Posted on 11/12/2008 6:35:41 AM PST by GOPToad
The national advocacy group In God We Trust today blasted the atheist American Humanist Association for its ad campaign mocking the Christmas holiday and American's who believe in God. The ad campaign asks, "Why believe in a god? Just be good for goodness sake," and will be targeted at New York and Washington commuters.
"These ads are a deliberate attack on American traditions, beliefs and customs by a United Nation's affiliated group that espouses a radical anti-American agenda and is funded by an zealot who believes that the U.S. is a backwards nation full of imbeciles," says In God We Trust Chairman Council Nedd.
(Excerpt) Read more at ingodwetrustusa.org ...
The rallying cry appears to be something like ‘...forget God, just be GOOD...’. Problem is, without God, nobody really knows what ‘good’ is.
Why be good if there is no God. I'm glad they retain their God-given conscience, but they really are incoherent fools.
No big surprise!....It won’t really work in the USA though.
Who needs God when we have Obama in the White House and the UN to take care of us?
Muslims God is Allah - Where are the anti-Allah signs.
ping
and the ‘seige’ intesifies. God help us.......
Figures. The UN does have an agenda to destroy Christianity. At one time, And may still be “officially”, it was to establish Un gaia Mother earth worship, But (the) Key Moon Bat, The current UN leader, has said- “the sooner the western world embraces Islam, the better”.
The USA has got to stop funding that Monster, and dismantle it. It not longer serves it’s purpose, nor does it even follow it’s own constitution.
*siege* sheesh.....I think my IQ has gone down since 11-04-08 (a day which will live in infamy)
What about Hindu and Muslim Gods?
And why only in America and Western countries?
Enemies within...that is what is going on in our country!
These people are mentally ill.
It's hard to respect atheists. They plagarize their moral values from religion and then denounce religion.
“be good for goodness sake”???
perhaps their next step is to foster beleif in a little fat guy in a red suit that comes down chimney’s once a year leaving presents...?
but seriesly folks - we all know the UN knows whos been naughty or nice...
A rather empty argument at best. The guy should pick up an American history book and take a gander at what a backward intellectual culture has wrought.
I don't think an attack on Islam would sound all that good on the side of a bus.
"Why Believe in a rock? Just be a athiest thief, mass murderer, rapist and pedophile."
Well, contact any TV Channel, Newspaper outlet and radio station that runs these adds and tell them you are withdrawing your patronage - and then do it!
It’s always about the bottom line for these people and if ratings drop so does the amount of money they can charge for advertising - Get your friends and family a little bit radicalised as well and make them call or write.
It’s time to stop this sh*t! You may not have a republican President but you can still ‘Vote with your feet!’
Mel
It worked really well in Russia.
Why, he probably thinks that Americans are too dumb to remember the rule "'a' before nouns that start with a consonant; 'an' before nouns that start with a vowel"....
I think lawsuits would be better. Christian groups should sue the bastards for insulting our religious beliefs.
Even is they loose, they win. It will knock down that million dollar “gift’ they recieved from that America hating atheist, Louis Appignani
While you’re bashing yourself: “intensifies”
Spellcheck catches these kind of mistakes! LOL
oops- “wouldn’t sound all that good”
If it is an affiliate of the UN, then I would say it violates the separation of Church and State. The UN is a “State” level department. Our government appoints delegates.
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Nov 15-16 Richmond, Richmond Raceway & Fairground Showmasters
Nov 21-23 Chantilly, Dulles Expo Center C&E Gun Show and/or Showmasters
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2009
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I have wondered why this secularist-religion group did not use the temr “allah’ in their messages
“Why believe in allah (small a)? Just be good for goodness sake”
Imagine that riding around on the side of DC metro and NYC transit buses? Maybe someone imgainative will get busy with some spray paint.
“Why believe in a holy meteor? You can be an antisemite without Mohammed.”
they are putting these ads on city buses as moving billboards
most commuters have no choice about boycotting city buses
I believe this was well thought out
Isn’t it nice to know that the atheists here on FR have an ally? ;)
There’s another problem in that atheism and evolutionism almost have to travel together and evolution has been totally disproved. The big dialectic is evolution vs modern mathematics and probability theory and not evolution vs religion. To have a dialectic between evolution and religion you’d need (for an apples/apples comparison) a religion which operated on an intellectual level similar to that of evolution and the only plausible candidates would be Voodoo, Rastafari, and Santeria.
We sinners are naturally hostile to God. I'm so glad He chose to love us despite our hostility and provided a path back into fellowship with Him. Would that those who call themselves 'atheists' recognize that their hostility to God is not a disbelief in Him, but (usually) a misdirected anger toward Him over pain in their life.
We need to always remember that God owes us nothing - we ought to be in Hell right now by default. So we ought to be thankful for how good we have it on earth, instead of whining that we aren't in Heaven on some kind of divine liberal welfare program.
And the LORD told him: “Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king. 1 Samuel 8:7 NIV
U.N....go to hell!
Roman’s 3:10, 23: “...No one is good, not even one” GOD DOESN’T LIE!
I don't seem to have a problem figuring out how to keep on people's good side and stay out of trouble.
This is just a competing idea in the marketplace of ideas. Churches advertise all the time to get people from one religion to another, or to attract people who really don't have any firm religious faith. Let them spend their money any way they want to.
Humanists Launch Godless Holiday Campaign
On their association with the UN:
"As we continue to promote the cause of Humanism at the United Nations, we call for the renewed dedication of the AHA and its members, to "think globally and act locally." And to renew our efforts to inform and urge Congress to act wisely, logically and heroically to restore the United States to the world stage in a position of leadership instead of one of belligerence and diplomatic isolation." Link here
In other words, American Humanist Association lobby the UN to incorporate their ideals, they are completely independent of the United Nations.
This is the Oprah world view...all roads lead to God...
Relative moralism and no absolute truth is the way of the humanists.
You'll find that those that define right and wrong for themselves always seem to fit that definition with how they are living anyway.
I’ve talked to one of these Opraians -
Jesus really didn’t mean it when He said:
“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
I don’t seem to have a problem figuring out how to keep on people’s good side and stay out of trouble.
what about abortion?
Your problem as a religionist is figuring out precisely which of the hundreds of thousands of religions in the world has the EXACT truth. You have no more skills to do this than I do in figuring out the right thing to do.
One does not need to have religious faith to believe in the dignity of human beings, and that an unborn child fits in that category.
Well get someone at it - needs a figurehead in this case though to speak to the media - someone with respect in the community and not necessarily a religious leader. I know it’s easy to mouth of from Australia but as the USA goes so do we eventually in both good and bad things I am afraid.
Mel
Two Words - Spray paint - LOL - know any graffiti artists who could turn it into a pro-christian message?
This will probably get the Feds around! Sorry have to go there’s someone at the d................. ouch!
Mel
“I don’t seem to have a problem figuring out how to keep on people’s good side and stay out of trouble.”
Well that’s good for you - I suppose it has nothing to do with being brought up in a Judeo Christian country. I suppose you see no difference then in what you do and what a Muslim would do in another country. It’s all a bit relative to you!
“Look Ahamed there’s a pretty goat and nobody will mind as long as we don’t get on anybody’s bad side and get into trouble.”
Even though a lot of Christians tend to nitpick other people, good and evil are fairly obvious because we have been countries that reflected God’s Law - now we are changing to into countries where their is no Absolute Truth just the truth of the individual - all evil is possible from there.
Mel
Without God and his commandments, how do you even define “good”?
Relative moralism and no absolute truth is the way of the humanists.
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Atheists survive by denying reality. Their universe denies the very goodness they claim to desire.
Your problem as a religionist is figuring out precisely which of the hundreds of thousands of religions in the world has the EXACT truth. You have no more skills to do this than I do in figuring out the right thing to do.
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OOOOOOOOOH. WONDERFUL.
You assume that religions are relative to each other. (which they are) You then equate religion with reality.
We do not choose reality. We may choose to deny reality. (which you do) Your very denial establishes absolute truth as that against which you rail.
Your argument is a tautology. You cannot validate your position without reference to reason and truth, both of which you deny.
Make all the claims you like. They are meaningless by your own tenents.
Does anybody have this guy's e-mail? He needs a few dissenting messages sent his way.
One needs to be brought up in a Judeo-Christian country to be moral? I suppose that you'd consider the Koreans or the Japanese immoral, but they care more about the cars they built for me than Hophead Willie over in Detroit did in 1982.
I suppose you see no difference then in what you do and what a Muslim would do in another country.
Not all Muslims are immoral, it's just that 99% of them give the rest a bad name.
Seriously, some of them have a very benign form of Islam, I'm thinking of the folks over in Turkey that some of my friends who served on US military bases over there got to know.
Mel, the trouble with religion is you have to pick the interpretation of various sets of old books (that were verbal traditions long before they were written) that tells you what you can eat, what you can drink, and how you can entertain yourself. There's no "absolute" guide to figuring out which one of them is "right", or else everybody in the Judeo-Christian nations would be in the same sect.
Even the term "Judeo-Christian" is shorthand for "a temporary alliance we're willing to make until we have vanquished our enemies". If Jews and Christians didn't have atheists, agnostics, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. to oppose, they'd be at each other's throats. Oh, wait, that's happened several million times over just the last century.
The same skill set you and everybody else used to pick and stick with a religion, I use in figuring out how to be a moral individual. I just do a bit more of my own thinking rather than substituting a voice from a pulpit.
One does not need to have religious faith to believe in the dignity of human beings, and that an unborn child fits in that category.
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Actually it is impossible to believe in the dignity of anything if you reject the concept of dignity. By denying absolute truth there is no ground for holding one opinion above another. Dignity, then, for a moral relativist, has no more value than indignity.
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