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Fundamentalism And Palin (Annie Sullivan swings his purse)
Atlantic ^ | 11/11/08 | Andrew Loafers Sullivan

Posted on 11/11/2008 1:22:04 PM PST by pissant

A reader writes:

I love to see you grapple with trying to explain this woman and her thought processes. You are Tcs2 missing something obvious though. She believes in the literal truth of the Bible. She believes it informs on matters of science, biology, evolution, physics, cosmology, etc. So if there are multiple creation versions in the Bible what do you do, make up your own reality. If there are contradictions in it, ignore them. Just like you ignore inconvenient facts about day-to-day life.

If you BELIEVE the bible is the literal inerrant word of God what do you do? Well then you ignore all contrary facts, like the earth revolving around the sun, like the age of the earth. You are seeing in Sarah Palin the fact that she has translated her biblical literalism into a way of attempting to deal with the real world and hence as you put it, her alternative universe. I think what is going on is that she has internalized the fundamentalist way of thinking to such a degree that she no longer has much of a grip on reality. She has taught herself to ignore reality in matters of faith and has transposed that way of thinking into her regular life.

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The first chapter of my book on how conservatism destroyed itself in America is called "The Fundamentalist Psyche." I don't think you can understand what happened under Bush and what Palin represents unless you grapple with the mindset that can deny empirical truth in favor of Divine Truth.

(Excerpt) Read more at andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: andrewsullivan; antichristian; antitheism; christianbashing; christophobia; culturewar; godhaters; misotheism; palin; religiousintolerance; vichyrepublican
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To: Coyoteman

“And conservative doesn’t mean anti-science, or it didn’t in the past. Yet many here are trying to make it so.”

You need to explain that statement.


21 posted on 11/11/2008 2:07:41 PM PST by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: pissant

Are you supporting Sarah Palin?


22 posted on 11/11/2008 2:10:20 PM PST by TheFourthMagi
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To: pissant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tebyjibeBg

GREAT video interview in Gov Palin’s Wasilla Alaska home.


23 posted on 11/11/2008 2:11:06 PM PST by HighlyOpinionated (The Court is very jealous of its power - even over presidents, even over presidents-elect.”)
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To: Coyoteman

Here’s what it comes down to. Do you want to take my money to teach my kids something that’s completely false? “No”, you say, “you have every right to put your kids in private schools or home school.” Okay but my money is going to those schools, shouldn’t I have some say in what happens to it, or have the right to keep my money? If you answer is no, you’re not a conservative. You’re a socialist.


24 posted on 11/11/2008 2:11:53 PM PST by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: TheFourthMagi

Supporting her for what? Against Annie Sullivan’s slurs? You betchya.


25 posted on 11/11/2008 2:12:48 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: freeandfreezing

Interesting. I had heard different from my Human Genetics teacher, that the risk was high at the beginning and end of the reproductive years. Perhaps it is the grouping of 15 to 24 (the largest grouping covering a 9 year gap) that hides the increased risk of the very young mothers.

Looking into it.


26 posted on 11/11/2008 2:17:24 PM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed.... so how could it be Redistributed?)
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To: freeandfreezing

True stats.


27 posted on 11/11/2008 2:18:17 PM PST by TheFourthMagi
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To: pissant

“what do you do, make up your own reality.” Finally someone has uncovered the essence of the liberal-left.

What remains to be seen is how these people react when the authentic reality bites BO and his BObots.


28 posted on 11/11/2008 2:20:40 PM PST by Malesherbes (Sauve Qui Peut)
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To: freeandfreezing
Even with the odds going up, the fact that most women have the most children in the middle of their reproductive years means that “most children with Down’s syndrome are born to young mothers: 51 % to mothers under 30, 72 % to women under 35.”.

http://www.whonamedit.com/synd.cfm/322.html

And although they don't provide an actual age for the “young mothers” this source gives an incident rate of 1 to 2% for “young mothers” or pretty much the same risk as a 40 year old woman.

But they also say that for mothers 20 years old or younger the incidence rate is 1/2,500.

So how young is a “young mother” that has the same risk factor for a Down birth as a 40 year old woman? How young is too young?

Still looking into it.

http://www.emedicine.com/oph/byname/Down-Syndrome.htm

For young mothers, the risk of a free trisomy is 1-2%.

29 posted on 11/11/2008 2:28:52 PM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed.... so how could it be Redistributed?)
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To: demshateGod; Coyoteman; pissant

He means that if you do not worship at the altar of evolutionary belief like he does, then you are anti-science.


30 posted on 11/11/2008 2:33:29 PM PST by valkyry1 (McCain/Palin 2008)
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To: pissant

Gads this andy fellow is a brilliant guy...he can tell what people think. Will he be one of the advisors to obama, come January? He can walk among the reporters assigned to the whitehouse, read their minds then tell obama before a news conference. Billiant, I say, brilliant fellow. s/


31 posted on 11/11/2008 2:37:36 PM PST by tillacum (Let's find conservative veterans who really know how to fight for this country, next time.)
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To: pissant
Mediocre minds can't grasp that two concepts like faith and intellect can coexist. It's either one way or the other...it's much simpler that way for the run of the mill group thinkers.Andy sees the world through the prism of hate and Christianophobia. It's a very narrow view. Sad really.
32 posted on 11/11/2008 2:42:14 PM PST by Earthdweller (Socialism makes you feel better about oppressing people.....)
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To: demshateGod
You need to explain that statement.

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- For some, the basic principles of creation and evolution are like oil and water -- they just don't mix.

But recent popes often have spoken out, assuring Catholics that while faith and science do operate within different scopes of study they can and must form a complementary and harmonious partnership.

Presenting creation and evolution as if they were mutually exclusive is absurd, Pope Benedict XVI once said.

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While the modern-day theory of evolution is not infallible and will continue to be revised by the world's scientists, Father Maldame wrote, it is theologically groundless to oppose evolutionary theory out of the fear of erasing God from the picture and meaning from one's life.

Source


33 posted on 11/11/2008 2:54:15 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

I don’t care what the pope says.


34 posted on 11/11/2008 3:13:29 PM PST by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: pissant

35 posted on 11/11/2008 3:24:39 PM PST by Bratch
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To: demshateGod
I don’t care what the pope says.

Religious Body Number of Adherents
Catholic Church 1,100,000,000
Sunni Islam 1,000,000,000
Eastern Orthodox Church 225,000,000
Jinja Honcho 83,000,000
Anglican Communion 77,000,000
Assemblies of God 50,000,000
Ethiopian Orthodox Church 35,000,000
Evangelische Kirche in Deutschland (EKD) 27,400,000
Iglesia ni Cristo (based in the Philippines) 27,000,000
Sikhism 23,000,000
Juche (North Korea) 19,000,000
Seventh-day Adventist Church 16,811,519
Jehovah's Witnesses 16,500,000
Southern Baptist Convention 16,000,000
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 12,275,822
United Methodist Church 11,708,887
Soka Gakkai 11,000,000
New Apostolic Church 10,260,000
Ahmadiyya 10,000,000
Veerashaivas (Lingayats) 10,000,000
Coptic Orthodox 10,000,000
Sathya Sai Baba 10,000,000

Source

36 posted on 11/11/2008 3:25:11 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: demshateGod; Coyoteman
You need to explain that statement.

No he doesn't. It's perfectly understandable.

37 posted on 11/11/2008 4:44:28 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (you don't need Big Givernment - Mistype by Oztrich Boy)
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To: demshateGod; Coyoteman
I don’t care what the pope says.

(Evolution) should be taught as an accepted principle. And, you know, I say that also as the daughter of a school teacher, a science teacher, who has really instilled in me a respect for science. It should be taught in our schools - Governor Sarah Palin (AK)

38 posted on 11/11/2008 4:55:28 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (you don't need Big Givernment - Mistype by Oztrich Boy)
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To: lonestar67
"...the f*ing fundamentalist."

Brilliant! Post of the week. I've said privately for several years now that the Democratic Party is the party of f*ing. Seriously. All of their core issues are all related to f*ing. Who you f***, how you f***, the manamgement of the unwelcome consequences of f***ing, you get the idea. Even taxes are indirectly f***ing related, because the welfare state is a result of uncontrolled f***ing, followed by dad's abandonment.

39 posted on 11/12/2008 12:39:38 AM PST by oprahstheantichrist (The MSM is a demonic stronghold, PLEASE pray accordingly. 2 Cor. 10:3-5)
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