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Obama Will Overreach
News Max Email | 11/10/2008 | Ronald Kessler

Posted on 11/11/2008 3:49:37 AM PST by IbJensen

As polls just before the election showed Barack Obama winning, Dave Keene, president of the American Conservative Union, paid a visit to columnist Robert Novak at his home. His longtime friend was chuckling, and Keene asked him why.

“Well, my Democratic friends think they’ve died and gone to heaven,” Novak said. “If they’d been around as long as I have, they’d realize that it isn’t heaven, and they don’t have a permanent invitation to stay anyway.”

In fact, Keene tells Newsmax, Obama did not win for the reasons he thinks he did, and he can be counted on to overreach, helping to return Republicans to power.

When it comes to astute political observers, Keene has few peers. A bulwark of the conservative movement, Keene has headed the American Conservative Union since 1984. With one million members, the ACU is the country’s oldest and largest conservative grassroots lobbying group. It runs the Conservative Political Action Committee’s (CPAC) annual conference in Washington and publishes an annual Rating of Congress, the gold standard for ideological assessments of members of Congress.

Keene notes that whenever Republicans lose, the press runs stories proclaiming the death of the party.

“This is only the third time in a half century that a Democratic presidential candidate has gotten 50 percent of the vote,” Keene says. “The last two times were 1964 and 1976. And following those Democratic victories, there was in each case more than a spate of stories and analyses saying the Republican party was a thing of the past and that conservatism was dead.”

Each time, Keene says, Republicans have picked themselves up and won major victories. This time, it will be more difficult because Democrats will try to rejigger the playing field. They are intent on passing so-called card check legislation, doing away with the secret ballot when employees decide whether to be represented by a union. If that legislation passes, unions will have a resurgence, and Democrats will garner more contributions.

The Democrats also want to restore the Fairness Doctrine, which would require broadcasters to give equal time to both conservatives and liberals. To date, few if any liberal talk shows have been commercially successful.

“A fairness doctrine will help shut up their opponents and cut off conservative communication,” Keene says. “I think they’ve concluded they can’t necessarily win a debate on issues. What they have to do is shut up the enemy because their arguments too often prevail.”

Democrats may also come up with an amnesty measure for illegal aliens.

“That will bring them in and make them citizens to enlarge the Democrats’ electoral pool and voter pool,” Keene says. “I would not be surprised if there was a very early move to make the District of Columbia a state, giving it full representation in Congress. That would give the Democrats two more safe Democratic senators.”

House Republicans also believe Democrats will move to change rules for considering legislation to make it harder for the minority party to influence bills.

Given human nature, Democrats can be counted on to overreach, Keene predicts.

“In 1994, some reporter asked Newt Gingrich whether he thought the Democrats were more corrupt than Republicans,” Keene recalls. “He said no, but they’re human beings, and they’ve been in power, and power corrupts. And he said the same thing could happen to Republicans, which it did more recently. You remove them and you start over. And you go back to basics and you retrieve your brand, put it together, and you come back. That’s happened before; it’ll happen again.”

Moreover, Keene says, “Winners always misread the reason for their victory. Winners always assume that voters voted for them for the reasons they wanted them to vote for them. They always assume that the voters were saying: Do what you want to do.”

While Obama may be too smart to fall into that trap, “The people around him and the pressure groups that exist as part of the Democratic base are going to say, okay, they’ve rejected free markets, they want capital gains taxed more, they want to go after the rich, they want us to — as Barney Frank says — cut the defense budget by 25 percent. Well,” Keene says, “if they voted for those things, they did so without knowing that that’s what they were voting for.”

In part because of that tendency to misinterpret the reasons for their victory, politicians tend to overreach, Keene says.

“Clinton overreached, Gingrich overreached,” he says. “And it’s one of the reasons why the pendulum starts to swing pretty quickly. Then if they’re there long enough, the kinds of things that happened to the Republicans and the Democrats for being in too long take hold. They become part of the problem rather than part of the solution.”

The other reason the pendulum swings back quickly is that each party promises that they’re “going to solve all your problems.” Yet, a few years later, people say, “God, I elected him, but I’ve still got all these problems.” Indeed, Keene was on National Public Radio when a caller said to him, “I feel now that we can cure cancer, because Obama won.”

Another problem for Obama is that he and his people really believe that they’ve transformed the political landscape.

“In fact, if you looked at exit polls and things, Obama ran, not as the socialist he may be and that McCain tried to describe him as, but as somebody that was opposed to national health insurance and ran saturation ads saying that he is the candidate most likely to cut your taxes,” Keane says. “And being a typical liberal, he doesn’t like the war we’re in. He wants a different war in Afghanistan or Pakistan, which he won’t like once he gets into it.”

Rather than transforming the political landscape, Obama actually won yet another close election. Until the plunge in the market, John McCain was ahead in the polls.

“So you’re a voter out there who just lost a third of your pension fund and a quarter of your house value,” Keene says. “It’ll all come back, but that is not the formula for a successful election. Yet they believed their own hype, and so do a lot of the Republicans, that there was going to be this huge turnout of new people that was going to swamp the Republicans.”

In fact, Keene says, “Young people didn’t turn out in any great numbers. The absolute vote was up from last time on both sides, but it’s not the highest turnout. You know they were saying it was the highest turnout since 1908, well it wasn’t true. Black turnout was higher, but only by a little bit.”

Keene believes Obama’s selection of Rahm Emanuel as chief of staff is a sign that Obama will govern from the left. As outlined in the Nov. 7 Newsmax article Rahm Emanuel Is the Real Pit Bull, the selection conflicts with Obama’s claim in his election night speech that he wants to put aside the “partisanship and pettiness and immaturity that has poisoned our politics for so long.”

“If you’re a unifier and a bridge builder, you don’t hire Rahm Emanuel to build your bridge,” Keene says. ”He after all is the guy who said Republicans can f--- themselves. And that’s in his kinder moments.”

Ronald Kessler is chief Washington correspondent of Newsmax.com.

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Novak said. “If they’d been around as long as I have, they’d realize that it isn’t heaven, and they don’t have a permanent invitation to stay anyway.”

As members of the party of death and communism, they'll have a permanent invitation to stay for an eternity in hell.

1 posted on 11/11/2008 3:49:38 AM PST by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen
In fact, Keene tells Newsmax, Obama did not win for the reasons he thinks he did, ...

Obama knows perfectly well why he won. Cheating, lying, taking illegal contributions, silencing all questions...but I guess he really can't talk about that. And not to fear, there will be a lot more of it for the next 4 years.

2 posted on 11/11/2008 3:53:06 AM PST by livius
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To: IbJensen

I believe much of this is very true.

There are high expectations for Obama. Ones he cannot possibly meet. When he lets them all down AND they see his true agenda the pendullum will swing back to the right due to the disillusioned voters.

Obama really has no idea what he is in for since he has absolutely no experience and governing anything! He is going to have some major mis-steps. You just wait and see.

He will over reach because he believes the voters gave him a mandate to do as he pleased.

We’ll see how that works out for him...and unfortunately for us innocent bystanders.


3 posted on 11/11/2008 4:01:42 AM PST by SoldiersSister (SoldiersSister)
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To: SoldiersSister
There are high expectations for Obama.

It's difficult to see why due to the fact that this disreputable individual is totally devoid of content.

Our enemies have high hopes as do all the weasely domestic socialist numbskulls.

He is indeed stupid enough to think that he has been elevated to a throne.

What a dismal future for America when the spokesmen for freedom are people like Gingrich, McCain, etc.

4 posted on 11/11/2008 4:06:48 AM PST by IbJensen (Obombazombies have given America to the Communists!)
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To: SoldiersSister
Obama really has no idea what he is in for...

You can see fear in his face in many of the photos taken since the election, particularly the ones taken as he exited his first top secret briefing. His face and body language show a man who bit off way more than he can chew.....

5 posted on 11/11/2008 4:07:02 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Silence is not always a Sign of Wisdom, but Babbling is ever a Mark of Folly. - B. Franklin)
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To: livius
In Truth, over-reaching will begin with the UN fairness doctrine, based on Chucky Cheese Schumer's remarks comparing Talk Radio to Porn :

Chucky’s view of Talk Radio – Click Images (Hit browser back button to return):





My View of Chucky – Click Image


6 posted on 11/11/2008 4:10:48 AM PST by BigEdLB (Let's get serious - there is only one choice - McCain/Palin 2008)
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To: IbJensen

The problem now though, Mr. Keene, is that the demographics seem perpetually against conservatives. You should know that. It is not like 1977, as the Carterites were slowly exposed. It still took four years for the American people “to see”.


7 posted on 11/11/2008 4:11:36 AM PST by Theodore R. (The most frightening words in the English language: The American people!)
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To: Thermalseeker

He has definitely had a, “Oh crap! What did I do look.” Plus, what happened to this “eloquent speaker” everyone has talked about. He gave my children a day of giggles over one of his speeches they came across while flipping channels.


8 posted on 11/11/2008 4:11:55 AM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: livius
I'm suspecting that Obama won because the conservative voters didn't turn out for McCain. The vote tally isn't that much higher than four years ago. The Republican GOTV should have been able to equal the crazies in my opinion. That means to me that McCain lost the election by his erratic behavior during the credit crisis and the voters lost whatever enthusiasm for him they had at that point.
9 posted on 11/11/2008 4:13:17 AM PST by Thebaddog (WTF just happened to us?)
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To: IbJensen
Obama Will Overreach

The nickname "Stumpy O'Carter" comes to mind.

10 posted on 11/11/2008 4:15:45 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: HungarianGypsy

Can anyone post a couple of those pictures?


11 posted on 11/11/2008 4:25:26 AM PST by Lynne
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To: IbJensen
My thinking on this is as follows: Zero will upon taking office give a tax break to middle and lower class taxpayers while at the same time not raising the tax on upper income individuals, thus further increasing the debt. I'm sure even his rat advisers are telling him that raising taxes in this economic environment is a recipe for disaster. That being said, he'll go to work on issues that won't require large amounts of government expenditures to solidify his base as in the “fairness doctrine”, open ballot union elections, wacko environmental decrees, and the abolishment of “Don't Ask, Don't Tell” for gays in the military. He let's the Bush tax cuts expire in 2010 thereby effectively raising taxes on the roughly 60% of the population who still pay them. If that's not enough, which it won't be, at that point he'll go down the income scale until he taxes enough people to enact his agenda. This will take place shortly after the next round of Congressional elections in 2010.
12 posted on 11/11/2008 4:26:04 AM PST by RU88 (The false messiah can not change water into wine any more than he can get unity from diversity.)
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To: IbJensen

“While Obama may be too smart to fall into that trap,”

I keep seeing this sentiment. I haven’t seen any indication that it’s true. A bowlingball could have run for president in Obozo’s circumstances. For that matter a bowlingball could have been editor of the Harvard Review in his stead. Obama is intelligent but I believe he will prove in the next 18 mos, to the people who are too stupid to know it already, that he isn’t very smart.


13 posted on 11/11/2008 4:26:29 AM PST by TalBlack
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To: IbJensen
I do know this:

My girlfriend voted for him, not because of what he stands for, but as a vote against the GOP and conservatives. She didn't take the time to research, or even believe, the facts about this man. She just hated Bush and she always votes democrat. I know that in a couple of years she'll be singing a different tune when the dems take our 401K's, and she loses her job because her small business boss can't afford her because of all the capital gains taxes. It's a tough time in my household right now, but I know one day she'll come to her senses, and I hope the other obamunists in the country do the same.

14 posted on 11/11/2008 4:28:56 AM PST by Jackknife ( "The Bureau of Alcohol,Tobacco, and Firearms should be a department store, not a gov't agency.")
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To: BigEdLB
Meanwhile, it has always been the Dims that support “Piss Christ” the picture of the Virgin Mary with elephant dung on her, and Larry Flynt. You know, because those perverts who produce that porn are part of the Dim base.

Shmucky Schumer, one of the most disgusting liars the scumbag leftists of NY ever produced.

Schumer is porn and ought to be censored.

15 posted on 11/11/2008 4:31:14 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are useful idiots. They are the pawns of Leftists.)
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To: IbJensen

I would love to know what percent of 0’s 52% voted for him just because they were fed up with Bush. In my opinion that’s not a group that can be expected to be too tolerant of extremes and will quickly abandon him once his true agenda sees the light of day. This man won because he was in the right place at the right time. Paraphrasing Bill Whittle in NRO, it took an unpopular war, an unpopular president, a feeble economy, a collapsing housing market, unprecedented amounts of private funds, and billions of dollars in free advertising courtesy of our “Fair and Objective” media to garner him a whopping 52%. Any other time in our past or any time in the future this man gets no more than 40%.


16 posted on 11/11/2008 4:32:14 AM PST by wally-balls
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To: TalBlack
Obama is intelligent

Any damned fool can face a crowd or a camera and appear to the clueless audience that he possesses superior intelligence.

Just consider Dan Rather for an example.

17 posted on 11/11/2008 4:33:24 AM PST by IbJensen (Obombazombies have given America to the Communists!)
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To: Thermalseeker
You can see fear in his face in many of the photos taken since the election, particularly the ones taken as he exited his first top secret briefing. His face and body language show a man who bit off way more than he can chew...

I don't doubt that, since he is at bottom a man of no physical OR moral courage. He is merely the cover that got the American public to buy the book, and all he has to do is maintain a facade... and those who have engineered his presidency will see to it that the facade is maintained no matter what the cost.

Chris Matthews has personally promised as much.

Mr. niteowl77

18 posted on 11/11/2008 4:35:14 AM PST by niteowl77 (The niteowl77s: parents who support those who support their soldier.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
Shmucky Schumer, one of the most disgusting liars the scumbag leftists of NY ever produced.

I didn't think he was even that good...
19 posted on 11/11/2008 4:40:13 AM PST by BigEdLB (Six months from now there will be 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: RU88
“My thinking on this is as follows:”

Your analysis suffers by being too intelligent and thoughtful. You are making the classic mistake of not seeing the blindness of the subject(s) and you project reason where the isn't or won't be any.

I used that same phrase (over reach)after Obozo’s win for the same reason it is used in the story. Obama and his flying monkey democrats have been champing and snarling at the bit in frustration for 8 looooong years. They may, at some deep level understand the need for caution but even if they do, the sheer glee at being able now to slam through damn near anything they want (they think)is going to take over. These people are going to take off like children let loose in candy land.

I don't have the slightest doubt that they will, moronically, provoke a constitutional crises inside of two years.

20 posted on 11/11/2008 4:44:18 AM PST by TalBlack
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To: wally-balls
I would love to know what percent of 0’s 52% voted for him just because they were fed up with Bush.

I would suspect it enough to swing back the other way in a heart beat. Tax raising requests pretty much all failed at the local level in our state that went heavily for Obama.

21 posted on 11/11/2008 4:54:03 AM PST by EVO X
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To: Jackknife

She just hated Bush and she always votes democrat.

Sir, you have my condolences.


22 posted on 11/11/2008 5:05:20 AM PST by rj45mis
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To: SoldiersSister
When he lets them all down AND they see his true agenda the pendullum will swing back to the right due to the disillusioned voters.

I have the same feeling. Buyers' remorse will be hitting the voters soon.

23 posted on 11/11/2008 5:10:01 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The USA is now under Marxist siege.)
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To: RU88
This will take place shortly after the next round of Congressional elections in 2010.

By 2010 America will have experienced 2 years of The Ones inexperience and concluded O-less will be better than Clueless. This clown is going to be the earliest lame duck president in history.

24 posted on 11/11/2008 5:11:06 AM PST by hflynn ( The One is really The Number Two)
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To: TalBlack
Obama is intelligent but I believe he will prove in the next 18 mos, to the people who are too stupid to know it already, that he isn’t very smart.

I agree. As a poll watcher in South Florida I saw the most bizarre things. People who had not voted since 1960 showed up, 18 year old kids in greater numbers than you can imagine, scads of dirty grungy people...in other words people who would never be motivated to stand in line for anything but "the one".

If you take away the American Idol aspect of the whole thing since you did actually have to show up to vote, you can only conclude that these unlikely voters must have expected a payoff for their effort. Do they expect a full tank of gas, a free college education, or do they actually expect that raising a rich person's taxes will in some way directly benefit them? I have no idea what the true answer is. But I think these unlikely voters will soon find out that they have put into office a very unqualified man and not the magician that they expected.

25 posted on 11/11/2008 5:13:29 AM PST by lovesdogs (Take heart...we are a resilient nation. Just ask Jimmy Carter.)
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To: IbJensen

Obama’s about to find out he wrote a big check with insufficient funds in his account.


26 posted on 11/11/2008 5:14:05 AM PST by Locomotive Breath
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To: IbJensen
When I think of Obama, I think of Edward VIII.
Once George V spoke to Queen Mary about their son, “When I'm gone, the boy will ruin himself in six months.”
The old king was right.
Obama will ruin himself in six months. My sorrow is that the country will suffer so much on account of Barack Obama.
27 posted on 11/11/2008 5:21:10 AM PST by quadrant (1o)
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To: IbJensen
Good article. Obama will definitely overreach. The only way democrats get elected is by making promises to give things to special interest groups. I just read an article saying that the groups for whom "fixing healthcare" is the main issue will be expecting payout quickly after BO takes office. They are already putting pressure on the yet-to-be-in-power administration to act asap. Imagine how many special interest groups they will have to pay back. And what will happen when inevitably, these special interest groups have agendas that conflict?

The dude's head will be spinning at warp speed in no time. We need to hunker down with lots of popcorn to watch the O Show. It's going to be an interesting 4 years.

28 posted on 11/11/2008 5:32:57 AM PST by floozy22 (Somewhere in Illinois a village is missing a terrorist)
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To: Locomotive Breath

“Obama’s about to find out he wrote a big check with insufficient funds in his account.”

The most concise and accurate statement on this thread.


29 posted on 11/11/2008 5:45:33 AM PST by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: IbJensen

There is no doub they will overreach and alienate most of America. Here’s a little essay I wrote and sent to a few friends last week.

There are several theories of history. The one I ascribe to is that history repeats itself about every twenty years and man learns nothing in the process.

The 89th Congress under Lyndon Johnson had a very solid Democrat majority both of Senators and Representatives. Johnson introduced his Great Society welfare economy and while he won election in 1966, he lost 48 House 4 Senate seats, derailing many of his plans. He reached too far and lost.

28 years later...

Bill Clinton took the reins in 1992 with a significant Democrat majority in both House and Senate. He overreached and in 1994 got spanked, losing 9 Senate and 54 House seats along with control of both the House and the Senate.

14 years later...

Barack Obama won the White House in a vote that was closer in popular vote than expected. The House and Senate will be in solid Democrat control...But, because history repeats itself about every twenty year and man learns nothing in the process, they will overreach and alienate the American people and they will lose.

Our next Congressional election cycle starts January 21, 2009. We should be done sucking our thumbs in the fetal position by then, so let’s get to work.

Another moment of our history…

During the Battle of the Bulge in World War II, American forces were in Bastogne, France, surrounded by enemy forces. At that point, General Creighton Abrams was heard to exclaim “They’ve got us surrounded again...the poor bastards.”

Let that be our rallying cry as we lick our wounds and remember that God is in control and by the grace of God, we are Americans.


30 posted on 11/11/2008 5:46:04 AM PST by cyclotic (Is Michelle Obama really Rita X?)
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To: IbJensen
he other reason the pendulum swings back quickly is that each party promises that they’re “going to solve all your problems.” Yet, a few years later, people say, “God, I elected him, but I’ve still got all these problems.”

Yeah well FDR got re-elected in 36 while the Depression was in full bloom


31 posted on 11/11/2008 5:51:54 AM PST by uncbob
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To: hflynn
I'm hoping you're right but something in my gut tells me otherwise. I may be giving Zero too much credit and I know he's a raving leftist but from a political standpoint I don't believe he's stupid. He'll do what every politician does once elected, try to consolidate his power in the hopes of being reelected. By starting off with these tax cuts, or handouts for the people who pay no income tax, he fulfills his biggest campaign promise even though it's nothing more than a cruel hoax once the Bush tax cuts expire. Then he throws down the gauntlet with tax increases with a class warfare argument once there's not enough revenue flowing to enact his grand plans.
32 posted on 11/11/2008 5:52:36 AM PST by RU88 (The false messiah can not change water into wine any more than he can get unity from diversity.)
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To: SoldiersSister
Obama really has no idea what he is in for

Either do the dumb asses who voted for him
33 posted on 11/11/2008 5:54:12 AM PST by uncbob
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To: TalBlack
Obama and his flying monkey democrats have been champing and snarling at the bit in frustration for 8 looooong years. They may, at some deep level understand the need for caution but even if they do, the sheer glee at being able now to slam through damn near anything they want (they think)is going to take over. These people are going to take off like children let loose in candy land.

His biggest problem will be the left wing loonies when they DON'T get what they want
34 posted on 11/11/2008 5:58:16 AM PST by uncbob
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To: Jackknife
I do know this: My girlfriend voted for him, not because of what he stands for, but as a vote against the GOP and conservatives. She didn't take the time to research, or even believe, the facts about this man. She just hated Bush..

This is exactly the reason my husband and I get when we ask why they voted Obama, These are reasonably intelligent people as well. The always say "I hate Bush! so I will go the other way this time. He can't do any worse!" This makes my blood boil. They either do no research or listen to the MSM and the lies they tell. I have had a hard time even looking at friends this past week that have voted for Obama. They have no idea what danger they put their country in. The thing is we can say "I told you so" but we will have to suffer for their stupidity! Grrrr!

35 posted on 11/11/2008 6:01:01 AM PST by SoldiersSister (SoldiersSister)
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To: Thermalseeker
“You can see fear in his face ... particularly ... since ... he exited his first top secret briefing.”

Charles Krauthammer mentioned last night at the Fox News “all-stars” roundtable that everyone he knows who hears one of these national-security briefings for the first time leaves with their hair standing on end. We live in a very dangerous world.

36 posted on 11/11/2008 7:40:41 AM PST by riverdawg
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To: IbJensen
While Obama’s hubris will causes him to make these over reaches they will not be without consequences. Implementing the Fairness Doctrine will be strongly opposed by talk radio and in the courts and the strength of the opposition may cause more moderate Democrats to rethink walking the plank with Obama. The end to secret voting in union elections will also be opposed from some surprising sources...uber liberal George McGovern is vehemently opposed. Obama’s lurch to the left will not come without great cost in his own party.
37 posted on 11/11/2008 7:41:10 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: The Great RJ

Excellent observation.


38 posted on 11/11/2008 8:44:29 AM PST by IbJensen (Obombazombies have given America to the Communists!)
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To: Thermalseeker
You can see fear in his face in many of the photos taken since the election, particularly the ones taken as he exited his first top secret briefing. His face and body language show a man who bit off way more than he can chew.....

He knows he can no longer vote "present" but that he'll have to make what are called "decisions."

I emphatically agree with your assessment, that he Knows He Is In Over His Head.

39 posted on 11/11/2008 11:57:06 AM PST by happygrl (BORG: Barack 0bama Resistance Group: we will not be assimilated)
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To: Jackknife
She just hated Bush and she always votes democrat

Why is she still your girl friend ?

Friends don't let friends hang with the seriously disturbed

That's what BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome) is: a serious mental disturbance.

I'm not being flippant.

40 posted on 11/11/2008 12:01:47 PM PST by happygrl (BORG: Barack 0bama Resistance Group: we will not be assimilated)
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To: Jackknife
Time to re-evaluate
41 posted on 11/11/2008 12:07:06 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, and Thuggery)
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To: IbJensen

Been waiting since 1964 to see a Barry in the White House.


42 posted on 11/11/2008 12:09:24 PM PST by RightWhale (Exxon Suxx)
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To: Lynne



He looks pretty dazed and confused in both of these pics. Bottom pic is from press conference last week. Don't know when the top one was taken, but he just looks dazed in that one.
43 posted on 11/11/2008 12:23:39 PM PST by erkyl (The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in a period of moral crisis, stay neutral)
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To: happygrl
Why is she still your girl friend ?

After 12 years together, politics is the last thing I would split up over. Mutual love, and many other things in common keep us happy and together. We have learned to keep the politics out of the living room. She is a smart, beautiful woman.

44 posted on 11/11/2008 3:53:37 PM PST by Jackknife ( "The Bureau of Alcohol,Tobacco, and Firearms should be a department store, not a gov't agency.")
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To: MrB
Time to re-evaluate

Thanks, but see my reply #44.

45 posted on 11/11/2008 3:55:19 PM PST by Jackknife ( "The Bureau of Alcohol,Tobacco, and Firearms should be a department store, not a gov't agency.")
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To: Jackknife

Just a silly aside, but I was listening to some guy on the radio give advice about dating.

He said “Never bring up politics or religion on the first few dates.”

I thought, now there a democrat for you. Why do you want to go out in the first place with someone you couldn’t share the deepest part of your soul with? I can think of one reason, and that you can pay for.


46 posted on 11/11/2008 6:11:59 PM PST by I still care (A Republic - if you can keep it. - Ben Franklin)
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To: I still care
Politics is not the 'deepest part of my soul'......

Sheesh

47 posted on 11/12/2008 10:32:38 AM PST by Jackknife ( "The Bureau of Alcohol,Tobacco, and Firearms should be a department store, not a gov't agency.")
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To: IbJensen
It does not matter what Obama thinks or knows. Pelosi, Reid, Moveon.org have clout and will use it on the domestic issues. In foreign affairs, Russia, China, North Korea, Iran and a host of others are going to test him severely. As for security, terrorist will not miss their opportunity to try to push him around.

Since he has feet of clay and the heart of Oprah, he will fail miserably trying to contain any one of these tests let alone all of them.

48 posted on 11/12/2008 10:48:59 AM PST by CharacterCounts (Wanted: Snappy, erudite tag line.)
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To: Jackknife

Well, maybe that is why you are with a Democrat.

I have friends who are politically unaware, but I find it hard to get along with Democrats. It’s not the politics itself. But politics is based in principles, and fundamental beliefs about the way the world works.

It’s like not sharing basic morality or principles with your partner. I couldn’t do it.


49 posted on 11/12/2008 12:10:51 PM PST by I still care (A Republic - if you can keep it. - Ben Franklin)
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To: I still care

To each his own. I am able to enjoy life without politics being the focal point of everything. I would dare say I have more of my core friends that are liberal than are conservative, except at church. I am one of 5 conservatives out of about 40 employees at work, and I play in a band with guys that are on both sides of the aisle. It can be aggravating at times, but we are all humans.


50 posted on 11/12/2008 4:06:10 PM PST by Jackknife ( "The Bureau of Alcohol,Tobacco, and Firearms should be a department store, not a gov't agency.")
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