to bolster their boy.)”

I am also of the mind that the reason we have never seen his Occidental/Columbia/Harvard papers is because he was shown as a “Foreign” student, and he got FOREIGN AID to help him with the tuition. His personal circumstances sure didn’t lead to his having the funds on his own. I think he is shown as INDONESIAN.

[ridesthemiles]

And when you consider that his Kenyan grandmother claims to recall his birth in Kenya, it’s awfully hard to take his assurances at face value.
But oh so easy to take her’s?”

What dog does she have in this fight?

She is only hurting him by telling the truth. She is saving the USA by telling the truth.

[ridesthemiles]

Yes. But if Berg’s case was so weak that it was literally laughed out of the lower court then why should the Supreme Court demand them?”

I don’t believe for one minute that Berg was laughed out of the District Court.

I think a Democrap appointed Federal Judge didn’t want to rule on the hot potatie and passed it on. I think he knew Berg would not give up easily.

[Tammy8]

Maybe that’s why he picked Biden to begin with- talk about job security.

[DrC]

“The DNC paid the bills.

But doesn’t that make it even more puzzling? Why would DNC want to squander good money on a pointless legal fight, especially now that the election is over?

The original COLBs posted had problems, but the folded one released subsequently did not, AFAIK. Thus, the contents of that COLB presumably are correct, so the explanation for all his obfuscation does not lie in his not having been born in Hawaii or any component of that COLB that may have been embarrassing.

I think the problem relates to being adopted in Indonesia. If that happened and no one notified authorities, then original COLB never would have been altered. But I believe that any alteration in a child’s circumstances (such as being adopted by a new parent in Hawaii and taking their name, for example) has to be reflected on the newly issued certificate. See http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/amendment.html Thus, if BHO became Barry Soetoro, was adopted in Indonesia, thereby becoming an Indonesian citizen, if he had LEGALLY, prior to age 21, returned to Hawaii to restore his citizenship, I would think that his BC/COLB would then have to reflect this sequence of events, i.e., born in Hawaii as BHO, subsequently adopted, renamed, lost citizenship, returned, regained citizenship, renamed etc.

[petercooper]

Maybe Joe Biden is Obama’s real Papa.

[ridesthemiles]

For the record, Americans could easily travel to Pakistan in the 70’s and 80’s; there were no restriction apart from the usual be careful, especially after the US Embassy was sacked and a Marine and a diplo killed by a mob”

I disagree.

Based on the MANY posts I have read over the past 4 months, Pakistan was a NO TRAVEL zone in 1980 for Americans. Especially on an American passport. He went there on an INDONESIAN passport according to what info I have been able to glean.

[ridesthemiles]

The INDONESIAN passport would tie in further with the idea that NObama was attending school at Occidental/Columbia/Harvard as a FOREIGN AID student.

[Citizen Blade]

Based on the MANY posts I have read over the past 4 months, Pakistan was a NO TRAVEL zone in 1980 for Americans. Especially on an American passport. He went there on an INDONESIAN passport according to what info I have been able to glean.

All of the posts I have seen are completely unattributed- it's just posters saying that Americans couldn't travel to Pakistan, but providing no evidence for that claim.

[yield 2 the right]

To all: Obama is legally an American and threrfore allowed to run/win the POTUS
.....if he was not it would have been proven by Nov.3rd....

[Smokeyblue]

Well, maybe.

The Cannonfire Blog was speculating on a Biden Scandal last month.

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2008_10_01_archive.html

SCROLL DOWN TO:

Monday, October 20, 2008
Biden scandal

[elpadre]

“....Because that is what will happen if Obama is found ineligible.”

You fight each battle as it is presented - first things first.

[Scarchin]

Even if Barry isn’t a citizen, I’ll bet nothing is done - or W intervenes to give him a pass.

Game Over

[Non-Sequitur]

But doesn’t that make it even more puzzling? Why would DNC want to squander good money on a pointless legal fight, especially now that the election is over?

Not at all. They've got millions to spend.

From the DNC standpoint this is a frivolous lawsuit. As far as they're concerned Obama produced proof he was born here, Hawaii has said he was born here, so they believe the matter is closed and any legal challenges are solely to embarrass the candidate and force him to do something no other presidential candidate has had to do. So of course they're going to fight it tooth and nail.

I think the problem relates to being adopted in Indonesia. If that happened and no one notified authorities, then original COLB never would have been altered.

Even if it did happen, the ruling of an Indonesian court in an adoption case would not result in the sealing of a U.S. birth certificate.

Thus, if BHO became Barry Soetoro, was adopted in Indonesia, thereby becoming an Indonesian citizen, if he had LEGALLY, prior to age 21, returned to Hawaii to restore his citizenship, I would think that his BC/COLB would then have to reflect this sequence of events, i.e., born in Hawaii as BHO, subsequently adopted, renamed, lost citizenship, returned, regained citizenship, renamed etc.

Except that Obama didn't have to restore his citizenship. Citizenship is a birthright and cannot be taken away from you. Obama's mother cannot give up his citizenship on his behalf, nobody can. Obama could not accidentally forfeit his citizenship. When Obama reached his maturity, he would have had to take deliberate actions to give up his citizenship not restore it, since it had never been lost in the first place.

[Smokeyblue]

IF.....he traveled on an Indonesian passport....that would be deliberate action.

[PhilDragoo]

Nothing has been presented which has been termed Barack Hussein Obama II's birth certificate.

Certificate of Live Birth is not a birth certificate, which is what Berg petitions the court to demand of the defendant.

Defendant has refused--with good reason: defendant is not a natural born Citizen.

Citizenship which originated in Kenya was modified through adoption by an Indonesian national.

Travelling to Pakistan in 1981 demonstrated ipso facto non-U.S. citizenship.

QED Hussein gets sent back to Chicago with some lovely parting gifts including an autographed picture of President Bush to hang on his fridge.

[Non-Sequitur]

Yes. But if Berg’s case was so weak that it was literally laughed out of the lower court then why should the Supreme Court demand them?”

The Supreme Court hasn't demanded anything. Berg has filed his case with the court. The Supreme Court has given Obama's team until December 1st to deliver their response. I've not doubt that their response will be similar to their response in the lower court. And why not? It worked the first time.

I don’t believe for one minute that Berg was laughed out of the District Court.

Then you should read the judges decision. According to several lawyers I know, the judge came as close to open ridicule of Berg and his case as anything they've ever seen.

I think a Democrap appointed Federal Judge didn’t want to rule on the hot potatie and passed it on. I think he knew Berg would not give up easily.

Of course you would. The idea that Berg is an idiot never crossed your mind. You really ought to look into some of Berg's other cases.

[Non-Sequitur]

What dog does she have in this fight?

And has anyone actually heard this alleged tape of this woman claiming to be there? I'd be very interest in seeing or hearing exactly what she had to say. Berg claims to have the tape. Corsi claims to have the evidence. And neither has produced anything.

[Non-Sequitur]

IF.....he traveled on an Indonesian passport....that would be deliberate action.

If. If frogs ate mud and if frogs had wings and if frogs had a body temperature of 300 degrees then they could fly and poop bricks at the same time.

The U.S. recognizes dual citizenship. If Obama traveled on an Indonesian passport - and I've seen absolutely nothing supporting the claim - then it would still not qualify as an expatriating acts as defined by the government.

[Citizen Blade]

IF.....he traveled on an Indonesian passport....that would be deliberate action.

Having multiple passports is legal. I have three, for example. Having a passport from another country does not harm your US citizenship status.