Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Bush Spy Revelations Anticipated When Obama Is Sworn In (Obama planning to put US at risk)
abc ^ | 11/11/2008 | RYAN SINGEL

Posted on 11/11/2008 3:56:04 AM PST by tobyhill

When Barack Obama takes the oath of office on January 20, Americans won't just get a new president; they might finally learn the full extent of George W. Bush's warrantless domestic wiretapping.

Since The New York Times first revealed in 2005 that the NSA was eavesdropping on citizens' overseas phone calls and e-mail, few additional details about the massive "Terrorist Surveillance Program" have emerged. That's because the Bush administration has stonewalled, misled and denied documents to Congress, and subpoenaed the phone records of the investigative reporters.

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: democrat; democrats; enemies; enemy; globaljihad; gwot; jihad; looselips; newyorktimes; nsa; nyt; seymourhersh; terrorism; terrorists; treason; tsp; whatstreason; wot

1 posted on 11/11/2008 3:56:04 AM PST by tobyhill
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: tobyhill

“I’d bet there are a lot of career employees in the intelligence agencies who’ll be glad to see Obama take the oath so they can finally speak out against all this illegal spying and get back to their real mission,” says Caroline Fredrickson, the ACLU’s Washington D.C. legislative director.”

Oooorrrrr, they can say “Wow, can you believe all the horrible things and plans we are overhearing! This is truly frightening!”


2 posted on 11/11/2008 3:59:28 AM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: tobyhill

Can’t be any worse than the “Joe The Plumber” warrantless investigations undertaken by civilian authorities. How about other dissenters?


3 posted on 11/11/2008 4:02:06 AM PST by SueRae
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: tobyhill

Warrantless? That’s because no warrant is required to listen to foreign phone calls. ABC can conflate the word ‘domestic’ all it wants, it doesn’t apply here.


4 posted on 11/11/2008 4:02:17 AM PST by agere_contra (So ... where's the birth certificate?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: autumnraine
Oooorrrrr, they can say “Wow, can you believe all the horrible things and plans we are overhearing! This is truly frightening!”

I saw several photos of Obammy right after he got his first top secret briefing. He looked stunned and scared to me. His face told the whole story. Reality done whopped him upside the head but good......

5 posted on 11/11/2008 4:03:12 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Silence is not always a Sign of Wisdom, but Babbling is ever a Mark of Folly. - B. Franklin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: tobyhill

Boy, oh boy, I sure *hate* the way Bush went after those terrorists on our soil. What audacity! The violating of their civil rights is beyond forgiveness. /heavy sarcasm

Well, we shall see the extent of the hypnosis and brainwashing of our fellow citizens if this line of thinking is not challenged, especially by the Republican party in a unified voice.


6 posted on 11/11/2008 4:03:52 AM PST by Bluebird Singing
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: autumnraine
Oooorrrrr, they can say “Wow, can you believe all the horrible things and plans we are overhearing! This is truly frightening!”

In a sane world with a sane media that's exactly what would happen. However, I am not holding my breath with our liberal MSM out to slaughter Bush and any chance he has at a Presidential legacy!

7 posted on 11/11/2008 4:05:05 AM PST by SoldiersSister (SoldiersSister)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: tobyhill

ABC/Newsweak is going the way of “MSLSD”.


8 posted on 11/11/2008 4:12:17 AM PST by oiler (Reagan Republicans Unite!!!!! It's the Freedom, stupid. Palin/Jindal 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: tobyhill

The Press is still short strokin it over the wire tap program, but how come they not concerned about Obama’s proposed “Domestic Army” which by it’s definition will be used on American soil against People living with in the borders of the USA?


9 posted on 11/11/2008 4:13:43 AM PST by Falcon4.0
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SueRae
“Can’t be any worse than the “Joe The Plumber” warrant less investigations undertaken by civilian authorities. How about other dissenters?”

Bingo! We have a winner! By the time Zero is done he'll make Bush look like a choir boy. The “Patriot Act” will be used by his administration in unimaginable ways in the guise of protecting the homeland. And you know what you're going to hear from the ACLU? Crickets...

10 posted on 11/11/2008 4:14:44 AM PST by RU88 (The false messiah can not change water into wine any more than he can get unity from diversity.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: tobyhill

“I’d bet there are a lot of career employees in the intelligence agencies who’ll be glad to see Obama take the oath so they can finally speak out against all this illegal spying and get back to their real mission,” says Caroline Fredrickson, the ACLU’s Washington D.C. legislative director.”

Career demonRATs, whose real mission is destroying republicans. Seriously, is the NY Slimes registered as an agent of a foreign government? On the other hand, I’d be careful what I wished for, because someone might reveal exactly who the terrorists are communicating with in the US.


11 posted on 11/11/2008 4:15:04 AM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 7)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SueRae

The woman who apparently took it on herself both to look into Joe’s records and then make them public has been suspended from her job, according to something I heard on TV last night.

If it’s true, that’s a good thing.


12 posted on 11/11/2008 4:16:08 AM PST by Marauder (I never thought America would elect a socialist president.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: tobyhill

The source being ABC - the weakness of out country to allow the media to produce suck trash - if the United Sates falls into chaos and their is a “1776” style Revolution - the press should be charged with treason - I see them no better than those that sided with the Red Coats in Boston.

They misinform, aid the enemy in propaganda, and most recently aided the election of a socialist to office.

The are 50 % of the problem and use Freedom of Speech to bring disillusions of grandeur to the surface for the masses to drown themselves in!


13 posted on 11/11/2008 4:16:14 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: tobyhill

I wouldn’t be surprised if 0bama does nothing, says nothing.

After all, it would be an excellent method for 0bama to spy on AMERICANS that disagree with him.

It’s pretty obvious to me that, even if you distrust Bush, his lack of willingness to fight back against his detractors point to a man who wouldn’t use the eavesdropping ability he has at his disposal to spy on those who disagree with him.


14 posted on 11/11/2008 4:16:27 AM PST by papasmurf (Impeach the illegal bastard!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BCW

excuse my typos above - I’m on my 5th cup of coffee and this article just went right through me...


15 posted on 11/11/2008 4:18:08 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: tobyhill

So some tart of a CIA desk jockey is outed by who knows who and all hell breaks loose. But these idiots are salivating at the prospect of exposing intelligence gathering secrets?

Wow, if true, Obama and America will find out just how important this was to our security. Terrorists aren’t going to bother with the Conservative areas of Podunk, USA where I live though, it will be the large cities that celebrated in the streets on Nov. 4.

9-11-01, has been forgotten and we are back to “It’s the economy, Stupid” again. I remember those times where the leadership promised to bring those responsible to justice. Attack after attack, and still the same old line. War is declared upon us and instead of preparing for war, Bubba, treats each and every one as a criminal justice issue. Obama is going to be much worse for this country than even many of us imagined.

There is no doubt that he hasn’t a clue as to what to do as President and will depend on the recycled Clinton Adm to get him through. No need for this to be any different as he has rode the coattails of others his entire life.


16 posted on 11/11/2008 4:19:10 AM PST by WildcatClan (If we are the one's we have been waiting for, we must be incredibly stupid.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Marauder

From what I understood, she was only one of several that pulled his records...she’s the only one that’s been identified and held accountable.


17 posted on 11/11/2008 4:19:36 AM PST by SueRae
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Bluebird Singing
The violating of their civil rights is beyond forgiveness.

I talked to a lawyer the other day who is still incensed over the Patriot Act, calling it the worst thing they could have done. I asked him whether Lincoln's suspension of Habeus Corpus during the Civil War was on a par with that, and had he noticed that since the Civil War was over that it had been reinstated.

He had no answer; typical dimlib, can't see past the end of his nose.

18 posted on 11/11/2008 4:20:15 AM PST by Marauder (I never thought America would elect a socialist president.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: tobyhill
New Yorker investigative reporter Seymour Hersh already has a slew of sources waiting to spill the Bush administration's darkest secrets

Seymour did it ever occur to you to investigate Obama ?  Or Rev.Wright  , Ayers, Obamas birthplace  ... Guess not...As#hat

19 posted on 11/11/2008 4:21:02 AM PST by grjr21
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: tobyhill

Can anyone say Eschalon and Bill the BoyClinton?


20 posted on 11/11/2008 4:21:39 AM PST by PORD (People...Of Right Do)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: tobyhill

Obots and Headbangers are about to be disappointed. Nothing is going to be revealed and nothing is going to be changed.

I expect Homeland Security to go on steroids under Zero.

Zero will probably throw the Obots a bone, a name here and there who was exposed, but change it, no.


21 posted on 11/11/2008 4:24:50 AM PST by OpusatFR (Neither Republican or Democrat. Monarchist with allegience to The Only One.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: tobyhill

At least now we know why the leftists and Obama were so ‘against’ wiretapping terrorists.... so many domestic and foreign terrorists are members of their ‘constituency’, overseas supporters...indeed best friends and neighbors. (eye roll)


22 posted on 11/11/2008 4:31:51 AM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: tobyhill
My gut instinct is to read this and want to go ballistic on the NYT, treating them as the traitors they are. But, I also have to wonder if things are as they seem.
23 posted on 11/11/2008 4:37:18 AM PST by revo evom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: tobyhill

I don’t think much of it is illegal. The spying is directed at known terrorist contacting people here.
But I am done with defending Bush. He has messed everything up so badly these last 2 years, nail him for anything you can find!!


24 posted on 11/11/2008 4:43:39 AM PST by alienken (Need prayer? Join my group. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/churchofchristprayer/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Falcon4.0
The Press is still short strokin it over the wire tap program, but how come they not concerned about Obama’s proposed “Domestic Army” which by it’s definition will be used on American soil against People living with in the borders of the USA?

Because it isn't Fascism when a Demcrat does it.
25 posted on 11/11/2008 4:44:36 AM PST by tanknetter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: revo evom
You're right, this maybe just the ACLU and media dreaming about Obamaland.
26 posted on 11/11/2008 4:49:23 AM PST by tobyhill (No Honeymoon For Obama. Free Obama Bashing 24/7)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: alienken
“I don’t think much of it is illegal. The spying is directed at known terrorist contacting people here.
But I am done with defending Bush. He has messed everything up so badly these last 2 years, nail him for anything you can find!!”
Not wanting to waste breath defending Bush, but he's not been in charge of Congress the last two years. But the real point is Bush has been attacked relentlessly from traitors inside the intelligence community, and the NY times has been complicit in aiding and abetting the enemy. This is not “whistle-blowing”, it's treason, and should be prosecuted as such.
27 posted on 11/11/2008 4:59:27 AM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 7)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: tobyhill

Well we’ll soon see just how brave he really is.

If he really undoes what Bush has done to protect this country and something blows up here and Americans die he’s going to have a lot explaining to do...

Glad I don’t live in a large city...


28 posted on 11/11/2008 5:25:23 AM PST by DB
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: OpusatFR
“Obots and Headbangers are about to be disappointed. Nothing is going to be revealed and nothing is going to be changed.”

This is the most insightful thing I've read today.

Democrats were eager to trash perfectly legitimate exercises of executive power as long as they were frozen out of the executive branch. Now that they own it they will turn the page and sing a different tune. They are all about enhancing government power and making it more arbitrary. They won't even try to resist the temptation to use war as an excuse for doing what they do.

It isn't just the ACLU that's in for a rude awakening. The anti-war nuts are riding for a fall as well. Leftists surf any wave of anti-war sentiment they can find but, in power, they love the opportunity war gives them to advance the cause of statism. Wilson, Roosevelt and Johnson all exploited anti-war sentiment for electoral purposes and then became war Presidents. Obama isn't likely to be any different.

President Obama will probably be a grossly incompetent war leader, but he will embrace the role and use it to extend government control over American life as much as he possibly can.

And the silence from the anti-warriors and the civil libertarians will be deafening.

29 posted on 11/11/2008 5:32:29 AM PST by fluffdaddy (Is anyone else missing Fred Thompson about now?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: autumnraine

What is their real mission, Carolyn ? Holding a safe, warm comfortable government job ?


30 posted on 11/11/2008 6:04:55 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: tobyhill

The media should publish the names of all the innocent Americans who have been falsely accused and prosecuted of any crime due to the monitoring of their overseas communications under the authority of the “Terrorist Surveillance Program”.

But perhaps they already have.


31 posted on 11/11/2008 6:52:17 AM PST by Iron Munro (Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority it is time to pause and reflect. -- Mark Twain)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: tobyhill

So when the spies start to talk, will it endanger any agents in the field? Then the myth and hypocrisy of the PlameGame will be shattered.


32 posted on 11/11/2008 6:53:05 AM PST by weegee (Global Warming Change? Fight Global Socialist CHANGE.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Iron Munro

The dirty little secret is that the media (including a reporter at Time Magazine) is in direct communication with terrorists. They don’t want their phone lines tapped as they communicate with the enemy.


33 posted on 11/11/2008 6:54:15 AM PST by weegee (Global Warming Change? Fight Global Socialist CHANGE.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: tanknetter

I keep hearing how Obomber (his high school nickname, by the way, not a terrorist handle) is just like JFK. Does that mean he would have tapped MLK’s phone calls too?


34 posted on 11/11/2008 6:55:38 AM PST by weegee (Global Warming Change? Fight Global Socialist CHANGE.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Thermalseeker

“I saw several photos of Obammy right after he got his first top secret briefing. He looked stunned and scared to me. His face told the whole story. Reality done whopped him upside the head but good......”

I think you read that exactly right. The fairy tale is over and the empty suit just walked into the room and found out how overextended he is after that briefing.

And every bad guy in the world is rubbing their hands with glee. They have absolutely no fear of this guy. None.


35 posted on 11/11/2008 7:25:34 AM PST by romanesq
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: SueRae

I expect we’ll find out more tonight on the news.


36 posted on 11/11/2008 8:18:09 AM PST by Marauder (I never thought America would elect a socialist president.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: tobyhill
They are setting up Bush's prosecution.

Bush better pardon Cheney, then resign. Then Cheney can pardon Bush. Otherwise, he will not get a happy, quiet retirement.

37 posted on 11/11/2008 8:33:44 AM PST by Defiant (I for one welcome our new Obama Overlords.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Defiant

Let them have hearings.

It might be part of the agenda of showing what hyper-partisan nutjobs the Dhims are.


38 posted on 11/11/2008 8:36:29 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (A Jew voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: romanesq
In the next few weeks, it will interesting to see how Obama changes his rhetoric regarding national security.

I sure hope during that security briefing, they were kind enough to make clear to him that keeping the nation safe is now his responsibility. Come January 21st, there is no more, "Bush's Fault", but there will be many anxious to say, "Obama's Fault".

The left may own the press, but there are still 55 million people who are just waiting for the moment when we can say, "I told you so", and it will be a loud voice.

39 posted on 11/11/2008 8:46:56 AM PST by TravisBickle (Are you talkin' to me?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: MeanWestTexan
It's a two-edged sword. It might expose them and make them lose support for being so crazy as to pursue charges against a President. On the other hand, if they pull it off, it will help cement a one party state. Who will stand in their way after they put Bush behind bars for being a Republican?

Chavez and Putin have been doing it, and getting away with it.

40 posted on 11/11/2008 9:27:10 AM PST by Defiant (I for one welcome our new Obama Overlords.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Defiant

“They are setting up Bush’s prosecution.

Bush better pardon Cheney, then resign. Then Cheney can pardon Bush. Otherwise, he will not get a happy, quiet retirement.”

Why do you think they would honor any kind of pardon?


41 posted on 11/11/2008 10:00:24 AM PST by Western Phil ( Coming to you from Balgoyoville, deep in the heart of the Obamanation)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: Western Phil

Good point. “People’s Courts” would not be bound by rules of the old, corrupt regime. Justice requires a fresh start, lest we give respect to rules set down by slaveholding, sexist, racist, genocidal, religious, gun nuts.


42 posted on 11/11/2008 10:06:33 AM PST by Defiant (I for one welcome our new Obama Overlords.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: OpusatFR
I expect Homeland Security to go on steroids under Zero.

Yes, but their target will be Americans who disagree with The One and not terrorists. Big difference.

43 posted on 11/11/2008 10:11:31 AM PST by Cementjungle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Thermalseeker

Where are those pictures?


44 posted on 11/11/2008 11:22:56 AM PST by rickmichaels (WHATCHA GONNA DO WHEN OBAMA'S TRUTH SQUADS RUN WILD ON YOU???)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: TravisBickle

Please make sure my name is high up on the list of $55 million.

I can barely keep from emailing the fools who voted for “change” and the Obamatron.

It won’t be long either. The Rats are already discussing confiscating 401(k)s and I would love to see the reaction to the idiots who voted for “change.”

I’ll be saying, “What the problem? He’s going to leave you with spare change. What did you think he had in mind other than spare change?”


45 posted on 11/11/2008 11:49:48 AM PST by romanesq
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: TravisBickle

Please make sure my name is high up on the list of $55 million.

I can barely keep from emailing the fools who voted for “change” and the Obamatron.

It won’t be long either. The Rats are already discussing confiscating 401(k)s and I would love to see the reaction to the idiots who voted for “change.”

I’ll be saying, “What the problem? He’s going to leave you with spare change. What did you think he had in mind other than spare change?”


46 posted on 11/11/2008 11:49:48 AM PST by romanesq
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: rickmichaels
Where are those pictures?

Fox News ran a video clip of him exiting the top secret briefing meeting on Brit Hume's show. No smiles or waves at all for the cameras. Others like the Wa-Po and the Chicago Tribune also ran still photos. A quick google search will find them.

47 posted on 11/12/2008 5:07:27 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Silence is not always a Sign of Wisdom, but Babbling is ever a Mark of Folly. - B. Franklin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson