Exactly.
These are landslides
These are not
Posted on 11/10/2008 12:33:31 PM PST by BlueStateBlues
If Barr's votes had gone to Palin and her running mate they would have won North Carolina and Indiana. North Carolina: Obama 49.9%, Palin 49.5%, Barr 0.6$ Indiana Obama 49.9%, Palin 49%, Barr 1.1% This would have been more important in a closer election, but it caught my interest when I looked the figures up.
Barr took votes but so didn’t Nader.
Losertarians are worse than useless.
To the best of my knowledge, Indiana hasn’t been decided yet and is in our favor.
Any theories about an Obama landslide are extremely delusional.
There were a 1/2 dozen states that were very close and about 1/2 dozen more that were within 10%, more than enough to get an electoral majority if we dont run another McCain.
Libertarians are deceiving...
Sure, but in the above two states, Barr plus McCain would be above 50%.
I suspect that in the states where Nader kept Obama under 50%, Obama won anyway...
Yes, but don’t you know that at the end of the day liberdopians feel so good about themselves. Hope they love the H*ll out of what they are going to get from Hussein Obama.
Juan was a drag on the ticket.
The libertarians didn’t run a libertarian for President.
How about Republicans quite whining about third parties being spoilers and give the third party voters some incentive to vote for them (e.g. not doubling the size of government in eight years)?
We have to do something about these damned Libertarians.
They’ve cost us Senate seats from coast to coast for over a decade and are creating more havoc as we speak.
We need an army of money to underwrite leftists to primary congressional Dems. And more money for Green Party candidates in the general.
Just noticed I misspelled Carolina in the title. My mind must be on Carolyn Kennedy, the once and future Princess of the enlightened and unwashed.
well said — these idiots make the perfect the enemy of the good.
Indiana is gone. Obama.
excuses are for losers. the GOP ran a crappy candidate and crappy campaign, that is why they lost...not Bob Barr for pity’s sake!
Well said!
Who cares? If Barr stopped McCain from winning Virgina, Ohio, Colorado, Pennsylvania and Nevada, it would have made a difference.
Nader wasn’t on the ballot in NC
excuses are for losers. the GOP ran a crappy candidate and crappy campaign, that is why they lost...not Bob Barr for pity’s sake!
I am a libertarian ideologically. I did not vote for Barr because he seemed like a fraud to me. I do think the Bush administration’s big-government spending and Bush’s push for that immigration bill travesty and the bailout was the final straw for a lot of true conservative/libertarians. Many stayed home and some voted for Barr.
I voted for McCain simply because I thought he had a shot at stopping Obama. I do hope the emerging Republican leadership learns the lesson of 2006/2008 and makes a clear case next time around for libertarians to believe again in the GOP. The Republican coalition of 1994 totally fell apart. That’s why Obama won.
Waiting on Indy & peoples republik of Bloomington. don’t get yer hopes up.
If we had a conservative nominee it wouldn’t have mattered anyway. I don’t blame others for McCain failures.
LLS
Nader wasn’t on the ballot here in NC; all we had were Obama, McCain, and Barr. No Nader, no Baldwin. It is extremely hard for a third-party candidate to get on the ballot in North Carolina.
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The people wanted Bush out so they voted for 0bama who was furthest from him. I really think McCain would have been 4 more years of the same.
Nitpicking English, but it makes a big differentce in what you are trying to say.
I abhor their acts of political stupidity, pettiness and immature and myopic belligerence.
I was here when, during the 2000 pre- and post-election, we were rehashing the debacle of conservatives voting for Ross Perot.
I was here hashing it out with the Party of One crowd again this time around, speaking sense to their senseless blather about “principles,” which “principles” have now help deliver our country to a Marxist and one of the most pro-death presidents ever.
Some of the same people were claiming they had no personal responsibility whatsoever for the impact of their vote on the outcome of the election, and, therefore, on the nation. It was always someone else’s fault-—”the RNC/GOP/MSM/cross-over voting/primary timing didn’t give me a candidate I like, so it’s not my fault if my failure to vote for him helps elect the other guy.”
Idiots.
Worse than idiots. Dangerous and destructive. No better than Euroweenies pursuing some type of coalition government, rather than understanding the American system is, in fact, a winner-takes-all system.
Bush won Indiana in 2004 by 20 points and McCain lost Indiana by less than a point in 2008.
Indiana swung 20 points to the Democrats in just four years.
That was not Bob Barr’s fault.
I admit that I don’t know who McCain would’ve nominated for the Supreme Court and other judicial positions, but I do know that such votes gave Obama free reign (deliberate misspelling) to put liberal activists in charge of the entire structure of our judicial system for generations to come. Perhaps the third party voters will figure this out when the right to bear arms is abolished, as well as all of the other rights that depended on the Second Amendment for support.
The point is that anyone who wasted their vote on anything but voting for the only candidate who had a viable chance of defeating Obama is a selfish and immature nitwit.
Votes belong to nobody but the individual. They must be EARNED. If the Republicans wanted these votes they should not have had McCain as their candidate. A would-be leader has to take full responsibility for not winning. I believe if McCain had stood up against the bail-out he might have won, or done better. He looked bad when he made ear marks his issue and then went along with the bail out which was loaded with them. Even if he voted for the first version, he could have stood up against the second one on grounds of the ear marks - could have had his cake and eaten it too.
If we are to believe the polls, Survey USA had McCain up by 20 points in NC before the market meltdown.
After that, it was all down hill, plain and simple.
(it still makes me sick)
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As I said, I’m not criticizing Barr or anyone (at least on this thread). I found this information interesting and hadn’t seen it before, and just passing along some election results that were new to me.
LLS
Point understood. However, third parties were not a factor this time around, except for perhaps the Senate race in Minnesota.
You’re assuming all Barr votes would go to McCain. I don’t think you can make that assuption.
Some number would likely go to McCain; some would likely go to Obama. A larger number would probably undervote or stay home.
All in all, it’s not much more than a wash.
If someone with the personality of Bob Barr has taken votes from you, you really should have never run.
Yep. That was the payoff they explained to me over and over again. At least, they would say, “they were going to feel about their vote.”
Idiots.
A vote is not about feeling good. It’s about doing what’s best for the country, given the viable alternatives, no matter how “bad” it may feel personally.
But even if it were about “feeling good”: I feel good about voting for the only candidate who could have defeated the Marxist. I did the right thing and I’m proud of it. I didn’t shrink from the fight because I somehow couldn’t bring myself to lift a finger to DEFEAT OBAMA.
And they have the gall to show their face around here and complain about how bad Obama is?
If you didn’t vote against Obama, by voting for McCain, then STHU.
If I’m not making myself clear here, freepmail me and I’ll explain in greater detail what I really think of people who waste their vote and, thus, turn the country over to, say, Bill Clinton and then the Marxist.
I agree... except you are being far too kind.
LLS
Again, the problem is that McCain could not hold a State that has voted Republican since 1964,
IN also reelected its GOP governor, Mitch Daniels, in a landslide. Daniels was the Budget Director for GWB during his first term.
I was thinking VA
There is no excuse for voting for a Marxist. Enough was known about Obama, or available for knowing, that he should have been defeated by ANY Republican.
The American voters are without excuse. They wanted Obama regardless of what he stood for, and regardless of what McCain stood for. They wanted him and they got him.
Anyone who helped Obama get elected by not voting for McCain gets zero respect from me. The choice was not hard. At all.
“I really think McCain would have been 4 more years of the same.”
The same what? Security from terror attacks? If so, then four more years of the same would have been fine for me.
LLS
I would think that they would be unhappy at the obama victory. If we ran the election again, would they still vote Barr? Probably many of them. Sadly, to many of them, their selfish principal is more important than the whole outcome of the election.
Exactly.
These are landslides
These are not
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